White. Yes or not?

[Cristiano viejo]

Do you consider this guy white?

https://static1.abc.es/media/deportes/2022/02/02/4-kJDE--620x349@abc.jpg

https://assets.laliga.com/squad/2021/t184/p40721/2048x2225/p40721_t184_2021_1_001_000.png

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,w_683,h_1024,x_119,y_0/c_fill,w_720,ar_2:3,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/images/GettyImages/mmsport/90min_es_international_web/01fnvge6hg45hg4kc6rh.jpg

https://as01.epimg.net/futbol/imagenes/2017/07/19/segunda/1500469525_620703_1500469657_noticia_normal_recort e1.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/u84ZBrNVxFa9vWiay.3u9A--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/D_FRVeWnjxU3tuFyyfFQRg--~B/aD0xMDgwO3c9MTkyMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/es/stats_perform_es_609/856078ed10c952ea8f34b00321f9172f

https://as01.epimg.net/futbol/imagenes/2021/06/16/segunda/1623871495_431692_1623871578_noticia_normal_recort e1.jpg

[Mortimer]

I don't know his origin though but just by looking at him I think he is white

[Art23]

I am from Europe and here the concept of whiteness is not used. Looks Spanish or hispanohablante at least.

[Cristiano viejo]

I am from Europe and here the concept of whiteness is not used.

We are in Apricity, where the concept of whiteness is used all the time.

Please answer the question.

[Grace O'Malley]

He is ambiguous. Calling someone "white" is very subjective and can vary a lot depending on who you ask. You could use someone's nationality or even more broadly something like Middle Eastern or European but even this now is changing with mass migrations. It is not unusual to see all ethnicities and races called Britons or English for example if they are born in Britain or live there.

The person above could be darker European or someone with mixed ancestry which is why I say he looks ambiguous. Some full Europeans don't look "white" and some people with mixed ancestry look "white".

People would say this woman is white but she is 25% Chinese.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/angela-tsun-78b6f36b-5ddb-4d7a-9077-46508ab4712-resize-750.jpeg

https://forums.auscelebs.net/acnet-images/17791/angela-tsun-259744.jpg

[Mortimer]

He is ambiguous. Calling someone "white" is very subjective and can vary a lot depending on who you ask. You could use someone's nationality or even more broadly something like Middle Eastern or European but even this now is changing with mass migrations. It is not unusual to see all ethnicities and races called Britons or English for example if they are born in Britain or live there.

The person above could be darker European or someone with mixed ancestry which is why I say he looks ambiguous. Some full Europeans don't look "white" and some people with mixed ancestry look "white".

People would say this woman is white but she is 25% Chinese.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/angela-tsun-78b6f36b-5ddb-4d7a-9077-46508ab4712-resize-750.jpeg

https://forums.auscelebs.net/acnet-images/17791/angela-tsun-259744.jpg

Yes he should tell us about the ancestry of the guy then we can know if he is really white

[Petalpusher]

Hel looks S.American with the regular Amerindian influence.

[Nurzat]

looks Whiter than me for sure (in summer at least). but wait, as Romanian I am not technically White anyway xD

I mean he looks Western Euro, could easily be French or Belgian.

Apricity consensus is not relevant, on here people are quite delusional regarding average and usual looks or looks range within a region or a population, always idealizing it up in terms of "Whiteness". in real life those considered "typical" on TA are actually not the most common types in their populations.

[sevruk]

yes, tanned white

[Karol Klačansky]

Hel looks S.American with the regular Amerindian influence.

to me not really, he looks very iberian, and yes I would say hes white.

[Oliver109]

No though his facial features are white, is he Italian? because we know that all Spaniards are White.

[TheMaestro]

Imo he looks white, he also reminds me of Arthur Melo.

[Reozek]

Yes

[Übermensch]

His skin colour is brown, not white, therefore is not white.
The answer is no, this guy is not white,he is brown.

[BeSustainable5903]

'White' is an ambiguous and loaded classification that means different things to different people.

The term 'white' is a misnomer actually.

The correct term to refer to the so called 'white' should be 'European' or 'Native European' , it is more accurate and cognizant of the differences in skin colour within Europe.

Biologically, 'white' means nothing. It is a political term, used to exclude people of non European descent.

It is actually illuminating to see people exhorting and taking pride at being called 'white' in these forums, as if it is a badge of honour or something. It's also funny to see clearly non European members trying desperately to come across as 'white'.

