An American thinks that full europeans cannot be hispanic

[SouthDutch7991]

I got into an argument with a friend of mine over this. He was of the opinion that "hispanic/latino" cannot apply to full or near-full europeans, and that it only applies to mestizo or other mixed latin americans. I argued against this but he seemed convinced that his use of the term was the more commmon and correct one, even outside of American centers of thought. How do you see this term, both in and outside of Latin America? Personally I never had any question over whether a "white person" could be hispanic.

[TheMaestro]

Hispanic can be ethnical and cultural, so your friend is wrong, although I understand where he is coming from.

[J. Ketch]

The connotation or default meaning in English is of a brown racially-mixed person. That's why they have to add 'White' Hispanic as a caveat in the US. Would you call a Spanish person from Spain a Hispanic or Latino? I've never heard it done.

[sean]

An American thinks that full europeans cannot be hispanic. I got into an argument with a friend of mine over this. He was of the opinion that "hispanic/latino" cannot apply to full or near-full europeans, and that it only applies to mestizo or other mixed latin americans. Personally I never had any question over whether a "white person" could be hispanic.

Well, 99% of Hispanics are actually mixed-race in America, although we have people like Colonel Francisco Santos (Spanish-American from NY) and CV (who has colonial Spanish relatives in Louisiana I believe).

There is actually a drop in white identifying Hispanics in America (good thing really).

https://i.imgur.com/JFsZlJp.jpg

[SouthDutch7991]

The connotation or default meaning in English is of a brown racially-mixed person. That's why they have to add 'White' Hispanic as a caveat in the US. Would you call a Spanish person from Spain a Hispanic or Latino? I've never heard it done.

Well no, but the term implies new world or colonial populations. Im aware that the term tends to be used that way in the U.S. but I always saw that as a very typical misuse of a term as happens so often with language. Ive met my fair share of white mexicans who would not consider themselves non-hispanic or "un-mexcian".

Personally, I always understood the connotation to be something applying to a varied group of people, but maybe I just dont pay enough attention to subtext in conversations.

[Mortimer]

I think hispanic means native spanish speaker i think you can be european and hispanic but i think you need to be spanish you can not be German and hispanic

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I got into an argument with a friend of mine over this. He was of the opinion that "hispanic/latino" cannot apply to full or near-full europeans, and that it only applies to mestizo or other mixed latin americans. I argued against this but he seemed convinced that his use of the term was the more commmon and correct one, even outside of American centers of thought. How do you see this term, both in and outside of Latin America? Personally I never had any question over whether a "white person" could be hispanic.

All you have to do is show the moron the definition of the word Hispanic or better yet the definition given by the US census. I don't understand why people have strong opinions about something without taking a few minutes to look into it.


The connotation or default meaning in English is of a brown racially-mixed person. That's why they have to add 'White' Hispanic as a caveat in the US. Would you call a Spanish person from Spain a Hispanic or Latino? I've never heard it done.

It would be correct to refer to a Spaniard as Hispanic but it wouldn't be correct to refer to them as Latino. Hispanic includes Spaniards and Spanish speaking Latin Americans but not Portuguese speaking Brazilians but Latino includes both Spanish speaking and Portuguese speaking Latin Americans but not Spaniards because geography is central to what is a Latino (Latin American = Latino).

French speakers from the Americas (Haiti and French-Canadian) are romance speakers should technically fall under the Latino category but that's not the case in the US.


Well, 99% of Hispanics are actually mixed-race in America, although we have people like Colonel Francisco Santos (Spanish-American from NY) and CV (who has colonial Spanish relatives in Louisiana I believe).

How dare you. I'm from New Jersey. You have a file on everyone and so I expect this to be corrected.

[SilverKnight]

I got into an argument with a friend of mine over this. He was of the opinion that "hispanic/latino" cannot apply to full or near-full europeans, and that it only applies to mestizo or other mixed latin americans. I argued against this but he seemed convinced that his use of the term was the more commmon and correct one, even outside of American centers of thought. How do you see this term, both in and outside of Latin America? Personally I never had any question over whether a "white person" could be hispanic.

We don't care what others have to say. Tell them to mind their own business. We all choose what we want to be, especially if we're part of that element to a certain degree..

[Alexandro]

We don't care what others have to say. Tell them to mind their own business. We all choose what we want to be, especially if we're part of that element to a certain degree..

The last time I checked a mulatto can't choose to be fully European. Are you transracial, bro?

