Genetic ancestry Central/Eastern European people (Balkan, ex-warsaw pact etc)

[Scandal]

Add these populations to source populations on vahaduo
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13DWeOu202FDtfWeNOj0gPkJaX4C5c6K4WeIlAGM-oZ0/edit?usp=sharing
Model proposed by Stearsolina.

[Blondie]

Hungarians are mix of slavs, germans and the romanized native pannonians.

[Scandal]

Stearsolina's model:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13DWeOu202FDtfWeNOj0gPkJaX4C5c6K4WeIlAGM-oZ0/edit?usp=sharing

[Scandal]

Romanians are over 40% Slavic according to this model.


Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.8521% / 1.85207329
55.0 South_PaleoBalk
44.0 Slavic
1.0 Altaic

[Blondie]

Hungarians are around 55% Slavic, 25-30% native balkan and 10-20% Germanic depending on what model we use.
Andre(Romanian member) proposed the following model

This "native balkan" = pannonian, they were an illyrian tribe in West Hungary, assimilated by hungarians later.

[Russki]

Hungarians are around 55% Slavic, 25-30% native balkan and 10-20% Germanic depending on what model we use.



If you add Celtic reference, most of that Germanic will disappear

https://www.worldhistory.org/img/c/p/1200x627/10810.jpg



It's just hard go distinguish "Celtic" from "Germanic" on calculators

[Blondie]

If you add Celtic reference, most of that Germanic will disappear

https://www.worldhistory.org/img/c/p/1200x627/10810.jpg



It's just hard go distinguish "Celtic" from "Germanic" on calculators

Because the hungarian germanic ancestry came from germans who are celto-germanic, like most of germanics.

[Thunder_shock]

Because the hungarian germanic ancestry came from germans who are celto-germanic, like most of germanics.
What proportion of the celtic ancestry is celtic germanic?

[Scandal]

Croats


Target: Croat
Distance: 1.1010% / 1.10098456
60.6 Slavic
24.0 South_PaleoBalk
12.2 North_PaleoBalk
3.2 Germanic

after removing south_paleobalk from the source


Target: Croat
Distance: 1.7661% / 1.76609819
59.5 Slavic
40.5 North_PaleoBalk

[Blondie]

What proportion of the celtic ancestry is celtic germanic?

If you speak a germanic language then youre germanic and does not matter how many celtic genetic you have.

[Scandal]

Serbs


Target: Serb
Distance: 4.2138% / 4.21383341
53.4 North_PaleoBalk
45.7 Slavic
0.9 Altaic


Target: Serb
Distance: 1.9057% / 1.90570704
51.3 Slavic
48.7 South_PaleoBalk

[Scandal]

If you add Celtic reference, most of that Germanic will disappear

https://www.worldhistory.org/img/c/p/1200x627/10810.jpg



It's just hard go distinguish "Celtic" from "Germanic" on calculators
Yeah, maybe. I don't want to claim that these models and calculators are perfect. I am open to criticism and tips how to improve it.

[Scandal]

Slovene


Target: Slovene
Distance: 1.0455% / 1.04554172
57.7 Slavic
23.5 North_PaleoBalk
18.8 Germanic

[Thunder_shock]

If you speak a germanic language then youre germanic and does not matter how many celtic genetic you have.
Well, maybe in real-life, or not. But your on apricity and folks tend to give a shit lol. If you dont know just say i dont know.

[Scandal]

Albanians = 20% Slavic


Target: Albanian
Distance: 3.1849% / 3.18488494
72.8 South_PaleoBalk
20.0 Slavic
7.2 North_PaleoBalk

[Blondie]

Well, maybe in real-life, or not. But your on apricity and folks tend to give a shit lol. If you dont know just say i dont know.

Okay Patel.

[Thunder_shock]

Okay Patel.
I dont know who that is, but good to see we've come to an understanding.

[Scandal]

CZ


Target: Czech
Distance: 2.5157% / 2.51574469
65.9 Slavic
21.7 Germanic
12.4 South_PaleoBalk

SK v1


Target: Slovak
Distance: 1.4558% / 1.45584743
68.5 Slavic
20.2 North_PaleoBalk
11.3 Germanic

SK v2


Target: Slovak
Distance: 1.0709% / 1.07089327
67.9 Slavic
16.1 Germanic
16.0 South_PaleoBalk

[Peterski]

Moldova should be "red".

[rothaer]

I'm from the west of the "Northern Zone" and seem to do it without any PaleoBalk:

Target: rothaer
Distance: 379.4119% / 3.79411943
55.4 Slavic
44.6 Germanic

[rothaer]

I'm from the west of the "Northern Zone" and seem to do it without any PaleoBalk:

Target: rothaer
Distance: 379.4119% / 3.79411943
55.4 Slavic
44.6 Germanic


Distance to: rothaer
13.49909627 Slavic
16.50115754 Germanic
37.25113555 North_PaleoBalk
43.95079408 South_PaleoBalk
68.48503413 Altaic

[cakmir7y]

Target: cakmir7y(Czech)
Distance: 2.0587% / 2.05868515
67.0 Slavic
19.1 North_PaleoBalk
13.9 Germanic


Distance to: cakmir7y(Czech)
12.18080047 Slavic
18.93317987 Germanic
32.95878335 North_PaleoBalk
38.94835555 South_PaleoBalk
67.23942593 Altaic

[MandM]

All are from the Balkan zone

Target: Wife_Uncle
Distance: 852.2988% / 8.52298774 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.6 South_PaleoBalk
44.4 Slavic

Target: Wifes_Cousin
Distance: 499.2837% / 4.99283702 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.6 Slavic
46.4 South_PaleoBalk

Target: wify
Distance: 646.5020% / 6.46501993 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.8 Slavic
44.2 South_PaleoBalk

Target: Father
Distance: 292.0764% / 2.92076431 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.4 South_PaleoBalk
37.6 Slavic

Target: Sister
Distance: 606.8786% / 6.06878614 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.4 South_PaleoBalk
44.6 Slavic