[Hektor12]

Not black or yellow for me, youre free to call him however you like.

[Insuperable]

He didn't ask if he looks white. He asked if he is white or not.

I can reformulate question the following way. What if he has a brother who looks stereorypically white. Is then one brother white and the other not white?

Either a nation is white or not white.

[Immanenz]

He didn't ask if he looks white. He asked if he is white or not.

I can reformulate question the following way. What if he has a brother who looks stereorypically white. Is then one brother white and the other not white?

Either a nation is white or not white.

But we can only judge by the looks and and not by genetic results or something else like nation since he did not post anything else.

Also"white" should technicaly mean fully Caucasoid looking in old school sense, not mixed with Mong., SSA, Amerindian in this case gets already tricky. Ops features are certainly in Caucasoid variation though.

[Oliver109]

But we can only judge by the looks and and not by genetic results or something else like nation since he did not post anything else.

Also"white" should technicaly mean fully Caucasoid looking in old school sense, not mixed with Mong., SSA, Amerindian in this case gets already tricky. Ops features are certainly in Caucasoid variation though.

I think White should theoretically mean pale but this does get confusing when you have blondes that have very deep tans as is the case in parts of central and eastern Europe and the Med.

[Finnish Swede]

Does anyone really care? Does white (alone) really mean something to somebodies?

[Norb]

Does anyone really care? Does white (alone) really mean something to somebodies?

yes to me it does, being 100% European matters, maybe not to you

[Blondie]

he is white in my opinion

[Insuperable]

But we can only judge by the looks and and not by genetic results or something else like nation since he did not post anything else.

No shit. So according to you, hypothetically speaking, if he's genetically typical Spainard aka fully European in last generations he can count then he is white? Again no shit.

I suspect the reason Christiano posted OP guy is because he is fully European hence what prompted him to make a thread. Otherwise why post him at all. Okay then, maybe Viejo simply wants that anthrotards tell us more about his face.

[Adrianv2]

He is a European Caucasian. Some are more swarthy than others. We have a big inclusive tent.

[Erronkari]

In my opinion he looks full white.

[Oliver109]

In my opinion he looks full white.

Depends what you mean by fully white, fully European yes, fully Caucasian yes.

[SouthDutch7991]

We cant tell without a genetic test. I consider white not to be a race or the same thing as being caucasoid, but a genetic state where ~99% of the individuals ancestry is West Eurasian. This includes the vast majority of europeans and some WANA people. I think it's the best possible fit for the term "white" in the context of modern understandings of genegics. I think its pretty consistent with the old American concept of "white" in general. I don't know why some people confuse whiteness and race, you can only either be or not be white. You can be caucasoid and non-white, this would include a large portion of WANA people and "white" Latin Americans. Caucasoid is a race, white is a quantification pertaining to that race.

Its why I say theres no point obsessing over how white you are or OWD. You either are or are not.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Argentinian?
My first guess would be Argentine. Definitely.


As far as "white" goes, well he looks tan to me.

[Cristiano viejo]

The person above could be darker European or someone with mixed ancestry which is why I say he looks ambiguous. Some full Europeans don't look "white" and some people with mixed ancestry look "white".


Everyone could have mixed ancestry, that is not an answer :rolleyes:


Yes he should tell us about the ancestry of the guy then we can know if he is really white
No until now because people is super biased. Below I reveal.


No though his facial features are white, is he Italian? because we know that all Spaniards are White.
Most of Spaniards look white, all Spaniards are white, yes. Jealous, mongrel?


His skin colour is brown, not white, therefore is not white.
The answer is no, this guy is not white,he is brown.
Interesting. Waiting the reaction of the user Norb.


Does anyone really care? Does white (alone) really mean something to somebodies?
Yes, I do since I thought his wife was a Spanish woman.



He is a European Caucasian. Some are more swarthy than others. We have a big inclusive tent.
Good point.


In my opinion he looks full white.

He is the Argentinian player Óscar Trejo :)

[Dentist]

yes to me it does, being 100% European matters, maybe not to you

If white means Spanish and Southern French then I'm not white.

[Cristiano viejo]

If white means Spanish and Southern French then I'm not white.

You are not white in any case.

[Tongio]

If white means Spanish and Southern French then I'm not white.

At least have white teeth mr dentist.

[Erronkari]

Depends what you mean by fully white, fully European yes, fully Caucasian yes.

Exactly!! I probably mistaken the meaning… I prefer to use those terms you did instead of “white”. ;)

[Erronkari]

Everyone could have mixed ancestry, that is not an answer :rolleyes:


No until now because people is super biased. Below I reveal.


