Greek from Elis (Western Peloponnese) Gedmatch results [Myheritage test]

[lacreme]

These are the results (Myheritage test) of my friend's* paternal grandmother from Elis.

*
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?312446-Lacreme-s-gedmatch


What do you think about her results? Supposedly her village (right on the borders with Arcadia) is an old mix of Arcadian migrants from the vicinity of modern day municipality of Gortynia and local people from Elis.
I'll post the results from Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b but I can provide any additional calc requested.

Eurogenes K13

Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece),22.69,9.7 2,22.79,9.8,27.71,5.11,0,0.44,0,0,0.43,0,1.3

Updated (from a so-called "bigger" regions list)


Distance to: Target
5.18147662 Italian_Center
5.37254130 Greek_Lefkada
6.67935626 Greek_Euboea_South
7.00201400 Italian_South
7.46105891 Greek_Athens
7.56601612 Greek_Laconia_Karitsa
7.71033722 Greek_Kefalonia
7.73669180 Greek_Laconia
7.78909494 Greek_Cyclades
8.05455772 Greek_Messenia
8.15559317 Greek_Peloponnese
8.20067070 Greek_Arcadia
8.31792041 Greek_Tsakonia
8.38233261 Greek_Central
8.45858144 Greek_Southeast_Laconia
8.71135466 French_Corsica
8.92127794 Greek_Thessaly
9.23055795 Greek_Smyrna&Phokaia
9.37981343 Albanian
9.43618567 Greek_Andros
9.47082362 Maltese
9.59629095 Torbesh
9.77308549 Greek_Samos
10.17901763 Italian_North
10.28330200 Greek_Epirus
10.62208078 Greek_Deep_Mani
10.67664741 Greek_Achaea
10.89881645 Greek_CentralMacedonia
11.31129966 Greek_Thrace
11.45946334 Greek_Kythera
11.55190460 Greek_West
11.75605376 Turkish_Crete
11.78731946 Jew_Ashkenazi
11.94018425 Aromanian
12.40789265 Jew_Moldova
12.92159433 Greek_Florina
13.03174202 Turkish_Macedonia
13.25502546 Greek_Lesbos
13.63235856 North_Macedonian
13.79708665 Greek_Ikaria
13.82544394 Jew_Morroco
13.88966522 Greek_Crete
14.60742962 Greek_Nisyros
15.06501577 Jew_Italy
15.13013219 Greek_Chios
15.27566692 Jew_Sephardi
15.51565661 Jew_Algeria
16.04220371 Greek_Kalymnos
16.26384948 Bulgarian_Eastern
16.47618585 Italian_North_Alpine





Distance to: Target
1.84783185 76.40% Italian_North + 23.60% Samaritan
1.92863689 77.20% Italian_North + 22.80% Lebanese_Christian
1.97476812 69.80% Greek_Deep_Mani + 30.20% Spanish_Valencia
2.02588610 48.20% Italian_North + 51.80% Maltese
2.05070752 71.00% Italian_Center + 29.00% Jew_Ashkenazi
2.05969957 68.40% Greek_Deep_Mani + 31.60% Portuguese
2.06528997 72.40% Greek_Andros + 27.60% Spanish_Galicia
2.10814816 70.60% Greek_Deep_Mani + 29.40% Spanish_Castile-León
2.11103799 69.20% Greek_Deep_Mani + 30.80% Spanish_Murcia
2.15124864 52.00% Greek_Andros + 48.00% Italian_North


Updated (from a so-called "smaller" regions list)


