How GedrosiaDNA ancient Eurasian K6 compares to g25 gold

[Tongio]

I see all you guys with these fancy g25 davidski Goldberg standart, i dont have money for that so i am asking myself if are these results from gedrosia somewhat insightful in trying to figure out the beloved Anatolian/steppe/WHG ratios,if you guys could try and compare your results with g25 it would be interesting.
Paste on source of Gedrosia Ancient Eurasian K6:


Anatolia_Neolithic,1.90,0.00,0.00,36.44,61.46,0.20
Han,0.10,1.70,98.00,0.10,0.10,0.00
Onge,0.10,86.89,13.01,0.00,0.00,0.00
Paniyas,24.50,47.70,17.80,0.00,8.90,1.10
Papuan,0.00,100.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Yoruba,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,100.00
Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian,12.50,17.30,9.80,36.30,1 7.80,6.30
Steppe_Eneolithic,39.64,7.31,0.90,44.14,7.61,0.40
WHG,0.00,0.00,0.00,100.00,0.00,0.00
Levant_Neolithic,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,100.00,0.00

These are my results without levant neolithic:
target:Tongio_Tongetamo
Distance: 3.5718% / 3.57183391 | R7P
58.6 Anatolia_N
35.1 Steppe_Eneolithic
6.3 Yoruba

My WHG was not showing up till i add the levant n.So you guys feel free to take it out.

target:Tongio_Tongetamo
Distance: 3.2277% / 3.22769125 | R7P
39.0 Steppe_Eneolithic
22.8 Levant_Neolithic
21.7 Anatolia_Neolithic
10.3 WHG
6.2 Yoruba

[Defcon2]

Target: Defcon2
Distance: 3.6331% / 3.63309703
42.4 Steppe_Eneolithic
25.7 Levant_Neolithic
23.3 Anatolia_Neolithic
8.3 WHG
0.3 Yoruba

[Tongio]

Target: Defcon2
Distance: 3.6331% / 3.63309703
42.4 Steppe_Eneolithic
25.7 Levant_Neolithic
23.3 Anatolia_Neolithic
8.3 WHG
0.3 Yoruba

Gracias hermano:thumb001:

[Rafael Passoni]

Me:
Distance to: rafael
21.92922935 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.11529129 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
44.96580812 Steppe_Eneolithic
69.87503918 Levant_Neolithic
74.22412748 Paniyas
76.64542452 WHG
107.25934598 Onge
115.65260525 Han
117.05776822 Yoruba
117.42453364 Papuan

Target: rafael
Distance: 303.7937% / 3.03793704
34.8 Steppe_Eneolithic
29.8 Levant_Neolithic
18.6 Anatolia_Neolithic
16.8 WHG

[AndreAndre]

Target: result
Distance: 5.3665% / 5.36650792 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.0 Anatolia_N
36.3 Steppe_Eneolithic
14.7 SHG

Using Gedrosia calculator

Target: AndreiK_scaled
Distance: 0.0658% / 0.06576391
53.3 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
26.8 TUR_Barcin_N
15.6 WHG
2.5 Nganassan
1.8 Han

Using G25 calculator

[Tongio]

Target: result
Distance: 5.3665% / 5.36650792 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.0 Anatolia_N
36.3 Steppe_Eneolithic
14.7 SHG

Using Gedrosia calculator

Target: AndreiK_scaled
Distance: 0.0658% / 0.06576391
53.3 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
26.8 TUR_Barcin_N
15.6 WHG
2.5 Nganassan
1.8 Han

Using G25 calculator

Shit that seems like a big diference, but try replacing the original source tab with the one i put in my first comment , the SHG might be distorting things.

