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Peterski

03-24-2022, 03:57 PM

Final Edit:

In the end - after adding also Koinanbe & Kosipe to "Australoid" references - the PCA looks like this (in my opinion now it looks the best):

https://i.imgur.com/jHGRDIW.png

https://i.imgur.com/jHGRDIW.png

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This G25 calc is based on my classification from my thread "Divergence of races" (the last 10th race is added in post #96):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?200806-Divergence-of-races

Preliminary version is finished and this is how they plot in a PCA (scaled coordinates):

https://i.imgur.com/xRQKxZD.png

For Veddoid there are no "real" samples, but I used Simulated AASI (Ancestral Ancient South Indian foragers) by DMXX:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?17794-New-Simulated-AASI-G25-Coordinates-(-Updates)&highlight=simulated+AASI

I'm not publishing the calc's references yet, but If you post your scaled Global25 coordinates I will check what you score.

[B]Here is what I score:

Target: Peterski_scaled
Distance: 6.1054% / 0.06105373
100.0 Caucasoid
0.0 Amerind
0.0 Australoid
0.0 Bambutid
0.0 Capoid
0.0 Mongoloid
0.0 NEast_African
0.0 Negritoid
0.0 Negroid
0.0 Veddoid

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EDIT:

After adding some more samples, positions in the PCA change, but the overall picture is similar:

https://i.imgur.com/fXJIdBD.png

Peterski

03-24-2022, 04:03 PM

Here is what SlavicItalian scores (he sent me his G25 coordinates before):

Target: SlavicItalian_scaled
Distance: 5.5858% / 0.05585799
100.0 Caucasoid
0.0 Amerindian
0.0 Australoid
0.0 Bambutid
0.0 Capoid
0.0 Mongoloid
0.0 NEast_African
0.0 Negritoid
0.0 Negroid
0.0 Veddoid

Distances are quite high because it is based mostly on very ancient samples.

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EDIT:

If using unscaled coordinates, PCA looks like this (maybe better for Eurasia):

https://i.imgur.com/9elbY0Z.png

J. Ketch

03-24-2022, 04:21 PM

What about the sub-races of Caucasoids? How would you categorise it.

Peterski

03-24-2022, 04:31 PM

What about the sub-races of Caucasoids? How would you categorise it.

So far I added mostly very ancient samples, and these are the "edges" of the Caucasoid cluster:

(I will experiment with adding more samples and see if anything falls beyond these boundaries)

https://i.imgur.com/288ObYs.png

EDIT:

Here are the main sub-divisions (after removing extremely old Paleolithic samples which tend to plot in the middle of this Caucasoid cluster):

https://i.imgur.com/cpd43DG.png

Ajeje Brazorf

03-24-2022, 04:42 PM

These are the Global25 samples, in order from most divergent to least divergent.