Distance to: Target
4.35004598 Italian_Marche
4.62371063 Italian_Lazio
5.13150076 Italian_Abruzzo
5.30293315 Italian_Umbria
5.37254130 Greek_Lefkada
5.53175379 Italian_Romagna
5.74773869 Italian_Molise
6.09523584 Italian_Basilicata
6.67935626 Greek_Euboea_South
6.72037945 Italian_Apulia
6.81139486 Albanian_Catholic_Mirdite
6.94587647 Italian_Sicily
6.97529928 Albanian_South_Albania
7.27714917 Italian_Tuscany
7.46105891 Greek_Athens
7.56601612 Greek_Laconia_Karitsa
7.71033722 Greek_Kefalonia
7.73669180 Greek_Laconia
7.78909494 Greek_Cyclades
8.05455772 Greek_Messenia
8.15559317 Greek_Peloponnese
8.20067070 Greek_Arcadia
8.31792041 Greek_Tsakonia
8.38233261 Greek_Central
8.39858917 Italian_Campania
8.71135466 French_Corsica
8.71950113 Albanian_Central_Albania
8.92127794 Greek_Thessaly
9.23055795 Greek_Smyrna&Phokaia
9.43618567 Greek_Andros
9.47082362 Maltese
9.59629095 Torbesh
9.77308549 Greek_Samos
9.89261341 Albanian_Macedonia
10.23190598 Albanian_North_Albania
10.28330200 Greek_Epirus
10.29805321 Italian_Emilia
10.62208078 Greek_Deep_Mani
10.62833007 Albanian_Kosovo
10.67664741 Greek_Achaea
10.89881645 Greek_CentralMacedonia
11.29599487 Italian_Calabria
11.30096014 Italian_Liguria
11.45946334 Greek_Kythera
11.55190460 Greek_West
11.75605376 Turkish_Crete
11.78731946 Jew_Ashkenazi
11.89131616 Greek_Istanbul
12.07177700 Macedonian_South
12.85616973 Aromanian




Distance to: Target
1.76500765 40.00% Italian_Lombardy + 60.00% Maltese
1.88101156 62.40% Italian_Tuscany + 37.60% Jew_Ashkenazi
1.90182931 42.60% Cypriot_Greek + 57.40% Swiss_Italian
1.96103953 67.00% Maltese + 33.00% Swiss_Italian
1.97210323 74.20% Italian_Romagna + 25.80% Jew_Italy
1.97476812 69.80% Greek_Deep_Mani + 30.20% Spanish_Valencia
1.99467659 62.80% Greek_Andros + 37.20% Italian_Piedmont
2.00009586 62.80% Italian_Calabria + 37.20% Swiss_Italian
2.00501781 57.00% Italian_Tuscany + 43.00% Maltese
2.02550276 43.20% Greek_Andros + 56.80% Italian_Tuscany


Dodecad K12b follows...

[lacreme]

Dodecad K12b

Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece),4.7,0,4.5 7,1.22,30.31,18.59,0,0,9.73,0,30.87,0


Updated


Distance to: Target
4.14055552 Italian_Lazio
4.40580118 Italian_Marche
4.86326022 Italian_Abruzzo
5.15618076 Italian_Umbria
5.97554182 Greek_Athens
6.02696441 Greek_Central
6.15208908 Italian_Molise
6.24834378 Italian_Apulia
6.71248091 Albanian
6.96624720 Greek_Peloponnese
7.00835929 Italian_Romagna
7.37714715 Italian_Campania
7.40011486 Italian_Basilicata
7.48485805 Italian_Sicily
7.63854044 Greek_Thrace
7.81478727 Greek_Foca
7.89128633 Greek_Thessaly
8.28492607 Greek_Lemnos
8.29912044 Greek_Thessaloniki
9.46247853 Ashkenazi_Jew
9.55691373 Moldovan_Jewish
9.87490253 Albanian_Kosovo
10.04188229 Italian_Tuscany
10.10305894 Bulgarian_Thrace
10.23052785 Italian_Calabria
10.97425168 Greek_Izmir
11.10976147 French_Corsica
11.27520288 Macedonian_South
11.30713934 Turk_Makedonya
11.62974634 Italian_Emilia
11.64911585 Greek_Fournoi
12.09886358 Italian_Liguria
12.11238209 Macedonian_Vardar
12.52337814 Greek_Macedonia
13.02841510 Greek_Crete
13.62007342 Macedonian_East
13.78686331 Italian_Jew
13.89506747 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
14.17207113 Macedonian_Polog
14.18472770 Turk_Trakya
14.36809312 Moldovan_Gagauz
14.44318524 Bulgarian_East
14.47163778 Italian_Veneto
14.67326140 Greek_Icaria
14.87985215 Italian_Lombardy
14.89014439 Italian_Piedmont
15.52592670 Italian_Friuli_VG
15.62040652 Greek_Kos
15.79975316 Turk_Deliorman
16.16860538 Bulgarian_Central




