Half Hungarian Half French

[Flashball]

The boyfriend of my sister.


I had paid him for a DNA test to try to find cousins and try to find a lead on his Hungarian biological father (his adoptive father was a descendant of northern Italy, originally from Lombardy). And it worked, because I had found his half-brother with the same father.


https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/tnct25/half_hungarian_half_french_results/

[Luke35]

Flashball, no results are posted at the reddit link, just a title, unfortunately.

[Flashball]

Flashball, no results are posted at the reddit link, just a title, unfortunately.

Sorry, here the full post. Reddit is sheit.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648234637-xsjss.jpg

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Gedmatch:

WS2618080

1 North_Atlantic 37.88

2 Baltic 22.6

3 West_Med 16.97

4 East_Med 10.07

5 West_Asian 8.34

6 Oceanian 1.19

7 Red_Sea 1.1

8 Sub-Saharan 0.84

9 East_Asian 0.8

10 South_Asian 0.15

11 Siberian 0.05



Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance

1 West_German 5.57

2 South_Dutch 7.01

3 Austrian 7.33

4 French 7.56

5 East_German 9.76

6 Hungarian 10.43

7 Serbian 11.55

8 North_German 12.21

9 Southeast_English 12.69

10 Spanish_Cataluna 13.68

11 Romanian 14.06

12 Danish 14.15

13 Portuguese 14.15

14 North_Dutch 14.16

15 Southwest_English 14.25

16 Spanish_Galicia 14.29

17 Orcadian 14.45

18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.01

19 Irish 15.35

20 Croatian 15.4



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 54.2% Southwest_English + 45.8% Bulgarian @ 1.68

2 50.3% Romanian + 49.7% Southwest_English @ 2.03

3 71.6% South_Dutch + 28.4% Bulgarian @ 2.27

4 76.7% West_German + 23.3% Bulgarian @ 2.33

5 67.8% South_Dutch + 32.2% Romanian @ 2.43

6 73.5% West_German + 26.5% Romanian @ 2.44

7 57.3% Southeast_English + 42.7% Bulgarian @ 2.59

8 51.4% West_Scottish + 48.6% Bulgarian @ 2.72

9 69.8% West_German + 30.2% Serbian @ 2.74

10 52.7% Southeast_English + 47.3% Romanian @ 2.77

11 82.2% West_German + 17.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.82

12 63.6% South_Dutch + 36.4% Serbian @ 2.83

13 52.4% Irish + 47.6% Bulgarian @ 2.87

14 54% Orcadian + 46% Bulgarian @ 2.91

15 68.7% French + 31.3% Moldavian @ 3.03

16 61% Orcadian + 39% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.05

17 56.2% Swedish + 43.8% Tuscan @ 3.06

18 53.3% Romanian + 46.7% West_Scottish @ 3.06

19 55.6% Serbian + 44.4% Southwest_English @ 3.09

20 85.9% West_German + 14.1% Central_Greek @ 3.16



1 Atlantic 25.52

2 North_Sea 23.29

3 West_Med 12.13

4 Baltic 11.81

5 Eastern_Euro 9.79

6 East_Med 7.7

7 West_Asian 7.23

8 Oceanian 0.97

9 Sub-Saharan 0.8

10 Red_Sea 0.55

11 Southeast_Asian 0.21



Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance

1 South_Dutch 7.14

2 French 7.66

3 Austrian 7.95

4 East_German 9.13

5 Serbian 10.01

6 West_German 10.23

7 Hungarian 10.93

8 North_German 11.34

9 Spanish_Cataluna 11.62

10 Southwest_English 12.44

11 Spanish_Galicia 12.62

12 Portuguese 12.86

13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.93

14 Southeast_English 12.96

15 Romanian 12.99

16 Croatian 13.58

17 Spanish_Extremadura 13.84

18 Spanish_Murcia 13.88

19 Danish 14.14

20 North_Italian 14.23



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 69.9% South_Dutch + 30.1% Bulgarian @ 2.91

