G2a2b2a ydna

[Polischuk]

Ive got G2a2b2a ydna, L497 one(dont know any further). On my dads side we have family legend that paternal ancestry is from Germany, but since family faced repressions in the USSR cant trace it with documents. Is it possible that its southern german ancestry I've got the ydna from?

[Token]

G2a-L497 peaks around the Alps and is pretty rare in Russia AFAIK, so it is quite possible.

[Polischuk]

Yes, almost absent in ethnic russians. Tho its only thing left from that ancestry. Autosomal tests show that im genetically between western Russia Northern ukraine n southwest russia. Ecerything similar to western/southwestern russians, but in eurogenes k13 i score 11 west med and 4.5 east med and almost 7 west asia, and less baltic. "Pure" russians score less med. In k15 i score almost 8% west med

[Leto]

Hi,
I've seen G2a in Russians. Rare but a few people can be found, not impossible. Can you show me your autosomal results and calculators? I will tell you how atypical you are 'cause no one else has seen as many samples as I have :)

[Alenka]

It's possible, but you'd probably have to do a more detailed Y-DNA test to know for sure.

[Jana]

Ive got G2a2b2a ydna, L497 one(dont know any further). On my dads side we have family legend that paternal ancestry is from Germany, but since family faced repressions in the USSR cant trace it with documents. Is it possible that its southern german ancestry I've got the ydna from?

Absolutely possible. G-L479 is a Celtic marker peaking around Switzerland. It's very un Russian like and could point towards southern German paternal origins. I assume most of G in Russia is of Caucacus type (like in Georgia).
But this subclade you have is coming from western-central Europe.

[Russki]

I assume most of G in Russia is of Caucasus type (like in Georgia).

Surprisingly, most seem to be a distant outreach from the Alps.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_G2a_Y-DNA.shtml

[Polischuk]

Thanks. Yea, most Gs here are g2a1(in caucasus, not ethnic russians tho), g2a2b2a is very rare, L497 even less

[Leto]

Thanks. Yea, most Gs here are g2a1(in caucasus, not ethnic russians tho), g2a2b2a is very rare, L497 even less
I'm still waiting for you to post your autosomal results, buddy. Why not do that? Do you dislike me or what?

[Polischuk]

Which calculators? My results r typical, but for southern groups. Last 4 genetations ancestry is from Moscow(northwest n historical center), Kaluga, Tver region, Ukraine n Polesie and ppssible Petersburg (not sure real origins only belorusian-polish surname but russian identity). In K13 I don't score much Atlantic (only ~24) which would show more western shifted ancestry
K13
Baltic 47.6
2 North_Atlantic 24
3 West_Med 11
4 West_Asian 7.55
5 East_Med 4.06
6 Siberian 2.49
7 South_Asian 2.6

[Polischuk]

Sorry i am slow, ofc i like u, u r russian :)

[Polischuk]

I'm still waiting for you to post your autosomal results, buddy. Why not do that? Do you dislike me or what?

Thats mdlp k16 but i don't really trust it
Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 34.28
2 Caucasian 21.74
3 Steppe 20.6
4 Neolithic 19.6
5 Siberian 2.23
6 Arctic 1
7 Oceanic 0.3
8 Amerindian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pole (Poland) 2.09
2 Belarusian (Belarus) 2.29
3 Russian (Tver) 2.8
4 Russians-West (WestRussian) 2.97
5 Russian (CentralRussia) 3.36
6 Cossack (Kuban) 3.72
7 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 3.73
8 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 3.87
9 Russian (SouthRussia) 3.97
10 Belarusian_East (EastBelarus) 4.11
11 Belarusian_West (WestBelarus) 4.26
12 Lithuanian (Lithuania) 4.62
13 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 4.77
14 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 4.83
15 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 5.2
16 Russian_cossack (Kuban) 5.23
17 Pole (WestPoland) 5.36
18 Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) 5.56
19 Pole (Wroclaw) 5.72
20 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 5.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.3% Pole (Poland) + 34.7% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 1.63
2 79.2% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 20.8% Dutch (

[Polischuk]

I'm still waiting for you to post your autosomal results, buddy. Why not do that? Do you dislike me or what?

Dodecad k12
opulation Percent
1 North_European 57.98
2 Atlantic_Med 20.35
3 Caucasus 10.19
4 Gedrosia 6.19
5 Siberian 2.6
6 Southwest_Asian 1.04
7 Southeast_Asian 0.87
8 South_Asian 0.77

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish (Dodecad) 7.93
2 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 8.98
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 9.79
4 Russian (Dodecad) 10.72
5 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 11.28
6 Belorussian (Behar) 12.05
7 Russian (HGDP) 12.19
8 Russian_B (Behar) 12.37

[Leto]

Dodecad k12
opulation Percent
1 North_European 57.98
2 Atlantic_Med 20.35
3 Caucasus 10.19
4 Gedrosia 6.19
5 Siberian 2.6
6 Southwest_Asian 1.04
7 Southeast_Asian 0.87
8 South_Asian 0.77

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish (Dodecad) 7.93
2 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 8.98
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 9.79
4 Russian (Dodecad) 10.72
5 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 11.28
6 Belorussian (Behar) 12.05
7 Russian (HGDP) 12.19
8 Russian_B (Behar) 12.37
Nice. Pure Rus :thumb001:

Post K36 too please for other people.