Distance to: Target
2.36458164 39.40% Italian_Veneto + 60.60% Moldovan_Jewish
2.37726601 38.60% Italian_Lombardy + 61.40% Moldovan_Jewish
2.42206775 41.40% Austrian_Tyrol + 58.60% Sephardic_Jew
2.47837720 66.00% Moldovan_Jewish + 34.00% Swiss_Italian
2.52961591 67.20% Italian_Umbria + 32.80% Moldovan_Jewish
2.54678242 61.00% Ashkenazi_Jew + 39.00% Italian_Veneto
2.60137933 67.80% Greek_Izmir + 32.20% Portuguese
2.63363860 43.80% Italian_Liguria + 56.20% Moldovan_Jewish
2.65050262 58.60% Italian_Romagna + 41.40% Moldovan_Jewish
2.70987193 44.80% Italian_Emilia + 55.20% Moldovan_Jewish

[Hithaeglir]

Which village in Gortynia is she from?

[lacreme]

Which village in Gortynia is she from?

She's from Elis, right on the borders with the Gortynia municipality of Arcadia.
Her village is called Aspra Spitia.

[Hithaeglir]

She's from Elis, right on the borders with the Gortynia municipality of Arcadia.
Her village is called Aspra Spitia.

Thanks for clarifying. My mom has ancestry from Lagkadia, which is sort of close, that's why I asked :)

[lacreme]

Thanks for clarifying. My mom has ancestry from Lagkadia, which is sort of close, that's why I asked :)

My friend always passes through Lagkadia (and stops for a coffee) when going to his grandmother's village, it's a must :)

[Avgvstvs]

That person is probably close to me.

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[lacreme]

That person is probably close to me.

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Can you share your coordinates on these 2 calcs ?

[Avgvstvs]

Can you share your coordinates on these 2 calcs ?Eurogenes k13:

North_Atlantic26.86 Pct

Baltic7.38 Pct

West_Med25.16 Pct

West_Asian11.19 Pct

East_Med23.94 Pct

Red_Sea4.22 Pct

South_Asian-

East_Asian-

Siberian-

Amerindian1.02 Pct

Oceanian0.12 Pct

Northeast_African0.11 Pct

Sub-Saharan-


Dodecanese kb12:

Gedrosia7.88 Pct

Siberian-

Northwest_African1.32 Pct

Southeast_Asian0.26 Pct

Atlantic_Med35.64 Pct

North_European18.35 Pct

South_Asian-

East_African-

Southwest_Asian9.14 Pct

East_Asian-

Caucasus27.41 Pct

Sub_Saharan-

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[Arzanene]

Target: Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)
Distance: 1.8807% / 1.88074313 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.5 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
24.6 Norwegian_Southcentral
20.1 Greek_Chios
5.8 Mozabite

Target: Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)
Distance: 3.5423% / 3.54232283 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.6 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
27.4 Norwegian_Southcentral

Target: Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)
Distance: 1.2880% / 1.28798638 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.7 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
29.1 Norwegian_Southcentral
12.8 Lebanese_Christian
3.4 Mozabite

High indo euro admixture. some of the highest i've seen from Peloponnesian region.