2 51.1% French + 48.9% Austrian @ 3.23

3 76.9% South_Dutch + 23.1% Greek @ 3.26

4 66.5% South_Dutch + 33.5% Romanian @ 3.33

5 54.5% Southeast_English + 45.5% Bulgarian @ 3.35

6 55.6% Southwest_English + 44.4% Bulgarian @ 3.36

7 60.4% South_Dutch + 39.6% Serbian @ 3.7

8 51.5% Irish + 48.5% Bulgarian @ 3.86

9 50.2% West_Scottish + 49.8% Bulgarian @ 3.89

10 61.2% Austrian + 38.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.89

11 51.2% Southwest_English + 48.8% Romanian @ 3.9

12 60% Irish + 40% Greek @ 3.93

13 50.1% Southeast_English + 49.9% Romanian @ 3.95

14 63% Southeast_English + 37% Greek @ 3.97

15 66.4% North_German + 33.6% Greek @ 4.03

16 58.8% West_Scottish + 41.2% Greek @ 4.08

17 64.1% Southwest_English + 35.9% Greek @ 4.13

18 56.3% North_German + 43.7% North_Italian @ 4.15

19 64.4% Austrian + 35.6% Portuguese @ 4.24

20 81.4% South_Dutch + 18.6% Central_Greek @ 4.25



Amerindian -

Arabian -

Armenian 2.7 Pct

Basque 3.3 Pct

Central_African -

Central_Euro 4.65 Pct

East_African -

East_Asian -

East_Balkan 3.52 Pct

East_Central_Asian -

East_Central_Euro 5.86 Pct

East_Med -

Eastern_Euro 7.24 Pct

Fennoscandian 4.12 Pct

French 7.05 Pct

Iberian 15.31 Pct

Indo-Chinese -

Italian 14.14 Pct

Malayan -

Near_Eastern 5.14 Pct

North_African -

North_Atlantic 11.03 Pct

North_Caucasian 0.06 Pct

North_Sea 11.91 Pct

Northeast_African -

Oceanian 0.19 Pct

Omotic -

Pygmy -

Siberian -

South_Asian -

South_Central_Asian -

South_Chinese -

Volga-Ural 0.97 Pct

West_African 0.14 Pct

West_Caucasian 2.15 Pct

West_Med 0.53 Pct



Global 25 :

Target: HungarianFrench

Distance: 0.0311% / 0.03111439

43.3 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

40.5 TUR_Barcin_N

11.5 WHG

4.3 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

0.4 Han



Distance to: HungarianFrench

0.02357417 French_Alsace:A_27

0.02446103 Hungarian:NA15201

0.02538467 French_Provence:provance4409

0.02628064 Slovenian:Slovenian136

0.02665862 Italian_Northeast:ALP435

0.02687460 Austrian:Austria14

0.02719741 French_Alsace:A_8

0.02739271 French_Alsace:A_74_2

0.02752855 French_Nord:N_35

0.02784028 French_Nord:N_9_2

0.02798582 Afrikaner:AFR057

0.02860920 French_Nord:N_19

0.02865755 French_Seine-Maritime:French23915

0.02867432 French_Alsace:A_24_2

0.02873837 French_Alsace:A_58_2

0.02874066 French_Alsace:A_76

0.02887440 French_Nord:N_33

0.02889439 German:German60

0.02892493 German:German5

0.02896460 French_Alsace:A_10

0.02897367 French_Alsace:A_5

0.02900850 French_Nord:N_45

0.02903696 French_Alsace:A_69

0.02910869 German:German3

0.02917675 French_Alsace:A_56



With more samples

Distance to: HungarianFrench

0.02357417 French_Alsace:A_27

0.02446103 Hungarian:NA15201

0.02513966 67_Bas-Rhin:EXPL0071

0.02538467 French_Provence:provance4409

0.02628064 Slovenian:Slovenian136

0.02665862 Italian_Northeast:ALP435

0.02687460 Austrian:Austria14

0.02719741 French_Alsace:A_8

0.02730971 76_Seine-Maritime:EXPL0143

0.02739271 French_Alsace:A_74_2

0.02752855 French_Nord:N_35

0.02784028 French_Nord:N_9_2

0.02798582 Afrikaner:AFR057

0.02812679 25_Doubs:EXPL0057

0.02860920 French_Nord:N_19

0.02865755 French_Seine-Maritime:French23915

0.02867432 French_Alsace:A_24_2

0.02873837 French_Alsace:A_58_2

0.02874066 French_Alsace:A_76

0.02886281 Picardo-Flamand

0.02887440 French_Nord:N_33

0.02889439 German:German60

0.02892493 German:German5

0.02896460 French_Alsace:A_10

0.02897367 French_Alsace:A_5

0.02897473 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada:GRC14372363

0.02900850 French_Nord:N_45

0.02903696 French_Alsace:A_69

0.02910869 German:German3

0.02917675 French_Alsace:A_56

0.02930968 French_Nord:N_79

0.02935715 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Timau:GRC14386317

