Southern Europeans are not "dark", only Iberians, Italians, Albanians and Greeks are

[manu15151513]

Stop ignoring this. They are another world even compared to Bulgarians, Serbs, kosovo, Northern Macedonians and Montenegrins. Not to mention Croats and Bosnians, total aliens in comparison as far as light skin is concerned. This is because there is much less cloudiness despite comparable latitude, so natural selection has favored more light skin. For example, despite being deep in southern Europe, northern macedonia and kosovo have winters equidistant between the English and Italian winters for cloud cover.


Macedonians and Montenegrins: https://www.google.com/search?q=north+macedonia+traditional+people&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjOgMDVucr2AhUugv0HHbT0D0MQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=north+macedonia+traditional+people&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoGCAAQBxAeOgQIABAeOgg IABCABBCxAzoFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6CwgAEIAEE LEDEIMBOgQIABATUKUFWPCwAWCNsgFoA3AAeACAAW2IAYQVkgE EMzUuMZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=p78xYo6ROK6E9u8PtOm_mAQ&bih=754&biw=1536# imgrc = dgaD_Lxhp-fvfM & imgdii = L95fyVQZvTeYOM and https://www.google.com/search?q=montenegro+traditional&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi5xIDmu8r2AhXFhP0HHdz2BWcQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=montenegro+traditional&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQEzIECAAQEzIECAAQEzIICAAQCBA eEBMyCAgAEAgQHhATMggIABAIEB4QEzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoGCAAQB xAeOgQIABAeOgYIABAFEB46BQgAEIAEOgYIABAeEBNQowZY3Bt gwx1oAHAAeACAAWKIAasKkgECMTiYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6L WltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=48ExYvnGGMWJ9u8P3O2XuAY&bih=754&biw=1536



Central taly: https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/600/1001212.png?v=1

http://www.sporterni.it/immagini/articoli/19993.jpg

[TheMaestro]

Thank you for this information.

[Russki]

Not to mention Croats


You don't need to mention Croats because Croats are Northern diaspora in the South

https://sun9-36.userapi.com/impf/AAdQDuRXa4UPhs-u11uwSPwYVkcZXk3iLFG2FA/r1exW66FOh0.jpg?size=960x387&quality=95&sign=bdbb05856efab83a0980c44e5213861a&type=album

[Gallop]

The Iberians are an ancient population, you mean the Spaniards.

Italy and Greece are far removed from Spain. We have the feeling of being closer to France and Portugal.

Italy and Greece are very distant from Spain; although there is a greater sense of closeness with Italy. We have the sensation of more proximity with France and Portugal and the Balkans for the common people in Spain are even more distant there is a great ignorance and I do not believe that they have them very present since the relations and exchanges in the most recent historical events have been with the countries of our Western European environment without counting on the influence of the Roman Empire.

My brother was in Croatia and Montenegro and he told me that Montenegrins are very different.

[Universe]

" only Iberians, Italians, Albanians and Greeks are "
You listed every single southern european ethnicity.

[manu15151513]

The Iberians are an ancient population, you mean the Spaniards.

Italy and Greece are far removed from Spain. We have the feeling of being closer to France and Portugal.

Italy and Greece are very distant from Spain; although there is a greater sense of closeness with Italy. We have the sensation of more proximity with France and Portugal and the Balkans for the common people in Spain are even more distant there is a great ignorance and I do not believe that they have them very present since the relations and exchanges in the most recent historical events have been with the countries of our Western European environment without counting on the influence of the Roman Empire.

My brother was in Croatia and Montenegro and he told me that Montenegrins are very different.


Regarding the levels of melanin, the Spanish, Portuguese, Greeks and Albanians, regardless of distance, form a group of their own in which they cluster. Also for the general physical aspect, but here the question is already a little more nuanced. By Iberians I mean the inhabitants of the Iberian geographic region, modern Spaniards and Portuguese.

[manu15151513]

" only Iberians, Italians, Albanians and Greeks are "
You listed every single southern european ethnicity.

Bulgaria, serbia, montenegro, north macedonia, kosovo, croatia and bosnia don't exist?

[Gallop]

Regarding the levels of melanin, the Spanish, Portuguese, Greeks and Albanians, regardless of distance, form a group of their own in which they cluster. Also for the general physical aspect, but here the question is already a little more nuanced. By Iberians I mean the inhabitants of the Iberian geographic region, modern Spaniards and Portuguese.