Target: Mother
Distance: 307.9193% / 3.07919319 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.6 South_PaleoBalk
40.4 Slavic

Target: Milenko
Distance: 488.8874% / 4.88887428 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.6 South_PaleoBalk
39.4 Slavic

[oszkar07]

half Hungarian

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.9748% / 2.97475901
60.1 Germanic
36.1 Slavic
3.6 South_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic

[Jana]

Try my new ancient Iron Age-Medieval calculator:


Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28. 33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,1 5.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1,40.65,19.04,23.23,2.62, 9.27,2.00,0.37,0.00,0.51,0.72,0.99,0.60,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2,41.45,19.74,20.36,3.84, 9.31,1.15,1.14,0.14,0.73,0.23,0.80,0.51,0.62
Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic,53.60,28.3 0,7.29,3.78,0.34,3.59,1.02,0.00,0.00,0.22,0.42,0.2 4,1.23
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial,12.78,3.45,21.49,19.62,3 4.71,5.81,0.51,0.38,0.08,0.27,0.52,0.23,0.13
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1,13.98,1.53,23.90,8.02 ,37.14,9.92,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.83,3.06,0.98
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3,3.81,0.00,13.20,33.10 ,37.17,9.18,2.60,0.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.54,0.07
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4,2.16,0.57,17.43,20.86 ,41.50,13.03,1.47,0.44,0.00,0.05,0.08,2.41,0.00
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.70 ,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0.00,0.32,0.39,1.90,0.44
Late_Roman :Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1,15.72,1.01,34.51,1.54,2 8.02,12.16,0.00,0.48,0.00,0.18,0.26,4.02,2.09
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2,22.60,1.35,36 .59,8.34,25.22,4.94,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.26, 0.34
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman,24.53,1.23,42.64,7 .85,17.90,4.08,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.04,0.00,0.29,1.28
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o,22.61,0.00,20.12 ,13.06,23.26,11.76,2.14,1.76,0.00,2.11,0.00,3.17,0 .00
Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval,26.12,47.38,12.20,0 .50,6.11,1.90,0.00,1.34,2.53,0.61,0.00,1.31,0.00
Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval,22.51,44.88,11.88,7.35,7.3 0,0.72,2.73,0.00,0.85,0.36,0.67,0.00,0.73
Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o,22.89,43.46,10.80,8.14,9.0 2,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.72,0.41,1.31,1.21,1.03
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2,1.37,17.34,0.00,14.97,0.00,0. 00,4.88,18.20,37.62,4.68,0.38,0.00,0.56
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3,11.29,23.24,0.00,18.30,0.00,0 .00,7.27,7.50,24.14,6.74,0.63,0.00,0.88
Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk,15.45,13.08,3.31,20.51,3.79 ,0.00,6.16,12.80,20.15,2.55,0.76,0.00,1.47
Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk,6.89,17.14,0.00,11.90,0.00, 0.00,5.53,14.51,36.98,5.25,0.64,0.18,0.98

[Jana]

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 3.1432% / 3.14321091

57.8 Slavic
33.5 Paleo_Balkan
8.6 Germanic
0.1 Turkic

Target: Stears
Distance: 2.0247% / 2.02472159

51.2 Slavic
15.2 Germanic
10.8 Celtic
10.6 Late_Roman
7.4 Paleo_Balkan
4.8 Uralo-Siberian

[Jana]

Target: Stearsolina_Father (Croat-Bosniak)
Distance: 2.6112% / 2.61117411

58.6 Slavic
22.6 Celtic
14.2 Paleo_Balkan
4.6 Late_Roman

Target: Stearsolina_Mother (Croat-German-Serb-Greek)
Distance: 1.6651% / 1.66505469

53.1 Slavic
18.1 Germanic
14.8 Late_Roman
14.0 Paleo_Balkan

Target: Stearsolina_Aunt (German-Serb-Greek)
Distance: 3.7467% / 3.74674924

43.3 Germanic
22.3 Paleo_Balkan
21.3 Slavic
13.1 Late_Roman

Target: Stearsolina_Step_Father (Croat)
Distance: 1.5904% / 1.59038091

62.3 Slavic
19.4 Germanic
11.0 Paleo_Balkan
7.3 Late_Roman

[Dušan]

Try my new ancient Iron Age-Medieval calculator:


Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28. 33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,1 5.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1,40.65,19.04,23.23,2.62, 9.27,2.00,0.37,0.00,0.51,0.72,0.99,0.60,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2,41.45,19.74,20.36,3.84, 9.31,1.15,1.14,0.14,0.73,0.23,0.80,0.51,0.62
Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic,53.60,28.3 0,7.29,3.78,0.34,3.59,1.02,0.00,0.00,0.22,0.42,0.2 4,1.23
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial,12.78,3.45,21.49,19.62,3 4.71,5.81,0.51,0.38,0.08,0.27,0.52,0.23,0.13
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1,13.98,1.53,23.90,8.02 ,37.14,9.92,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.83,3.06,0.98
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3,3.81,0.00,13.20,33.10 ,37.17,9.18,2.60,0.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.54,0.07
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4,2.16,0.57,17.43,20.86 ,41.50,13.03,1.47,0.44,0.00,0.05,0.08,2.41,0.00
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.70 ,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0.00,0.32,0.39,1.90,0.44
Late_Roman :Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1,15.72,1.01,34.51,1.54,2 8.02,12.16,0.00,0.48,0.00,0.18,0.26,4.02,2.09
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2,22.60,1.35,36 .59,8.34,25.22,4.94,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.26, 0.34
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman,24.53,1.23,42.64,7 .85,17.90,4.08,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.04,0.00,0.29,1.28
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o,22.61,0.00,20.12 ,13.06,23.26,11.76,2.14,1.76,0.00,2.11,0.00,3.17,0 .00
Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval,26.12,47.38,12.20,0 .50,6.11,1.90,0.00,1.34,2.53,0.61,0.00,1.31,0.00
Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval,22.51,44.88,11.88,7.35,7.3 0,0.72,2.73,0.00,0.85,0.36,0.67,0.00,0.73
Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o,22.89,43.46,10.80,8.14,9.0 2,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.72,0.41,1.31,1.21,1.03
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2,1.37,17.34,0.00,14.97,0.00,0. 00,4.88,18.20,37.62,4.68,0.38,0.00,0.56
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3,11.29,23.24,0.00,18.30,0.00,0 .00,7.27,7.50,24.14,6.74,0.63,0.00,0.88
Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk,15.45,13.08,3.31,20.51,3.79 ,0.00,6.16,12.80,20.15,2.55,0.76,0.00,1.47
Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk,6.89,17.14,0.00,11.90,0.00, 0.00,5.53,14.51,36.98,5.25,0.64,0.18,0.98

