Does anyone have Catalan autosomal results?

[Gebachs]

From commercial tests such as 23andme to "amateur" ones like the Dodecad calculators.
Of course by Catalan I mean only confirmed fully ethnic catalans, not everyone living in Catalonia.
Thanks in advance.

[Nausevar]

I'm sure you can find lots of them just with a search. On vahaduo you have regional averages so you can compare your result with the catalan average

[Gebachs]

Thing is I can't find barely anything googling it, that's why I'm asking here.

[Gallop]

I have been publishing for years and they are only publishing Catalans 50%, complete Catalans so to speak, they are not publishing what leads me to think that their results should not differ from the rest because if their results were really different from the rest of Spaniards taking into account the percentage of independence that exists in Catalonia we would see their publications in the soup and it is the opposite, they do not publish.

[Gebachs]

they are only publishing Catalans 50%
Who are they? I've already seen many Catalan averages from professional studies but now I'm asking about individual results of random people.
Btw you should know that linking genetics to modern made-up borders of (multiethnic) states is stupid. Classic newbie misconception.
PD: lol at the paranoia.

[Gallop]

Who are they? I've already seen many Catalan averages from professional studies but now I'm asking about individual results of random people.
Btw you should know that linking genetics to modern made-up borders of (multiethnic) states is stupid. Classic newbie misconception.
PD: lol at the paranoia.

Currently very few people 1 or 2 are 50% Catalan 50% from another region of Spain and born in Catalonia. Catalans 100% I remember that a Catalan couple appeared for MTA but when they saw that the rest of Spaniards obtained the same results as them they stopped intervening.

Exactly, I am talking about results of published individuals. They are only publishing Catalans of only one Catalan parent, Catalans of both parents, all grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents are not publishing.

In a certain way, the Catalan independence movement is paranoid for that reason of obtaining results significantly different from the rest of Spaniards, right here a couple of hundred users would be posting precisely to demonstrate that genetically they are different.

I have also seen people from the north, they get the same results as the rest of Spaniards, but they always have an aunt who is the most Celtic in the world and yet they never show their aunt's results.

And also some Latin Americans or people with somewhat strange results who pass themselves off as Andalusians and in some cases as someone from the north of Spain, the curious thing is that other Europeans did not notice or were not interested in noticing, I don't really know, but it was something too scandalous not to notice. You also find pro-Maghreb Spaniards presenting photoshop results of some Maghrebi with a tall Iberian.

[Gebachs]

In a certain way, the Catalan independence movement is paranoid for that reason of obtaining results significantly different from the rest of Spaniards, right here a couple of hundred users would be posting precisely to demonstrate that genetically they are different.

You're the one being paranoid here because the Catalan independence movement is way older than the "discovery" of genes. And what you say is senseless because everyone can use Google and check that Spain has among the greatest regional variability in Europe. Even excluding Basques, the Spanish internal diversity is greater than that between the British Isles, Germany and the Benelux all together.
There is also differences among Castilian speaking regions, not to mention between Catalans, Galicians and Basques. The mere idea that a multiethnic state spanning 500k km² is genetically homogeneous is ridiculous. Same goes for all other modern European states created during the revolutions of mid XIX century.

[gixajo]

You're the one being paranoid here because the Catalan independence movement is way older than the "discovery" of genes. And what you say is senseless because everyone can use Google and check that Spain has among the greatest regional variability in Europe. Even excluding Basques, the Spanish internal diversity is greater than that between the British Isles, Germany and the Benelux all together.
There is also differences among Castilian speaking regions, not to mention between Catalans, Galicians and Basques. The mere idea that a multiethnic state spanning 500k km² is genetically homogeneous is ridiculous. Same goes for all other modern European states created during the revolutions of mid XIX century.

Despair, all the Iberians are Basque+something else.:D

[Leto]

And what you say is senseless because everyone can use Google and check that Spain has among the greatest regional variability in Europe. Even excluding Basques, the Spanish internal diversity is greater than that between the British Isles, Germany and the Benelux all together.

Greater than that of Germany? No way. In Germany you can find people plotting in France, Denmark, Poland, Czechia and everywhere in between.

[Ibericus]

Here some catalans:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.49
2 West_Med 23.03
3 Baltic 11.65
4 East_Med 11.45
5 West_Asian 5.51
6 Red_Sea 2.94
7 East_Asian 1.07
8 Northeast_African 0.62
9 Sub-Saharan 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 4.38
2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.29
3 Spanish_Murcia 6.15
4 Portuguese 6.23
5 French 6.41
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.42
7 Spanish_Galicia 6.55
8 Spanish_Valencia 6.92
9 Spanish_Extremadura 6.93
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.94
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.84
12 Spanish_Andalucia 8.01
13 Southwest_French 8.47
14 South_Dutch 12.2
15 West_German 12.7
16 North_Italian 12.73
17 Southeast_English 15.83
18 Southwest_English 15.9
19 French_Basque 17.29
20 Orcadian 18.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71% Spanish_Andalucia + 29% West_Scottish @ 2.66
2 77% Spanish_Murcia + 23% Irish @ 2.68
3 71.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 28.9% Irish @ 2.71
4 77% Spanish_Murcia + 23% West_Scottish @ 2.73
5 74% Spanish_Murcia + 26% Southwest_English @ 2.74
6 67.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 32.4% Southwest_English @ 2.86
7 72.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 27.9% North_Dutch @ 2.89
8 67.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 32.4% Southeast_English @ 2.99
9 70.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 29.3% Orcadian @ 2.99
10 56.1% French + 43.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.99
11 74.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 25.4% West_Scottish @ 2.99
12 50.1% French + 49.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.99
13 71.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 28.6% Southwest_English @ 3
14 77% Spanish_Murcia + 23% Orcadian @ 3.02
15 78.3% Spanish_Murcia + 21.7% North_Dutch @ 3.02
16 72.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 27.5% Danish @ 3.04
17 74.5% Spanish_Murcia + 25.5% Southeast_English @ 3.08
18 74.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 25.3% Norwegian @ 3.08
19 74.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 25.1% Irish @ 3.1
20 67.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 32.2% South_Dutch @ 3.13


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.1
2 West_Med 26.12
3 Baltic 9.67
4 East_Med 9.25
5 West_Asian 5.67
6 Red_Sea 1.59
7 Siberian 0.86
8 Sub-Saharan 0.63
9 South_Asian 0.52
10 Amerindian 0.45
11 Northeast_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 5.73
2 Spanish_Cantabria 5.74
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.88
4 Spanish_Aragon 5.93
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.66
6 Southwest_French 6.94
7 Spanish_Murcia 7.24
8 Spanish_Valencia 7.29
9 Spanish_Andalucia 7.63
10 Spanish_Extremadura 7.95
11 Spanish_Galicia 8
12 Portuguese 8.19
13 French 9.59
14 French_Basque 13.5
15 South_Dutch 14.66
16 North_Italian 14.87
17 West_German 15.46
18 Southwest_English 17.02
19 Southeast_English 17.47
20 Orcadian 19.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.5% Spanish_Aragon + 19.5% Irish @ 3.52
2 80.6% Spanish_Aragon + 19.4% West_Scottish @ 3.6
3 78.2% Spanish_Aragon + 21.8% Southwest_English @ 3.69
4 80.7% Spanish_Aragon + 19.3% Orcadian @ 3.74
5 82.5% Spanish_Aragon + 17.5% North_German @ 3.79
6 82.2% Spanish_Aragon + 17.8% North_Dutch @ 3.79
7 82.5% Spanish_Aragon + 17.5% Danish @ 3.82
8 81.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.6% West_Scottish @ 3.84
9 75.8% Spanish_Aragon + 24.2% South_Dutch @ 3.84
10 83.9% Spanish_Aragon + 16.1% Norwegian @ 3.87
11 78.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 21.1% Southwest_English @ 3.88
12 79.2% Spanish_Aragon + 20.8% Southeast_English @ 3.89
13 71.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 28.4% Southwest_English @ 3.89
14 81.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.3% Irish @ 3.9
15 74.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 25.2% West_Scottish @ 3.9
16 77.1% Spanish_Aragon + 22.9% West_German @ 3.93
17 76% Spanish_Cataluna + 24% French_Basque @ 4.03
18 75.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 24.8% Irish @ 4.04
19 85.3% Spanish_Aragon + 14.7% Swedish @ 4.06
20 81.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.1% Orcadian @ 4.1