I see no resemblance

Albania
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdtF-muVMAAjERP?format=jpg&name=large

Grecia
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_R2p8fjASQ_sVc9ZGRYnbp6Vwi6-f7gGTbPSvG_CmRIshQWVK8EKI7EUTORRR8ZpN9KI&usqp=CAU

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8d2OXe1vPCA/hqdefault.jpg

https://rnbespana.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/RNB-MisterInternacional-2019-PabloHerrera-Malaga-v04.png

[Russki]

double

[renaissance12]

I see no resemblance




Albanians are famous for their ears..

https://www.bolognatoday.it/~media/horizontal-hi/22113154524900/albanesi-furto-2.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_G_HXFDlzuTQ/TB_NAMxsGqI/AAAAAAAAEb4/1l_ihxe3CkE/s640/DSC_8496.JPG

In every 2 albanians there is 1 with this ears.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyVO8EvBWsq-D6YaGdD1AG4028iuiOBzo_WA&usqp=CAU
https://lecconotizie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/albanesi_arrestati.jpg
https://citynews-foggiatoday.stgy.ovh/~media/horizontal-mid/30425952354521/i-tre-albanesi-arrestati-2.jpg

[Supercomputer]

Not really. Bulgarians, Serbs, kosovo, Northern Macedonians and Montenegrins are all darker than Italians.

[Roy]

Even if it was true it would still be a ludicrous statement as they make up a significant chunk of the population.

[Mejgusu]

I see no resemblance]

Can I ask you what you did search to find this pictures?

[Gallop]

Can I ask you what you did search to find this pictures?
Albania
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdtF-muVMAAjERP?format=jpg&name=large

Grecia
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_R2p8fjASQ_sVc9ZGRYnbp6Vwi6-f7gGTbPSvG_CmRIshQWVK8EKI7EUTORRR8ZpN9KI&usqp=CAU

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8d2OXe1vPCA/hqdefault.jpg

https://rnbespana.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/RNB-MisterInternacional-2019-PabloHerrera-Malaga-v04.png


Mister Albania, Mister Grecia, Mister Portugal, Mister España

Your question has been answered.

[Mejgusu]

Mister Albania, Mister Grecia, Mister Portugal, Mister España

Your question has been answered.

Thank you! This men are looking very ambiguously, I was thinking you googled something else :laugh:

[mashail]

who cares I see tanned ppl very hot.

[manu15151513]

Not really. Bulgarians, Serbs, kosovo, Northern Macedonians and Montenegrins are all darker than Italians.

You live in a parallel universe obviously

[manu15151513]

Even if it was true it would still be a ludicrous statement as they make up a significant chunk of the population.

Is this true, or do you have vision problems? No, it just highlights a distinction that statement

[Supercomputer]

You live in a parallel universe obviously

Why do you say that? I have more data about pigmentation than most people on this forum.

[manu15151513]

Why do you say that? I have more data about pigmentation than most people on this forum.

Despite this you are totally uninformed to say such utter nonsense. Serbs and Bulgarians look like Vikings compared to Italians. Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, North Macedonians, Kosovo, Bosnians, they are all VERY white in comparison to the Italians.

[Septentrion]

Stop ignoring this. They are another world even compared to Bulgarians, Serbs, kosovo, Northern Macedonians and Montenegrins. Not to mention Croats and Bosnians, total aliens in comparison as far as light skin is concerned. This is because there is much less cloudiness despite comparable latitude, so natural selection has favored more light skin. For example, despite being deep in southern Europe, northern macedonia and kosovo have winters equidistant between the English and Italian winters for cloud cover.