[AndreAndre]

Shit that seems like a big diference, but try replacing the original source tab with the one i put in my first comment , the SHG might be distorting things.
Oh yeah sorry i didn't notice u included that
Target: result
Distance: 3.2004% / 3.20036107
38.5 Steppe_Eneolithic
24.3 Anatolia_Neolithic
19.4 WHG
13.9 Levant_Neolithic
3.9 Han

Looks a bit closer to reality

[Tongio]

Distance to: rafael
21.92922935 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.11529129 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
44.96580812 Steppe_Eneolithic
69.87503918 Levant_Neolithic
74.22412748 Paniyas
76.64542452 WHG
107.25934598 Onge
115.65260525 Han
117.05776822 Yoruba
117.42453364 Papuan

Target: rafael
Distance: 303.7937% / 3.03793704
34.8 Steppe_Eneolithic
29.8 Levant_Neolithic
18.6 Anatolia_Neolithic
16.8 WHG

How would you score without the levant neolithic? I honestly wonder If that anatolian farmer sample is a good reference, i did not know they had so much WHG.

[Tongio]

Oh yeah sorry i didn't notice u included that
Target: result
Distance: 3.2004% / 3.20036107
38.5 Steppe_Eneolithic
24.3 Anatolia_Neolithic
19.4 WHG
13.9 Levant_Neolithic
3.9 Han

Looks a bit closer to reality

Yes, seems better, but still strange i expected your steppe to be at least around 50%it was reduced in oposite to what happened with all Iberians here .Quite high WHG tho.Vahaduo is not trustworth , lol but at least gives us some perspective.

[Rafael Passoni]

My mom:
Distance to: rafael_mom
25.24272767 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.13731829 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
42.81204854 Steppe_Eneolithic
69.30317814 Levant_Neolithic
71.36426627 Paniyas
80.60353900 WHG
106.29239248 Onge
114.76055289 Han
115.97814665 Yoruba
116.54583004 Papuan

Target: rafael_mom
Distance: 390.5892% / 3.90589168
45.2 Steppe_Eneolithic
24.6 Levant_Neolithic
24.4 Anatolia_Neolithic
5.8 WHG
Without Levant Neolithic:
Distance to: rafael_mom
25.24272767 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.13731829 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
42.81204854 Steppe_Eneolithic
71.36426627 Paniyas
80.60353900 WHG
106.29239248 Onge
114.76055289 Han
115.97814665 Yoruba
116.54583004 Papuan
Target: rafael_mom
Distance: 670.5077% / 6.70507689
63.4 Anatolia_Neolithic
36.2 Steppe_Eneolithic
0.4 Yoruba

[Rafael Passoni]

Me without Levant Neolithic:

Distance to: rafael
21.92922935 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.11529129 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
44.96580812 Steppe_Eneolithic
74.22412748 Paniyas
76.64542452 WHG
107.25934598 Onge
115.65260525 Han
117.05776822 Yoruba
117.42453364 Papuan
Target: rafael
Distance: 286.3082% / 2.86308151
67.4 Anatolia_Neolithic
32.6 Steppe_Eneolithic

[Tongio]

Distance to: rafael_mom
25.24272767 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.13731829 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
42.81204854 Steppe_Eneolithic
69.30317814 Levant_Neolithic
71.36426627 Paniyas
80.60353900 WHG
106.29239248 Onge
114.76055289 Han
115.97814665 Yoruba
116.54583004 Papuan

Target: rafael_mom
Distance: 670.5077% / 6.70507689
63.4 Anatolia_Neolithic
36.2 Steppe_Eneolithic
0.4 Yoruba

Same problem, with no neolithic levant reference the WHG doesn't show up, but I guess its safe to assume its less or more 10% for us , and that would lower the steppe and the neolithic in some way.

[Rafael Passoni]

My dad
Distance to: rafael_dad
22.91527656 Anatolia_Neolithic
33.25961966 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
44.02680661 Steppe_Eneolithic
70.22605143 Levant_Neolithic
73.25089965 Paniyas
76.99154694 WHG
106.68060883 Onge
115.03632600 Han
115.73114663 Yoruba
116.90893165 Papuan