[SilverKnight]

The last time I checked a mulatto can't choose to be fully European. Are you transracial, bro?

Oh says who ? Iberian Alex :rolleyes:, you ain't no one to tell me how I should declare my self , mind your own business.

[Alexandro]

Oh says who?

Your DNA test xD

[SilverKnight]

Your DNA test xD

So based on dna testa, an african person with..1...4...5..10..20..40 % european or any other ancestry shouldn't identify as black, based on your "logic" :rolleyes:

[Alexandro]

So based on dna tests then an african person with..1...4...5..10..20..40 % european or any other ancestry shouldn't identify as black, based on your "logic" :rolleyes:

What? I'm just saying you're not fully European.

You said:


We all choose what we want to be

The thing is that you can't choose to be fully European. Fate decided that, bro. Although you can delude yourself into thinking you're fully European, but that's not quite the same thing.

[SilverKnight]

What? I'm just saying you're not fully European.



Ok ok we're getting somewhere (so not fully) , well there's a decent number of non-hispanic white Americans with some SSA / native in them, based on your logic, they're not fully european thus not white :rolleyes:

See?... You keep digging your own hole buddy ;):rolleyes:

[Alexandro]

Ok, well there's a decent number of non-hispanic white Americans with some SSA / native in them, based on your logic, they're not fully european thus not white :rolleyes:

See?... You keep digging your own hole buddy ;):rolleyes:

Motherfucker, read the title of the thread and stop putting words in my mouth:


An American thinks that FULL EUROPEANS cannot be hispanic

[SilverKnight]

Motherfucker, read the title of the thread and stop putting words in my mouth:

OUCH! now it's escalating into insults huh? :rolleyes: ... I exposed your bs narrative so all of the sudden you get angry :rolleyes: how cute.

[Alexandro]

OUCH! now it's escalating into insults huh? :rolleyes: ... I exposed your bs narrative so all of the sudden you get angry :rolleyes: how cute.

Bro, what BS narrative? I'm just pointing out you're not fully European on a thread regarding Hispanics being fully European. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Holy shit

[SilverKnight]

Bro, what BS narrative? I'm just pointing out you're not fully European on a thread regarding Hispanics being fully European. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Holy shit

Stop acting like I was born yesterday , obviously I know what this thread is all about DUH, but as soon as I started defending my stance you started attacking me and telling me what I am/ or I should be, so f - off and stop acting like the victim, I'm so done with you and your none-sense.

[Alexandro]

Stop acting like I was born yesterday , obviously I know what this thread is all about DUH, but as soon as I started defending my stance you started attacking me and telling me what I am/ or I should be, so f - off and stop acting like the victim, I'm so done with you and your none-sense.

Oh my god. Are you seriously this fucking stupid? This nonsense you keep spewing at me has absolutely nothing to do with what I've been saying. You're making arguments for me instead of actually listening to what I say.

There is something wrong with you.

[Leto]

SilverKnight, you're not white by any definition, what are you arguing about? You are only half European genetically but it's clear to me you love white women and have already upgraded your genetics in the next generation.

[SilverKnight]

I think hispanic means native spanish speaker i think you can be european and hispanic but i think you need to be spanish you can not be German and hispanic

If you're half german american and the other half, let's say spaniard, mexican etc, you can be considered hispanic according to the definition. As long as one of the parents is hispanic (especially the father), you can be considered hispanic.

[alnortedelsur]

Your American friend is amazingly ignorant.

[SouthDutch7991]

All you have to do is show the moron the definition of the word Hispanic or better yet the definition given by the US census. I don't understand why people have strong opinions about something without taking a few minutes to look into it.



It would be correct to refer to a Spaniard as Hispanic but it wouldn't be correct to refer to them as Latino. Hispanic includes Spaniards and Spanish speaking Latin Americans but not Portuguese speaking Brazilians but Latino includes both Spanish speaking and Portuguese speaking Latin Americans but not Spaniards because geography is central to what is a Latino (Latin American = Latino).

French speakers from the Americas (Haiti and French-Canadian) are romance speakers should technically fall under the Latino category but that's not the case in the US.



How dare you. I'm from New Jersey. You have a file on everyone and so I expect this to be corrected.

He tried to argue that the U.S. census counting nonhispanic whites meant that they were proving that hispanic means non-white. Dunno how that works out.