Macedonians and Montenegrins: https://www.google.com/search?q=north+macedonia+traditional+people&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjOgMDVucr2AhUugv0HHbT0D0MQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=north+macedonia+traditional+people&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoGCAAQBxAeOgQIABAeOgg IABCABBCxAzoFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6CwgAEIAEE LEDEIMBOgQIABATUKUFWPCwAWCNsgFoA3AAeACAAW2IAYQVkgE EMzUuMZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=p78xYo6ROK6E9u8PtOm_mAQ&bih=754&biw=1536# imgrc = dgaD_Lxhp-fvfM & imgdii = L95fyVQZvTeYOM and https://www.google.com/search?q=montenegro+traditional&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi5xIDmu8r2AhXFhP0HHdz2BWcQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=montenegro+traditional&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQEzIECAAQEzIECAAQEzIICAAQCBA eEBMyCAgAEAgQHhATMggIABAIEB4QEzoHCCMQ7wMQJzoGCAAQB xAeOgQIABAeOgYIABAFEB46BQgAEIAEOgYIABAeEBNQowZY3Bt gwx1oAHAAeACAAWKIAasKkgECMTiYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6L WltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=48ExYvnGGMWJ9u8P3O2XuAY&bih=754&biw=1536



Central taly: https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/600/1001212.png?v=1

http://www.sporterni.it/immagini/articoli/19993.jpg


Bulgarians are one of the darkest European people. What are you talking about?

[Supercomputer]

Despite this you are totally uninformed to say such utter nonsense. Serbs and Bulgarians look like Vikings compared to Italians. Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, North Macedonians, Kosovo, Bosnians, they are all VERY white in comparison to the Italians.

That's not what the data says. Your subjective impressions are worthless.

[manu15151513]

That's not what the data says. Your subjective impressions are worthless.

Instead that's what every fucking data and every fucking group photo compared, if you don't have problems with your eyes. And that's exactly what it should be considering the uv index.

[SangreAzul]

We are about 3/4 to almost 4/4 Celtic DNA here. I do not see the same among the Italins and Grecos. I see no way they can be as light as us, although I embrace that the white-roman legacy did come into iberia. We only have the palest of romanic legionaire dna combined with our celtic aDNA. Pora.

[Supercomputer]

Instead that's what every fucking data and every fucking group photo compared, if you don't have problems with your eyes. And that's exactly what it should be considering the uv index.

Serbs have less blond hair according to studies than Italians. Light eyes colour is less although to very minor extent. Italian brown skin which is result of tanning doesn't count.

[manu15151513]

We are about 3/4 to almost 4/4 Celtic DNA here. I do not see the same among the Italins and Grecos. I see no way they can be as light as us, although I embrace that the white-roman legacy did come into iberia. We only have the palest of romanic legionaire dna combined with our celtic aDNA. Pora.

The ancestors of thousands of years ago have nothing to do with it. You can also be of English origin, but if you stay in Iberia in a few generations you will totally change your appearance by becoming dark like an Italian to protect yourself from the sun.

[manu15151513]

Serbs have less blond hair according to studies than Italians. Light eyes colour is less although to very minor extent. Italian brown skin which is result of tanning doesn't count.


drop amateur percentages from single studies that totally contradict other studies. If you have no vision problems, look for yourself. These are Italians taken at random, from all regions:

https://ibb.co/k8xDK3K

https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/Original/46180.png?v=1

https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/Original/1061001.png

https://www.santacroceweb.com/giornale1/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1451583_699793630033357_1871648586_n11.jpg

https://www.ilgiunco.net/photogallery_new/images/2021/06/mifamaleunpiede-tabaccheria-tanja-242278.jpg

https://senigalliacalcio.it/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/foto_gruppo-2007.jpg

https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/Original/1016624.png?v=1

Serbi CASUALI

https://i.goalzz.com/?i=riyan%2Fserbia3l.jpg

https://www.saintsava.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/opanak-edmunton.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Sumadija.jpg


https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/guinness-world-record-largest-folk-dance-in-novi-sad-serbia-picture-id930304998?k=20&m=930304998&s=170667a&w=0&h=1i7YY0j5VVILNnD-mcvSmWmaH_-MtHfclVdS2N900l8=


bulgaria https://previews.123rf.com/images/georgidimitrov70/georgidimitrov701609/georgidimitrov70160900062/68009373-varvara-bulgarie-5-mai-2015-les-gens-en-costumes-traditionnels-dansent-bulgarian-horo-un-pr%C3%A9-pr%C3%A8s-du.jpg

https://cfnan.org/wp-content/uploads/NHA-Bulgarian-Night_88.jpg

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/people-dressed-with-traditional-bulgarian-authentic-folklore-clothes-picture-id1131622870


If you have no vision problems, it is so self-evident that it wouldn't even be worth mentioning


Many of these photos were taken in winter, and however it is winter or summer the difference is totally evident

[manu15151513]

We are about 3/4 to almost 4/4 Celtic DNA here. I do not see the same among the Italins and Grecos. I see no way they can be as light as us, although I embrace that the white-roman legacy did come into iberia. We only have the palest of romanic legionaire dna combined with our celtic aDNA. Pora.