I got Slavic percentage, more than in any calculator before.
Something is lacking there.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.6614% / 1.66142669
74.3 Slavic
25.3 Late_Roman
0.4 Uralo-Siberian

[Jana]

I got Slavic percentage, more than in any calculator before.
Something is lacking there.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.6614% / 1.66142669
74.3 Slavic
25.3 Late_Roman
0.4 Uralo-Siberian

It's fine, looks realistic for you. It's just that your pre-Slavic part is very southern, but you get that everywhere.

[Dušan]

It's fine, looks realistic for you. It's just that your pre-Slavic part is very southern, but you get that everywhere.

Sardinian samples pop up the closest in 2-way model.

Distance to: Dušan
2.21794692 26.40% Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2 + 73.60% Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
2.30924591 24.80% Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2 + 75.20% Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
2.54651338 24.00% Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman + 76.00% Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
2.73241479 28.00% Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA + 72.00% Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
3.64875779 26.00% Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA + 74.00% Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
3.68033376 25.20% Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman + 74.80% Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval

[Scandal]

Try my new ancient Iron Age-Medieval calculator:


Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28. 33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,1 5.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1,40.65,19.04,23.23,2.62, 9.27,2.00,0.37,0.00,0.51,0.72,0.99,0.60,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2,41.45,19.74,20.36,3.84, 9.31,1.15,1.14,0.14,0.73,0.23,0.80,0.51,0.62
Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic,53.60,28.3 0,7.29,3.78,0.34,3.59,1.02,0.00,0.00,0.22,0.42,0.2 4,1.23
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial,12.78,3.45,21.49,19.62,3 4.71,5.81,0.51,0.38,0.08,0.27,0.52,0.23,0.13
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1,13.98,1.53,23.90,8.02 ,37.14,9.92,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.83,3.06,0.98
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3,3.81,0.00,13.20,33.10 ,37.17,9.18,2.60,0.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.54,0.07
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4,2.16,0.57,17.43,20.86 ,41.50,13.03,1.47,0.44,0.00,0.05,0.08,2.41,0.00
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.70 ,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0.00,0.32,0.39,1.90,0.44
Late_Roman :Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1,15.72,1.01,34.51,1.54,2 8.02,12.16,0.00,0.48,0.00,0.18,0.26,4.02,2.09
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2,22.60,1.35,36 .59,8.34,25.22,4.94,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.26, 0.34
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman,24.53,1.23,42.64,7 .85,17.90,4.08,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.04,0.00,0.29,1.28
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o,22.61,0.00,20.12 ,13.06,23.26,11.76,2.14,1.76,0.00,2.11,0.00,3.17,0 .00
Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval,26.12,47.38,12.20,0 .50,6.11,1.90,0.00,1.34,2.53,0.61,0.00,1.31,0.00
Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval,22.51,44.88,11.88,7.35,7.3 0,0.72,2.73,0.00,0.85,0.36,0.67,0.00,0.73
Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o,22.89,43.46,10.80,8.14,9.0 2,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.72,0.41,1.31,1.21,1.03
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2,1.37,17.34,0.00,14.97,0.00,0. 00,4.88,18.20,37.62,4.68,0.38,0.00,0.56
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3,11.29,23.24,0.00,18.30,0.00,0 .00,7.27,7.50,24.14,6.74,0.63,0.00,0.88
Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk,15.45,13.08,3.31,20.51,3.79 ,0.00,6.16,12.80,20.15,2.55,0.76,0.00,1.47
Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk,6.89,17.14,0.00,11.90,0.00, 0.00,5.53,14.51,36.98,5.25,0.64,0.18,0.98
I added it to post #3 in this thread, I prefer to have it on google drive because it can be edited later: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13DWeOu202FDtfWeNOj0gPkJaX4C5c6K4WeIlAGM-oZ0/edit?usp=sharing

[Jana]

I added it to post #3 in this thread, I prefer to have it on google drive because it can be edited later: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17B3upHeysAa0aVy-OBvJ9H9qRgtIgr_jZ7iLT0OMTUg/edit?usp=sharing

can you show your results?

[Scandal]

can you show your results?
Distance is too big


Target: Universe
Distance: 4.1801% / 4.18008318
74.5 Slavic
13.2 Germanic
12.3 Late_Roman

[Jana]

^^^^Distance isn't too important on individual samples. On averages it will always be smaller. You can have one or two atypical values and you will always get higher distances like me (high west Asian, low Red Sea/East Med for eg)
I think your values look fine.

[rothaer]

Try my new ancient Iron Age-Medieval calculator:

Target: rothaer
Distance: 208.8908% / 2.08890752
49.8 Slavic
45.0 Germanic
4.6 Late_Roman
0.6 Uralo-Siberian

Both in your and in Universe's calculator I get too high Slavic, I think. I suspect the lack of Central European Celtic-like component.

[Jana]

Target: rothaer
Distance: 208.8908% / 2.08890752
49.8 Slavic
45.0 Germanic
4.6 Late_Roman
0.6 Uralo-Siberian

Both in your and in Universe's calculator I get too high Slavic, I think. I suspect the lack of Central European Celtic-like component.

just remove Roman and Paleo Balkanic samples for your model, you don't need them.