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.46
2 West_Med 23.42
3 East_Med 14.18
4 Baltic 12.94
5 West_Asian 3.59
6 South_Asian 1.51
7 Red_Sea 0.62
8 Sub-Saharan 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.41
10 East_Asian 0.28
11 Amerindian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 2.96
2 Spanish_Valencia 5.1
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.12
4 Portuguese 5.43
5 Spanish_Murcia 5.5
6 Spanish_Galicia 6.28
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.49
8 Spanish_Extremadura 6.75
9 French 6.78
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.96
11 Spanish_Andalucia 7.5
12 Spanish_Aragon 7.96
13 Southwest_French 8.34
14 North_Italian 11.29
15 South_Dutch 12.61
16 West_German 12.83
17 Southeast_English 16.36
18 Southwest_English 17
19 Tuscan 17.2
20 French_Basque 18.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.3% Spanish_Valencia + 18.7% Danish @ 2.08
2 73.1% Spanish_Valencia + 26.9% West_German @ 2.09
3 81.1% Spanish_Valencia + 18.9% North_German @ 2.1
4 72.9% Spanish_Valencia + 27.1% South_Dutch @ 2.16
5 81.5% Spanish_Valencia + 18.5% North_Dutch @ 2.25
6 86.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 13.2% West_German @ 2.26
7 58.3% Spanish_Valencia + 41.7% French @ 2.26
8 78% Spanish_Valencia + 22% Southeast_English @ 2.27
9 91.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.6% Danish @ 2.28
10 91.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.5% North_German @ 2.31
11 89.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 10.2% Southeast_English @ 2.32
12 87.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.8% South_Dutch @ 2.34
13 77.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 22.2% French @ 2.34
14 83.3% Spanish_Valencia + 16.7% Norwegian @ 2.36
15 91.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.1% North_Dutch @ 2.37
16 92.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 7.1% Norwegian @ 2.4
17 91.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.3% Orcadian @ 2.42
18 80.8% Spanish_Valencia + 19.2% Orcadian @ 2.43
19 92% Spanish_Cataluna + 8% West_Scottish @ 2.43
20 92.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 7.8% Irish @ 2.45



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.73
2 West_Med 27.24
3 Baltic 11.83
4 East_Med 9.03
5 West_Asian 3.99
6 Red_Sea 2.14
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Oceanian 0.35
9 Siberian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cantabria 4.01
2 Southwest_French 4.69
3 Spanish_Cataluna 4.99
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.26
5 Spanish_Aragon 5.31
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.73
7 Spanish_Valencia 6.69
8 Spanish_Galicia 7
9 Spanish_Murcia 7.11
10 Portuguese 7.54
11 Spanish_Andalucia 7.6
12 Spanish_Extremadura 7.69
13 French 9.01
14 French_Basque 13.13
15 South_Dutch 14.14
16 North_Italian 14.78
17 West_German 15.04
18 Southwest_English 16.57
19 Southeast_English 16.98
20 Orcadian 19.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.1% Spanish_Aragon + 19.9% Irish @ 2.13
2 77.3% Spanish_Aragon + 22.7% Southwest_English @ 2.2
3 81.2% Spanish_Aragon + 18.8% North_Dutch @ 2.25
4 82.8% Spanish_Aragon + 17.2% Norwegian @ 2.27
5 81.5% Spanish_Aragon + 18.5% North_German @ 2.28
6 79.9% Spanish_Aragon + 20.1% Orcadian @ 2.31
7 80.3% Spanish_Aragon + 19.7% West_Scottish @ 2.32
8 83.8% Spanish_Aragon + 16.2% Swedish @ 2.32
9 81.7% Spanish_Aragon + 18.3% Danish @ 2.38
10 74.6% Spanish_Aragon + 25.4% South_Dutch @ 2.42
11 78.1% Spanish_Aragon + 21.9% Southeast_English @ 2.47
12 83.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 16.1% Southwest_English @ 2.48
13 86.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.9% West_Scottish @ 2.5
14 78% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 22% Southwest_English @ 2.52
15 86.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.6% Irish @ 2.55
16 76.3% Spanish_Aragon + 23.7% West_German @ 2.67
17 81.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.9% West_Scottish @ 2.68
18 86.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.5% Orcadian @ 2.71
19 81.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.7% Irish @ 2.72
20 85.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 14.9% Southeast_English @ 2.74
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[Ibericus]

Here some catalans:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.49
2 West_Med 23.03
3 Baltic 11.65
4 East_Med 11.45
5 West_Asian 5.51
6 Red_Sea 2.94
7 East_Asian 1.07
8 Northeast_African 0.62
9 Sub-Saharan 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 4.38
2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.29
3 Spanish_Murcia 6.15
4 Portuguese 6.23
5 French 6.41
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.42
7 Spanish_Galicia 6.55
8 Spanish_Valencia 6.92
9 Spanish_Extremadura 6.93
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.94
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.84
12 Spanish_Andalucia 8.01
13 Southwest_French 8.47
14 South_Dutch 12.2
15 West_German 12.7
16 North_Italian 12.73
17 Southeast_English 15.83
18 Southwest_English 15.9
19 French_Basque 17.29
20 Orcadian 18.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71% Spanish_Andalucia + 29% West_Scottish @ 2.66
2 77% Spanish_Murcia + 23% Irish @ 2.68
3 71.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 28.9% Irish @ 2.71
4 77% Spanish_Murcia + 23% West_Scottish @ 2.73
5 74% Spanish_Murcia + 26% Southwest_English @ 2.74
6 67.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 32.4% Southwest_English @ 2.86
7 72.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 27.9% North_Dutch @ 2.89
8 67.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 32.4% Southeast_English @ 2.99
9 70.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 29.3% Orcadian @ 2.99
10 56.1% French + 43.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.99
11 74.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 25.4% West_Scottish @ 2.99
12 50.1% French + 49.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.99
13 71.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 28.6% Southwest_English @ 3
14 77% Spanish_Murcia + 23% Orcadian @ 3.02
15 78.3% Spanish_Murcia + 21.7% North_Dutch @ 3.02
16 72.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 27.5% Danish @ 3.04
17 74.5% Spanish_Murcia + 25.5% Southeast_English @ 3.08
18 74.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 25.3% Norwegian @ 3.08
19 74.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 25.1% Irish @ 3.1
20 67.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 32.2% South_Dutch @ 3.13


