DNA tests were a scam to collect our DNA into a large database!

[Richmondbread]

Not any more reliable than horoscopes, the technology you pay for at $100 , and you are duped into thinking you're getting an accurate reading! These things were all scams, and I'm scared now that they admitted to selling our DNA into the database. Now it's possible if they don't like certain groups such as Christians, they could use DNA to determine who to get rid of. Possibly, they could mix up DNA and end up wrongfully convicting someone of a crime! Why did we all for it and why were we so stupid? The tests are pure gimmicks. Why can't people wake up and smell the petunias? This was a scam.


BTW. I'm talking about ethnicity DNA tests, not real actual DNA.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

So what was it about your results that upset you?

In all honesty, I probably wouldn't have done it now. I bought a 23andme kit when it was new (<<<< hipster) and so it was exciting at the time. I wish I had bought bitcoin instead with that money.

[Richmondbread]

So what was it about your results that upset you?

In all honesty, I probably wouldn't have done it now. I bought a 23andme kit when it was new (<<<< hipster) and so it was exciting at the time.

This has nothing to do with my "results". The idea that we can get accuracy from the tests. Identical twins ended up getting different results on every test. They just wanted our DNA and marked it into a clever scam to fool people into thinking they're actually getting a snapshot of their roots. It isn't any more accurate that fortune telling or horoscopes.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5c1p6aC0

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Identical twins don't share 100% of their DNA

Identical twins form from the same egg and get the same genetic material from their parents — but that doesn't mean they're genetically identical by the time they're born.

That's because so-called identical twins pick up genetic mutations in the womb, as their cells weave new strands of DNA and then split into more and more cells. On average, pairs of twins have genomes that differ by an average of 5.2 mutations that occur early in development, according to a new study.

"One particularly surprising observation is that in many twin pairs, some mutations are carried by nearly all cells in one twin but completely absent in the other," Ziyue Gao, an assistant professor of genetics at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved in the research, said in an email.
https://www.livescience.com/identical-twins-dont-share-all-dna.html

[Richmondbread]

Identical twins don't share 100% of their DNA

Identical twins form from the same egg and get the same genetic material from their parents — but that doesn't mean they're genetically identical by the time they're born.

That's because so-called identical twins pick up genetic mutations in the womb, as their cells weave new strands of DNA and then split into more and more cells. On average, pairs of twins have genomes that differ by an average of 5.2 mutations that occur early in development, according to a new study.

"One particularly surprising observation is that in many twin pairs, some mutations are carried by nearly all cells in one twin but completely absent in the other," Ziyue Gao, an assistant professor of genetics at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved in the research, said in an email.
https://www.livescience.com/identical-twins-dont-share-all-dna.html

The point is they get different results on every test. All these different companies give them different results.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

The point is they get different results on every test. All these different companies give them different results.

Different companies use different algorithms.

[Richmondbread]

Different companies use different algorithms.

So you get different results, hence it's not accurate at all.

[Defcon2]

Different companies use different algorithms.

Yes, and different ethnic categories! for example in MH the Greeks and the Italians from the south belong to the same category, however in 23andme the Greeks are together with the other Balkan countries, and Italy is separated.

[Richmondbread]

Yes, and different ethnic categories! for example in MH the Greeks and the Italians from the south belong to the same category, however in 23andme the Greeks are together with the other Balkan countries, and Italy is separated.

A test admin admitted publicly that many of these tests are totally random and fabricated half the time.

[Luke35]

Don't agree with you about dna tests being no more accurate than horoscopes or fortune telling. As I recall 23andMe identified your 25% Lithuanian (Eastern Europe category, with Lithuania identified as a recent ancestor location), correct me if I'm wrong. I'd like to see the fortune teller who could look at your palm and tell you that.

In regards to collecting our dna, and said dna ending up where it shouldn't - I will unfortunately admit that is a distinct possibility.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

So you get different results, hence it's not accurate at all.

How Ancestry Composition Works
https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004339467-How-Ancestry-Composition-Works

[oszkar07]

A test admin admitted publicly that many of these tests are totally random and fabricated half the time.