[rothaer]

Target: Stearsolina_Aunt (German-Serb-Greek)
Distance: 3.7467% / 3.74674924

43.3 Germanic
22.3 Paleo_Balkan
21.3 Slavic
13.1 Late_Roman



Oh, oh, now her Germanic is rocketing and as high as mine! Wtf? :)

[Jana]

rothaer without roman/balkanic/turkic samples:

Target: rothaer
Distance: 2.1267% / 2.12665879

48.8 Slavic
40.1 Germanic
10.2 Celtic
0.9 Uralo-Siberian

[rothaer]

I got Slavic percentage, more than in any calculator before.
Something is lacking there.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.6614% / 1.66142669
74.3 Slavic
25.3 Late_Roman
0.4 Uralo-Siberian

Lol, with 74% Slavic you are close to lose your residence permit in the Balkans. :p

Could it be Celtic-like, do you get some of that otherwise? For me I assume that some Celtic-like is pushed into Slavic.

[Jana]

Oh, oh, now her Germanic is rocketing and as hig as mine! Wtf? :)

Well her German is mostly west German :D
but seriously, probably some Celtic is hidden in her Paleo Balkan (Croatia IA is close to Celtic)

However, her German side does not seem really southern German. I made various models and test for her with German regions, her German side is quite more Germanic than classic southern Germans.

[Jana]

Could it be Celtic-like, do you get some of that otherwise? For me I assume that some Celtic-like is pushed in Slavic.

It is not! He does have such high Slavic. I picked Slavic samples unmixed with anything western, they have very low North Atlantic.

[Jana]

rothaer is a semi-Slavka man :o

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 1.3634% / 1.36340021
40.1 Germanic
36.2 Slavic
18.7 Paleo_Balkan
5.0 Late_Roman

[Dušan]

Lol, with 74% Slavic you are close to lose your residence permit in the Balkans. :p

Could it be Celtic-like, do you get some of that otherwise? For me I assume that some Celtic-like is pushed into Slavic.

I have to return to Ukraine, but after overtrown of Zelenski. :)


No, I dont think there is Celtic influence, since my North Atlantic is low.


Population
North_Atlantic 22.32 Pct
Baltic 33.78 Pct
West_Med 18.56 Pct
West_Asian 8.15 Pct
East_Med 12.69 Pct
Red_Sea 1.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.73 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.92 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[rothaer]

rothaer without roman/balkanic/turkic samples:

Target: rothaer
Distance: 2.1267% / 2.12665879

48.8 Slavic
40.1 Germanic
10.2 Celtic
0.9 Uralo-Siberian

I don't reject any Roman wog in modelling me, but okay. Still higher Slavic than expected.

I do get 50.7% EE at 23andMe, but that I consider corresponding to West Slavic ancestry, which I consider to be a little bit diluted proto Slav.

[Jana]

I don't reject any Roman wog in modelling me, but okay. Still higher Slavic than expected.

I do get 50.7% EE at 23andMe, but that I consider corresponding to West Slavic ancestry, which I consider to be a little bit diluted proto Slav.

well you aren't southern German, so Roman makes no sense for you. If your west Slavic ancestry is Polish like, than it can be rather pure Slavka DNA :p

[rothaer]

rothaer is a semi-Slavka man :o

I'm getting abused by your calculator. I must find some tricks to get out of this... :cool:

[Jana]

medieval Ukrainian and Russian samples I used:

Distance to: Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval

6.36764478 Ukrainian_Northwest
6.37084767 Russian_Southwest
6.44850370 Ukrainian_North
6.49098606 Ukrainian
6.50963901 Belarusian
6.73365428 Polish_Mazovia
7.55327743 Ukrainian_South
7.63207049 Russian
7.66167736 Russian_Smolensk
7.89235706 Polish_Podlaskie
7.99781220 Polish
8.12495538 Polish_Subcarpathia
8.14674168 Russian_Ryazan
8.43044483 Polish_Silesia
8.47409582 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
8.54671867 Polish_Kujavia
8.55281240 Polish_Lesser_Poland
8.80174983 Polish_Greater_Poland
9.01231935 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
9.47011616 Russian_Kostroma
9.78322033 Polish_South
9.80481004 Russian_Pskov
9.91183131 Lithuanian_Aukštaitija
10.04514311 Russian_Kargopol
10.51300147 Ukrainian_Galicia

Distance to: Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval

4.94437054 Ukrainian_South
5.06978303 Ukrainian
5.11902334 Ukrainian_North
5.76845733 Russian_Southwest
5.81263279 Ukrainian_Northwest
5.95971476 Russian_Ryazan
6.93043289 Polish_Mazovia
7.25595617 Polish_Subcarpathia
7.51675462 Polish_Silesia
7.57534158 Ukrainian_Galicia
8.30390270 Belarusian
8.37409697 Russian
8.51206790 Russian_Smolensk
8.59426553 Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.86238117 Mordvin
8.98823676 Polish_South
9.16674970 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
9.28332914 Polish
9.39649935 Polish_Lesser_Poland
9.51925942 Polish_Podlaskie
9.76754831 Polish_Greater_Poland
10.01638657 Lemko_Poland
10.52523159 Russian_Kargopol
10.71822280 Russian_Kostroma
10.90276112 Polish_Kujavia

Distance to: Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o

5.15533704 Ukrainian_South
5.85714948 Ukrainian
5.97428657 Ukrainian_North
6.48798890 Russian_Southwest
6.61667590 Ukrainian_Northwest
6.84610838 Polish_Subcarpathia
7.03848705 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.15905720 Russian_Ryazan
7.41869935 Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.01945759 Polish_Silesia
8.04279802 Polish_Mazovia
8.82291902 Polish_South
8.95501535 Lemko_Poland
9.42402250 Russian
9.45790146 Polish_Lesser_Poland
9.50238391 Mordvin
9.76295550 Belarusian
9.90217148 Polish_Podlaskie
9.91007568 Russian_Smolensk
10.00552347 Polish_Greater_Poland
10.15851859 Polish
10.72834563 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
10.86602503 Slovak
11.21938501 Russian_Kostroma
11.22928760 Moldovan_North

[rothaer]

I have to return to Ukraine, but after overtrown of Zelenski. :)
(...)