Ju_hoan_North:B_Ju_hoan_North-4,-0.619198,0.062963,0.023759,0.027455,0.000615,-0.002789,0.274022,-0.217376,0.022089,0.010387,0.007795,-0.08977,-0.034043,0.016652,0.03393,-0.045346,0.066365,0.58036,-0.194958,0.010005,-0.077738,-0.005564,0.025512,-0.000482,0.003353
Papuan:HGDP00552,-0.046667,-0.24068,-0.264362,0.318803,0.213578,-0.52292,-0.0047,0.003692,-0.047654,-0.010934,-0.021922,0.003297,0.003271,-0.00055,-0.001493,-0.000796,-0.005215,-0.000507,0.003268,-0.003502,-0.001248,0.003462,0.000493,-0.000482,0.010179
Surui:HGDP00843,0.053497,-0.311768,0.11653,0.11079,-0.119407,-0.026216,-0.33489,-0.398983,-0.019839,-0.022962,0.006496,-0.007943,0.005798,0.039635,-0.016151,0.000133,0.009127,-0.00266,-0.006788,0.001,-0.004118,0.012365,-0.010599,-0.00976,-0.007185
ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso:RMPR15,0.126344,0.11272 4,0.204022,0.208982,0.175417,0.063029,0.014806,0.0 46152,0.113715,0.024602,-0.019162,-0.016635,0.020664,-0.002064,0.06691,0.067753,-0.004824,0.008108,-0.007039,0.067532,0.120787,0.014838,-0.058789,-0.201233,0.017962
Mbuti:S_Mbuti-2.DG,-0.648792,0.054839,0.026398,0.039729,-0.001539,0.011435,0.376017,-0.295834,0.01943,0.030433,-0.014128,0.220903,0.132159,0.004954,0.010586,0.003 05,-0.000913,-0.056883,0.019986,0.005378,0.004742,-0.001113,0.001725,0.003856,0.001916
Ami:NA13615,0.023903,-0.444802,-0.048649,-0.074613,0.14772,0.069723,0,-0.005077,-0.025565,-0.020046,0.049041,0.006444,-0.01219,-0.007844,0.006243,0.006762,0.006258,0.005194,0.007 29,-0.027263,0.008485,-0.029306,0.001356,-0.004338,-0.04778
Even:even2682,0.042115,-0.442771,0.144814,-0.019057,-0.142488,-0.086735,0.028201,0.038306,0.035587,0.024966,0.062 357,0.010041,-0.011596,0.003303,-0.026058,-0.017104,-0.000522,0.017483,0.040726,0.018009,0.058896,-0.062445,0.005916,0.014098,0.026824
Esan_Nigeria:HG03100,-0.633995,0.061947,0.023381,0.010659,0.000615,0.011 156,-0.050292,0.04869,-0.051949,0.033896,0.010393,-0.009292,0.023934,0.006193,0.013708,-0.001591,0.00352,0.004561,0.00264,-0.003252,0.009234,0.000371,-0.002218,0.002169,-0.002155
MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1945,0.048944,0.069056,-0.15198,-0.000646,-0.128332,0.031236,0.014806,0.002538,-0.086105,-0.058498,-0.007795,0.002997,-0.001338,-0.000413,0.029858,0.054494,-0.015516,0.003927,0.016466,-0.027763,0.002121,-0.023618,-0.008258,-0.034342,0.020118
ROU_N:I2533,0.126344,0.187873,0.010936,-0.102068,0.060319,-0.055778,0.003055,-0.005769,0.044586,0.095492,0.001299,0.012589,-0.027948,-0.001376,-0.050488,-0.006762,0.034421,-0.000507,0.008547,-0.013381,-0.014974,0.007048,-0.003944,0.005904,-0.011137
Paniya:PY-6,0.012521,-0.169593,-0.188183,0.142444,-0.049548,0.057173,-0.008225,0.017538,0.096944,0.059409,0.008931,0.001 049,-0.002527,0.018579,-0.025651,-0.03739,0.005737,0.002154,0.001006,0.031015,0.0061 14,0.01422,-0.012078,0.00482,-0.008263
Biaka:HGDP00454,-0.641962,0.06804,0.028284,0.038114,0.001846,0.0086 46,0.167798,-0.135687,-0.017794,0.036083,0.016726,-0.160957,-0.05218,-0.00578,0.00475,-0.005038,0.004042,-0.036866,0.014832,-0.001251,0.004243,-0.000989,-0.003081,-0.000482,-0.004431
RUS_AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Sudanese:SUDANESE7,-0.571392,0.046714,-0.007165,-0.007429,-0.005232,-0.002789,-0.00799,0.018922,0.0904,-0.108977,-0.018512,0.020831,-0.047125,0.000688,0.013165,-0.023734,0.021644,-0.012035,0.026145,-0.023261,-0.000998,0.004822,-0.000986,-0.001687,0.003712
Qiang_Danba:DBA01,0.020488,-0.438709,0.006034,-0.05168,0.023081,0.006693,0.004935,0.001154,-0.009613,0.012028,-0.097595,-0.005095,0.009068,-0.010184,-0.012351,-0.001591,0.000782,-0.00152,-0.015838,0.004502,0.005116,0.033015,0.017008,-0.006868,0.037721
Yakut:455_A,0.044391,-0.378792,0.112759,-0.023579,-0.107097,-0.071954,0.029141,0.034845,0.026384,0.024602,0.034 914,0.015586,-0.025867,0.074454,0.045738,0.024927,0.001565,-0.01761,-0.042863,-0.033641,0.000624,0.039198,0.011092,-0.001325,-0.019759
Ket:584_R01C01,0.079676,-0.247789,0.126335,0.052326,-0.107097,-0.029562,0.00188,0.012461,0.002863,-0.028976,0.067878,0.00045,0.020515,-0.10886,-0.024837,-0.014187,0.005998,0.003927,0.014078,-0.002626,-0.028949,0.052676,0.069265,-0.029643,-0.020238
Yemenite_Mahra:Y312,0.061464,0.133034,-0.065996,-0.128555,-0.006155,-0.054663,-0.015981,-0.020307,0.065857,-0.005285,0.017213,-0.027875,0.072844,0.008945,0.015472,0.037258,-0.012126,0.003041,-0.005279,0.026888,0.012353,0.022876,-0.008997,0,-0.006945
Baltic_LVA_BA:Kivutkalns207,0.129758,0.12491,0.110 119,0.114666,0.048932,0.047133,0.016686,0.019384,-0.003477,-0.058316,-0.00341,-0.025777,0.036571,0.052709,-0.014658,-0.009546,-0.00678,-0.003294,-0.006913,0.003252,-0.005366,-0.006554,0.008504,-0.025184,0.001796
JPN_Nagabaka_historic:NAG038,0.014797,-0.343249,-0.050157,0.013566,0.038469,0.008925,-0.004935,-0.002077,0.022089,0.02442,-0.051315,-0.004496,0.00996,-0.016377,-0.021851,-0.013524,0.006258,0.014189,0.016215,-0.012506,0.064511,-0.052305,0.009737,0.006025,-0.112206
MYS_LN:Ma912,0,-0.395041,-0.084098,-0.034561,0.154183,0.068049,-0.007285,-0.010615,-0.005522,-0.018224,0.090938,0.017834,-0.015163,0.006331,0.006922,-0.001061,-0.001695,-0.006841,-0.003394,0.019259,-0.01697,0.012984,-0.009737,0.00723,0.048379
CHN_Western_Liao_River_BA_o:91KLM2,0.022765,-0.468159,0.093149,-0.044251,-0.088632,-0.05271,0.013866,0.025614,0.006749,0.020046,-0.039948,0.001499,-0.006244,0.021882,0.003122,-0.002917,0.001434,-0.003674,0.01081,0.034016,-0.029822,-0.029306,-0.050408,-0.005784,-0.003832
Mari:mari5,0.097888,-0.04773,0.092395,0.060078,-0.028005,0.001394,0.012456,0.019153,-0.006136,-0.041185,0.026307,-0.019483,0.041476,-0.044177,-0.037866,-0.016971,0.000913,-0.008361,-0.037081,-0.029889,0.01959,0.003957,-0.055831,0.010363,-0.003712