Target: rafael_dad
Distance: 309.2003% / 3.09200315
36.6 Steppe_Eneolithic
25.8 Levant_Neolithic
23.6 Anatolia_Neolithic
13.4 WHG
0.6 Yoruba
My dad without Levant Neolithic:
Distance to: Rafael_dad
22.91527656 Anatolia_Neolithic
33.25961966 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
44.02680661 Steppe_Eneolithic
73.25089965 Paniyas
76.99154694 WHG
106.68060883 Onge
115.03632600 Han
115.73114663 Yoruba
116.90893165 Papuan
Target: Rafael_dad
Distance: 303.9264% / 3.03926437
65.8 Anatolia_Neolithic
33.6 Steppe_Eneolithic
0.6 Yoruba

[Petalpusher]

It can't make good fits with the Steppe Eneolithic having 7.31% Papuan. You need other types of Steppe, the ones closer to Europe, more MN-LN blended, less Oceanian admixed. Also paleo Goyet is useless here (that branch died out somehow)

[Tongio]

It can't make good fits with the Steppe Eneolithic having 7.31% Papuan. You need other types of Steppe, the ones closer to Europe, more MN-LN blended, less Oceanian admixed. Also paleo Goyet is useless here (that branch died out somehow)
Lol i havent noticed that, i was afraid of using the metal ages ones because of western/anatolian input in them , so it was coming a bit to high.The older they have is this weird eneolithic /copper age one.

[Petalpusher]

Lol i havent noticed that, i was afraid of using the metal ages ones because of western/anatolian input in them , so it was coming a bit to high.

It's always the problem, finding a balance between having a very "ancient" calc, or having something too modern that has a lot of overlap. In a way that BB and CW are already MN/LN admixed (lots of neo and WHG stuff, even the EN is +1/3 WHG) and considering the Steppe that got into Europe was also made of CHG/Iran_N stuff (the most basal thing you can find).

The main issue is we still don't have a really good basal eurasian sample to make things easier.

[Tongio]

It's always the problem, finding a balance between having a very "ancient" calc, or having something too modern that has a lot of overlap. In a way that BB and CW are already MN/LN admixed (lots of neo and WHG stuff, even the EN is +1/3 WHG) and considering the Steppe that got into Europe was also made of CHG/Iran_N stuff (the most basal thing you can find).

The main issue is we still don't have a really good basal eurasian sample to make things easier.

Yes i agree, anyway i wonder where that papuan - like comes from , quite strange , the bronze age steppe ones both have 2% of it, the CHGs also have it, beetwen 5 and almost 8%.

[Petalpusher]

Yes i agree, anyway i wonder where that papuan - like comes from , quite strange , the bronze age steppe ones both have 2% of it, the CHGs also have it, beetwen 5 and almost 8%.

Same thing that is present in central & south Asia today. ANE back then was like that too (MA1 Malt'a here):

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q9bH8cZ/2014-Seguin-Figure1-B.jpg

If you replace the steppe eneolithic with steppe EMBA it fits a bit better, EMBA is still beyond noise on the Oceanian (2.40%) but it penalizes the model less for you not scoring Papuan/Onge stuff. On the other hand it's already a bit of an Europe Neo/WHG/Yamnaya like blend, which lowered the Oceanian, thus closer to what actually came into Europe, for most people.

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 1.5296% / 1.52960694
45.4 Anatolia_N
41.7 Steppe_EMBA
12.9 WHG

Steppe_EMBA,40.92,2.40,1.10,33.93,21.16,0.50


You would probably need those two as well, with or without Levant_N
Taforalt,3.15,2.8,2.80,14.19,35.48,41.58
Iran_N,39.40,5.30,1.60,6.40,45.10,2.20

[Rafael Passoni]

Replacing the steppe eneolithic with steppe EMBA and adding Taforalt and Iran_N:

Distance to: Rafael
21.92922935 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.11529129 Goyet(Belgium)_gravettian
35.10178058 Steppe_EMBA
41.31008473 Iran_N
50.86332962 Taforalt
69.87503918 Levant_Neolithic
74.22412748 Paniyas
76.64542452 WHG
107.25934598 Onge
115.65260525 Han
117.05776822 Yoruba
117.42453364 Papuan

Target: Rafael
Distance: 116.1363% / 1.16136262
36.4 Steppe_EMBA
30.2 Levant_Neolithic
23.2 WHG
10.2 Anatolia_Neolithic