[SouthDutch7991]

Motherfucker, read the title of the thread and stop putting words in my mouth:

I should clarify, when I say fully european Im really including anyone in the 97ish percent and over category. The argument centered around whether whites, which we both agree are fully or near-fully european, can be hispanic. I consider people with say 3% american native or ssa or whatever to be white because youre splitting hairs at that point.

[Alexandro]

I should clarify, when I say fully european Im really including anyone in the 97ish percent and over category. The argument centered around whether whites, which we both agree are fully or near-fully european, can be hispanic. I consider people with say 3% american native or ssa or whatever to be white because youre splitting hairs at that point.

Yeah, that is reasonable. SilverKnight is however not anywhere close to being 97% European.

[Leto]

I should clarify, when I say fully european Im really including anyone in the 97ish percent and over category. The argument centered around whether whites, which we both agree are fully or near-fully european, can be hispanic. I consider people with say 3% american native or ssa or whatever to be white because youre splitting hairs at that point.
What about those that are over 80% European? Like alnortedelsur who is around 86-87% Caucasoid and looks white.

[SouthDutch7991]

What about those that are over 80% European? Like alnortedelsur who is around 86-87% Caucasoid and looks white.

Its not really a fixed boundary for me as it depends on the person, above 80% is well within the caucasoid + admixture range at that point.

[Incal]

Well most yanks got no clue about the outside world so 95% times is useless to discuss with them anything outside the US.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I think hispanic means native spanish speaker i think you can be european and hispanic but i think you need to be spanish you can not be German and hispanic

A German-Argentine would be considered Hispanic because he was born and raised in a Spanish speaking country. You don't need to have Hispanic ancestry. You just need to be part of a Hispanic culture. Chinese-Cubans can be Hispanic even though they're Asian because they have roots in Cuba.


He tried to argue that the U.S. census counting nonhispanic whites meant that they were proving that hispanic means non-white. Dunno how that works out.

He has trouble understanding simple English and so my initial assessment that he is a moron is accurate.

It reminds me of a woman who thought 'Other White' on the British census meant other Europeans living in the UK weren't considered White. How anyone can come to that conclusion is beyond me: the language is clear: 'other White.' It's not 'other than White.'


Well most yanks got no clue about the outside world so 95% times is useless to discuss with them anything outside the US.

Many don't have a clue about American geography. Imagine a lawyer who thinks it's a quick drive from Ohio to California. Many can't find every US state on the map and forget about asking if they know the capitals of each state.

Americans are good for what they need to know for their work but are lost when it comes to everything else. It's a practical culture: you learn what you need to learn to earn a living. Anything else is a waste of time.

[Mortimer]

A German-Argentine would be considered Hispanic because he was born and raised in a Spanish speaking country. You don't need to have Hispanic ancestry. You just need to be part of a Hispanic culture. Chinese-Cubans can be Hispanic even though they're Asian because they have roots in Cuba.



He has trouble understanding simple English and so my initial assessment that he is a moron is accurate.

It reminds me of a woman who thought 'Other White' on the British census meant other Europeans living in the UK weren't considered White. How anyone can come to that conclusion is beyond me: the language is clear: 'other White.' It's not 'other than White.'



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Then hispanic is not a ethnicity just a nationality, like american, but it is treated as ethnicity on the US census.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Then hispanic is not a ethnicity just a nationality, like american, but it is treated as ethnicity on the US census.

Hispanic is a cultural term and because it's a cultural term Hispanic is referred to as an ethnicity in the US.

[Mortimer]

Hispanic is a cultural term.

I doubt that chinese argentines or german argentines even have "hispanic culture" because culture roots in language if they speak german with eatch other like the mennonites they are not culturally hispanic.

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

Americans are mostly uninformed on this topic. Just try your best to explain to him the difference between genetics and linguistics.

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

I doubt that chinese argentines or german argentines even have "hispanic culture" because culture roots in language if they speak german with eatch other like the mennonites they are not culturally hispanic.

Chinese/German Argentines still speak Spanish... lol. The Fujimoris of Peru are of pure Japanese descent, but it would hard to say they don't have, "Hispanic culture." However, Alberto's grandchildren are mixed with euro-leaning Mestizos

[Mortimer]

Chinese/German Argentines still speak Spanish... lol. The Fujimoris of Peru are of pure Japanese descent, but it would hard to say they don't have, "Hispanic culture."

I dont know about the fujimoris of peru, but it is a general rule there are probably exceptions. Some might be more integrated into hispanic culture then others, but if they dont speak spanish as native speakers they are not culturally hispanic to me, or if they speak it only in public places as second language etc. thats what the mennonites do.