Yeah, before he's overthrown there is the danger of being forcefully circumcised. Mentally and physically. :p

[Jana]

Btw south Ukraine is not genetically southern shifted like western Ukraine or Rusyns. they are recent settlers from other parts of Ukraine and Russia, many are russophone. In case anyone is wondering why medieval Slavs are close to them.

[Jana]

my Hungarian friends:

Target: Blanka (Budapest+north Hungary)
Distance: 2.1733% / 2.17327312

42.1 Slavic
34.8 Germanic
12.8 Paleo_Balkan
10.3 Late_Roman

Target: Péter (Alfold)
Distance: 2.5121% / 2.51205244

40.1 Slavic
30.2 Celtic
16.5 Germanic
13.2 Paleo_Balkan

Croat 1/4 Czech (Slavonia)

Target: Manda
Distance: 2.7277% / 2.72768044

79.0 Slavic
12.0 Paleo_Balkan
9.0 Germanic

Croat/Slovene/Czech (Zagreb)

Target: Hrvoje
Distance: 3.0805% / 3.08047866

51.7 Slavic
22.0 Germanic
19.3 Paleo_Balkan
7.0 Late_Roman

My friends, Croats:

Target: Damjan (western Croatia)
Distance: 3.0073% / 3.00731148

56.3 Slavic
22.3 Germanic
15.4 Paleo_Balkan
6.0 Late_Roman

Target: David (western Croatia)
Distance: 2.4449% / 2.44486169

64.7 Slavic
20.3 Late_Roman
14.1 Germanic
0.9 Paleo_Balkan

Target: Dominik (Dalmatia+central Croatia)
Distance: 3.0749% / 3.07493496

71.0 Slavic
18.5 Paleo_Balkan
5.9 Celtic
4.6 Late_Roman

Target: Renato (western Croatia+Dalmatia)
Distance: 2.4326% / 2.43261697

65.6 Slavic
21.8 Paleo_Balkan
6.8 Germanic
5.8 Late_Roman

[rothaer]

If your west Slavic ancestry is Polish like, (...)

:stop00010: My Wends (Lutici, Hevelli, Milceni and Pomeranians) will be incomparable to that.

[Jana]

:stop00010: My Wends (Lutici, Hevelli, Milceni and Pomeranians) will be incomparable to that.

xD xD

:P

[Dušan]

Yeah, before he's overthrown there is the danger of being forcefully circumcised. Mentally and physically. :p

LOL :p xD

[Impaler]

High distance for me:

Target: Impaler
Distance: 5.7984% / 5.79843814
49.4 Late_Roman
21.4 Slavic
19.7 Germanic
8.0 Turkic
1.5 Celtic

[Jana]

Target: Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
Distance: 2.1490% / 2.14899774
55.0 Slavic
29.1 Late_Roman
15.9 Paleo_Balkan

Target: Kökény(Hungarian)
Distance: 1.6788% / 1.67879338
28.8 Celtic
27.3 Slavic
22.9 Late_Roman
15.0 Germanic
3.4 Uralo-Siberian
2.6 Turkic

Target: Ph2ter(Croat)
Distance: 1.6961% / 1.69609071
55.4 Slavic
30.2 Germanic
12.0 Paleo_Balkan
2.3 Late_Roman
0.1 Uralo-Siberian

Target: someonenotyou(Hungarian)
Distance: 3.0697% / 3.06967471

39.6 Slavic
30.2 Paleo_Balkan
15.4 Celtic
5.0 Germanic
4.5 Late_Roman
4.5 Turkic
0.8 Uralo-Siberian

Target: Imre(Hungarian_¼_Dutch)
Distance: 1.7287% / 1.72868254

38.8 Slavic
23.7 Celtic
16.1 Paleo_Balkan
13.3 Germanic
8.1 Late_Roman

Target: imre_mother(Hungarian)
Distance: 3.3169% / 3.31689503
45.0 Slavic
31.1 Celtic
8.2 Late_Roman
7.1 Paleo_Balkan
5.5 Germanic
3.1 Turkic

Target: Michal(Pole)
Distance: 2.3420% / 2.34202575
88.6 Slavic
8.7 Germanic
2.7 Uralo-Siberian

Target: Noricum(Austrian)
Distance: 3.4101% / 3.41009680
53.3 Slavic
29.7 Germanic
16.9 Paleo_Balkan
0.1 Late_Roman

Target: Commonsense(Serb)
Distance: 2.9166% / 2.91658980
56.0 Slavic
27.6 Paleo_Balkan
16.4 Late_Roman

Target: Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
Distance: 1.5976% / 1.59756590
72.6 Slavic
15.2 Paleo_Balkan
12.2 Late_Roman

Target: Andre(Romanian)
Distance: 1.8097% / 1.80974531
47.5 Slavic
39.0 Late_Roman
11.1 Germanic
2.4 Paleo_Balkan

Target: Ford(Serb)
Distance: 2.0600% / 2.06003853
65.2 Slavic
24.0 Paleo_Balkan
10.8 Celtic

Target: Benyzero(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.5209% / 2.52094067
51.4 Slavic
39.4 Celtic
9.2 Paleo_Balkan

Target: Chris(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.6983% / 2.69828272
58.4 Slavic
18.3 Late_Roman
12.8 Celtic
10.0 Paleo_Balkan
0.5 Turkic

Target: magicalM(Hungarian)
Distance: 4.7762% / 4.77624893
36.2 Slavic
34.7 Germanic
19.8 Paleo_Balkan
5.1 Turkic
4.2 Late_Roman

Target: nuti(Slovak)
Distance: 2.7950% / 2.79503876
71.7 Slavic
22.0 Germanic
4.3 Late_Roman
2.0 Uralo-Siberian

Target: vbn(Serb)
Distance: 2.4349% / 2.43492021
68.5 Slavic
31.5 Late_Roman

[Jana]

another Slavic sample to use:

Poland_Medieval_1,26.02,40.91,13.35,3.24,6.65,1.58 ,2.73,0.00,0.00,3.34,0.17,0.00,2.01

I didn't pick it initially because it has kind of lower Baltic (than early Slavs) I think.