Most of Spaniards look white, all Spaniards are white, yes. Jealous, mongrel?


Interesting. Waiting the reaction of the user Norb.


Yes, I do since I thought his wife was a Spanish woman.



Good point.



He is the Argentinian player Óscar Trejo :)

I suspected it was him!! :thumb001:

[cass]

He looks South Spanish or South Italian, so European and Caucasoid.
White is not an anthropologic term.

[Russki]

White.

[Finnish Swede]

yes to me it does, being 100% European matters, maybe not to you

I mean for me it is not ''beautifying'' (= brings happiness or satisfaction to all concerned) alone. It is more like first gate (which needs to pass), but not nearly enough that it would mean. Much more is needed.

[travv]

Argentinians are not white. They're mongrels.

[SouthDutch7991]

Argentinians are not white. They're mongrels.

Some are, some arent. Population genetic variation seems to be the most misunderstood aspect of genetics. There are full on blacks, full on whites, quadroons, octoroons, mestizo, and so on. Any one argentinian will not match the national average.

[Tooting Carmen]

Far Southern European White.

[Oliver109]

Far Southern European White.

Would you say he is white in northern Europe?

[Tooting Carmen]

Would you say he is white in northern Europe?

Yes, but looks foreign.

[Rafael Passoni]

Looks white.

[Grace O'Malley]

Everyone could have mixed ancestry, that is not an answer :rolleyes:




No everyone does not have mixed ancestry. :rolleyes: Gentleman posted looks ambiguous and because I don't know anything about him he could be fully European or mixed. If people are honest some fully Europeans look ambiguous. My point was that classifying someone as white is very subjective and this thread proves it.

Even the term Caucasian does not mean European and some Caucasians are very dark and obviously not white i.e. Indians. Describing someone as European is a lot more accurate than using terms like white or Caucasian because those terms can be very broad and in some places non-Europeans are under the "white" umbrella. Also you can put some people side by side with a very similar look and some people will say one is white and one is not depending on where they are from.

[Oliver109]

Yes, but looks foreign.

I would still argue that he is non white on account of his skintone, Grace O.M was spot on in her take on the matter, i think someone has to really be white to be called white in my view but that is just my take lol.

[mmmbavarskoe]

On second pic he looks middle eastern

[Cristiano viejo]

He looks South Spanish or South Italian, so European and Caucasoid.
White is not an anthropologic term.
Southern Spanish look the same than any other Spanish.


Argentinians are not white. They're mongrels.
Due their Asian ancestry :laugh:


No everyone does not have mixed ancestry. :rolleyes:
I did not imply such thing. I just did not understand your strange sentence (he looks ambiguous because he could be mixed). It is nonsensical.


Even the term Caucasian does not mean European and some Caucasians are very dark and obviously not white i.e. Indians. Describing someone as European is a lot more accurate than using terms like white or Caucasian
I see people here are having a headache with the word white. Just change it for European, that is all what I wanted to know, if OP could pass as European. I could not care less about lucubrations on the meaning of white.


Would you say he is white in northern Europe?
You are very retard, Oliverio. This person is non white in Southern Europe, what about in Northern Europe? for sure she is :

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/copesa/VKRATKUBABDDPCGHDACD222FA4.jpg



I would still argue that he is non white on account of his skintone

So Tom Jones, or (I insist) the user Norb https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?345260-is-this-guy-a-Blue-eyed-lighter-Mediterranean-type are non white because their skintone?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTI3MTc5NTc5NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzQzNzg3MQ@@._ V1_UY1200_CR105,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg

[Mortimer]

Everyone could have mixed ancestry, that is not an answer :rolleyes:


No until now because people is super biased. Below I reveal.


Most of Spaniards look white, all Spaniards are white, yes. Jealous, mongrel?


Interesting. Waiting the reaction of the user Norb.


Yes, I do since I thought his wife was a Spanish woman.



Good point.



He is the Argentinian player Óscar Trejo :)

If he is Argentinian he could be partly non-white like Maradona. Is Maradona White? Many Argentinians are Hispanic not White. He could be fully White though, I cannot know just by looking at him. There are Mestizos looking more "White" then him.

[Cristiano viejo]

If he is Argentinian he could be partly non-white like Maradona. Is Maradona White? Many Argentinians are Hispanic not White. He could be fully White though, I cannot know just by looking at him. There are Mestizos looking more "White" then him.

