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Token
02-07-2022, 02:55 PM
Interdisciplinary analyses of Bronze Age communities from Western Hungary reveal complex population histories
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.03.478968v1

Abstract
In this study we report 20 ancient shotgun genomes from present-day Western Hungary (3530 - 1620 cal BCE), mainly from previously understudied Baden, Somogyvar-Vinkovci, Kisapostag, and Encrusted Pottery archaeological cultures. Besides analysing archaeological, anthropological and genetic data, 14C and strontium isotope measurements complemented reconstructing the dynamics of the communities discovered at the site Balatonkeresztur. Our results indicate the appearance of an outstandingly high Mesolithic hunter-gatherer ancestry in the largest proportion (up to ~46%) among Kisapostag associated individuals, despite this component being thought to be highly diluted by the Early Bronze Age. We show that hunter-gatherer ancestry was likely derived from a previously unrecognised source in Eastern Europe that contributed mostly to prehistoric populations in Central Europe and the Baltic region. We revealed a patrilocal residence system and local female exogamy for this Kisapostag population that was also the genetic basis of the succeeding community of the Encrusted Pottery culture, represented by a mass grave that likely resulted from an epidemic. We also created a bioinformatic pipeline dedicated for archaeogenetic data processing. By developing and applying analytical methods for analysing genetic variants we found carriers of aneuploidy and inheritable genetic diseases. Furthermore, based on genetic and anthropological data, we present here the first female facial reconstruction from the Bronze Age Carpathian Basin.

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smd555
02-07-2022, 04:45 PM
The data is not available yet? I enter PRJEB49524 in ENA - no results.

J. Ketch
02-07-2022, 05:53 PM
There were still signs of such people (hugely elevated WHG) at the Battle of Tollense in the Late Bronze Age IIRC.

So my half-baked theory that folktales of trolls are distant memories of WHG-heavy holdouts can still be entertained.

Token
02-07-2022, 06:20 PM
There were still signs of such people (hugely elevated WHG) at the Battle of Tollense in the Late Bronze Age IIRC.

So my half-baked theory that folktales of trolls are distant memories of WHG-heavy holdouts can still be entertained.

Yeah, it is evidence that patches of HG-rich populations survived throughout central Europe. Interestingly the winners side of the Tollense battle seem to have fought with clubs while the losers side fought with bows and horses. Possibly the Tollense battle was a conflict between one of those WHG-rich I2 clans of central Europe and Indo-European amber traders of diverse geographical origin.

Leto
02-08-2022, 02:29 PM
There were still signs of such people (hugely elevated WHG) at the Battle of Tollense in the Late Bronze Age IIRC.

So my half-baked theory that folktales of trolls are distant memories of WHG-heavy holdouts can still be entertained.
This place is still pretty much a troll holdout and it's the year 2022 :swl

By the way, why would those people have resembled trolls? Because of the swarthiness of their skin?

Ajeje Brazorf
02-08-2022, 03:35 PM
A similar sample is already on Global25, it's called RISE479.


HUN_MBA_Vatya_o:RISE479,0.132035,0.140143,0.087869 ,0.066215,0.069859,0.018128,0.011751,0.01223,0.036 201,0.013668,0.005521,-0.014087,0.01888,0.038534,-0.029044,0.000265,-0.003651,0.012162,0.006662,0.00075,0.011979,0.0001 24,-0.021692,-0.099773,0.007305

The samples included in the table have more WHG than any person alive today and are dated between 3000 and 1000 BC. Those highlighted in red come from central Europe and are dated to after 2500 BC.

https://i.imgur.com/WZinBeU.png

gixajo
02-08-2022, 03:45 PM
But that 46% HG is not suposed to be solely WHG, but WHG+EHG according to the graph, isnīt it?

J. Ketch
02-08-2022, 04:21 PM
This place is still pretty much a troll holdout and it's the year 2022 :swl

By the way, why would those people have resembled trolls? Because of the swarthiness of their skin?
The way trolls are described is reminiscent of Hunter-Gatherers. As far as I know, trolls weren't necessarily dark-skinned in the folklore, although you might expect people with high WHG to be darker-skinned than IE people (but Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers were supposed to be lighter).

On that note there is an old legend from Scotland about the Megalithic Callanish Stones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callanish_Stones) in the Outer Hebrides, that they were erected by 'black men', under the direction of a high priest. :scratch:

Ajeje Brazorf
02-08-2022, 04:41 PM
But that 46% HG is not suposed to be solely WHG, but WHG+EHG according to the graph, isnīt it?

WHG (R15) is calculated on a cline going directly to ANE (AfontovaGora3). Percentages for samples from 15000 to 7000 BC:

https://i.imgur.com/QjjBlNj.png

Italicus
02-08-2022, 07:10 PM
I wonder what differentiates WHG, ANE and Basal Eurasian. Isn't ANE essentially Siberian shifted WHG and WHG is neanderthal shifted Basal Eurasian, it is there something I'm missing here?

Dick
02-09-2022, 02:31 AM
That's a lot of I2.