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.1
2 West_Med 26.12
3 Baltic 9.67
4 East_Med 9.25
5 West_Asian 5.67
6 Red_Sea 1.59
7 Siberian 0.86
8 Sub-Saharan 0.63
9 South_Asian 0.52
10 Amerindian 0.45
11 Northeast_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 5.73
2 Spanish_Cantabria 5.74
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.88
4 Spanish_Aragon 5.93
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.66
6 Southwest_French 6.94
7 Spanish_Murcia 7.24
8 Spanish_Valencia 7.29
9 Spanish_Andalucia 7.63
10 Spanish_Extremadura 7.95
11 Spanish_Galicia 8
12 Portuguese 8.19
13 French 9.59
14 French_Basque 13.5
15 South_Dutch 14.66
16 North_Italian 14.87
17 West_German 15.46
18 Southwest_English 17.02
19 Southeast_English 17.47
20 Orcadian 19.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.5% Spanish_Aragon + 19.5% Irish @ 3.52
2 80.6% Spanish_Aragon + 19.4% West_Scottish @ 3.6
3 78.2% Spanish_Aragon + 21.8% Southwest_English @ 3.69
4 80.7% Spanish_Aragon + 19.3% Orcadian @ 3.74
5 82.5% Spanish_Aragon + 17.5% North_German @ 3.79
6 82.2% Spanish_Aragon + 17.8% North_Dutch @ 3.79
7 82.5% Spanish_Aragon + 17.5% Danish @ 3.82
8 81.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.6% West_Scottish @ 3.84
9 75.8% Spanish_Aragon + 24.2% South_Dutch @ 3.84
10 83.9% Spanish_Aragon + 16.1% Norwegian @ 3.87
11 78.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 21.1% Southwest_English @ 3.88
12 79.2% Spanish_Aragon + 20.8% Southeast_English @ 3.89
13 71.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 28.4% Southwest_English @ 3.89
14 81.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.3% Irish @ 3.9
15 74.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 25.2% West_Scottish @ 3.9
16 77.1% Spanish_Aragon + 22.9% West_German @ 3.93
17 76% Spanish_Cataluna + 24% French_Basque @ 4.03
18 75.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 24.8% Irish @ 4.04
19 85.3% Spanish_Aragon + 14.7% Swedish @ 4.06
20 81.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.1% Orcadian @ 4.1



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.46
2 West_Med 23.42
3 East_Med 14.18
4 Baltic 12.94
5 West_Asian 3.59
6 South_Asian 1.51
7 Red_Sea 0.62
8 Sub-Saharan 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.41
10 East_Asian 0.28
11 Amerindian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 2.96
2 Spanish_Valencia 5.1
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.12
4 Portuguese 5.43
5 Spanish_Murcia 5.5
6 Spanish_Galicia 6.28
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.49
8 Spanish_Extremadura 6.75
9 French 6.78
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.96
11 Spanish_Andalucia 7.5
12 Spanish_Aragon 7.96
13 Southwest_French 8.34
14 North_Italian 11.29
15 South_Dutch 12.61
16 West_German 12.83
17 Southeast_English 16.36
18 Southwest_English 17
19 Tuscan 17.2
20 French_Basque 18.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.3% Spanish_Valencia + 18.7% Danish @ 2.08
2 73.1% Spanish_Valencia + 26.9% West_German @ 2.09
3 81.1% Spanish_Valencia + 18.9% North_German @ 2.1
4 72.9% Spanish_Valencia + 27.1% South_Dutch @ 2.16
5 81.5% Spanish_Valencia + 18.5% North_Dutch @ 2.25
6 86.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 13.2% West_German @ 2.26
7 58.3% Spanish_Valencia + 41.7% French @ 2.26
8 78% Spanish_Valencia + 22% Southeast_English @ 2.27
9 91.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.6% Danish @ 2.28
10 91.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.5% North_German @ 2.31
11 89.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 10.2% Southeast_English @ 2.32
12 87.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 12.8% South_Dutch @ 2.34
13 77.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 22.2% French @ 2.34
14 83.3% Spanish_Valencia + 16.7% Norwegian @ 2.36
15 91.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.1% North_Dutch @ 2.37
16 92.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 7.1% Norwegian @ 2.4
17 91.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.3% Orcadian @ 2.42
18 80.8% Spanish_Valencia + 19.2% Orcadian @ 2.43
19 92% Spanish_Cataluna + 8% West_Scottish @ 2.43
20 92.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 7.8% Irish @ 2.45



# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.73
2 West_Med 27.24
3 Baltic 11.83
4 East_Med 9.03
5 West_Asian 3.99
6 Red_Sea 2.14
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Oceanian 0.35
9 Siberian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cantabria 4.01
2 Southwest_French 4.69
3 Spanish_Cataluna 4.99
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.26
5 Spanish_Aragon 5.31
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.73
7 Spanish_Valencia 6.69
8 Spanish_Galicia 7
9 Spanish_Murcia 7.11
10 Portuguese 7.54
11 Spanish_Andalucia 7.6
12 Spanish_Extremadura 7.69
13 French 9.01
14 French_Basque 13.13
15 South_Dutch 14.14
16 North_Italian 14.78
17 West_German 15.04
18 Southwest_English 16.57
19 Southeast_English 16.98
20 Orcadian 19.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.1% Spanish_Aragon + 19.9% Irish @ 2.13
2 77.3% Spanish_Aragon + 22.7% Southwest_English @ 2.2
3 81.2% Spanish_Aragon + 18.8% North_Dutch @ 2.25
4 82.8% Spanish_Aragon + 17.2% Norwegian @ 2.27
5 81.5% Spanish_Aragon + 18.5% North_German @ 2.28
6 79.9% Spanish_Aragon + 20.1% Orcadian @ 2.31
7 80.3% Spanish_Aragon + 19.7% West_Scottish @ 2.32
8 83.8% Spanish_Aragon + 16.2% Swedish @ 2.32
9 81.7% Spanish_Aragon + 18.3% Danish @ 2.38
10 74.6% Spanish_Aragon + 25.4% South_Dutch @ 2.42
11 78.1% Spanish_Aragon + 21.9% Southeast_English @ 2.47
12 83.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 16.1% Southwest_English @ 2.48
13 86.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.9% West_Scottish @ 2.5
14 78% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 22% Southwest_English @ 2.52
15 86.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.6% Irish @ 2.55
16 76.3% Spanish_Aragon + 23.7% West_German @ 2.67
17 81.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.9% West_Scottish @ 2.68
18 86.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.5% Orcadian @ 2.71
19 81.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 18.7% Irish @ 2.72
20 85.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 14.9% Southeast_English @ 2.74
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[Gebachs]

Greater than that of Germany? No way. In Germany you can find people plotting in France, Denmark, Poland, Czechia and everywhere in between.

Ofc, southern European countries got greater internal variability due to its geography and close contact to Asia and Africa, while the north European plain is pretty homogeneous.113295

[Gebachs]

Thanks Ibericus :thumb001:

[gixajo]

Thanks Ibericus :thumb001:

Are you in Anthrogenica?

[gixajo]

Yo tengo en el PC viejo los números de kit de Gedmatch de individuos usados en algún estudio, posiblemente los mismos con los que se hicieron muchas de las referencias de Vahaduo, y que se usan en PCAs del K15 etc.

Como me ha parecido entender que los tienes tú también, no sé si serás el que me los pasó o si eres otro de AG u otro que me contactó por correo a través del proyecto de Gedmatch y al que le pasé los números de kit (la mayoría catalanes, valencianos y de las Baleares).

Fui mirando uno a uno, y muchos de ellos se eliminaron de Gedmatch, o al menos, se ha limitado el acceso a sus resultados.