0.02960702 German:German72

0.02979851 French_Nord:N_42

0.02987331 French_Nord:N_36

0.02990538 French_Occitanie:T_70

0.02993929 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada:GRC14372366

0.02994714 Austrian:Austria8

0.02999678 French_Occitanie:T_111

0.03002441 French_Occitanie:T_11

0.03005904 French_Alsace:A_41_2

0.03012806 Afrikaner:AFR049

0.03016117 62_Pas-de-Calais:EXPL0136

0.03028549 French_Alsace:A_31

0.03032262 English:HG01790

0.03034381 Croatian:Croatia_Cro305

0.03044379 Hungarian:HungarianE5

0.03048631 Moldovan:44618757801C02

0.03049263 Serbian:729

0.03049521 Croatian:Croatia_Cro140

0.03070809 German:German54

0.03073121 Afrikaner:AFR046

0.03082806 Hungarian:NA15206

0.03090148 87%French-12%Ukrainian

0.03098658 Afrikaner:AFR014

0.03117613 French_Alsace:A_57

0.03118528 French_Alsace:A_49

0.03123371 German:German43

0.03135390 French_Alsace:A_60

0.03139815 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600035

0.03140762 Austrian:Austria11

0.03147246 17_Charente-Maritime:EXPL0012

0.03157087 76_Seine-Maritime:EXPL0144

0.03161829 Austrian:Austria16

0.03165794 French_Alsace:A_79

0.03173379 50_Manche:EXPL0048

0.03177250 Swiss_German:Swiss_German5

0.03180978 39_Jura:EXPL0004

0.03182059 70_Haute-Saône:EXPL0116

0.03182367 Belgian:Belgium19

0.03186626 French_Paris:47

0.03196741 Italian_Veneto_Cimbrian_Lessinia:GRC14372333

0.03206945 French_Alsace:A_45

0.03209367 Serbian:728

0.03211497 NordFrance(xerxezmère)

0.03212887 Croatian:Croatia_Cro142

0.03215149 Montenegrin:Montenegro4

0.03222644 62_Pas-de-Calais:EXPL0014

0.03232420 Austrian:Austria1

0.03238754 62_Pas-de-Calais:EXPL0176

0.03240476 76_Seine-Maritime:EXPL0020

0.03241599 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada:GRC14372321

0.03247120 MostlyFrench

0.03247120 Gnôle_scaled

0.03247157 Moldovan:44618757471C01

0.03259720 French_Alsace:A_47

0.03263825 French_Occitanie:T_67

0.03264119 Afrikaner:AFR019

0.03269108 Afrikaner:AFR053

0.03269321 Afrikaner:AFR018

0.03272346 French_Nord:N_37

0.03273015 69_Rhône:EXPL0036

0.03285357 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Timau:GRC14386292

0.03285524 GnôleMère_scaled

0.03285610 Moldovan:44618758061C02

0.03290869 Moldovan:44618758062C02

0.03297458 French_Nord:N_34

0.03310471 French_Nord:N_44

0.03313364 Austrian:Austria17

0.03315645 67_Bas-Rhin:EXPL0157

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648234761-hungarofrenchpca.jpg

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Family picture (don't quote):
His father, young (in the middle):
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648235286-67720266-876563609410597-6447410918262308864-n.jpg

More old:
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648235291-68625071-430786320851397-696856627004833792-n.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648235292-67781814-514163979326734-3097429168611131392-n.jpg

His paternal grandfather (the father of his hungarian father)
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648235303-68878746-2284991991615892-8209525533252255744-n.jpg


Boyfriend of my sister (the son, so), at the age of 10 and 15 years old:
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648236455-jeuneee.png
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648235296-67710383-2395315597392305-7416852287567429632-n.png

Now (36/37 years old)
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648236043-xassv.png

[Gergő Marosvári]

Where does your Hungarian side come from?

[Flashball]

Where does your Hungarian side come from?

Not my results, this is the results of my brother in law.

Last name of his biological father : Csajagi, born in 1940, Budapest

Paternal grandfather: Miklos Csajagi, born in Budapest

Paternal grandmother: Julianna Vasas (Vasas is the last name), born in Budapest.

This is the children of his half brother (same Hungarian father with another French mother), she is 25% Hungarian and the rest is French:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Csajagi

https://www.babelio.com/users/AVT_Laura-Csajagi_6883.jpg
http://www.intergalactiques.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Laura-Csajagi.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuEFJqXwAQjH14?format=jpg&name=large

Laura is therefore the daughter of his half brother (Laurent, above)
Then there is the son (she had with a Frenchman) of Laura below (Néo Roux)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuEeZcXoAcpqa5?format=jpg&name=medium


Results of Laura Casajagi of Myheritage (25% Hungarian and 75% French):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuFC07XIAw008A?format=jpg&name=medium


Results of his father (so, the half brother of my brother in law)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuFPZ8WQAQd8pL?format=jpg&name=medium

[Flashball]

The children of my brother in law (50% Hungarian and 50% French) and my sister (75% French and 25% Sardinian)

She is 12.5% Sardinian, 25% Hungarian and 62.5% French (Northern and Central-Eastern/Southern-Eastern France)

She looks like my sister when she was young.
She seems to have darker eyes than my sister's (who are hazel) and her father's (hazel/light brown), both have a recessive allele and a dominant allele.