[rothaer]

No good fit and nevertheless the calculator prefers to stick to just two components:

Target: rothaer_wife2(German)
Distance: 391.1282% / 3.91128193

74.6 Germanic
25.4 Slavic

[Jana]

No good fit and nevertheless the calculator prefers to stick to just two components:

Target: rothaer_wife2(German)
Distance: 391.1282% / 3.91128193

74.6 Germanic
25.4 Slavic

She would get better fit with more Baltic shifted Slav sample, but looks good :)

[Bessarion]

Target: bojan
Distance: 268.2528% / 2.68252813
43.8 Slavic
29.2 Germanic
18.0 Late_Roman
6.8 Celtic
2.2 Paleo_Balkan


As usual. But what is a reference for Late_Roman?

[noricum]

Lep pozdrav iz Avstrija!

Both Slavic and Germanic are a bit higher on this calc, the Southern Euro accordingly lower. Usually it's 50/25/25

Target: K13Noricum(austrian)
Distance: 341.0131% / 3.41013134
53.4 Slavic
29.6 Germanic
17.0 Paleo_Balkan

Distance to: K13Noricum(austrian)
15.79072513 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
16.70906042 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
16.76306356 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
17.93183482 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
19.63028528 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
23.68771412 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
25.52216488 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
41.03745484 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
41.75332562 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
42.71460874 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
43.11422735 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
45.01023217 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
46.33326990 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
48.34762559 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
48.63924958 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
49.12557582 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
54.81272206 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
59.55462451 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2
59.83461456 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
61.12396093 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
61.76369808 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5

[noricum]

Target: noricum_halfbrother(austrian)
Distance: 273.6703% / 2.73670315
80.8 Slavic
8.8 Germanic
6.4 Late_Roman
4.0 Celtic

Distance to: noricum_halfbrother(austrian)
7.74146627 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
8.06147629 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
8.83067948 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
26.78696138 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
27.97398613 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
31.16904554 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
32.68744254 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
41.70054676 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
43.74660901 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
46.16760228 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
46.61543950 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
49.70313471 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
51.05784269 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
51.30396573 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
52.08156104 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
52.42354433 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
53.91247073 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
58.07259164 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2
61.41711406 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
62.85882595 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
63.03831692 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5

noricum_halfbrother(austrian),27.38,41.09,12.60,3. 48,9.44,1.47,2.72,0.19,0.22,0.07,1.00,0.23,0.00

[mariusz99]

Try my new ancient Iron Age-Medieval calculator:


Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28. 33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,1 5.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1,40.65,19.04,23.23,2.62, 9.27,2.00,0.37,0.00,0.51,0.72,0.99,0.60,0.00
Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2,41.45,19.74,20.36,3.84, 9.31,1.15,1.14,0.14,0.73,0.23,0.80,0.51,0.62
Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic,53.60,28.3 0,7.29,3.78,0.34,3.59,1.02,0.00,0.00,0.22,0.42,0.2 4,1.23
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial,12.78,3.45,21.49,19.62,3 4.71,5.81,0.51,0.38,0.08,0.27,0.52,0.23,0.13
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1,13.98,1.53,23.90,8.02 ,37.14,9.92,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.83,3.06,0.98
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3,3.81,0.00,13.20,33.10 ,37.17,9.18,2.60,0.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.54,0.07
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4,2.16,0.57,17.43,20.86 ,41.50,13.03,1.47,0.44,0.00,0.05,0.08,2.41,0.00
Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.70 ,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0.00,0.32,0.39,1.90,0.44
Late_Roman :Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1,15.72,1.01,34.51,1.54,2 8.02,12.16,0.00,0.48,0.00,0.18,0.26,4.02,2.09
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2,22.60,1.35,36 .59,8.34,25.22,4.94,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.26, 0.34
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman,24.53,1.23,42.64,7 .85,17.90,4.08,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.04,0.00,0.29,1.28
Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o,22.61,0.00,20.12 ,13.06,23.26,11.76,2.14,1.76,0.00,2.11,0.00,3.17,0 .00
Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval,26.12,47.38,12.20,0 .50,6.11,1.90,0.00,1.34,2.53,0.61,0.00,1.31,0.00
Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval,22.51,44.88,11.88,7.35,7.3 0,0.72,2.73,0.00,0.85,0.36,0.67,0.00,0.73
Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o,22.89,43.46,10.80,8.14,9.0 2,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.72,0.41,1.31,1.21,1.03
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2,1.37,17.34,0.00,14.97,0.00,0. 00,4.88,18.20,37.62,4.68,0.38,0.00,0.56
Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3,11.29,23.24,0.00,18.30,0.00,0 .00,7.27,7.50,24.14,6.74,0.63,0.00,0.88
Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk,15.45,13.08,3.31,20.51,3.79 ,0.00,6.16,12.80,20.15,2.55,0.76,0.00,1.47
Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk,6.89,17.14,0.00,11.90,0.00, 0.00,5.53,14.51,36.98,5.25,0.64,0.18,0.98

merged file:

Target: Mariusz
Distance: 435.4733% / 4.35473301
79.4 Slavic
20.6 Germanic

Ancestry file:

Target: mariusz
Distance: 422.8168% / 4.22816782
80.2 Slavic
19.8 Germanic

[alexmegas777]

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
Distance: 0.9168% / 0.91677653
67.2 Paleo_Balkan
26.4 Slavic
4.7 Late_Roman
1.7 Uralo-Siberian

[Scandal]

Target: noricum_halfbrother(austrian)
Distance: 273.6703% / 2.73670315
80.8 Slavic
8.8 Germanic
6.4 Late_Roman
4.0 Celtic

Distance to: noricum_halfbrother(austrian)
7.74146627 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
8.06147629 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
8.83067948 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
26.78696138 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
27.97398613 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
31.16904554 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
32.68744254 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
41.70054676 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
43.74660901 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
46.16760228 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
46.61543950 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
49.70313471 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
51.05784269 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
51.30396573 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
52.08156104 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
52.42354433 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
53.91247073 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
58.07259164 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2
61.41711406 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
62.85882595 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
63.03831692 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5

noricum_halfbrother(austrian),27.38,41.09,12.60,3. 48,9.44,1.47,2.72,0.19,0.22,0.07,1.00,0.23,0.00
Does your half brother look Slavic or Eastern European?