[Incal]

Americans are good for what they need to know for their work but are lost when it comes to everything else. It's a practical culture: you learn what you need to learn to earn a living. Anything else is a waste of time.

Quoted for truth. You nailed it my friend.

[Mortimer]

Hispanic is a cultural term and because it's a cultural term Hispanic is referred to as an ethnicity in the US.

If Hispanic is a cultural term because they know some Spanish and have the nationality, then English is a cultural term too, and we are English on TA because we speak English. Also Im not sure that culture and ethnicity is the same, isnt ethnicity about ancestry rather then culture?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I doubt that chinese argentines or german argentines even have "hispanic culture" because culture roots in language if they speak german with eatch other like the mennonites they are not culturally hispanic.

Mennonites are not a demographically relevant population in Argentina. I don't understand how this went from what would be typical of a German living in Argentina - someone maybe a 2nd or 3rd generation German-Argentine and integrated into society - to a Christian German group that has maybe a few thousand (if that) living in Argentina.

There is a significant Mennonite population in Pennsylvania. The few I've known don't speak German. So what would they be?

I don't understand the difficulty you're having in grasping what I'm saying (which is the US government's perception): you can speak more than one language. When I ate at a Chinese-Cuban restaurant in Washington Heights, NYC they spoke to people in Spanish. They didn't learn Spanish for the sake of their mostly Latino patrons. Their families had been living in Cuba for a couple of generations.

This is not to say they have to identify as Hispanic or Latino or Asian-Latino. There is no written rule for what a member of the Japanese community in Peru or the Chinese community in Costa Rican can choose if they immigrate to the US. I'm saying they can check off Hispanic if they want on the US census and Asian as their race.

[Coastal Elite]

Well most yanks got no clue about the outside world so 95% times is useless to discuss with them anything outside the US.

https://i.imgur.com/YZGHDo6.png

[Mortimer]

Mennonites are not a demographically relevant population in Argentina. I don't understand how this went from what would be typical of a German living in Argentina - someone maybe a 2nd or 3rd generation German-Argentine and integrated into society - to a Christian German group that has maybe a few thousand (if that) living in Argentina.

There is a significant Mennonite population in Pennsylvania. The few I've known don't speak German. So what would they be?

I don't understand the difficulty you're having in grasping what I'm saying (which is the US government's perception): you can speak more than one language. When I ate at a Chinese-Cuban restaurant in Washington Heights, NYC they spoke to people in Spanish. They didn't learn Spanish for the sake of their mostly Latino patrons. Their families had been living in Cuba for a couple of generations.

This is not to say they have to identify as Hispanic or Latino or Asian-Latino. There is no written rule for what a member of the Japanese community in Peru or the Chinese community in Costa Rican can choose. I'm saying they can check off Hispanic if they want on the US census and Asian as their race.

Ok I dont know much about Germans living in Argentina, I thought there are some Mennonintes I didnt know it is a common phenomenon. I think they would be German, just like American Germans are not Anglo or English just by being American citizens. So they are not hispanic.

[Alexandro]

Ok I dont know much about Germans living in Argentina, I thought there are some Mennonintes I didnt know it is a common phenomenon. I think they would be German, just like American Germans are not Anglo or English just by being American citizens. So they are not hispanic.

They are mostly Volga Germans in Argentina

[Mortimer]

They are mostly Volga Germans in Argentina

I think you can gradually assimilate into a ethnic group, but it is not the general rule, but after a few generations, after you speak spanish only and eventually mixed into with spaniards, you are hispanic but not per default anyone can be like claimed, then it wouldnt be a ethnicity at all just citizenship like american.

[Alexandro]

I think you can gradually assimilate into a ethnic group, but it is not the general rule, but after a few generations, after you speak spanish only and eventually mixed into with spaniards, you are hispanic but not per default anyone can be like claimed, then it wouldnt be a ethnicity at all just citizenship like american.

Hispanic just means you are hispanophone. It has nothing to do with blood, but language and culture.

[Mortimer]

Hispanic just means you are hispanophone. It has nothing to do with blood, but language and culture.

I doubt there is a unifying culture among all those immigrants, and they probably speak more then one language and are not native speakers.

[Mortimer]

Hispanic just means you are hispanophone. It has nothing to do with blood, but language and culture.

So If I learn spanish within 3 months Im hispanic? And can you describe that unifying culture? I dont see why it is treated as ethnicity, if it is a culture, it is no more a ethnicity then american.

