My G25 coords; distance, breakdown, and two-way

[SouthDutch7991]

I'm actually not very Dutch at all to my knowledge, even though my maternal grandma has a Dutch surname we're massive NW euromutts. But, seemingly, 300+ years in the new world has blurred my ancestry beyond the point of recognition. Although I should be very roughly half English, I very much doubt that the rest will be more than 5% from any one mega region of a single country. G25 does seem to like the Dutch for me.

SouthDutch_scaled,0.122929,0.135065,0.061848,0.038 114,0.044008,0.01255,0.003995,0.006692,0.005113,0. 007289,-0.006496,0.002248,-0.010258,-0.01101,0.015472,0.006629,-0.003129,-0.000253,0.004651,0.002251,0.008235,0.003833,0.001 602,0.008917,0.002395


Distance to: SouthDutch_scaled:AncestryDNA
0.01647729 Welsh
0.01679356 French_Brittany
0.01714784 Dutch
0.01817407 Afrikaner
0.01828431 German
0.01849434 English_Cornwall
0.01872883 English
0.01981588 Belgian
0.02094741 Scottish
0.02125801 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02188690 Orcadian
0.02332490 French_Nord
0.02361630 Danish
0.02495363 Irish
0.02629822 French_Alsace
0.02670362 French_Paris
0.02670768 Shetlandic
0.02782711 Norwegian
0.02949548 Icelandic
0.02983497 Swiss_German
0.03077797 Austrian
0.03080880 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03227907 Swedish
0.03695278 French_Occitanie
0.03732208 German_East


Target: SouthDutch_scaled
Distance: 0.0063% / 0.00626478 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.4 Dutch
21.1 Norwegian
17.5 Spanish_La_Rioja
13.3 Welsh
5.0 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.4 Yoruba
0.3 Biaka


Target: SouthDutch_scaled
Distance: 0.0102% / 0.01019876 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.5 Dutch
38.7 French_Pas-de-Calais
10.2 Afrikaner
1.6 Welsh


Distance to: SouthDutch_scaled
0.00806802 83.20% Dutch + 16.80% Spanish_La_Rioja
0.00967109 80.80% Dutch + 19.20% Spanish_Soria
0.00988550 77.60% Danish + 22.40% Spanish_La_Rioja
0.00998082 81.00% Dutch + 19.00% Spanish_Castello
0.01007555 80.20% Dutch + 19.80% Spanish_Cataluna
0.01027715 79.80% Dutch + 20.20% Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.01032408 57.60% Dutch + 42.40% French_Pas-de-Calais
0.01041311 83.20% Dutch + 16.80% Spanish_Murcia
0.01046360 76.00% Danish + 24.00% Spanish_Murcia
0.01052699 80.20% Dutch + 19.80% Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01053369 73.80% Danish + 26.20% Spanish_Castello
0.01055676 91.40% Dutch + 8.60% Sardinian
0.01055781 81.80% Dutch + 18.20% Spanish_Valencia
0.01061005 80.80% Dutch + 19.20% Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01062597 80.60% Dutch + 19.40% Spanish_Lleida
0.01065368 81.00% Dutch + 19.00% French_South
0.01069092 16.80% Basque_Spanish + 83.20% Dutch
0.01070133 81.80% Dutch + 18.20% Spanish_Pirineu
0.01070320 79.60% Dutch + 20.40% Spanish_Barcelones
0.01071917 81.40% Dutch + 18.60% Spanish_Cantabria
0.01072568 79.80% Dutch + 20.20% Spanish_Penedes
0.01072779 72.60% Dutch + 27.40% French_Occitanie
0.01075673 74.60% Dutch + 25.40% French_Auvergne
0.01081186 80.20% Dutch + 19.80% Spanish_Girona
0.01091886 83.00% Dutch + 17.00% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

[J. Ketch]

Global25 modern averages are inaccurate, and from what I remember you get commercial results in line with your paper trail, so it doesn't seem to have blurred your ancestry beyond recognition.

This is what my mother gets with the latest sheet from Eurogenes - she is from England and almost 100% English.


Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01852193 Dutch
0.01886201 Welsh
0.01985860 Danish
0.02053915 Norwegian
0.02105966 Scottish
0.02114182 English
0.02167288 Orcadian
0.02218829 Shetlandic
0.02226220 Irish
0.02288413 French_Brittany
0.02406696 English_Cornwall
0.02451632 German
0.02504237 Icelandic
0.02715396 German_Hamburg
0.02947700 Swedish
0.02953259 Afrikaner
0.03057618 BelgianA
0.03084277 German_Erlangen
0.03176566 BelgianB
0.03353733 French_Pas-de-Calais

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 0.0150% / 0.01504547 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.2 Norwegian
14.1 Welsh
11.4 Spanish_Soria
6.5 Slovakian
5.7 Shetlandic
3.1 Darginian

Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01582601 79.80% Norwegian + 20.20% Swiss_French
0.01627335 31.40% BelgianB + 68.60% Norwegian
0.01642958 17.20% Italian_Aosta_Valley + 82.80% Norwegian
0.01649319 10.80% Finnish_Southeast + 89.20% Welsh
0.01658106 17.20% French_Provence + 82.80% Norwegian
0.01659951 13.80% Italian_Veneto + 86.20% Norwegian
0.01662444 8.80% Finnish_East + 91.20% Welsh
0.01667679 85.20% Norwegian + 14.80% Spanish_Soria
0.01669842 75.60% Norwegian + 24.40% Swiss_German
0.01684365 86.80% Danish + 13.20% Spanish_Soria
0.01684686 28.80% French_Pas-de-Calais + 71.20% Norwegian
0.01685322 9.40% Italian_Lazio + 90.60% Norwegian
0.01686693 15.20% Italian_Northeast + 84.80% Norwegian
0.01687090 87.80% Norwegian + 12.20% Swiss_Italian
0.01688845 14.80% Slovakian + 85.20% Welsh
0.01689057 9.80% Italian_Umbria + 90.20% Norwegian
0.01689163 8.80% Greek_Izmir + 91.20% Norwegian
0.01690281 10.60% Italian_Tuscany + 89.40% Norwegian
0.01692022 83.20% Danish + 16.80% Swiss_French
0.01694410 25.20% French_Paris + 74.80% Norwegian


My father from Ireland - nearly 100% Irish.


Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02309102 Orcadian
0.02408025 Icelandic
0.02433498 Scottish
0.02581840 Irish
0.02731585 English_Cornwall
0.02732138 English
0.02807628 Danish
0.02918492 Norwegian
0.02929440 Welsh
0.02977876 Shetlandic
0.03085285 Dutch
0.03381089 French_Brittany
0.03427736 German_Hamburg
0.03524028 Swedish
0.03704789 BelgianA
0.03827258 German
0.04038099 Afrikaner
0.04068452 German_East
0.04293076 German_Erlangen
0.04534435 French_Seine-Maritime


Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 0.0218% / 0.02179911 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.0 Orcadian
26.0 Icelandic
7.0 Polish_Kashubian

Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02209012 90.00% Orcadian + 10.00% Polish_Kashubian
0.02218770 40.60% Icelandic + 59.40% Orcadian
0.02231192 6.20% Lithuanian_PZ + 93.80% Orcadian
0.02240163 6.20% Lithuanian_VZ + 93.80% Orcadian
0.02243923 7.80% Finnish_Southwest + 92.20% Orcadian
0.02270624 4.20% Latvian + 95.80% Orcadian
0.02270704 4.20% Lithuanian_SZ + 95.80% Orcadian
0.02271488 12.60% Polish_Kashubian + 87.40% Scottish
0.02280225 4.60% Belarusian + 95.40% Orcadian
0.02283019 83.40% Irish + 16.60% Polish_Kashubian
0.02286994 3.40% Finnish_North + 96.60% Orcadian
0.02287847 3.40% Lithuanian_RA + 96.60% Orcadian
0.02288901 52.40% Icelandic + 47.60% Scottish
0.02290147 3.60% Lithuanian_PA + 96.40% Orcadian
0.02290617 96.20% Orcadian + 3.80% Russian_Smolensk
0.02293849 3.00% Lithuanian_VA + 97.00% Orcadian
0.02294034 96.80% Orcadian + 3.20% Russian_Pskov
0.02295663 96.60% Orcadian + 3.40% Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02297045 8.20% Lithuanian_PZ + 91.80% Scottish
0.02297179 6.60% German_East + 93.40% Orcadian