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace
Distance: 220.0456% / 2.20045631
49.4 Steppe_Eneolithic
19.8 Anatolia_Neolithic
17.2 Levant_Neolithic
13.6 WHG

Using G25

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 0.0483% / 0.04825957
50.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.3 TUR_Barcin_N
15.5 WHG

[Tongio]

Same thing that is present in central & south Asia today. ANE back then was like that too (MA1 Malt'a here):

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q9bH8cZ/2014-Seguin-Figure1-B.jpg

If you replace the steppe eneolithic with steppe EMBA it fits a bit better, EMBA is still beyond noise on the Oceanian (2.40%) but it penalizes the model less for you not scoring Papuan/Onge stuff. On the other hand it's already a bit of an Europe Neo/WHG/Yamnaya like blend, which lowered the Oceanian, thus closer to what actually came into Europe, for most people.

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 1.5296% / 1.52960694
45.4 Anatolia_N
41.7 Steppe_EMBA
12.9 WHG

Steppe_EMBA,40.92,2.40,1.10,33.93,21.16,0.50


You would probably need those two as well, with or without Levant_N
Taforalt,3.15,2.8,2.80,14.19,35.48,41.58
Iran_N,39.40,5.30,1.60,6.40,45.10,2.20

Thanks for the information , i will try it here.

[Tongio]

Target: Grace
Distance: 220.0456% / 2.20045631
49.4 Steppe_Eneolithic
19.8 Anatolia_Neolithic
17.2 Levant_Neolithic
13.6 WHG

Using G25

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 0.0483% / 0.04825957
50.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.3 TUR_Barcin_N
15.5 WHG

That was almost identical , pretty nice.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo
Distance: 2.3248% / 2.32481713
33.8 Anatolia_Neolithic
27.1 Steppe_Eneolithic
22.4 WHG
16.6 Levant_Neolithic
0.1 Yoruba

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 2.4133% / 2.41330899
28.8 Steppe_Eneolithic
27.0 Levant_Neolithic
21.0 Anatolia_Neolithic
20.9 WHG
2.3 Yoruba

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 1.9136% / 1.91362081
34.3 Steppe_Eneolithic
24.4 Anatolia_Neolithic
20.9 Levant_Neolithic
20.4 WHG

[gixajo]

Same thing that is present in central & south Asia today. ANE back then was like that too (MA1 Malt'a here):

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q9bH8cZ/2014-Seguin-Figure1-B.jpg

If you replace the steppe eneolithic with steppe EMBA it fits a bit better, EMBA is still beyond noise on the Oceanian (2.40%) but it penalizes the model less for you not scoring Papuan/Onge stuff. On the other hand it's already a bit of an Europe Neo/WHG/Yamnaya like blend, which lowered the Oceanian, thus closer to what actually came into Europe, for most people.

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 1.5296% / 1.52960694
45.4 Anatolia_N
41.7 Steppe_EMBA
12.9 WHG

Steppe_EMBA,40.92,2.40,1.10,33.93,21.16,0.50


You would probably need those two as well, with or without Levant_N
Taforalt,3.15,2.8,2.80,14.19,35.48,41.58
Iran_N,39.40,5.30,1.60,6.40,45.10,2.20

I remove steppe eneolithic and Levant_N and added Taforalt and Iran_N but NA doesn´t appear. Should I remove Iran_N and Yoruba too?

Anyway more similar results to the Davidski´s G25 original model doing this than before.

Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.8502% / 0.85017616
55.3 Anatolia_Neolithic
26.9 Steppe_EMBA
17.6 WHG
0.2 Yoruba

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 0.7874% / 0.78739102
59.4 Anatolia_Neolithic
27.8 Steppe_EMBA
10.4 WHG
2.4 Yoruba

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 0.5398% / 0.53983867
48.8 Anatolia_Neolithic
26.9 Steppe_EMBA
17.4 WHG
6.9 Iran_N

[gixajo]

Ok I left just the 4 more common components for Spaniards.