[noricum]

Does your half brother look Slavic or Eastern European?

No, he looks central euro. Like a more handsome version of the military aviation history guy on youtube.

[Geni]

:cry

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace
Distance: 412.9343% / 4.12934327
85.2 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
13.0 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
1.8 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk

Distance to: Grace
6.51114429 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
17.92158754 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
20.55730770 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
29.38036589 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
34.87926748 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
34.93435272 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
35.73961248 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
47.21719178 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
47.70082180 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
48.45659811 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
50.50731432 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
51.67347385 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
52.07621914 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
58.03427091 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
58.34115443 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
59.52151712 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
61.42275881 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
66.99349595 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2
70.39335480 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
71.09674887 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
71.66039771 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5

[Nausevar]

I don't like these kind of models because it mixes different sources from different times and places who often did not mix. It would be more useful to have a balkan average from 300AD, and an early slav sample from 600AD and see the proportions. Italians didn't migrate to the Dinaric Alps.

[Geni]

Target: Geni(Albanian)
Distance: 245.5584% / 2.45558401
38.8 Paleo_Balkan
34.4 Late_Roman
18.8 Slavic
8.0 Germanic

Distance to: Geni(Albanian)
13.91660878 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
15.38182694 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
17.24396996 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
18.79851590 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
20.04873811 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
20.90371498 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
24.74334860 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
26.41243646 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
26.67087925 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
26.94604980 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
32.54835787 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
35.29209685 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
36.48798569 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
36.60603366 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5
38.28106320 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
39.72118956 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
42.24160508 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
45.54219253 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
46.41051282 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
55.28641063 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
58.59554420 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2

[de Burgh II]

I'm of Cornish descent; there is no way my Germanic ancestry would be this high.... :confused:

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 522.5880% / 5.22587980
78.2 Germanic
21.8 Late_Roman


Distance to: de_Burgh_II
11.60633017 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
13.30313497 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
13.89758612 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
23.17234343 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
36.55239253 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
36.98617985 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
37.34683521 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
41.81607825 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
41.95011919 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
44.23580789 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
45.07995342 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
47.02460420 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
51.29856138 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
51.65026428 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
53.55097665 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
54.16740533 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
61.54412320 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
66.83434895 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
66.93276701 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
67.04778669 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2
68.24687685 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5


I would strongly recommend these Bronze Age samples from Creoda that seems very succinct.



Iberian,44.38,8.43,36.51,0,6.32,1.76,0.41,0.51,0.4 1,0.4,0.14,0.04,0.69
Greek,22.30,9.82,26.46,7.90,27.94,3.38,0.03,0.17,0 .28,1.12,0.5,0,0.11
Germanic,51.14,28.61,9.91,5.60,1.73,0.43,0.42,0.36 ,0.64,0.91,0.15,0.01,0.10
Slavic,29.37,49.40,7.59,3.87,4.98,1.44,0.97,0.18,1 .32,0.18,0.38,0.20,0.13
Gaulish,42.85,16.74,22.72,4.28,9.36,1.58,0.63,0.27 , 0.34,0.47,0.31,0.25,0.21
Insular_Celtic,53.20,22.52,12.53,6.87,0.94,0.60,1. 43,0.09,0.42,0.82,0.31,0.07,0.14
Balkanic,21.26,20.34,19.00,11.77,22.61,3.09,0.18,0 .47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00
Roman,26.51,11.18,22.71,10.53,23.91,3.64,0.25,0. 23,0.1,0.24,0.32,0.24,0.11
Finnic,34.17,47.69,4.43,2.21,0.65,0.42,0.53,0.96,6 .48,0.90,0.81,0.50,0.26
Baltic,26.74,58.36,6.41,2.73,0.78,1.1,0.77,0.09,1 .43,0.73,0.32,0.33,0.22
SSA,0.07,0.06,0.08,0.07,0.10,0.13,0.08,0.07,0.22,0 .07,0.33,13.01,85.70

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359562-Post-your-Eurogenes-k13-Ancient-Bronze-Age-quot-Ethnicity-quot-admixture-via-Vahaduo

Distance to: de_Burgh_II
5.83958046 Insular_Celtic
10.45500837 Germanic
12.25072243 Gaulish
25.58237088 Iberian
33.44975934 Roman
34.62838720 Finnic
35.08013255 Balkanic
36.73588164 Slavic
39.86456070 Greek
45.83543607 Baltic
103.60283008 SSA

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 76.4373% / 0.76437300
81.4 Insular_Celtic
8.6 Iberian
8.0 Greek
1.4 Germanic
0.6 Gaulish

[Geni]

I'm of Cornish descent; there is no way my Germanic ancestry would be this high.... :confused:

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 522.5880% / 5.22587980
78.2 Germanic
21.8 Late_Roman


Distance to: de_Burgh_II
11.60633017 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
13.30313497 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
13.89758612 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
23.17234343 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
36.55239253 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
36.98617985 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
37.34683521 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
41.81607825 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
41.95011919 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
44.23580789 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
45.07995342 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
47.02460420 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
51.29856138 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
51.65026428 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
53.55097665 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
54.16740533 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
61.54412320 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
66.83434895 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
66.93276701 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
67.04778669 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2
68.24687685 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5


I would strongly recommend these Bronze Age samples from Creoda that seems very succinct.