[Mortimer]

Hispanic just means you are hispanophone. It has nothing to do with blood, but language and culture.

So If I learn spanish within 3 months Im hispanic? And can you describe that unifying culture? I dont see why it is treated as ethnicity, if it is a culture, it is no more a ethnicity then american.

[Incal]

I think you can gradually assimilate into a ethnic group, but it is not the general rule, but after a few generations, after you speak spanish only and eventually mixed into with spaniards, you are hispanic but not per default anyone can be like claimed, then it wouldnt be a ethnicity at all just citizenship like american.

That's just theory. Nothing verifyable with proper science.

[Alexandro]

I doubt there is a unifying culture among all those immigrants, and they probably speak more then one language and are not native speakers.

It was actually common that non-Spaniard immigrants in South America would use Spanish as a lingua franca to better understand each other because they all spoke in their respective dialects and could hardly understand each other.

[Mortimer]

It was actually common that non-Spaniard immigrants in South America would use Spanish as a lingua franca to better understand each other because they all spoke in their dialects and could hardly understand each other.

We do the same on TA, or we wouldnt understand eatch other, doesnt mean we are by ethnicity or even by culture all the same.

[Alexandro]

We do the same on TA, or we wouldnt understand eatch other, doesnt mean we are by ethnicity or even by culture all the same.

No, I mean within people from the same country. Sicilian immigrants could hardly understand the Venetians because of the dialect differences, etc. And probably the same happened with Germans.

[Mortimer]

No, I mean within people from the same country. Sicilian immigrants could hardly understand the Venetians because of the dialect differences, etc. And probably the same happened with Germans.

Ok man. But spanish probably has its dialects too just like any other country, they could use the lingua franca of their native country, all of that doesnt make much sense to me. I think the question whether you are hispanic should be deleted, because some whos parents were hispanic maybe dont even speak spanish anymore, only english. They are born in the US. If it is not because of ancestry or ethnic background only because of culture then it makes no sense to ask americans whether they are hispanic maybe only first generation immigrants.

[Incal]

No, I mean within people from the same country. Sicilian immigrants could hardly understand the Venetians because of the dialect differences, etc. And probably the same happened with Germans.

Same happened in the US but it's undeniable that we made a better job here. Before I didn't know the exact reason, but nowadays I might say it got to do with the lack of empathy anglos and related got.

[de Burgh II]

Technically speaking, anyone can be culturally Hispanic if they were born into a Spanish/Portuguese speaking country (i.e. Central/South America and/or the Caribbean) irrespective of their genetic lineage (i.e. Amerindians, Mestizos, Zambos, Europeans/"Criollos", etc.). Nevertheless, the U.S. consensus includes the option of identifying as either a "White Hispanic" which would be Criollos/White colonials purely of Spanish/ or Portuguese heritage or "Non-White Hispanics" such as Africans, Amerindians, East Asians or mixed race (Zambos, Mestizos, Harnizos, Mulattos, etc.)

[Alexandro]

Ok man. But spanish probably has its dialects too just like any other country, they could use the lingua franca of their native country, all of that doesnt make much sense to me. I think the question whether you are hispanic should be deleted, because some whos parents were hispanic maybe dont even speak spanish anymore, only english. They are born in the US. If it is not because of ancestry or ethnic background only because of culture then it makes no sense to ask americans whether they are hispanic maybe only first generation immigrants.

My point was that most of the non Spaniard immigrants who went to South America did not speak Italian or German or etc but dialects, so they quickly switched to the lingua franca of Spanish. This creates a significant distance between the diaspora and the home population, so a third generation German-Argentine will culturally have more in common with someone from a Hispanic country than someone actually from Germany.

The person only has to mark Hispanic if they want to.

[Mortimer]

My point was that most of the non Spaniard immigrants who went to South America did not speak Italian or German or etc but dialects, so they quickly switched to the lingua franca of Spanish. This creates a significant distance between the diaspora and the home population, so a third generation German-Argentine will culturally have more in common with someone from a Hispanic country than someone actually from Germany.

The person only has to mark Hispanic if they want to.

I acknowledged that you can gradually assimilate into a culture, but i said per default hispanic means spanish, that is the general rule, but you as immigrant can assimilate especially if you are third generation probably you do. I think I said that already. But if you keep your customs language etc. you dont have hispanic culture, to me. Some germans in brasil want a seperate german colony, they celebrate oktoberfest, and create germany look alike small villages etc. they speak german, how are they culturally latino?

