genetic divisions of europe

[Nurzat]

the original map from Eurogenes
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2817/calabria4.png

to make it geographically consistent i just turn it to the left by ninety degrees and then highlighted the regions formed
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/200/eurogenesmdsmap2.png


you can show your maps too or discuss the best positioning of the borders i put :)

*SECOND IMAGE UPDATED AS NEW USERS WANT TO HAVE THEIR LOCATION SHOWN AND SOME DELIMITATIONS ARE MODIFIED*

[leisitox]

Interesting, Basques and sardinians are separated from the other europeans in this divisions. But they are more "europid" than turks and jews. I dont know much about inmigations but why is this?

[Pallantides]

the original map from Eurogenes
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2817/calabria4.png


Marked myself:
http://i.imgur.com/U1gYx.png



*Anyway shouldn't this be in the Eurogenes Project thread in the genetics section?

[Pallantides]

We are pretty far away from each other aren't we?;)

[Nurzat]

We are pretty far away from each other aren't we?;)

well you're far closer to me than to any southern european :D

but you are a very northern specimen

[Logan]

ok, see this updated version. if there are other members on the map, let me know, to point you
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/200/eurogenesmdsmap2.png

Where might the Bosnians and Albanians line up?:cool:

[Nurzat]

Where might the Bosnians and Albanians line up?:cool:

bosnians probably in the green romanian-bulgarian cluster while albanians probably in the orange italian-greek one (i am thinking of the maps from esquilax page)

[Lábaru]

The green Italians are from the North, right? and the other ones close to Greek from South?

Reminds me of this other map:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/13/science/figure1a_600.jpg

[Sikeliot]

It'd have been more meaningful to put the Italians in the green box that are JUST almost touching the orange box, in the orange box. The green box goes from almost touching Basques to Greeks so it seems like it could be split.

[Damião de Góis]

I'm PT2, i'm the same area as PT5, PT7 and ES5:

http://oi43.tinypic.com/s3ngvl.jpg

[Hevneren]

The green Italians are from the North, right? and the other ones close to Greek from South?

Reminds me of this other map:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/13/science/figure1a_600.jpg

What's weird about the map above is that Norwegians overlap with the Dutch, Irish, Danes, British and Northern Germans, but not with the Swedes! It's something that doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:

[Peyrol]

the original map from Eurogenes
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2817/calabria4.png

to make it geographically consistent i just turn it to the left by ninety degrees and then highlighted the regions formed
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7946/eurogenesmdsmap.png


you can show your maps too or discuss the best positioning of the borders i put :)

The second map shows very clearly how massive is the greek genetic heritage (from the ancient doric/ionic colonies) in southern Italy.

[Pallantides]

What's weird about the map above is that Norwegians overlap with the Dutch, Irish, Danes, British and Northern Germans, but not with the Swedes! It's something that doesn't make sense to me. :shrug:

It's because the sample is from Haugesund I believe, if it was an area in East Norway that had been sampled instead they would cluster closer to the Swedes.
Also Haugesund was a hotspot for Scottish and Dutch sailors, traders and immigrants in the 16th and 17th century. So it might not be that surprising they pull towards them.

[Hevneren]

It's because the sample is from Haugesund I believe, if it was an area in East Norway that had been sampled instead they would cluster closer to the Swedes.
Also Haugesund was a hotspot for Scottish and Dutch sailors, traders and immigrants in the 16th and 17th century. So it might not be that surprising they pull towards them.

It might be the same story down south where I live. We were a port to and from the Hanseatic League, much like Haugesund. Although, I also read that we in the south also have the least diverse genes. Might just be because so many left from the south to the Norse colonies and the New World that the rest of us became inbred. :p

[Pallantides]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6493/genesmirrorgeographyfor.jpg

[Nurzat]

so, the new, updated map. four members shown on it now :D

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/200/eurogenesmdsmap2.png

isn't it unbelievable how geographically consistent it is? now that we are not that mixed, i mean not in the last generations most of use. probably the genetic map won't be the same as consistent with the geographical map of europe in a few generations :) but for now it's quite surprising