Pero hay bastante variación entre todas esas zonas del este peninsular, con esas referencias prácticamente se puede modelar con muy buenas distancias a cualquier español o portugués.

Creo que esos mismos individuos son los que se usaron para las referencias del G25, ahí sí que es más obvio que son muy dispares (porcentajes de esas referencias nos salen a mis padres o a mí, que no tenemos ningún antepasado conocido en esas zonas) incluso admitiendo cierta tendencia "mediterránea" y al norte cierta influencia más "centroeuropea".

[Gallop]

You're the one being paranoid here because the Catalan independence movement is way older than the "discovery" of genes. And what you say is senseless because everyone can use Google and check that Spain has among the greatest regional variability in Europe. Even excluding Basques, the Spanish internal diversity is greater than that between the British Isles, Germany and the Benelux all together.
There is also differences among Castilian speaking regions, not to mention between Catalans, Galicians and Basques. The mere idea that a multiethnic state spanning 500k km² is genetically homogeneous is ridiculous. Same goes for all other modern European states created during the revolutions of mid XIX century.


My experience is that pure Catalans are not publishing, the reason I have already explained and I think it is possible that you were looking for flattering your ears with the genetic differences of the Catalans, sorry that section is reserved for the Basques.

;)

[gixajo]

My experience is that pure Catalans are not publishing, the reason I have already explained and I think it is possible that you were looking for flattering your ears with the genetic differences of the Catalans, sorry that section is reserved for the Basques.

;)

I cannot open vahaduo modern populations site...can you?

We maybe could considerate the Pirineu reference as "pure Catalonian" that is the reference with less NA among the references from Catalonia in G25 datasheet.

The North Aragón reference from the study "Basques and peri-Basques" could be a good one also, but as any Spanish reference with few "external" influences use to be Basque-type.

Similar thing that happens (by now) with BA and IA Iberian references.

[Leto]

I cannot open vahaduo modern populations site...can you?
It seems to be being deleted. For fuck's sake... :eek::confused:

[Scandal]

It seems to be being deleted. For fuck's sake... :eek::confused:
When was the website changed? Fuck, I should've saved the data.

[Luke35]

When was the website changed? Fuck, I should've saved the data.

And Lukasz's Vahaduo thread is closed. It all disappeared in a puff of smoke..

I never bothered to save the updated spreadsheets, so hopefully somebody has them.

[gixajo]

And Lukasz's Vahaduo thread is closed. It all disappeared in a puff of smoke..

I never bothered to save the updated spreadsheets, so hopefully somebody has them.

I think I have some saved somewhere. :rolleyes:

[gixajo]

I would not be surprised if the next time all the spreadsheets appear, in order to use them we have to pay.

Although it could be that they are just implementing changes on the page, it is a server change or something similar.

[J. Ketch]

When was the website changed? Fuck, I should've saved the data.
The updated K13 sheets are still here:
https://pastebin.com/7cn4xK0C
https://pastebin.com/1H0TwEFm

[Leto]

The updated K13 sheets are still here:
https://pastebin.com/7cn4xK0C
https://pastebin.com/1H0TwEFm
I have the Dodecad K12b too in case anyone needs it.

Do you know the reason why Vahaduo has been dismantled? That's a big loss.

[J. Ketch]

I have the Dodecad K12b too in case anyone needs it.

Do you know the reason why Vahaduo has been dismantled? That's a big loss.
No, I guess the creator of the original Vahaduo might have threatened legal action or something.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

http://web.archive.org/web/20220308225755/https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

[Leto]

No, I guess the creator of the original Vahaduo might have threatened legal action or something.
Okay but why close that thread? It's just an Apricity thread in which people posted and discussed Gedmatch results. Makes no sense to me.

[gixajo]

Spanish_Barcelones,0.1192866,0.1490798,0.045707,0. 0046512,0.0459162,0.0033466,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0 208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0.1190875,0.1444591,0.04 21904,0.0020995,0.0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
Spanish_Cataluna,0.114582,0.1462363,0.0458833,0.00 23687,0.0471883,0,-0.0020367,0.0023843,0.0223613,0.0304943,-0.0018947,0.0085923,-0.016006,-0.0106427,0.0088673,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.0009587,0.0061973,-0.005729,-0.0039027,-0.001928,0.0009577
Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0.12432,0.1492828,0.0441 231,0.0021174,0.0466753,0.0016423,-0.0001828,0.0009744,0.0211114,0.0289753,-0.0028871,0.0064274,-0.0149652,-0.0124012,0.0075702,0.0049794,0.0003188,0.0013231,-0.00081,-0.0014034,0.0029393,0.0016624,-0.0006709,-0.0026239,-0.0007184
Spanish_Girona,0.1213354,0.1459315,0.0418982,0.003 2946,0.0411769,0.0016175,-0.0004464,0.003369,0.019982,0.0308893,-0.0020622,0.0088722,-0.0134539,-0.013487,0.0075732,0.0030497,0.0020472,-0.0006207,0.0016719,-0.0027263,0.0028325,-0.0010017,-0.0003451,0.0001325,-0.0016524
Spanish_Lleida,0.1221701,0.1468006,0.0429918,0.002 0457,0.0442476,-0.0015186,0.0006528,0.0021024,0.0225886,0.0298058,-0.0009203,0.0089422,-0.0164021,-0.0136553,0.0083998,0.0002358,-0.0014197,0.0006476,0.001257,-0.0009032,0.0073899,0.0003297,-0.001698,-0.0007898,-0.0006387
Spanish_Penedes,0.1217908,0.1458668,0.0408662,0.00 47275,0.0420497,0.0018506,-0.0024142,0.0007972,0.0184257,0.0282299,-0.0013579,0.0053951,-0.0161365,-0.0138497,0.010068,0.0014223,0.0019202,0.0019233,0 .0001026,-0.0011255,0.0017243,-0.0006406,-0.0027675,-0.0016761,0.0004244
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.1212217,0.149689,0.0413324,0.0015181,0 .0445928,0.0002511,0.0005405,0.0013385,0.0214545,0 .0300325,-0.0017376,0.0069987,-0.0137213,-0.0123585,0.0073289,0.0012596,7.82e-05,-0.0002533,-0.0007416,-0.0013632,0.0027077,0.0008285,-0.0014667,-0.0004217,0.0022872
Spanish_Pirineu,0.1219803,0.1465747,0.0426775,0.00 2584,0.0449827,-0.0008367,-0.0008617,0.0043845,0.025395,0.034321,-0.0023003,0.0096163,-0.0147918,-0.0124548,0.0070348,0.000442,-0.0014342,0.00038,-0.0044413,-0.0016048,0.0037017,-0.0006183,-0.0028348,-0.0064467,0.0018163
Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0.1220184,0.1468458,0.041 4078,-0.0017442,0.0428388,-0.0044064,-0.000141,0.004523,0.0187752,0.0329484,-0.0032802,0.0078232,-0.0166202,-0.0111198,0.009636,-0.0033942,-0.0052938,-0.000684,0.000402,0.0003252,0.002895,0.0007418,-0.0035742,-0.0053984,-0.0012934


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6511% / 0.01651088
52.6 Spanish_Pirineu
31.4 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
11.4 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
4.6 Spanish_Barcelones

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5194% / 0.02519402
54.6 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
25.6 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
8.2 Spanish_Pirineu
6.2 Spanish_Cataluna
5.4 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2340% / 0.02233998
76.2 Spanish_Barcelones
23.8 Spanish_Pirineu