They are for sure not 100% accurate but there is a certain degree of accuracy.
They can determine if the tester is Asian,European or African American,
Even with Europeans for eg they can determine the region of Europe eg if someone is from southern Europe or South East Europe or Scandinavia etc. That is already way more accurate information than the fortune teller analogy. Also they can be accurate with determining dna matches.
I have matched some close cousins that I hadnt known about and I was able to speak with them and work out through their names and there knowledge of family history how we were related.
I watched that twins clip already a few years ago actually my Dad showed it to me as a point of trying to tell me DNA testing is BS.
From memory the clip I recall watching My Heritage had given them the most consistant information from all the various companies they tried at that stage.

In my oppinion ethnicity testing isnt 100% accurate but I feel does provide a certain amount of information that is in general sense legitimate up to a point.

I think that we cant be guaranteed that our DNA data will remain completly private but for most of us I cant see why anyone in our lifetime would do anything significant with it that would be harmfull to us.
Perhaps there might be some sort of profiling done in a general sense but in the big scheme of things we are all small fish here I doubt there would be much interest in any of us on individual level.

[Adrianv2]

Not any more reliable than horoscopes, the technology you pay for at $100 , and you are duped into thinking you're getting an accurate reading! These things were all scams, and I'm scared now that they admitted to selling our DNA into the database. Now it's possible if they don't like certain groups such as Christians, they could use DNA to determine who to get rid of. Possibly, they could mix up DNA and end up wrongfully convicting someone of a crime! Why did we all for it and why were we so stupid? The tests are pure gimmicks. Why can't people wake up and smell the petunias? This was a scam.


BTW. I'm talking about ethnicity DNA tests, not real actual DNA.

My Dad knocked up a girl when he was in college. She left and he never saw her again. She had a daughter and she found our family through one of those DNA ancestry sites, so there has to be some accuracy to some of them.

[SouthDutch7991]

Not any more reliable than horoscopes, the technology you pay for at $100 , and you are duped into thinking you're getting an accurate reading! These things were all scams, and I'm scared now that they admitted to selling our DNA into the database. Now it's possible if they don't like certain groups such as Christians, they could use DNA to determine who to get rid of. Possibly, they could mix up DNA and end up wrongfully convicting someone of a crime! Why did we all for it and why were we so stupid? The tests are pure gimmicks. Why can't people wake up and smell the petunias? This was a scam.


BTW. I'm talking about ethnicity DNA tests, not real actual DNA.

They're very accurate on a broad level, population variation within Europe is enough that we simply cannot have a test that tells, for example, every Greek he is 100% Greek. When I see someone complaining that they got the wrong type of southern european or Scandinavian or whatever, it just seems silly to me. No one-time one-result test can tell you with perfect accuracy the exact breakdown of your ancestry by country, it's just not possible. It's amazing enough that its so cheap and easy to send in your DNA and get a fairly good estimate of where in Europe or the world your ancestors come from. Now, personally I think companies should show single result global PCA plotting, and I don't really know why they don't.

There are major issues with the precision accuracy, and customers will tend to be given a false sense of just how accurate they can be. You can see this on r/23andMe where users try to explain away percentages in the 10, 5, or 1 range. But it's far from a scam, and using K-cluster analysis and PCA tools with your raw results will give you very accurate results if you know how to use it.

[Richmondbread]

My Dad knocked up a girl when he was in college. She left and he never saw her again. She had a daughter and she found our family through one of those DNA ancestry sites, so there has to be some accuracy to some of them.

I'm talking ethnicity estimates, not DNA.

[gixajo]

Not any more reliable than horoscopes, the technology you pay for at $100 , and you are duped into thinking you're getting an accurate reading! These things were all scams, and I'm scared now that they admitted to selling our DNA into the database. Now it's possible if they don't like certain groups such as Christians, they could use DNA to determine who to get rid of. Possibly, they could mix up DNA and end up wrongfully convicting someone of a crime! Why did we all for it and why were we so stupid? The tests are pure gimmicks. Why can't people wake up and smell the petunias? This was a scam.


BTW. I'm talking about ethnicity DNA tests, not real actual DNA.

Yes.

Now they can develop for example a biological weapon that has an effect on certain ethnic groups.

Isn't science wonderful?:)

[Adrianv2]

I'm talking ethnicity estimates, not DNA.