However, she is more "chesnut" than my sister (dark brown/black hair in the case of my sister), like her father
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuJYY9XsAEgehe?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuJrFGX0AcBBr8?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuKtGhXMAUwwfB?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOuKyP8XsAklLJ1?format=jpg&name=small


Pigmentation of my brother in law and my sister according 23andme
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648175871-hungarofrench.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/12/5/1648175214-sistraitsresults.jpg

[Flashball]

Global 25 coordinate:
HungarianFrench,0.121791,0.133034,0.0445,0.025517, 0.036007,0.009761,0.0047,0.006923,0.000818,0.00564 9,-0.006983,-0.00015,-0.002527,0.001376,0.007329,-0.002254,-0.002608,0.0019,0.004022,-0.001501,0.000374,0.00371,-0.003451,-0.002169,-0.002275

[Luke35]

Wow, no detail left out, I love it.

He ends up with similar GEDmatch values to me. I'll check out his G25 too, now that you posted it.

Thank you for sharing.

[Flashball]

Wow, no detail left out, I love it.

He ends up with similar GEDmatch values to me. I'll check out his G25 too, now that you posted it.

Thank you for sharing.

Thanks.

You are close to him on the global 25 PCA?

[Luke35]

Thanks.

You are close to him on the global 25 PCA?

Reasonably close. I used Belgian here in this model because my mother scores it first in single populations, but it my not be ideal for your brother-in-law.

Target: HungarianFrench
Distance: 0.0187% / 0.01872465
53.2 Belgian
46.8 Hungarian

Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 0.0152% / 0.01523549
54.9 Hungarian
45.1 Belgian

https://i.imgur.com/IowIz1Z.png

[Flashball]

Reasonably close. I used Belgian here in this model because my mother scores it first in single populations, but it my not be ideal for your brother-in-law.

Target: HungarianFrench
Distance: 0.0187% / 0.01872465
53.2 Belgian
46.8 Hungarian

Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 0.0152% / 0.01523549
54.9 Hungarian
45.1 Belgian

https://i.imgur.com/IowIz1Z.png

Thanks. Interesting!

What's your paternal haplogroup? He's I2

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Eurogenes K13

https://i.imgur.com/Sb2C29z.png

[Luke35]

Thanks. Interesting!

What's your paternal haplogroup? He's I2

I'm N, which is less than 1% in Hungary.

[Luke35]

Looking at his regional breakdown, I will take a guess at what is inherited from each side, I think that for the most part it is obvious. I left out anything less than 1%, and also the unassigned.

Hungarian
Eastern European - 32.2%
Greek and Balkan -9.3%
French and German - 5.8%
Broadly Southern European - 1.6%
Broadly European - 1.1%

French
French and German - 42.9%
Italian - 1.9%
Spanish and Portuguese- 1.6%
Broadly Southern European - 2.0%
Broadly European 1.1%


https://i.imgur.com/tAZ5eEI.png

[Flashball]

Looking at his regional breakdown, I will take a guess at what is inherited from each side, I think that for the most part it is obvious. I left out anything less than 1%, and also the unassigned.

Hungarian
Eastern European - 32.2%
Greek and Balkan -9.3%
French and German - 5.8%
Broadly Southern European - 1.6%
Broadly European - 1.1%

French
French and German - 42.9%
Italian - 1.9%
Spanish and Portuguese- 1.6%
Broadly Southern European - 2.0%
Broadly European 1.1%


https://i.imgur.com/tAZ5eEI.png

Yes in general it is necessary to decipher because there are always approximations.

[Flashball]

Looking at his regional breakdown, I will take a guess at what is inherited from each side, I think that for the most part it is obvious. I left out anything less than 1%, and also the unassigned.

Hungarian
Eastern European - 32.2%
Greek and Balkan -9.3%
French and German - 5.8%
Broadly Southern European - 1.6%
Broadly European - 1.1%

French
French and German - 42.9%
Italian - 1.9%
Spanish and Portuguese- 1.6%
Broadly Southern European - 2.0%
Broadly European 1.1%


https://i.imgur.com/tAZ5eEI.png

Yes in general it is necessary to decipher because there are always approximations.