Look at the photos of the Italians I have attached, do they seem darker to you than the Iberians?

[manu15151513]

We are about 3/4 to almost 4/4 Celtic DNA here. I do not see the same among the Italins and Grecos. I see no way they can be as light as us, although I embrace that the white-roman legacy did come into iberia. We only have the palest of romanic legionaire dna combined with our celtic aDNA. Pora.

Look at the photos of the Italians I have attached, do they seem darker to you than the Iberians?

[manu15151513]

Serbs have less blond hair according to studies than Italians. Light eyes colour is less although to very minor extent. Italian brown skin which is result of tanning doesn't count.

They are random photos taken from the internet, no misleading selection. If you have no vision problems you notice an abys, italians are darkest. Even compared to the Albanians and North Macedonians italians are darker.

Look at them all

Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are the darkest in Europe


https://albanianstudies.weebly.com/uploads/3/4/6/9/3469404/7030497_orig.jpg

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/female-folk-group-posing-colorful-traditional-costumes-vusanje-montenegro-july-components-albanian-dressed-near-130811897.jpg

https://www.panacomp.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/faqe_e_pare_1329_0.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.ilgiornaledicaivano.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/albanesi-arrestati-a-Caivano.gif?fit=510%2C352


North macedonia

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/macedonian-national-costumes-parade-tulcea-romania-august-international-folklore-festival-children-youth-golden-97831883.jpg

https://www.chasingthedonkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Macedonian-Souvenirs_Macedonian-traditional-dress.jpg




Italians

https://www.newsandcom.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/foto-arrestati-1.jpg

https://www.foggiatoday.it/~media/horizontal-hi/27578662734867/gli-arrestati-malavita-3-2.jpg

[Teutone]

Crazy this has never been discussed on TA before

The fact that the presentation includes several pics of individuals with different skin tones adds spice to it

[Gallop]

Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are the darkest in Europe





So if you are convinced of that, what do you attribute it to the Spaniards: Barcin, WHG, Al Andalus, conversos, Guanches, gypsies...? ? I would like to know your opinion.

[manu15151513]

So if you are convinced of that, what do you attribute it to the Spaniards: Barcin, WHG, Al Andalus, conversos, Guanches, gypsies...? ? I would like to know your opinion.

Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are the darkest in Europe, is it really necessary to discuss them? Or if you prefer to put it this way, the less light skin Europeans. Due to local natural selection for the Iberian uv index. I have made comparisons all over the world and the color of the skin is in every single corner of the world totally identical to the differences in the uv index, even between adjacent villages and provinces.

[SangreAzul]

Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are the darkest in Europe, is it really necessary to discuss them? Or if you prefer to put it this way, the less light skin Europeans. Due to local natural selection for the Iberian uv index. I have made comparisons all over the world and the color of the skin is in every single corner of the world totally identical to the differences in the uv index, even between adjacent villages and provinces.

Iam of from north españa ancestry. My ancestor was very pale and Celtic-like just like many here. I do not know what gibberish you speak of.

[manu15151513]

So if you are convinced of that, what do you attribute it to the Spaniards: Barcin, WHG, Al Andalus, conversos, Guanches, gypsies...? ? I would like to know your opinion.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Average-cloud-fraction-MODIS-sensors-across-Europe-from-A-January-to-March-and_fig1_283210147


In Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece the risk of vitamin D deficiency is the lowest in all of Europe, even in comparison to more southern countries such as Albania and North Macedonia. Conversely, the risk of sun-induced skin cancers, sunburn and folic acid deficiency is much greater across Europe, so dark skin is where it's needed most.

[manu15151513]

Iam of from north españa ancestry. My ancestor was very pale and Celtic-like just like many here. I do not know what gibberish you speak of.

You are just as ignorant as a goat. You can have all the pale ancestors you want, if you put pale people in spain and leave them isolated in a thousand years they will be dark, tanned and Mediterranean for natural selection.