What about the sub-races of Caucasoids? How would you categorise it.

In order of distance from WHG (?)

https://i.imgur.com/D6rkaHe.png

Peterski

03-24-2022, 05:09 PM

^^^
I think MAR_Taforalt were a mixed population which emerged from two populations mixing with each other.

These are the Global25 samples, in order from most divergent to least divergent.

Divergent from what?

BTW, these are NOT the samples that I'm using in the 10 races calculator. Only some of them are included.

Defcon2

03-24-2022, 06:16 PM

Could you run me? I usually score some SSA and South Asian.

Defcon2_scaled,0.097888,0.138112,0.031678,0.000323 ,0.047086,0.001116,-0.003525,0.001615,0.02577,0.040456,-0.005196,0.007943,-0.017096,-0.016515,-0.002307,-0.015115,-0.012517,0.000253,-0.003771,-0.006628,0.000873,-0.005441,0.00037,0.005061,-0.003592

Peterski

03-24-2022, 07:20 PM

Could you run me? I usually score some SSA and South Asian.

Target: Defcon2
Distance: 5.2041% / 0.05204145
95.4 Caucasoid
2.4 Negroid
2.2 Veddoid
0.0 Amerind
0.0 Australoid
0.0 Bambutid
0.0 Capoid
0.0 Mongoloid
0.0 NEast_African
0.0 Negritoid

Ajeje Brazorf

03-24-2022, 07:38 PM

Divergent from what?

I don't know how to express myself, but it's as if in a way those samples represent "corners" in a PCA.

Peterski

03-24-2022, 07:48 PM

I don't know how to express myself, but it's as if in a way those samples represent "corners" in a PCA.