So it's almost useless for differentiating monoethnic NW Europeans, let alone NW Euromutts. Davidski even admitted that to me when I first got it (his Celtic vs Germanic PCA is better though).

[SouthDutch7991]

Global25 modern averages are inaccurate, and from what I remember you get commercial results in line with your paper trail, so it doesn't seem to have blurred your ancestry beyond recognition.

This is what my mother gets with the latest sheet from Eurogenes - she is from England and almost 100% English.


Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01852193 Dutch
0.01886201 Welsh
0.01985860 Danish
0.02053915 Norwegian
0.02105966 Scottish
0.02114182 English
0.02167288 Orcadian
0.02218829 Shetlandic
0.02226220 Irish
0.02288413 French_Brittany
0.02406696 English_Cornwall
0.02451632 German
0.02504237 Icelandic
0.02715396 German_Hamburg
0.02947700 Swedish
0.02953259 Afrikaner
0.03057618 BelgianA
0.03084277 German_Erlangen
0.03176566 BelgianB
0.03353733 French_Pas-de-Calais

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 0.0150% / 0.01504547 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.2 Norwegian
14.1 Welsh
11.4 Spanish_Soria
6.5 Slovakian
5.7 Shetlandic
3.1 Darginian

Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01582601 79.80% Norwegian + 20.20% Swiss_French
0.01627335 31.40% BelgianB + 68.60% Norwegian
0.01642958 17.20% Italian_Aosta_Valley + 82.80% Norwegian
0.01649319 10.80% Finnish_Southeast + 89.20% Welsh
0.01658106 17.20% French_Provence + 82.80% Norwegian
0.01659951 13.80% Italian_Veneto + 86.20% Norwegian
0.01662444 8.80% Finnish_East + 91.20% Welsh
0.01667679 85.20% Norwegian + 14.80% Spanish_Soria
0.01669842 75.60% Norwegian + 24.40% Swiss_German
0.01684365 86.80% Danish + 13.20% Spanish_Soria
0.01684686 28.80% French_Pas-de-Calais + 71.20% Norwegian
0.01685322 9.40% Italian_Lazio + 90.60% Norwegian
0.01686693 15.20% Italian_Northeast + 84.80% Norwegian
0.01687090 87.80% Norwegian + 12.20% Swiss_Italian
0.01688845 14.80% Slovakian + 85.20% Welsh
0.01689057 9.80% Italian_Umbria + 90.20% Norwegian
0.01689163 8.80% Greek_Izmir + 91.20% Norwegian
0.01690281 10.60% Italian_Tuscany + 89.40% Norwegian
0.01692022 83.20% Danish + 16.80% Swiss_French
0.01694410 25.20% French_Paris + 74.80% Norwegian


My father from Ireland - nearly 100% Irish.


Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02309102 Orcadian
0.02408025 Icelandic
0.02433498 Scottish
0.02581840 Irish
0.02731585 English_Cornwall
0.02732138 English
0.02807628 Danish
0.02918492 Norwegian
0.02929440 Welsh
0.02977876 Shetlandic
0.03085285 Dutch
0.03381089 French_Brittany
0.03427736 German_Hamburg
0.03524028 Swedish
0.03704789 BelgianA
0.03827258 German
0.04038099 Afrikaner
0.04068452 German_East
0.04293076 German_Erlangen
0.04534435 French_Seine-Maritime


Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 0.0218% / 0.02179911 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.0 Orcadian
26.0 Icelandic
7.0 Polish_Kashubian

Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02209012 90.00% Orcadian + 10.00% Polish_Kashubian
0.02218770 40.60% Icelandic + 59.40% Orcadian
0.02231192 6.20% Lithuanian_PZ + 93.80% Orcadian
0.02240163 6.20% Lithuanian_VZ + 93.80% Orcadian
0.02243923 7.80% Finnish_Southwest + 92.20% Orcadian
0.02270624 4.20% Latvian + 95.80% Orcadian
0.02270704 4.20% Lithuanian_SZ + 95.80% Orcadian
0.02271488 12.60% Polish_Kashubian + 87.40% Scottish
0.02280225 4.60% Belarusian + 95.40% Orcadian
0.02283019 83.40% Irish + 16.60% Polish_Kashubian
0.02286994 3.40% Finnish_North + 96.60% Orcadian
0.02287847 3.40% Lithuanian_RA + 96.60% Orcadian
0.02288901 52.40% Icelandic + 47.60% Scottish
0.02290147 3.60% Lithuanian_PA + 96.40% Orcadian
0.02290617 96.20% Orcadian + 3.80% Russian_Smolensk
0.02293849 3.00% Lithuanian_VA + 97.00% Orcadian
0.02294034 96.80% Orcadian + 3.20% Russian_Pskov
0.02295663 96.60% Orcadian + 3.40% Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02297045 8.20% Lithuanian_PZ + 91.80% Scottish
0.02297179 6.60% German_East + 93.40% Orcadian


So it's almost useless for differentiating monoethnic NW Europeans, let alone NW Euromutts. Davidski even admitted that to me when I first got it (his Celtic vs Germanic PCA is better though).

Oh damn, that's good to know. Thanks for the informative post. So I guess you would say that G25 isn't useful for determining ancestry proportions if you already know what your family background is?

[J. Ketch]

Oh damn, that's good to know. Thanks for the informative post. So I guess you would say that G25 isn't useful for determining ancestry proportions if you already know what your family background is?
Yes, not really. The best use for it is modelling against ancient populations, but even then it's not perfect.

I made a new English average from users who've posted their results on here and Anthrogenica, which I think is a bit better than the current one.

English(n=13),0.131501219,0.137572469,0.060245094, 0.043142033,0.039949719,0.016640481,0.004332813,0. 006648813,0.005049188,0.005134034,-0.005379094,0.005231281,-0.012487438,-0.009685219,0.020290188,0.006074313,-0.007590781,0.002692063,0.002939774,0.003493781,0. 005349938,0.002390567,-0.001617594,0.013009839,-0.000149563

Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01852193 Dutch
0.01886201 Welsh
0.01925974 English(n=13)
0.01985860 Danish
0.02053915 Norwegian
0.02105966 Scottish
0.02114182 English
0.02167288 Orcadian
0.02218829 Shetlandic
0.02226220 Irish

Distance to: SouthDutch_scaled
0.01417250 Dutch
0.01621825 English(n=13)
0.01647729 Welsh
0.01679356 French_Brittany
0.01817407 Afrikaner
0.01828431 German
0.01849434 English_Cornwall
0.01872883 English
0.02027963 BelgianA
0.02094741 Scottish

[gixajo]

SouthDutch_scaled,0.122929,0.135065,0.061848,0.038 114,0.044008,0.01255,0.003995,0.006692,0.005113,0. 007289,-0.006496,0.002248,-0.010258,-0.01101,0.015472,0.006629,-0.003129,-0.000253,0.004651,0.002251,0.008235,0.003833,0.001 602,0.008917,0.002395


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Did you have several G25 coordinates from different Dna tests?

There is a "South_Dutch7991(American)" with different coordinates in the forum members G25 datasheet.

[SouthDutch7991]

Did you have several G25 coordinates from different Dna tests?

There is a "South_Dutch7991(American)" with different coordinates in the forum members G25 datasheet.

Yes, that other one was FTDNA. They're pretty different. I favor the one from Ancestry because I'm assuming it uses more SNPs if its like GEDmatch.