Distances

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01727214 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01859632 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01950849 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01976409 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02011638 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02040101 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02066881 Spanish_Lleida
0.02103738 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02141164 Spanish_Penedes
0.02222523 Spanish_Girona

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.02581031 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02654563 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02689513 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02721733 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02832325 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02939673 Spanish_Girona
0.02990785 Spanish_Lleida
0.02992726 Spanish_Penedes
0.03021017 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03024449 Spanish_Catalunya_Central

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02260379 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02490694 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02656490 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02726266 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02729980 Spanish_Lleida
0.02740300 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02865085 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02880920 Spanish_Penedes
0.02918564 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03031888 Spanish_Girona

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.4034% / 0.02403404
47.8 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
37.4 Spanish_Cataluna
14.8 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.7505% / 0.02750520
90.8 Spanish_Cataluna
9.2 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona

Distance to: Father_scaled
0.02753862 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03059652 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03069965 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03230194 Spanish_Girona
0.03238677 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03265184 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03295160 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03307296 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03339158 Spanish_Penedes
0.03362560 Spanish_Lleida

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02522834 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02585001 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02603826 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02619990 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02712183 Spanish_Lleida
0.02852608 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02901544 Spanish_Penedes
0.02905788 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02921315 Spanish_Girona
0.02979956 Spanish_Catalunya_Central

[Gebachs]

Are you in Anthrogenica?

No.


Yo tengo en el PC viejo los números de kit de Gedmatch de individuos usados en algún estudio, posiblemente los mismos con los que se hicieron muchas de las referencias de Vahaduo, y que se usan en PCAs del K15 etc.

Como me ha parecido entender que los tienes tú también, no sé si serás el que me los pasó o si eres otro de AG u otro que me contactó por correo a través del proyecto de Gedmatch y al que le pasé los números de kit (la mayoría catalanes, valencianos y de las Baleares).

Fui mirando uno a uno, y muchos de ellos se eliminaron de Gedmatch, o al menos, se ha limitado el acceso a sus resultados.

Pero hay bastante variación entre todas esas zonas del este peninsular, con esas referencias prácticamente se puede modelar con muy buenas distancias a cualquier español o portugués.

Creo que esos mismos individuos son los que se usaron para las referencias del G25, ahí sí que es más obvio que son muy dispares (porcentajes de esas referencias nos salen a mis padres o a mí, que no tenemos ningún antepasado conocido en esas zonas) incluso admitiendo cierta tendencia "mediterránea" y al norte cierta influencia más "centroeuropea".

No era yo porque no tengo cuenta en AG ni tampoco soy el que te contactó por correo. Ya veo que han estado eliminando esos datos o a lo mejor son los propios usuarios los que las han sacado, quien sabe. Por eso cuesta tanto encontrarlas.

[Gebachs]

My experience is that pure Catalans are not publishing, the reason I have already explained and I think it is possible that you were looking for flattering your ears with the genetic differences of the Catalans, sorry that section is reserved for the Basques.

;)

I already know the whole human population forms a genetic cline, more or less extensive depending on the geographic characteristics of the terrain and ethnic boundaries, so it's stupid to think that Catalans are kind of isle which is radically different from its neighbouring peoples. If that was the reason to create borders, there would be none.

But even according to your theory, since I'm closer genetically to the people of Andorra and Toulouse than to the people of Sevilla, I guess I should share a country with them instead of with you.




Spanish_Barcelones,0.1192866,0.1490798,0.045707,0. 0046512,0.0459162,0.0033466,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0 208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0.1190875,0.1444591,0.04 21904,0.0020995,0.0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
Spanish_Cataluna,0.114582,0.1462363,0.0458833,0.00 23687,0.0471883,0,-0.0020367,0.0023843,0.0223613,0.0304943,-0.0018947,0.0085923,-0.016006,-0.0106427,0.0088673,0.001591,-0.000652,-0.001647,-0.001131,-0.0009587,0.0061973,-0.005729,-0.0039027,-0.001928,0.0009577
Spanish_Catalunya_Central,0.12432,0.1492828,0.0441 231,0.0021174,0.0466753,0.0016423,-0.0001828,0.0009744,0.0211114,0.0289753,-0.0028871,0.0064274,-0.0149652,-0.0124012,0.0075702,0.0049794,0.0003188,0.0013231,-0.00081,-0.0014034,0.0029393,0.0016624,-0.0006709,-0.0026239,-0.0007184
Spanish_Girona,0.1213354,0.1459315,0.0418982,0.003 2946,0.0411769,0.0016175,-0.0004464,0.003369,0.019982,0.0308893,-0.0020622,0.0088722,-0.0134539,-0.013487,0.0075732,0.0030497,0.0020472,-0.0006207,0.0016719,-0.0027263,0.0028325,-0.0010017,-0.0003451,0.0001325,-0.0016524
Spanish_Lleida,0.1221701,0.1468006,0.0429918,0.002 0457,0.0442476,-0.0015186,0.0006528,0.0021024,0.0225886,0.0298058,-0.0009203,0.0089422,-0.0164021,-0.0136553,0.0083998,0.0002358,-0.0014197,0.0006476,0.001257,-0.0009032,0.0073899,0.0003297,-0.001698,-0.0007898,-0.0006387
Spanish_Penedes,0.1217908,0.1458668,0.0408662,0.00 47275,0.0420497,0.0018506,-0.0024142,0.0007972,0.0184257,0.0282299,-0.0013579,0.0053951,-0.0161365,-0.0138497,0.010068,0.0014223,0.0019202,0.0019233,0 .0001026,-0.0011255,0.0017243,-0.0006406,-0.0027675,-0.0016761,0.0004244
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.1212217,0.149689,0.0413324,0.0015181,0 .0445928,0.0002511,0.0005405,0.0013385,0.0214545,0 .0300325,-0.0017376,0.0069987,-0.0137213,-0.0123585,0.0073289,0.0012596,7.82e-05,-0.0002533,-0.0007416,-0.0013632,0.0027077,0.0008285,-0.0014667,-0.0004217,0.0022872
Spanish_Pirineu,0.1219803,0.1465747,0.0426775,0.00 2584,0.0449827,-0.0008367,-0.0008617,0.0043845,0.025395,0.034321,-0.0023003,0.0096163,-0.0147918,-0.0124548,0.0070348,0.000442,-0.0014342,0.00038,-0.0044413,-0.0016048,0.0037017,-0.0006183,-0.0028348,-0.0064467,0.0018163
Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0.1220184,0.1468458,0.041 4078,-0.0017442,0.0428388,-0.0044064,-0.000141,0.004523,0.0187752,0.0329484,-0.0032802,0.0078232,-0.0166202,-0.0111198,0.009636,-0.0033942,-0.0052938,-0.000684,0.000402,0.0003252,0.002895,0.0007418,-0.0035742,-0.0053984,-0.0012934



From which study are those regional Catalan samples?

[gixajo]

I already know the whole human population forms a genetic cline, more or less extensive depending on the geographic characteristics of the terrain and ethnic boundaries, so it's stupid to think that Catalans are kind of isle which is radically different from its neighbouring peoples. If that was the reason to create borders, there would be none.

But even according to your theory, since I'm closer genetically to the people of Andorra and Toulouse than to the people of Sevilla, I guess I should share a country with them instead of with you.




From which study are those regional Catalan samples?

Those are not samples, but averages, I don´t know which paper exactly they came from. Maybe those individuals where tested for HGDP and someone grouped them by origins (agrupados por comarcas o como las llaméis, lo que podría indicar que el que lo hizo tiene relación con Cataluña, o que el estudio original fue financiado por la administración catalana).