[Leto]

Which calculators? My results r typical, but for southern groups. Last 4 genetations ancestry is from Moscow(northwest n historical center), Kaluga, Tver region, Ukraine n Polesie and ppssible Petersburg (not sure real origins only belorusian-polish surname but russian identity). In K13 I don't score much Atlantic (only ~24) which would show more western shifted ancestry
K13
Baltic 47.6
2 North_Atlantic 24
3 West_Med 11
4 West_Asian 7.55
5 East_Med 4.06
6 Siberian 2.49
7 South_Asian 2.6
It's totally typical and within the common range. But 0.7% is missing, it's important for calculations, so please fix that.

[Polischuk]

I'm still waiting for you to post your autosomal results, buddy. Why not do that? Do you dislike me or what?

Eutest k15

Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.33
2 Eastern_Euro 25.26
3 North_Sea 20
4 Atlantic 12.12
5 West_Med 8.47
6 West_Asian 4.39
7 South_Asian 2.44
8 Siberian 1.98

Eutest

Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 29.54
2 EAST_EURO 25.81
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 18.04
4 ATLANTIC 12.17
5 WEST_ASIAN 5.9
6 WEST_MED 4.57
7 SIBERIAN 1.44
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.44
9 EAST_MED 1.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Russian 3.86
2 Ukrainian-Russian 4.05
3 Belorussian 5.24
4 UA 6.18
5 Northwest_Russian 6.19
6 PL 6.59

[Polischuk]

Thats red sea 0.3 oceanian 0.13 and amerindian 0.27 missing there

[Polischuk]

Nice. Pure Rus :thumb001:

Post K36 too please for other people.


Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.81 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.25 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 24.07 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 20.77 Pct
Fennoscandian 14.59 Pct
French 3.68 Pct
Iberian 2.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 0.06 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 6.76 Pct
North_Caucasian 1.33 Pct
North_Sea 5.77 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.83 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 3.67 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.05

[Leto]

The ready-to-use Vahaduo website is gone, I cannot run you right now 'cause I'm on my phone. But you are very Balto-Slavic, not a lot of Uralic in you for sure.

[Polischuk]

The ready-to-use Vahaduo website is gone, I cannot run you right now 'cause I'm on my phone. But you are very Balto-Slavic, not a lot of Uralic in you for sure.

Why is k13 showing so high west med/west asia/east med, cause of some ukrainian / southwestern russian ancestry? And what do u think about MDLP K16? It kinda seems to me it shows more western results than it should, the version of k16 from yourdnaportal shows same thing with poles being closest. Ive no idea how it works for other eastern slavs, but only those calculators with northern russian samples give me poles closest, k16 seems to have many russian groups, but shows this

[Leto]

Why is k13 showing so high west med/west asia/east med, cause of some ukrainian / southwestern russian ancestry? And what do u think about MDLP K16? It kinda seems to me it shows more western results than it should, the version of k16 from yourdnaportal shows same thing with poles being closest
The East Med is not high at all, 4% is pretty much average or not too far from the average. 11% West Med is slightly higher than average but my guess is that some of the North Atlantic might have gone into the West Med. The West Asian is not super high either, my brother-in-law scores the same amount, he's 100% Russian, not even part Ukrainian or Belorussian. All of his ancestry is exclusively from European Russia. In general, yes khokhols would often score some more Mediterranean and North Atlantic and a bit less Baltic. I can assure you your overall results are not atypical by any means. Every ethnic group has some variation and a certain range.

K16 has a good reference panel but I don't like the components.

[Polischuk]

The East Med is not high at all, 4% is pretty much average or not too far from the average. 11% West Med is slightly higher than average but my guess is that some of the North Atlantic might have gone into the West Med. The West Asian is not super high either, my brother-in-law scores the same amount, he's 100% Russian, not even part Ukrainian or Belorussian. All of his ancestry is exclusively from European Russia. In general, yes khokhols would often score some more Mediterranean and North Atlantic and a bit less Baltic. I can assure you your overall results are not atypical by any means. Every ethnic group has some variation and a certain range.

K16 has a good reference panel but I don't like the components.

It looks to me that most ppl with ukrainian+russian ancestry score southwestern russians or Ukrainian -russian /Ukrainian Belgorod in eurogenes, at least in my experience with ppl I know. I havent seen really many tho. But my ukrainain ancestry is from northern n northwestern Ukraine, should be very different from Lvov or Central Ukraine and its only like 3/8 of closest ancestry. Guess its just from more southern/western russian groups

[Leto]

It looks to me that most ppl with ukrainian+russian ancestry score southwestern russians or Ukrainian -russian /Ukrainian Belgorod in eurogenes, at least in my experience with ppl I know. I havent seen really many tho. But my ukrainain ancestry is from northern n northwestern Ukraine, should be very different from Lvov or Central Ukraine and its only like 3/8 of closest ancestry. Guess its just from more southern/western russian groups
Well, regardless of those numbers you have no foreign ancestry since Ukrainian or Belorussian ancestry is not and should not be considered foreign in Russia. Fuck the political division, we're all one historically. Those minute details are not very important at the end of the day.