[Gallop]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Average-cloud-fraction-MODIS-sensors-across-Europe-from-A-January-to-March-and_fig1_283210147


In Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece the risk of vitamin D deficiency is the lowest in all of Europe, even in comparison to more southern countries such as Albania and North Macedonia. Conversely, the risk of sun-induced skin cancers, sunburn and folic acid deficiency is much greater across Europe, so dark skin is where it's needed most.

So you mean tanning? because in Spain babies or small children are not dark.

[manu15151513]

So you mean tanning? because in Spain babies or small children are not dark.

I mean natural skin color in relation to natural selection. Dark by European standards, relatively.

[manu15151513]

Iam of from north españa ancestry. My ancestor was very pale and Celtic-like just like many here. I do not know what gibberish you speak of.

Northern spain is light skin for the local evolution for low uv index, your celtic ancestors have nothing to do with it.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Average-cloud-fraction-MODIS-sensors-across-Europe-from-A-January-to-March-and_fig1_283210147

[Gallop]

I mean natural skin color in relation to natural selection. Dark by European standards, relatively.

Yes, but who sets the European standards? For me dark is dark people from other continents, not the dark that they say about the Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, e.t.c. to which you refer. If there are so many dark-European is also a standard then.

[Muffinman]

Crazy this has never been discussed on TA before

The fact that the presentation includes several pics of individuals with different skin tones adds spice to it

In summary
https://i.imgur.com/iF0aUQt.jpeg

[Urbanuss]

Nice trolling, ethnikid.

Which Iberians? Which Italians?

[Gallop]

Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are the darkest in Europe, is it really necessary to discuss them? Or if you prefer to put it this way, the less light skin Europeans. Due to local natural selection for the Iberian uv index. I have made comparisons all over the world and the color of the skin is in every single corner of the world totally identical to the differences in the uv index, even between adjacent villages and provinces.

But Spaniards do not go naked, it is in recent times when there has been exposure to the sun, previously our ancestors protected themselves and covered themselves from the sun.

You are from another continent right, is that they are issues of the American continent that in Europe had never before been treated in this way and certainly not in the style of the American continent, I think you are bringing us your caste system and trying to implement it in Europe, it does not work, Europe is not America.


Stop the attempt to transfer the caste system from the American continent to Europe.

[manu15151513]

Nice trolling, ethnikid.

Which Iberians? Which Italians?

Trolling? Are you blind or do you really believe that there are darker Europeans than those mentioned?

[manu15151513]

But Spaniards do not go naked, it is in recent times when there has been exposure to the sun, previously our ancestors protected themselves and covered themselves from the sun.

You are from another continent right, is that they are issues of the American continent that in Europe had never before been treated in this way and certainly not in the style of the American continent, I think you are bringing us your caste system and trying to implement it in Europe, it does not work, Europe is not America.


Stop the attempt to transfer the caste system from the American continent to Europe.

It doesn't matter, natural selection happens anyway. If this were not the case, the color of the skin would not be millimetrically correlated to the uv index region by region, province by province, village by village, as I have noticed by making many comparisons. Furthermore, even a minimal increase in probability, realistically certain to have occurred, of facing a reproductive disadvantage is enough to make evolution happen very quickly.

What bullshit are you talking about? I am 100% Italian

[Petalpusher]

It doesn't matter, natural selection happens anyway. If this were not the case, the color of the skin would not be millimetrically correlated to the uv index region by region, province by province, village by village, as I have noticed by making many comparisons. Furthermore, even a minimal increase in probability, realistically certain to have occurred, of facing a reproductive disadvantage is enough to make evolution happen very quickly.


It's only a general trend, it's not correlated well with uv index, or Brits wouldn't have lighter skins than Scandinavians. A study also has shown that even Portugueses have slightly lighter skin than Poles on average.

However there was likely some selection process in some regions, selecting negatively lighter skins or different tones, in very sunny areas of Europe, if only by the effect of skin cancers. Most possibly also sexual selections in general as there are significant differences between men and women overall of the same nationality/ancestry.

[manu15151513]

It's only a general trend, it's not correlated well with uv index, or Brits wouldn't have lighter skins than Scandinavians. A study also has shown that even Portugueses have slightly lighter skin than Poles on average.