In vahaduo they are also individual samples coordinates, if you have your G25 coordinates you can check them.

Surely you have many Andalusians closer than many individuals from Provence or Occitanie, even some Portugueses with just Portuguese known ancestry could plot among Catalonian samples, or be closer to regions that have nothing to do with their known ancestry.

[Gallop]

But even according to your theory, since I'm closer genetically to the people of Andorra and Toulouse than to the people of Sevilla, I guess I should share a country with them instead of with you.
From which study are those regional Catalan samples?

Si usted lo dice pues habrá que creerle jeje

Usted obtiene el Reino de Septimania en sus resultados? ... Rinda pelitesía a su Señor!

Volviendo al tema:

Sevilla donde la lluvia es pura maravilla,, ahora que lo dice nunca he visto unas coordenadas de Sevilla, como me gustaría sacar 0.000 con Sevilla.

Publish your results, here it is very common for users to publish their results.

[Juan Lacas]

You're the one being paranoid here because the Catalan independence movement is way older than the "discovery" of genes. And what you say is senseless because everyone can use Google and check that Spain has among the greatest regional variability in Europe. Even excluding Basques, the Spanish internal diversity is greater than that between the British Isles, Germany and the Benelux all together.

That isn't true, in fact Spain and Portugal are probably the most ethnically homogeneous countries in all Western Europe. Of course more than British.

[Defcon2]

But even according to your theory, since I'm closer genetically to the people of Andorra and Toulouse than to the people of Sevilla, I guess I should share a country with them instead of with you.


In the middle.

https://i.imgur.com/N6tAYya.png

[de Burgh II]

Interesting update on new K13 reference samples:

https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

Distance to: de_Burgh_II
2.97585282 Cornish
3.07850613 English_West-Country
3.39343484 French_Brittany
3.99493429 English_West-Midlands
4.02543165 English_Southeast
4.16001202 Welsh_South
4.24004717 Scottish_North-Highlands
4.29192265 English_East
4.30518292 English_East-Midlands
4.43209883 Scottish_East
4.44059681 Welsh_North
4.49292778 English_Lancashire
4.50194402 British_Ulster
4.52849865 Irish_Leinster
4.59678148 English_Yorkshire
4.88473131 English_Northeast
4.89241249 Dutch_North-Brabant
4.90598614 Scottish_Northeast
4.94657457 Scottish_Southwest
5.72546941 Scottish_Orkney
5.76062497 Flemish
5.79277136 Irish_Munster
5.86240565 Irish_Ulster
6.03197314 Irish_Connacht
6.14320763 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 48.3499% / 0.48349892
64.4 Irish_Munster
21.6 French_Brittany
5.6 Basque_France
3.8 French_Aquitaine
2.0 Greek_Nisyros
1.4 Greek_Cappadocia
0.6 Spanish_Extremadura
0.4 Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha
0.2 Italian_Molise

[J. Ketch]

Did anyone save a recent version of K15 updated? It wasn't archived.

[Luke35]

Did anyone save a recent version of K15 updated? It wasn't archived.

This is from last May, not sure if it changed after that:



Abhkasian,3.11,3.01,3.08,2.89,4.25,57.83,18.64,2.3 6,2.62,0.73,0.81,0.27,0.24,0.11,0.06
Adygei,5.33,5.84,6.82,7.85,2.64,48.75,13.72,2.27,3 .01,0.86,2.01,0.64,0.09,0.11,0.05
Afghan_Hazara,5.42,3.05,2.36,8.32,0.19,18.67,6.07, 0.73,14.86,17.41,20.23,2.08,0.24,0.08,0.30
Afghan_Pashtun,7.21,2.94,2.58,12.28,0.00,32.65,8.3 0,0.49,27.30,1.04,3.12,1.19,0.31,0.05,0.53
Afghan_Tadjik,6.69,0.81,2.21,10.13,1.16,27.53,11.0 7,0.65,20.18,6.95,10.32,1.35,0.12,0.28,0.54
Afghan_Turkmen,5.96,3.18,4.34,12.09,1.54,18.62,8.3 0,0.19,8.87,10.33,23.88,1.28,0.61,0.21,0.60
Afghan_Uzbeki,5.64,1.41,3.12,10.13,0.44,26.13,11.8 1,1.45,20.86,7.11,10.35,0.75,0.35,0.21,0.25
Afrikaner,31.53,25.40,10.99,8.04,10.21,3.75,3.36,0 .69,2.03,0.71,0.22,0.33,0.42,0.50,1.75
Albanian-Kosovo,14.93,15.66,11.94,6.23,18.27,10.32,19.43,2. 54,0.09,0.30,0.04,0.04,0.21,0.00,0.00
Albanian-Macedonia,11.79,17.19,12.38,6.66,16.85,10.32,20.82 ,3.28,0.04,0.38,0.11,0.03,0.17,0.00,0.00
Albanian-North,14.45,14.29,11.27,5.18,18.11,11.91,21.57,2.6 8,0.00,0.03,0.05,0.15,0.24,0.07,0.00
Albanian-South,13.63,14.55,9.85,5.47,17.69,11.03,23.38,3.51 ,0.00,0.25,0.09,0.34,0.16,0.00,0.04
Algerian,4.18,8.75,0.98,0.51,21.32,0.93,25.13,15.4 7,0.20,0.24,0.04,0.12,0.18,11.84,10.12
Algerian_Jewish,5.28,12.72,2.56,1.35,18.76,10.72,3 4.79,8.15,0.53,0.36,0.21,0.00,0.37,2.39,1.81
Altaian,2.97,1.94,2.03,10.94,0.52,4.57,0.56,0.34,3 .20,21.66,47.49,3.09,0.46,0.05,0.18
Anzick-1,0.02,0.01,0.03,2.60,0.54,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.04,1.2 7,4.03,90.98,0.47,0.00,0.00
Armenian_West,2.77,2.49,1.74,3.3,9.67,35.84,35.69, 5.68,2.26,0.07,0.11,0.19,0.17,0,0.02
Armenian_East,3.4,4.09,1.87,2.77,7.23,38.5,32.99,5 .85,2.92,0,0.1,0.08,0.12,0.03,0.05
Azerbaijani,3.47,3.54,2,6.28,4.04,33.46,28.85,4.88 ,7.37,1.71,2.96,0.62,0.13,0.55,0.14
Azeri_Dagestan,6.51,3.91,4.23,10.29,1.36,40.84,21. 57,1.4,6.51,0.56,1.57,0.95,0.03,0.07,0.2
Azerbaijani_Iran,3.61,2.35,2.26,6.40,4.39,32.91,28 .60,4.52,8.17,2.27,2.95,0.69,0.16,0.32,0.34
Ashkenazi,9.89,10.70,6.74,5.17,14.82,13.05,26.61,8 .07,1.20,0.60,0.58,0.32,0.24,1.63,0.39
Assyrian,2.07,2.56,1.17,2.33,8.03,30.86,40.41,8.76 ,3.07,0.08,0.03,0.07,0.16,0.36,0.03
Austrian,20.59,23.17,18.31,13.24,8.86,6.16,7.21,1. 25,0.73,0.03,0.12,0.04,0.13,0.11,0.04
Austria-Burgenland,27.63,20.42,15.58,12.08,9.89,5.91,5.45, 0.69,0.63,0.01,0.05,0.86,0.34,0.27,0.19
Austria-Tyrol,25.37,22.36,10.49,8.78,13.81,8.06,8.11,1.89, 0.10,0.17,0.28,0.28,0.16,0.10,0.06
Austroasiatic_Ho,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.02,0.00,0.0 0,0.01,68.94,25.12,0.61,0.19,4.26,0.36,0.45
Balkar,5.21,5.55,6.31,7.52,4.29,46.93,10.93,1.38,2 .66,2.69,4.98,0.86,0.39,0.14,0.16
Balochi,2.99,1.37,1.23,10.31,0.18,34.33,14.62,1.86 ,31.78,0.00,0.09,0.36,0.02,0.23,0.63
Bangladeshi,1.79,1.86,1.37,6.22,0.70,11.94,1.13,0. 50,60.79,8.83,2.20,0.72,1.56,0.10,0.30
Bantu_N.E.,0.06,0.06,0.07,0.08,0.08,0.09,0.15,0.34 ,0.14,0.22,0.13,0.17,0.12,23.89,74.40
Bantu_S.E.,0.02,0.02,0.01,0.03,0.01,0.03,0.02,0.03 ,0.06,0.07,0.06,0.03,0.09,13.60,85.92
Bantu_S.W.,0.03,0.04,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.04,0.04,0.06 ,0.06,0.06,0.06,0.04,0.14,11.83,87.51
Bedouin,1.51,2.90,1.66,1.20,7.74,13.01,38.46,21.03 ,1.61,0.20,0.41,0.28,0.23,6.95,2.82
Belgian,32.55,25.96,10.23,8.01,11.61,4.03,4.54,1.0 8,0.78,0.05,0.03,0.32,0.23,0.42,0.09
Belorussian,19.33,17.63,32.02,21.25,3.39,2.48,1.80 ,0.89,0.48,0.08,0.21,0.10,0.17,0.10,0.06
Biaka_Pygmy,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.08,18.63,81.25
Bosnian,17.7286666667,14.9073333333,20.5093333333, 13.186,11.1213333333,8.0553333333,10.7913333333,1. 4586666667,1.4533333333,0.2746666667,0.078,0.16933 33333,0.2046666667,0.022,0.0406666667
Bosniak,16.68,16.19,21.25,13.20,11.12,8.39,10.75,1 .07,0.59,0.29,0.09,0.19,0.08,0.08,0.05
Brahmin_UP,4.96,4.47,2.91,8.83,0.38,15.62,0.90,0.1 8,58.12,0.56,0.54,1.54,0.61,0.17,0.21
Brahui,2.47,0.65,0.77,9.27,0.06,34.45,15.33,1.97,3 2.42,0.04,0.26,0.42,0.15,0.60,1.13
Bulgarian,14.40,14.28,16.61,9.81,13.50,10.73,17.01 ,2.37,0.23,0.09,0.19,0.39,0.32,0.06,0.01
Bulgarian_Thracian,7.44,15.78,16.37,6.07,14.41,11. 92,22.38,2.27,2.17,0.67,0.28,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Burusho,2.29,0.70,1.31,14.77,0.04,27.77,1.04,0.09, 39.24,4.45,5.40,2.04,0.27,0.19,0.40
Buryat,0.66,0.85,0.98,2.99,0.91,3.22,1.14,0.87,1.2 5,27.19,57.88,1.54,0.31,0.15,0.06
Cambodian,0.23,0.29,0.53,0.28,0.36,0.29,0.29,0.29, 14.32,77.57,1.08,0.43,3.17,0.48,0.39
Central_Greek,10.06,13.12,7.23,3.39,17.29,15.74,26 .95,5.24,0.16,0.21,0.04,0.12,0.43,0.02,0.00
Chamar,0.82,1.40,1.50,1.90,0.89,5.39,0.74,0.75,80. 17,1.82,1.53,1.17,1.35,0.37,0.20
Chechen,9.62,5.63,6.53,10.7,0.39,47.61,9.97,1.08,4 .17,0.73,1.26,1.15,0.81,0.22,0.13
Chenchu,0.88,1.05,1.05,0.63,1.55,7.33,1.23,0.60,74 .08,6.26,1.93,0.85,1.78,0.42,0.35
Chukchi,0.08,0.04,0.07,4.43,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.00,1. 07,9.50,59.87,24.26,0.62,0.00,0.02
Chuvash,13.39,5.79,13.51,36.15,0.88,3.35,0.88,0.53 ,1.97,2.49,17.74,2.43,0.44,0.19,0.26
Cornish,33.56,30.67,9.85,9.02,10.15,3.69,1.31,0.33 ,0.34,0.02,0.03,0.53,0.37,0.04,0.02
Croatian,18.41,17.52,22.74,15.17,10.17,6.69,6.25,1 .29,0.72,0.02,0.02,0.44,0.24,0.16,0.16
Croat_Bosnia,23.3725,13.59,19.285,13.4,11.875,6.17 ,8.49,1.4025,1.87,0,0.31,0.17,0.03,0,0.035
Kaykavian_Croatian,21.74,20.11,20.79,14.68,8.12,6. 47,5.05,0.84,0.67,0.30,0.00,0.87,0.29,0.09,0.00
Cypriot,1.62,5.28,3.93,0.33,17.7,20.13,45.02,5.01, 0.06,0.08,0.09,0.01,0.29,0.31,0.14