Steppe_EMBA,40.92,2.40,1.10,33.93,21.16,0.50
Anatolia_Neolithic,1.90,0.00,0.00,36.44,61.46,0.20
WHG,0.00,0.00,0.00,100.00,0.00,0.00
Taforalt,3.15,2.8,2.80,14.19,35.48,41.58

Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.8698% / 0.86976887
55.1 Anatolia_Neolithic
26.8 Steppe_EMBA
17.7 WHG
0.4 Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 1.0169% / 1.01690447
56.3 Anatolia_Neolithic
27.3 Steppe_EMBA
10.9 WHG
5.5 Taforalt

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 0.4180% / 0.41804812
51.7 Anatolia_Neolithic
33.8 Steppe_EMBA
14.5 WHG

[Defcon2]

Ok I left just the 4 more common components for Spaniards.


Steppe_EMBA,40.92,2.40,1.10,33.93,21.16,0.50
Anatolia_Neolithic,1.90,0.00,0.00,36.44,61.46,0.20
WHG,0.00,0.00,0.00,100.00,0.00,0.00
Taforalt,3.15,2.8,2.80,14.19,35.48,41.58

Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.8698% / 0.86976887
55.1 Anatolia_Neolithic
26.8 Steppe_EMBA
17.7 WHG
0.4 Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 1.0169% / 1.01690447
56.3 Anatolia_Neolithic
27.3 Steppe_EMBA
10.9 WHG
5.5 Taforalt

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 0.4180% / 0.41804812
51.7 Anatolia_Neolithic
33.8 Steppe_EMBA
14.5 WHG

For some reason I need Levant.


Target: Defcon2
Distance: 1.3800% / 1.37998709
56.0 Anatolia_Neolithic
41.9 Steppe_EMBA
1.1 WHG
1.0 Taforalt

Target: Defcon2
Distance: 1.3757% / 1.37574164
43.4 Steppe_EMBA
25.2 Anatolia_Neolithic
18.9 Levant_Neolithic
11.9 WHG
0.6 Yoruba

[gixajo]

For some reason I need Levant.





My mother needs Iran_N to get a more accurate WHG %.

[Tongio]

Thanks for the contribution , i run it with with petalpusher and Gixajo 's aditions, taforalt doesnt appear to me, distancies did get a lot lower with emba steppe, and the WHG got less shy.

Target: target:Tongio
Distance: 1.0527% / 1.05274090
39.4 Steppe_EMBA
21.0 Anatolia_N
18.0 Levant_N
14.5 WHG
6.2 Yoruba
0.9 Han
Distance to: target: Tongio
27.39265230 Anatolia_N
31.06392602 Steppe_EMBA
38.10685765 Iran_N
43.50348032 Taforalt
72.60231814 Levant_N
77.55705384 WHG
108.74326002 Yoruba
111.58675817 Han

Without levant neo:

Target: target:Tongio
Distance: 1.0167% / 1.01667204
50.8 Anatolia_N
38.0 Steppe_EMBA
6.2 Yoruba
4.1 WHG
0.9 Han

[Eleonor]

Population
Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.4 Pct
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.52 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 43.7 Pct
Natufian 36.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Eleonor
Distance: 3.1661% / 3.16606261
52.1 Anatolia_Neolithic
42.9 Steppe_Eneolithic
5.0 WHG

Target: Eleonor
Distance: 0.8534% / 0.85342646
44.5 Steppe_EMBA
42.8 Anatolia_Neolithic
12.7 WHG

Better distance with the Steppe_EMBA for me :)

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro
Distance: 2.9502% / 2.95020573
36.1 Steppe_Eneolithic
23.4 Anatolia_Neolithic
22.9 Levant_Neolithic
10.3 WHG
6.3 Yoruba
1.0 Han

Target: Pedro
Distance: 1.6045% / 1.60449450
44.6 Anatolia_Neolithic
34.8 Steppe_EMBA
15.8 Taforalt
4.8 WHG

[alexmegas777]

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
Distance: 2.2859% / 2.28594796
35.6 Steppe_Eneolithic
25.6 Anatolia_Neolithic
22.8 Levant_Neolithic
16.0 WHG