[lacreme]

Eurogenes k13:

North_Atlantic26.86 Pct

Baltic7.38 Pct

West_Med25.16 Pct

West_Asian11.19 Pct

East_Med23.94 Pct

Red_Sea4.22 Pct

South_Asian-

East_Asian-

Siberian-

Amerindian1.02 Pct

Oceanian0.12 Pct

Northeast_African0.11 Pct

Sub-Saharan-


Dodecanese kb12:

Gedrosia7.88 Pct

Siberian-

Northwest_African1.32 Pct

Southeast_Asian0.26 Pct

Atlantic_Med35.64 Pct

North_European18.35 Pct

South_Asian-

East_African-

Southwest_Asian9.14 Pct

East_Asian-

Caucasus27.41 Pct

Sub_Saharan-

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Distance to: Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)_K13
3.50944440 Corvo(Italian)
4.91951217 giulioimpa(Italian)
4.96097773 Principe_Azzurro(Italian)
5.56777334 donriccardo(Italian)
5.69846471 Geni(Albanian)
5.70773160 Argentano(Argentine)
5.98117881 Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
6.12694867 AK-47(Jew)
6.16163939 Übermensch(Italian)
6.52190923 Andrea(Italian)
6.63884779 XK1997(Greek)
6.81139486 Illyrius(Albanian)
6.96065370 Avgvstvs(Italian)
7.26622323 GiCa(Italian)
7.49335706 Kleenex(Greek)
7.84792329 crazyladybutterfly(Italian)
8.11323610 hithaeglir(Greek)
8.14713447 Ylla(Albanian)
8.23706865 DRUM(Albanian)
8.62484782 Ajeje_Brazorf(Italian)
8.87839513 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
8.91669782 Kenshiro(Italian)
9.08283546 Xripkan(Greek)
9.11955591 matmondo(Italian)
9.28204180 manu1515(Italian)
9.29104946 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
9.30510613 ModernMaskil(Jew)
9.33774063 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
9.36961579 HellLander87(Greek)
9.39366808 Hamlet(Jew)
9.43031813 Dorian(Greek)
9.47246536 Markos(Greek)
9.56400544 Catgeorge(Greek)
9.68638736 Hulu(Albanian)
9.79171589 Thrax(Greek)
9.97295844 SUPREEEEEME(Jew)
10.12250463 pmv74(Italian)
10.16721201 Rafael_Passoni(Brazilian)
10.22621631 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
10.38433917 peloponnesian(Greek)
10.43791646 Anxiety_Adept(Albanian)
10.55186239 Maleficent(Palestinian-American)
10.63464621 Voskos(Greek)
10.78601409 Hulu_brother(Albanian)
10.84854368 rafael_mom(Italian-French)
10.87465402 IceT(Albanian)
10.88342777 Longbowman(Jew)
10.91676234 Dibran(Albanian)
11.18296919 Valerio_Tadici(Italian)
11.53334730 Dukagjini(Albanian)



Target: Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)
Distance: 1.8807% / 1.88074313 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.5 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
24.6 Norwegian_Southcentral
20.1 Greek_Chios
5.8 Mozabite

Target: Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)
Distance: 3.5423% / 3.54232283 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.6 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
27.4 Norwegian_Southcentral

Target: Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)
Distance: 1.2880% / 1.28798638 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.7 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
29.1 Norwegian_Southcentral
12.8 Lebanese_Christian
3.4 Mozabite

High indo euro admixture. some of the highest i've seen from Peloponnesian region.

Any possible reason for it ?

Originally I thought she would be (even) more ? arvanite-like due to the migratory history of the surrounding area (eastern Elis, western Arcadia) like his non biological maternal grandfather from Achaia yet her results show a possible additional/preserved amount of Eastern Arcadia-like signal that further inland ? I think ?