However there was likely some selection process in some regions, selecting negatively lighter skins or different tones, in very sunny areas of Europe, if only by the effect of skin cancers. Most possibly also sexual selections in general as there are significant differences between men and women overall of the same nationality/ancestry.

and how it is, totally, in every millimeter detail. It is not a general trend, but absolute and omnipresent in every location, even of a few kilometers. In every millimeter detail and corner of the world. If you think it is not, the reason is that you are ignorant and uninformed. England is MUCH cloudier than Scandinavia, so fair skin is more useful regardless of latitude. Indonesians and Equatorial Native Americans are lighter than Africans because they live in much more cloudy and shady environments, so natural selection has favored lighter skin due to vitamin D deficiency.


You cannot make a conclusion about skin color based on a single small sample study. Poles are no darker than the Portuguese, of course.

[Supercomputer]

They are random photos taken from the internet, no misleading selection. If you have no vision problems you notice an abys, italians are darkest. Even compared to the Albanians and North Macedonians italians are darker.

Look at them all

Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are the darkest in Europe


https://albanianstudies.weebly.com/uploads/3/4/6/9/3469404/7030497_orig.jpg

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/female-folk-group-posing-colorful-traditional-costumes-vusanje-montenegro-july-components-albanian-dressed-near-130811897.jpg

https://www.panacomp.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/faqe_e_pare_1329_0.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.ilgiornaledicaivano.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/albanesi-arrestati-a-Caivano.gif?fit=510%2C352


North macedonia

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/macedonian-national-costumes-parade-tulcea-romania-august-international-folklore-festival-children-youth-golden-97831883.jpg

https://www.chasingthedonkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Macedonian-Souvenirs_Macedonian-traditional-dress.jpg




Italians

https://www.newsandcom.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/foto-arrestati-1.jpg

https://www.foggiatoday.it/~media/horizontal-hi/27578662734867/gli-arrestati-malavita-3-2.jpg

Cherry picking proves nothing. Do a study on footballers or on members of parliaments and get back to me. Data > selected images of crowds.

[Supercomputer]

drop amateur percentages from single studies that totally contradict other studies. If you have no vision problems, look for yourself. These are Italians taken at random, from all regions:

https://ibb.co/k8xDK3K

https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/Original/46180.png?v=1

https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/Original/1061001.png

https://www.santacroceweb.com/giornale1/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1451583_699793630033357_1871648586_n11.jpg

https://www.ilgiunco.net/photogallery_new/images/2021/06/mifamaleunpiede-tabaccheria-tanja-242278.jpg

https://senigalliacalcio.it/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/foto_gruppo-2007.jpg

https://www.tuttocampo.it/Web/Images/TeamPhotos/Original/1016624.png?v=1

Serbi CASUALI

https://i.goalzz.com/?i=riyan%2Fserbia3l.jpg

https://www.saintsava.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/opanak-edmunton.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Sumadija.jpg


https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/guinness-world-record-largest-folk-dance-in-novi-sad-serbia-picture-id930304998?k=20&m=930304998&s=170667a&w=0&h=1i7YY0j5VVILNnD-mcvSmWmaH_-MtHfclVdS2N900l8=


bulgaria https://previews.123rf.com/images/georgidimitrov70/georgidimitrov701609/georgidimitrov70160900062/68009373-varvara-bulgarie-5-mai-2015-les-gens-en-costumes-traditionnels-dansent-bulgarian-horo-un-pr%C3%A9-pr%C3%A8s-du.jpg

https://cfnan.org/wp-content/uploads/NHA-Bulgarian-Night_88.jpg

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/people-dressed-with-traditional-bulgarian-authentic-folklore-clothes-picture-id1131622870


If you have no vision problems, it is so self-evident that it wouldn't even be worth mentioning


Many of these photos were taken in winter, and however it is winter or summer the difference is totally evident

Serbian adults under strong sunlight:
https://i.postimg.cc/pX9ccYRW/1048506-10151546521408883-579160219-o.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9rhBr9DK)

Serbian children:
https://i.postimg.cc/Pxr2W1Sk/US08.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Serbian children from extreme Northern city of Sombor:
https://i.postimg.cc/0jzn3PgW/14528-Uskr-nji-Basket-plus-turnir-5.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Regnera]

Iam of from north españa ancestry. My ancestor was very pale and Celtic-like just like many here. I do not know what gibberish you speak of.

Wake up,man,even you're pale,you're still Romance,Not Celtic.

[NITE]

Yes it's a fact that the darkest Europeans are Greeks Italians iberians and Albanians south Slavs are the next overall darkest group in Europe