You are Caucasian. Does it matter if some of your ancestry was on the other side of the Rhine....French not German?

[Richmondbread]

You are Caucasian. Does it matter if some of your ancestry was on the other side of the Rhine....French not German?

No , and that's not really my point.

[Rædwald]

You do realize they don't sequence your full genome for this right? Regardless any kind of weaponizing of genetics in regards to designing weapons for specific ethnic groups and so on could have been done easily without the resource of online ancestry databases.

[Richmondbread]

You do realize they don't sequence your full genome for this right? Regardless any kind of weaponizing of genetics in regards to designing weapons for specific ethnic groups and so on could have been done easily without the resource of online ancestry databases.

This is true. But, with the DNA tests they don't predict ancestry very well, however, they can and do lump your cousins matches all together. This makes it more convenient for them to categorize DNA for future purposes.

[Ellethwyn]

I've wanted to do one of these tests for years, but was too paranoid to give up my dna. I ended up saying fuck it and sent my spit away to 23andme last week. I hope they don't clone me:p or something, but I don't really care anymore. My husband was very resistant. Poor guy. I made him do it.

[Ellethwyn]

Ugh. I feel dirty now. I regret giving 23andme my dna.

[Luke35]

Ugh. I feel dirty now. I regret giving 23andme my dna.

I had them destroy my sample. And you can delete your account after you get your results, which is supposed to erase you from their database forever. Of course the cynic in me doubts the integrity of the company, but what are you gonna do?

Hey, I'm looking forward to your results, so selfishly I'm glad you did it. :)

On a side note, if your kits ended up going to the LA lab, I hear that the processing goes MUCH faster than the North Carolina lab. I believe that information can be found in your sample status timeline.

[Ellethwyn]

I had them destroy my sample. And you can delete your account after you get your results, which is supposed to erase you from their database forever. Of course the cynic in me doubts the integrity of the company, but what are you gonna do?

Hey, I'm looking forward to your results, so selfishly I'm glad you did it. :)

On a side note, if your kits ended up going to the LA lab, I hear that the processing goes MUCH faster than the North Carolina lab. I believe that information can be found in your sample status timeline.

They asked me if i want them to store it for up to 10 years. I declined that offer. Is that the same as having them destroy it? lol yeah i doubt their honesty.

That is great to hear the LA lab is faster. I am in WA, so i assume it's headed there.

ha! I'm glad you are looking forward to my results! That's awesome. I'm excited:]

[Luke35]

They asked me if i want them to store it for up to 10 years. I declined that offer. Is that the same as having them destroy it? lol yeah i doubt their honesty.

That is great to hear the LA lab is faster. I am in WA, so i assume it's headed there.

ha! I'm glad you are looking forward to my results! That's awesome. I'm excited:]

If you have declined the storage, then I believe the default is immediate destruction of your sample - that's how I remember it anyway. When I go to my settings now, I just see this:

'You have selected to not store your sample.'


I also declined consent to using my data for anything:

'You have revoked consent/declined the 23andMe Research Consent Document.'


And I took another look, nothing has changed, you can delete all your info as you see fit:

'Delete your 23andMe Personal Information, including Genetic Information and other information collected through your use of the Services.'


So perhaps knowing this info helps, at least just a little bit, to assuage your concerns.


I predict you will have you and your husband's results in 2-3 wks, surely your samples went to the LA lab.

[Richmondbread]

Ugh. I feel dirty now. I regret giving 23andme my dna.

There should be support groups for it.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

There should be support groups for it.

You're so dramatic.



They asked me if i want them to store it for up to 10 years. I declined that offer. Is that the same as having them destroy it? lol yeah i doubt their honesty.

That is great to hear the LA lab is faster. I am in WA, so i assume it's headed there.

ha! I'm glad you are looking forward to my results! That's awesome. I'm excited:]

Maybe we're related ;)

Although almost all my Iberian 5th cousins are Galicians and Portuguese. I've only had a few who were from other regions (a guy from Extremadura and another person from the Canary Islands).

[Hialt]

I think of it like this, if there is something my DNA code can contribute to the greater whole of humanity, then good, take it, have it, study it, share it. I'm not inclined to be protective, or selfish.
-this might qualify as Negro wisdom...