[Avgvstvs]

Distance to:Chris_paternal_grandmother_(Elis_Greece)_K13
3.50944440Corvo(Italian)
4.91951217giulioimpa(Italian)
4.96097773Principe_Azzurro(Italian)
5.56777334donriccardo(Italian)
5.69846471Geni(Albanian)
5.70773160Argentano(Argentine)
5.98117881Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
6.12694867AK-47(Jew)
6.16163939Übermensch(Italian)
6.52190923Andrea(Italian)
6.63884779XK1997(Greek)
6.81139486Illyrius(Albanian)
6.96065370Avgvstvs(Italian)
7.26622323GiCa(Italian)
7.49335706Kleenex(Greek)
7.84792329crazyladybutterfly(Italian)
8.11323610hithaeglir(Greek)
8.14713447Ylla(Albanian)
8.23706865DRUM(Albanian)
8.62484782Ajeje_Brazorf(Italian)
8.87839513Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
8.91669782Kenshiro(Italian)
9.08283546Xripkan(Greek)
9.11955591matmondo(Italian)
9.28204180manu1515(Italian)
9.29104946Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
9.30510613ModernMaskil(Jew)
9.33774063Chris_grandpa(Greek)
9.36961579HellLander87(Greek)
9.39366808Hamlet(Jew)
9.43031813Dorian(Greek)
9.47246536Markos(Greek)
9.56400544Catgeorge(Greek)
9.68638736Hulu(Albanian)
9.79171589Thrax(Greek)
9.97295844SUPREEEEEME(Jew)
10.12250463pmv74(Italian)
10.16721201Rafael_Passoni(Brazilian)
10.22621631Drawing_slim(Albanian)
10.38433917peloponnesian(Greek)
10.43791646Anxiety_Adept(Albanian)
10.55186239Maleficent(Palestinian-American)
10.63464621Voskos(Greek)
10.78601409Hulu_brother(Albanian)
10.84854368rafael_mom(Italian-French)
10.87465402IceT(Albanian)
10.88342777Longbowman(Jew)
10.91676234Dibran(Albanian)
11.18296919Valerio_Tadici(Italian)
11.53334730Dukagjini(Albanian)




Any possible reason for it ?

Originally I thought she would be (even) more ? arvanite-like due to the migratory history of the surrounding area (eastern Elis, western Arcadia) like his non biological maternal grandfather from Achaia yet her results show a possible additional/preserved amount of Eastern Arcadia-like signal that further inland ? I think ?So he's closer to south italians than to me

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[Zeno]

She's from Elis, right on the borders with the Gortynia municipality of Arcadia.
Her village is called Aspra Spitia.

Holy fucking shit, my village is veeery close to hers, plus that one of my two barbers is from Aspra Spitia.

[lacreme]

Holy fucking shit, my village is veeery close to hers, plus that one of my two barbers is from Aspra Spitia.

Oh wow!
Towards archaia olympia like Vasilaki or towards the Arcadian side (Tripotamia etc... ) ?

Really? What's your barber's surname ?

[Ayetooey]

Quite western shifted. Relatively different to nearby Arcadians.

[Zeno]

Oh wow!
Towards archaia olympia like Vasilaki or towards the Arcadian side (Tripotamia etc... ) ?

Really? What's your barber's surname ?

Towards Ancient Olympia. Don't know my barber's surname.

[Dorian]

Kinda resembles the mirdite but mirdite has higher west asian and he east med.What's the background of those villages ,if it is known?like are there stories of being settled from other areas or specific tribes?

[lacreme]

Kinda resembles the mirdite but mirdite has higher west asian and he east med.What's the background of those villages ,if it is known?like are there stories of being settled from other areas or specific tribes?

There was a mention on the history of the village on a now defunct blog...
Basically it boils down to a mix of migrants from the nearby area of the modern day Gortynia municipality of Arcadia with some local Elis people and some migrants from other areas of Greece.

[Roy]

She looks like a Greek devoided of any genetic input from medieval Slavs.