Iberian,44.38,8.43,36.51,0,6.32,1.76,0.41,0.51,0.4 1,0.4,0.14,0.04,0.69
Greek,22.30,9.82,26.46,7.90,27.94,3.38,0.03,0.17,0 .28,1.12,0.5,0,0.11
Germanic,51.14,28.61,9.91,5.60,1.73,0.43,0.42,0.36 ,0.64,0.91,0.15,0.01,0.10
Slavic,29.37,49.40,7.59,3.87,4.98,1.44,0.97,0.18,1 .32,0.18,0.38,0.20,0.13
Gaulish,42.85,16.74,22.72,4.28,9.36,1.58,0.63,0.27 , 0.34,0.47,0.31,0.25,0.21
Insular_Celtic,53.20,22.52,12.53,6.87,0.94,0.60,1. 43,0.09,0.42,0.82,0.31,0.07,0.14
Balkanic,21.26,20.34,19.00,11.77,22.61,3.09,0.18,0 .47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00
Roman,26.51,11.18,22.71,10.53,23.91,3.64,0.25,0. 23,0.1,0.24,0.32,0.24,0.11
Finnic,34.17,47.69,4.43,2.21,0.65,0.42,0.53,0.96,6 .48,0.90,0.81,0.50,0.26
Baltic,26.74,58.36,6.41,2.73,0.78,1.1,0.77,0.09,1 .43,0.73,0.32,0.33,0.22
SSA,0.07,0.06,0.08,0.07,0.10,0.13,0.08,0.07,0.22,0 .07,0.33,13.01,85.70

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359562-Post-your-Eurogenes-k13-Ancient-Bronze-Age-quot-Ethnicity-quot-admixture-via-Vahaduo

Distance to: de_Burgh_II
5.83958046 Insular_Celtic
10.45500837 Germanic
12.25072243 Gaulish
25.58237088 Iberian
33.44975934 Roman
34.62838720 Finnic
35.08013255 Balkanic
36.73588164 Slavic
39.86456070 Greek
45.83543607 Baltic
103.60283008 SSA

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 76.4373% / 0.76437300
81.4 Insular_Celtic
8.6 Iberian
8.0 Greek
1.4 Germanic
0.6 Gaulish

Distance to: Geni(Albanian)
5.15133963 Roman
7.84416344 Greek
8.36008373 Balkanic
27.19582137 Gaulish
35.24084278 Iberian
41.51511050 Insular_Celtic
42.17534469 Germanic
45.10440666 Slavic
48.67027943 Finnic
54.61747065 Baltic
97.55845888 SSA

[Jana]

I'm of Cornish descent; there is no way my Germanic ancestry would be this high.... :confused:

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 522.5880% / 5.22587980
78.2 Germanic
21.8 Late_Roman


Distance to: de_Burgh_II
11.60633017 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA2
13.30313497 Germanic:Germany_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic
13.89758612 Celtic:France_GrandEst_IA1
23.17234343 Paleo_Balkan:Croatia_EIA
36.55239253 Slavic:Ukraine_Viking_o
36.98617985 Slavic:Russia_Sunghir_Medieval
37.34683521 Slavic:Ukraine_Medieval
41.81607825 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman_o
41.95011919 Paleo_Balkan:Bulgaria_IA
44.23580789 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_Roman
45.07995342 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_2
47.02460420 Turkic:Kazakhstan_Turk
51.29856138 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_3
51.65026428 Late_Roman:Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
53.55097665 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial
54.16740533 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o1
61.54412320 Turkic:Kyrgyzstan_Turk
66.83434895 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o3
66.93276701 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o4
67.04778669 Uralo-Siberian:Russia_IA_2
68.24687685 Late_Roman:Italy_Imperial_o5


I would strongly recommend these Bronze Age samples from Creoda that seems very succinct.



Iberian,44.38,8.43,36.51,0,6.32,1.76,0.41,0.51,0.4 1,0.4,0.14,0.04,0.69
Greek,22.30,9.82,26.46,7.90,27.94,3.38,0.03,0.17,0 .28,1.12,0.5,0,0.11
Germanic,51.14,28.61,9.91,5.60,1.73,0.43,0.42,0.36 ,0.64,0.91,0.15,0.01,0.10
Slavic,29.37,49.40,7.59,3.87,4.98,1.44,0.97,0.18,1 .32,0.18,0.38,0.20,0.13
Gaulish,42.85,16.74,22.72,4.28,9.36,1.58,0.63,0.27 , 0.34,0.47,0.31,0.25,0.21
Insular_Celtic,53.20,22.52,12.53,6.87,0.94,0.60,1. 43,0.09,0.42,0.82,0.31,0.07,0.14
Balkanic,21.26,20.34,19.00,11.77,22.61,3.09,0.18,0 .47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00
Roman,26.51,11.18,22.71,10.53,23.91,3.64,0.25,0. 23,0.1,0.24,0.32,0.24,0.11
Finnic,34.17,47.69,4.43,2.21,0.65,0.42,0.53,0.96,6 .48,0.90,0.81,0.50,0.26
Baltic,26.74,58.36,6.41,2.73,0.78,1.1,0.77,0.09,1 .43,0.73,0.32,0.33,0.22
SSA,0.07,0.06,0.08,0.07,0.10,0.13,0.08,0.07,0.22,0 .07,0.33,13.01,85.70

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359562-Post-your-Eurogenes-k13-Ancient-Bronze-Age-quot-Ethnicity-quot-admixture-via-Vahaduo

Distance to: de_Burgh_II
5.83958046 Insular_Celtic
10.45500837 Germanic
12.25072243 Gaulish
25.58237088 Iberian
33.44975934 Roman
34.62838720 Finnic
35.08013255 Balkanic
36.73588164 Slavic
39.86456070 Greek
45.83543607 Baltic
103.60283008 SSA

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 76.4373% / 0.76437300
81.4 Insular_Celtic
8.6 Iberian
8.0 Greek
1.4 Germanic
0.6 Gaulish

It is a calculator made for east and central Europeans, that is why it makes no sense for Brits.