[SouthDutch7991]

Did you have several G25 coordinates from different Dna tests?

There is a "South_Dutch7991(American)" with different coordinates in the forum members G25 datasheet.


These are my two G25 coords

South_Dutch7991:FTDNA,0.122929,0.138112,0.061471,0 .03553,0.043393,0.015618,0.001175,0.010846,0.00531 8,0.01057,-0.007795,-0.002698,-0.005054,-0.007019,0.011672,0.008088,-0.000913,-0.00038,0.008673,-0.002626,0.006988,0.002597,0.003821,0.014098,0.003 233
South_Dutch7991:AncestryDNA,0.122929,0.135065,0.06 1848,0.038114,0.044008,0.01255,0.003995,0.006692,0 .005113,0.007289,-0.006496,0.002248,-0.010258,-0.01101,0.015472,0.006629,-0.003129,-0.000253,0.004651,0.002251,0.008235,0.003833,0.001 602,0.008917,0.002395

As you can see there is a large gap between them, for reasons I cannot explain.

[SouthDutch7991]

These are my results using the TA member averages ( with dutch average removed and yoruba added for the breakdown )
Way more consistent on the distance metric compared to Davidskis averages.


FAMILY TREE

Distance to: South_Dutch7991:FTDNA
0.02187694 English:n10
0.02317297 Dutch:n12
0.02743556 German:n2
0.03064870 Scottish:n3
0.03324299 French:n12
0.03560024 Irish:n9
0.04102203 Hungarian:n8
0.04500721 Croatian:n11
0.05627876 Serbian:n4
0.06115080 Moldovan:n2
0.06345058 Spanish:n12
0.06363094 Romanian:n6
0.06408542 Polish:n4
0.06540236 Ukrainian:n5
0.06821710 Portuguese:n11
0.07269508 Macedonian:n5
0.07982894 Italian:n7
0.08965845 Albanian:n7
0.12595258 Greek:n10
0.17951461 Lebanese:n2
0.24576729 Moroccan:n4


Target: South_Dutch7991:FTDNA
Distance: 1.6984% / 0.01698362 | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.2 English
15.2 French
11.6 Polish
6.0 Spanish
1.0 Yoruba


Target: South_Dutch7991:FTDNA
Distance: 1.7518% / 0.01751790 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.0 English
18.8 French
12.2 Hungarian
6.2 German
0.8 Yoruba


ANCESTRY

Distance to: South_Dutch7991:AncestryDNA
0.01533063 English:n10
0.01664723 Dutch:n12
0.02425220 Scottish:n3
0.02436779 German:n2
0.02875844 Irish:n9
0.03171207 French:n12
0.04334840 Hungarian:n8
0.04785522 Croatian:n11
0.06046386 Serbian:n4
0.06337477 Moldovan:n2
0.06354219 Spanish:n12
0.06664250 Polish:n4
0.06704854 Ukrainian:n5
0.06715337 Romanian:n6
0.06806550 Portuguese:n11
0.07630283 Macedonian:n5
0.08213637 Italian:n7
0.09297542 Albanian:n7
0.12824864 Greek:n10
0.18117974 Lebanese:n2
0.24663211 Moroccan:n4


Target: South_Dutch7991:AncestryDNA
Distance: 1.1210% / 0.01121049 | ADC: 0.25x RC
79.6 English
10.4 German
7.8 Spanish
1.4 Moldovan
0.8 Yoruba


Target: South_Dutch7991:AncestryDNA
Distance: 1.1342% / 0.01134177 | ADC: 0.5x RC
76.2 English
14.2 French
8.6 German
1.0 Yoruba

With only English, Irish, Scottish, German, and French. In this case 0.25x and 0.5x Add Dist Col were the same for both:

Target: South_Dutch7991:FTDNA
Distance: 1.8128% / 0.01812839 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.8 English
19.4 French
14.8 German
1.0 Yoruba


Target: South_Dutch7991:AncestryDNA
Distance: 1.1342% / 0.01134177 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.2 English
14.2 French
8.6 German
1.0 Yoruba