[Mortimer]

"Not everyone born in a spanish country is per default hispanic" that is my point. Hispanic means Spanish.

[Alexandro]

I acknowledged that you can gradually assimilate into a culture, but i said per default hispanic means spanish, that is the general rule, but you as immigrant can assimilate especially if you are third generation probably you do. I think I said that already. But if you keep your customs language etc. you dont have hispanic culture, to me. Some germans in brasil want a seperate german colony, they celebrate oktoberfest, and create germany look alike small villages etc. they speak german, how are they culturally latino?

They also speak Portuguese for the reasons I already mentioned. You can speak more than one language.

[soonhope]

"Not everyone born in a spanish country is per default hispanic" that is my point. Hispanic means Spanish.

hello mr mortimer, can you do my classification?

[Incal]

"Not everyone born in a spanish country is per default hispanic" that is my point. Hispanic means Spanish.

The only spanish country is Spain. What are you talking about?

[Mortimer]

The only spanish country is Spain. What are you talking about?

And spanish colonies, where spanish is the official language

[Mortimer]

They also speak Portuguese for the reasons I already mentioned. You can speak more than one language.

I replied to that point, but you repeat yourself. You didnt further replied to my arguments, or went to consider my arguments you just say they speak spanish or portuguese and more then one language. You said that already.

[Mortimer]

hello mr mortimer, can you do my classification?

You can pass from kurdish to upper caste pakistani.

[Alexandro]

I replied to that point, but you repeat yourself. You didnt further replied to my arguments, or went to consider my arguments you just say they speak spanish or portuguese and more then one language. You said that already.

They speak Portuguese/Spanish and have a connection to a Latin American country, so that qualifies them as Hispanic/Latino (if they want to identify like so). That's it.

[Incal]

And spanish colonies, where spanish is the official language

Nope. That's Latin America or South America if you wish. Anyway, I'm sorry you had to live in an ethnocentric country where you will never be accepted. But here it's a whole different story.

[soonhope]

You can pass from kurdish to upper caste pakistani.

What?Don't I look like Arabs?

[celticdragongod]

I got into an argument with a friend of mine over this. He was of the opinion that "hispanic/latino" cannot apply to full or near-full europeans, and that it only applies to mestizo or other mixed latin americans. I argued against this but he seemed convinced that his use of the term was the more commmon and correct one, even outside of American centers of thought. How do you see this term, both in and outside of Latin America? Personally I never had any question over whether a "white person" could be hispanic.

In the United States, the term Hispanic is generally used to describe someone of mixed Iberian and Native American ancestry.

[SouthDutch7991]

In the United States, the term Hispanic is generally used to describe someone of mixed Iberian and Native American ancestry.

But most of the people theyre describing are not trueestizos but triracials from a population with a great amount of variation. There are 99% euro mexicans and 80% SSA mexicanns, balanced three way indio/euro/SSA, and everything else. Think of it this way, its on the same level as calling all americans regardless of race "anglophones americans", and then only picturing a mulatto.

[mitalit]

In Spain the term Hispano/Latino is only used to describe people from Latam.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

How would you Classify these people,

would you CONSIDER THEM HISPANIC?
http://https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359485-Classify-these-farmers

[Cristiano viejo]

Hispanic = from Hispania. Hispania was the name of the Iberian peninsula, so the only one true Hispanics are us, Spaniards and Portuguese.

Our bastards in America can be called Latinos, mestizos, mulatos, triracials, criollos, whatever. But they are not Hispanic.

[Adrianv2]

If Hispanic is a cultural term because they know some Spanish and have the nationality, then English is a cultural term too, and we are English on TA because we speak English. Also Im not sure that culture and ethnicity is the same, isnt ethnicity about ancestry rather then culture?

IIRC The government in the USA did not know what to call Mexicans and others who started emigrating to the USA. Somehow they came up the term Hispanic, meaning someone from a Spanish speaking country but not from Spain. Asian is a dumb term also. Asia is a large land mass continent with multiple races ethnicities etc.

[Ruggery]

IIRC The government in the USA did not know what to call Mexicans and others who started emigrating to the USA. Somehow they came up the term Hispanic, meaning someone from a Spanish speaking country but not from Spain. Asian is a dumb term also. Asia is a large land mass continent with multiple races ethnicities etc.

Hahahaha, a Chinese, an Arab and a Pakistani have the same racial category in the US.