Okay I get it. But some of them are mixed, for example:

MYS_LN = mix of Mongoloid and Negritoid similar to La368
Paniya = has high AASI but not pure AASI for sure
Ket = looks like a mix of Mongoloid and ANE
MAR_Taforalt = plots like a mix of African and Caucasoid
ROU_N = Anatolian farmers with minor WHG

Etc., etc.

MercifulServant

03-24-2022, 08:05 PM

Run my results

Decius_scaled,0.127482,0.136081,0.040729,0.011951, 0.030775,0.004462,0.003055,0.003692,-0.003068,-0.001822,-0.006008,-0.003597,-0.000149,0.011836,-0.016694,-0.018032,-0.01356,0.002914,0.004525,-0.003627,-0.009358,-0.010387,0.005793,0.003615,-0.002634

Peterski

03-24-2022, 08:15 PM

Run my results

Target: Decius_scaled
Distance: 5.8410% / 0.05841020
100.0 Caucasoid
0.0 Amerind
0.0 Australoid
0.0 Bambutid
0.0 Capoid
0.0 Mongoloid
0.0 NEast_African
0.0 Negritoid
0.0 Negroid
0.0 Veddoid

Polak

03-24-2022, 08:30 PM

Can you run my results please

Polak_scaled,0.126344,0.126941,0.082589,0.060078,0 .053548,0.028726,0.019506,0.006692,-0.006749,-0.024055,-0.008931,-0.012589,0.01115,0.032754,-0.013029,-0.000398,-0.010561,-0.000887,0.00352,0.00025,-0.009483,-0.008532,-0.000246,0.004217,-0.003473

Peterski

03-24-2022, 08:32 PM

What about the sub-races of Caucasoids? How would you categorise it.

Here are the main sub-divisions (after removing extremely old Paleolithic samples which tend to plot in the middle of this Caucasoid cluster):

https://i.imgur.com/cpd43DG.png

Peterski

03-24-2022, 08:35 PM

Can you run my results please

Target: Polak_scaled
Distance: 8.3615% / 0.08361519
100.0 Caucasoid
0.0 Amerind
0.0 Australoid
0.0 Bambutid
0.0 Capoid
0.0 Mongoloid
0.0 NEast_African
0.0 Negritoid
0.0 Negroid
0.0 Veddoid

Peterski

03-24-2022, 08:51 PM

Here is how TA users plot within the Caucasoid cluster:

https://i.imgur.com/LhFDQKo.png

Defcon2's detailed breakdown:

Target: Defcon2
Distance: 5.2041% / 0.05204142
54.6 Caucasoid:TUR_Barcin_N
15.4 Caucasoid:RUS_Sidelkino_HG
12.2 Caucasoid:UKR_N
8.6 Caucasoid:TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
2.8 Caucasoid:GEO_CHG_KK1
2.4 Negroid:Gambian_HG02570
2.2 Veddoid:Simulated_AASI_1
1.8 Caucasoid:Iberia_Northwest_Meso_Canes

Peterski

03-25-2022, 02:15 AM

I added Taforalt (even though I think they were a mix of 2-3 populations, not a unique component) and Wallacean.

Wallacean was a unique race (it is a sample from a new 2021 study) but they left totally no descendants nowadays:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03823-6

I checked all modern populations in Vahaduo using this model, and no population scored even 0.1% of Wallacean:

https://i.imgur.com/SWrFkUg.png

Mont

03-25-2022, 02:43 AM

Peterski

03-25-2022, 03:25 AM

(...)

^ Most recent version of PCA using scaled coordinates:

https://i.imgur.com/SWrFkUg.png

Most recent version of PCA using unscaled coordinates:

https://i.imgur.com/6O4gy5b.png

Peterski

03-25-2022, 03:36 AM

^^^
And here is a map showing roughly what the distribution of those populations was:

https://i.imgur.com/0uZu4iD.png

Mont

03-25-2022, 04:10 AM

^ Most recent version of PCA using scaled coordinates:

https://i.imgur.com/SWrFkUg.png

Most recent version of PCA using unscaled coordinates:

https://i.imgur.com/6O4gy5b.png
Yeah, unscaled is way more cursed.

Peterski

03-25-2022, 10:09 AM

Link to fine-tuned version 2 of this calculator:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?361135-Try-my-new-G25-calculator

^^^
And I'm closing this thread, let's move there.