I asked for his phenotype, nothing else.

[Mortimer]

I asked for his phenotype, nothing else.

I assumed he is fully Spaniard so I said White, but if you told me he is 30% Amerindian just by looking at him he could be that too. Im saying just by looking at him I cannot know it.

[Cristiano viejo]

I assumed he is fully Spaniard so I said White,
Seriously? why would I have asked such a stupid question like that, if he was Spanish??


but if you told me he is 30% Amerindian just by looking at him he could be that too. Im saying just by looking at him I cannot know it.
Forget his ethnicity, nationality, race, country, genotype, for God sake!!! ONLY PHENOTYPE.

[Mortimer]

Seriously? why would I have asked such a stupid question like that, if he was Spanish??


Forget his ethnicity, nationality, race, country, genotype, for God sake!!! ONLY PHENOTYPE.

Phenotype is ambigous to me thats why Im saying it. Grace O Malley said the same. He doesnt look as if he couldnt be anything else then White, as if he looks like Buba or Cleitus.

[Cristiano viejo]

Phenotype is ambigous to me thats why Im saying it. Grace O Malley said the same. He doesnt look as if he couldnt be anything else then White, as if he looks like Buba or Cleitus.

I already know his phenotype is ambiguous, that is the reason why I made the thread, damn! if I thought he looks unequivocally European I never would have done it! :rolleyes: well, he looks European/white or whatever to me, I just wanted to know your opinions :noidea: I see most of people see him white too.

[SilverKnight]

Do you consider this guy white?

https://static1.abc.es/media/deportes/2022/02/02/4-kJDE--620x349@abc.jpg

https://assets.laliga.com/squad/2021/t184/p40721/2048x2225/p40721_t184_2021_1_001_000.png

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,w_683,h_1024,x_119,y_0/c_fill,w_720,ar_2:3,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/images/GettyImages/mmsport/90min_es_international_web/01fnvge6hg45hg4kc6rh.jpg

https://as01.epimg.net/futbol/imagenes/2017/07/19/segunda/1500469525_620703_1500469657_noticia_normal_recort e1.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/u84ZBrNVxFa9vWiay.3u9A--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/D_FRVeWnjxU3tuFyyfFQRg--~B/aD0xMDgwO3c9MTkyMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/es/stats_perform_es_609/856078ed10c952ea8f34b00321f9172f

https://as01.epimg.net/futbol/imagenes/2021/06/16/segunda/1623871495_431692_1623871578_noticia_normal_recort e1.jpg

Obvio, yes... si

[Mortimer]

I already know his phenotype is ambiguous, that is the reason why I made the thread, damn! if I thought he looks unequivocally European I never would have done it! :rolleyes: well, he looks European/white or whatever to me, I just wanted to know your opinions :noidea: I see most of people see him white too.

Yes I think White, but maybe not much more White then Maradona, is Maradona White? Or Enriqe Iglesias or are they mixed? Enrqie Iglesias I think is part Filipino even.

[Cristiano viejo]

His children

https://static1.elcomercio.es/www/pre2017/multimedia/noticias/201706/22/media/25412464.JPG

[Rostos vilmoskörte]

European passing untanned

[Grace O'Malley]

I did not imply such thing. I just did not understand your strange sentence (he looks ambiguous because he could be mixed). It is nonsensical.


I see people here are having a headache with the word white. Just change it for European, that is all what I wanted to know, if OP could pass as European. I could not care less about lucubrations on the meaning of white.


You are very retard, Oliverio. This person is non white in Southern Europe, what about in Northern Europe? for sure she is :

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/copesa/VKRATKUBABDDPCGHDACD222FA4.jpg




So Tom Jones, or (I insist) the user Norb https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?345260-is-this-guy-a-Blue-eyed-lighter-Mediterranean-type are non white because their skintone?



I said he looks ambiguous not because he is mixed because I don't know anything about him. I said he looks ambiguous because he had darker skin so he isn't someone who you would say looks definitely European or "white". I hope that makes it clear.

Yes there are Europeans that people question whether they are fully white or fully European. Robert Sheehan who is Irish has had this happen to him.

With someone like Tom Jones it is only as he has aged that he looks a bit new world. In his heyday he looked less exotic but that's my view and you might not agree.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIIU9xkGAMs

[Übermensch]

Are you people colourblind?
His skin is BROWN not WHITE, it's very simple to understand.