[Unurautare]

so, the new, updated map. four members shown on it now :D

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/200/eurogenesmdsmap2.png

isn't it unbelievable how geographically consistent it is? now that we are not that mixed, i mean not in the last generations most of use. probably the genetic map won't be the same as consistent with the geographical map of europe in a few generations :) but for now it's quite surprising

Since you asked my opinion(I can't interpret these maps how it is so it's gonna be subjective):It's incomplete since there aren't members for each "category". Though it's not surprising that countries share genetics with their closest neighbors,if that's what you were asking.I suppose it's some ancient Thracian "substatum" that links us with the South neighbors,if it was the "slavic" part I imagine we would be in the same category as Russians,Polacks and Finns.

[d3cimat3d]

What would you call the area east of Bulgaria/Romania/Serbia? That's where I am, but not listed on this map because I had a dispute with Polako & he took me off. :p

*edit* Older one - here I am, MD1:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2814dxi.png

[Nurzat]

Since you asked my opinion(I can't interpret these maps how it is so it's gonna be subjective):It's incomplete since there aren't members for each "category". Though it's not surprising that countries share genetics with their closest neighbors,if that's what you were asking.I suppose it's some ancient Thracian "substatum" that links us with the South neighbors,if it was the "slavic" part I imagine we would be in the same category as Russians,Polacks and Finns.

the romanians here are mostly from the Behar et al study, from mega-south and mixed Ploiesti and Constanta, so i guess moldavians and transylvanians would be mostly out of the balkan cluster

[Nurzat]

What would you call the area east of Bulgaria/Romania/Serbia? That's where I am, but not listed on this map because I had a dispute with Polako & he took me off. :p

closer to the balkans or to the caucasians or to the north-easterners? :D

[Damião de Góis]

so, the new, updated map. four members shown on it now :D

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/200/eurogenesmdsmap2.png

isn't it unbelievable how geographically consistent it is? now that we are not that mixed, i mean not in the last generations most of use. probably the genetic map won't be the same as consistent with the geographical map of europe in a few generations :) but for now it's quite surprising

Thank you. I think it matches very well with my position on 23andme. Both there and on this plot i'm much closer to north italians than to basques.

[Sturmgewehr]

bosnians probably in the green romanian-bulgarian cluster while albanians probably in the orange italian-greek one (i am thinking of the maps from esquilax page)

How come Albanians be in the Orange zone and BG be in the Green zone.

According to this Map I think Albanians belong to the Green zone and according to these study which shows how Albanians are Relatively close to their neighbors like Macedonians, Montenegrians we should belong to the Green zone

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http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6493/genesmirrorgeographyfor.jpg

[Prengs]

How come Albanians be in the Orange zone and BG be in the Green zone.

According to this Map I think Albanians belong to the Green zone and according to these study which shows how Albanians are Relatively close to their neighbors like Macedonians, Montenegrians we should belong to the Green zone



Most similarities we have with central italians (from Puglia above).
With compare of other balcan peoples, difference is R1a that low among Albanians, and R1b that is high among Albs (nearly 25%) while low among them.

[Sturmgewehr]

Most similarities we have with central italians (from Puglia above).
With compare of other balcan peoples, difference is R1a that low among Albanians, and R1b that is high among Albs (nearly 25%) while low among them.

yeah I know that but still having same Haplogroup with someone doesn't mean u will cluster the same with him or having a different haplogroup doesn't mean u will cluster differently from him.

For instance an E1b1b EV13 Subclade from England would be clustering with the rest of British people and their haplogroups.

If an Albanian has R1b it doesn't mean he will cluster with Irish people.

I mean this is what i have come to understand from all this time reading genetics here and there.

[oyster]

Very interesting threads you started lately, I mean that one asking what ancient population would we match in looks and this one. Too bad I am not part of any program like Eurogenes, but as I see it on the map, there is no question where one would fit; I mean, I would be in the green zone for sure, I am unmixed (northeast) Romanian. There is a very long Eurogenes thread, you should search it and come up with more Apricitans on your map, the more the better.

[Joso]

cool, basque master race