[Polischuk]

Well, regardless of those numbers you have no foreign ancestry since Ukrainian or Belorussian ancestry is not and should not be considered foreign in Russia. Fuck the political division, we're all one historically. Those minute details are not very important at the end of the day.

Well, i dont like regionalism and dividing east slavs into groups, but local substrate and colonisation routes had differences, at the end of the day we r very homogeneous conparing to many other nations, but knowing where u belong localy is good sometimes

[Polischuk]

Well, regardless of those numbers you have no foreign ancestry since Ukrainian or Belorussian ancestry is not and should not be considered foreign in Russia. Fuck the political division, we're all one historically. Those minute details are not very important at the end of the day.

Oh, wanted to ask if u have some central Russian K13 results or kits, from Vladimir, Yaroslavl or Suzdal and western from Tver. I havent seen many, esp without roots from other russian regions.

[Leto]

Well, i dont like regionalism and dividing east slavs into groups, but local substrate and colonisation routes had differences, at the end of the day we r very homogeneous conparing to many other nations, but knowing where u belong localy is good sometimes
I agree and didn't say it was irrelevant or not worth discussing. But you are a full Russian nonetheless. That's the most important thing.

Oh, wanted to ask if u have some central Russian K13 results or kits, from Vladimir, Yaroslavl or Suzdal and western from Tver. I havent seen many, esp without roots from other russian regions.
I have all sorts of kits but I collect them in Dodecad K12b format and honestly I don't feel like posting stuff on the forum. Maybe sometime in the future.

[Polischuk]

I agree and didn't say it was irrelevant or not worth discussing. But you are a full Russian nonetheless. That's the most important thing.

I have all sorts of kits but I collect them in Dodecad K12b format and honestly I don't feel like posting stuff on the forum. Maybe sometime in the future.


Mayhe u pm me or send via telegram, pls pls?)))/

[Karol Klačansky]

Do you have G25 coordinates?

[Polischuk]

Do you have G25 coordinates?

Only for Raw data file with 23andMe V5 version, which sucks, it contains less information which is significant for the result. I have V3 version file which is better but havent bought coordinates for it and now i cant pay anything online cause russian banks r under sanctions.
With V5 version file on gedmatch i have 5-7 distances to closest populations, with V3 it gives 2-5.

[Polischuk]

In G25 PC app it shows me russian_Kursk as closest population. But again, the format is less informative, so if it would be V3 version result could be slightly different.

[Karol Klačansky]

Only for Raw data file with 23andMe V5 version, which sucks, it contains less information which is significant for the result. I have V3 version file which is better but havent bought coordinates for it and now i cant pay anything online cause russian banks r under sanctions.
With V5 version file on gedmatch i have 5-7 distances to closest populations, with V3 it gives 2-5.

can you share where you plot on the G25 Pca plot? and share ur population distances?

i would be very curious if anyone knows of an east slavic sample wkth all four grandparents from Polesia area and how this compares to ancient slavic samples we have.

[Polischuk]

can you share where you plot on the G25 Pca plot? and share ur population distances?

i would be very curious if anyone knows of an east slavic sample wkth all four grandparents from Polesia area and how this compares to ancient slavic samples we have.

I have only one greatparent from Polesie region, i will share tomorrow once i get to the laptop. Im on my phone now and not at my place. I only have 2 bad photos on my phone, which i will send, but its only oracle

[Polischuk]

can you share where you plot on the G25 Pca plot? and share ur population distances?

i would be very curious if anyone knows of an east slavic sample wkth all four grandparents from Polesia area and how this compares to ancient slavic samples we have.

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[Polischuk]

can you share where you plot on the G25 Pca plot? and share ur population distances?

i would be very curious if anyone knows of an east slavic sample wkth all four grandparents from Polesia area and how this compares to ancient slavic samples we have.

Polesians speak dialect which is between Ukrainian and belorussian, but closer to ukrainian. In the very west of Polesia ppl should be shifted towards poles, on the very east towards western Russia, but i assume they don't differ much from closest northern ukrainian regions just bit more south shifted than most belorussians but not as southern as central Ukraine.

[Polischuk]

can you share where you plot on the G25 Pca plot? and share ur population distances?

i would be very curious if anyone knows of an east slavic sample wkth all four grandparents from Polesia area and how this compares to ancient slavic samples we have.

Thats photo of G25 averages PCA113518

[Polischuk]

can you share where you plot on the G25 Pca plot? and share ur population distances?

i would be very curious if anyone knows of an east slavic sample wkth all four grandparents from Polesia area and how this compares to ancient slavic samples we have.

Thats photo of G25 individuals PCA 113519

[Karol Klačansky]

Thats photo of G25 individuals PCA 113519

can u share the list of ur actual distances too?

[Karol Klačansky]

Thats photo of G25 individuals PCA 113519

can u share the list of ur actual distances too?

[Polischuk]

can u share the list of ur actual distances too?

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I thought I've sent already