[Finnish Swede]

I said he looks ambiguous because he had darker skin so he isn't someone who you would say looks definitely European or "white".

That was partly my point.

Meaning: What are benefits (or meanings/reasons) for someone strongly indentify as ''white'' if other people will still question that (if seeing the person)?

And if you opposite have looks which definitely will give white feeling to basically everyone; then you simply will not need it either (no needs to think about it, talk about, care about it).

[Universe]

https://i.imgur.com/Kfwfays.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JlOihWI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/09id7Pu.jpg

[Mitryejd]

hell no, Euroafricanid + dinaro-armenoid types should not be considered biological white
if you allow it, then paint all of the north africa white :)

[Xacal]

Yes

[Cristiano viejo]

II said he looks ambiguous because he had darker skin so he isn't someone who you would say looks definitely European or "white"

Seriously?? if someone has darker skin than average is enough to doubt about his race?? come on please...

[Mortimer]

Seriously?? if someone has darker skin than average is enough to doubt about his race?? come on please...

https://i.imgur.com/Kfwfays.jpg

[Ellethwyn]

Hel looks S.American with the regular Amerindian influence.

That's what i see, too.

[Celestia]

He looks white imo

[Grace O'Malley]

Seriously?? if someone has darker skin than average is enough to doubt about his race?? come on please...

Yes seriously. I've seen people that are half-European that look like some darker skinned Europeans. An example is a girl who was half-Bornean and half-white Australian. She had skin similar to the man posted and her features were completely European. She was a lovely looking girl. I've seen a reasonable amount of people that are 1/4 Asian who would fit in Britain or Ireland and no one would know they weren't fully European. That's people with fair skin and hair and eyes that were blue/green and light brown hair. Not unusual at all. Some Europeans look darker than some people that are mixed.

Sir Leslie Joseph Hooker, born Leslie Joseph Tingyou. He was 25% Chinese.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Leslie_Joseph_Hooker_1963.jpg

So how would you know that someone is fully European unless you knew their background? I know loads of people who look fully European but aren't.

[Grace O'Malley]

https://secure.static.goal.com/33200/33236_gallery.jpg

Looking at him here I would think he has Amerindian influence whereas I know people that have known non-European ancestry who look fully European whereas this man is definitely ambiguous. To me it is obvious he isn't fully European or fully white. There that's my definite answer. :)

[Pro.crasti.nation]

https://i.imgur.com/Kfwfays.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JlOihWI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/09id7Pu.jpg

Definitely looks South American, but then again, REALLY LOOKS LIKE DAVID SILVA (in his hay days).

If David Silva is plain Spanish, then I guess this guy could be, too.

[BeSustainable5903]

Doesnt David Silva have a japanese or chinese mother? Or was it grandmother?

Time to Google.

What a player though. Amazing vision and technique.

[Grace O'Malley]

Former Miss Ireland Andrea Roche (25% Indian).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/bd/55/b0bd55c17432b30a4247ac9fba426634.jpg

https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/7936611/521full-andrea-roche.jpg

[BeSustainable5903]

Indian and 'white' mixes generally produce 'white 'looking children. Especially, Indians without significant Veddoid admixture.

[Universe]

Definitely looks South American, but then again, REALLY LOOKS LIKE DAVID SILVA (in his hay days).

If David Silva is plain Spanish, then I guess this guy could be, too.
David Silva is from Canary Islands and is 1/4 East Asian.
I used to believe Ryan Giggs was a "pure British Islander" when I watched him play in 2000s.

[ixulescu]

OP man looks white, just tanned. Of course, he can still have non-white admixture - but if he does, it's not visible.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

triple post.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

tp.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Doesnt David Silva have a japanese or chinese mother? Or was it grandmother?

Time to Google.

What a player though. Amazing vision and technique.

Ah, never really looked into it. Just admired the player, whenever he was featured in a La Liga match on Sky Sports.

Spain had a bunch of excellent playmaking midfielders and attacking midfielders, over the '00s...

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Former Miss Ireland Andrea Roche (25% Indian).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/bd/55/b0bd55c17432b30a4247ac9fba426634.jpg

https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/7936611/521full-andrea-roche.jpg

Looks vaguely Catherine Zeta-Jones-y. Also, the dark hair/light eyes combo, reminds me of Helena Christiansen.


Basically, unambiguously European looking.

Look up my post of Anita Pfaff (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359229-Anita-Bose-Pfaff-Classify-and-Pass) for another interesting (and historically, quite notable) Euro-Indian mix.