Czech,23.49,20.03,22.22,13.99,9.20,4.59,3.88,1.05, 0.53,0.08,0.09,0.37,0.20,0.11,0.14
Dai,0.17,0.17,0.29,0.29,0.12,0.20,0.15,0.07,2.70,9 1.41,2.02,0.57,1.47,0.17,0.20
Danish,39.23,25.55,13.14,10.31,5.77,2.83,0.81,0.31 ,0.76,0.18,0.01,0.59,0.17,0.18,0.14
Dharkar,2.00,2.29,2.57,3.97,1.03,11.97,1.37,0.26,6 8.92,1.61,1.55,0.87,0.78,0.57,0.24
Dolgan,2.07,0.84,3.13,3.92,0.56,0.57,0.22,0.21,1.6 5,9.47,74.92,1.43,0.40,0.38,0.22
Dusadh,1.44,0.68,0.87,2.13,1.25,9.12,2.16,1.06,74. 95,2.78,0.60,0.59,1.54,0.31,0.52
Dutch,37.03,25.96,10.81,9.20,8.54,3.18,1.93,0.81,0 .69,0.25,0.28,0.45,0.31,0.22,0.27
Dutch_Central,37.04,26.51,11.05,9.20,7.78,3.09,1.8 2,0.95,0.67,0.30,0.25,0.49,0.35,0.20,0.24
Dutch_North,40.33,24.45,10.84,9.65,7.80,2.60,1.12, 0.41,0.68,0.21,0.36,0.45,0.37,0.24,0.42
Dutch_South,33.45,25.88,10.31,8.57,11.28,3.70,3.23 ,1.13,0.71,0.24,0.33,0.39,0.21,0.27,0.23
East_Finnish,25.20,15.64,21.87,23.75,2.22,0.76,0.1 9,0.20,1.02,0.66,7.08,0.73,0.56,0.03,0.08
East_German,26.64,21.71,18.07,13.28,10.36,5.16,2.8 0,1.02,0.57,0.02,0.05,0.15,0.02,0.09,0.04
East_Greenlander,0.18,0.02,0.12,4.19,0.00,0.04,0.0 1,0.02,1.46,8.57,43.23,41.76,0.33,0.02,0.05
East_Sicilian,9.75,13.27,6.39,2.26,17.36,14.43,26. 95,6.76,0.52,0.03,0.00,0.06,0.25,1.60,0.36
Egyptian,0.90,3.78,0.69,0.28,9.89,7.14,39.22,18.38 ,0.24,0.13,0.20,0.06,0.16,12.85,6.09
English,36.08,28.15,10.13,8.74,9.50,3.75,1.38,0.49 ,0.70,0.05,0.09,0.32,0.24,0.16,0.11
English_Midlands,36.16,27.81,10.01,8.85,9.63,3.78, 1.42,0.47,0.67,0.05,0.07,0.26,0.24,0.20,0.14
English_North,36.52,28.45,10.31,8.90,9.06,3.62,0.9 8,0.43,0.66,0.03,0.10,0.34,0.25,0.16,0.11
English_Southeast,35.58,27.60,10.38,8.44,9.73,3.98 ,1.91,0.55,0.70,0.08,0.10,0.37,0.25,0.15,0.10
English_Southwest,36.07,28.45,9.75,8.77,10.30,3.23 ,1.25,0.49,0.77,0.04,0.07,0.30,0.26,0.11,0.08
Erzya,16.81,10.25,27.66,29.07,2.72,3.63,1.14,0.34, 1.23,0.51,5.13,1.22,0.03,0.13,0.13
Estonian,26.23,16.33,30.12,20.68,1.83,0.56,0.01,0. 00,0.53,0.02,2.13,1.09,0.46,0.00,0.00
Estonian_Polish,18.34,17.71,31.21,22.50,4.43,2.06, 0.85,1.02,0.75,0.10,0.36,0.35,0.16,0.13,0.03
Ethiopian_Amhara,0.08,0.51,0.09,0.04,1.27,0.34,18. 47,24.18,0.08,0.11,0.03,0.11,0.16,50.19,4.33
Ethiopian_Anuak,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.01,0.02,0.01,0.00,0.02,53.49,46.45
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator,0.44,0.32,0.32,0.40,0.37, 1.19,0.72,5.18,1.30,0.33,0.40,0.23,0.40,78.17,10.2 3
Ethiopian_Gumuz,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.10,0.14,0.09,0.04,0.18,67.39,32.05
Ethiopian_Oromo,0.08,0.32,0.15,0.04,1.21,0.34,12.5 6,18.22,0.10,0.58,0.02,0.07,0.12,58.21,7.98
Ethiopian_Tigray,0.09,0.49,0.15,0.04,2.25,0.24,20. 45,24.26,0.03,0.01,0.02,0.01,0.21,48.97,2.79
Ethiopian_Wolayta,0.40,0.65,0.13,0.11,0.88,0.44,9. 49,16.73,0.27,0.39,0.25,0.18,0.16,62.80,7.12
Evenki,0.43,0.65,1.79,1.46,0.29,0.45,0.29,0.27,0.7 5,12.14,78.75,1.46,1.00,0.13,0.14
Evens,0.66,0.45,0.65,1.00,0.66,0.53,0.41,0.32,0.72 ,10.43,80.67,2.50,0.65,0.23,0.12
Finnish,29.36,17.42,21.95,18.78,2.49,1.06,0.36,0.1 4,0.57,0.90,5.30,0.91,0.52,0.14,0.10
French_Central,27.38,27.39,8.88,6.00,16.19,3.96,6. 85,1.54,0.33,0.16,0.21,0.29,0.25,0.37,0.19
French_Alsace,28.49,24.36,12.31,7.12,12.76,5.91,6. 23,1.50,0.20,0.31,0.14,0.20,0.14,0.13,0.19
French_Brittany,33.63,28.77,9.43,8.78,10.92,3.51,2 .23,0.79,0.81,0.15,0.14,0.39,0.18,0.15,0.12
French_North-East,30.06,25.90,9.94,7.14,13.16,4.86,5.19,1.51,0. 65,0.21,0.22,0.33,0.20,0.26,0.38
French_South,23.44,30.07,6.86,5.00,20.86,2.32,7.92 ,1.58,0.42,0.08,0.14,0.41,0.38,0.36,0.15
French_Provence,21.75,23.86,7.06,4.44,18.01,6.15,1 4.55,2.44,0.32,0.13,0.18,0.25,0.24,0.47,0.16
French_Southwest,20.30,39.32,4.81,2.49,24.29,0.77, 4.44,1.91,0.45,0.30,0.23,0.20,0.21,0.17,0.13
French_Basque,16.85,45.40,4.79,2.82,25.04,0.83,2.7 4,0.73,0.13,0.28,0.04,0.03,0.10,0.17,0.04
France_Corsica,13.78,21.54,5.02,1.26,24.13,8.14,22 .27,3.14,0.01,0.27,0.07,0.04,0.26,0.06,0.01
German_Bavarian,28.38,26.11,11.62,8.33,11.51,6.15, 6.01,0.76,0.10,0.21,0.10,0.23,0.30,0.13,0.05
Georgian,4.68,3.90,3.69,3.27,4.64,53.84,19.63,3.24 ,2.12,0.16,0.23,0.34,0.08,0.13,0.05
Georgian_Jew,2.49,2.62,1.11,2.93,6.89,32,38.44,8.3 ,4.32,0.2,0.05,0.17,0.11,0.32,0.05
Georgian_Laz,1.62,4.63,1.86,1.49,8.34,46.69,29.92, 3.4,1.44,0.21,0.03,0.1,0.08,0.06,0.13
Greek,8.81,15.49,11.70,6.91,17.16,12.72,23.47,2.73 ,0.41,0.05,0.01,0.03,0.36,0.11,0.02
Greek_Thessaly,14.00,11.56,11.50,5.16,17.47,12.02, 22.23,4.01,1.20,0.03,0.08,0.42,0.22,0.08,0.01
Greek_Trabzon,2.8,3.56,2.23,2.09,10.93,38.24,34.72 ,4.05,0.87,0.08,0.19,0.04,0.17,0,0.03
GR_Macedonia,10.845,12.2383333333,13.4233333333,6. 9733333333,15.06,14.4533333333,22.6516666667,3.188 3333333,0.1866666667,0.1683333333,0.2716666667,0,0 .3683333333,0.175,0
GR_Peloponese,10.215,14.68875,10.57125,5.87625,15. 37375,13.35875,23.97125,3.76375,1.17875,0.2175,0.1 6625,0.10875,0.35125,0.15625,0
Greek_Crete,8.69,10.84,7.57,3.47,16.52,16.62,30.27 ,4.78,0.01,0.10,0.18,0.14,0.51,0.24,0.06
Gujarati,4.70,1.61,2.04,8.13,0.23,18.18,1.61,0.28, 60.87,0.43,0.90,0.31,0.37,0.12,0.22
Hadza,0.09,0.06,0.09,0.10,0.02,0.10,0.04,0.09,1.18 ,0.20,0.26,0.22,0.62,62.24,34.69
Hakas,4.41,1.05,2.04,18.58,0.30,5.06,0.16,0.12,3.4 5,17.21,43.45,3.67,0.19,0.15,0.16
Hazara,2.66,2.06,3.26,8.51,0.65,17.69,3.90,0.75,13 .54,20.75,23.51,1.95,0.39,0.21,0.16
Hezhen,0.08,0.14,0.07,0.22,0.10,0.18,0.11,0.15,0.6 1,55.91,39.88,1.84,0.55,0.09,0.07
Hungarian,24.08,17.29,20.04,12.73,9.49,5.87,7.04,1 .23,0.72,0.13,0.38,0.68,0.08,0.21,0.04
Iranian_Bandari,1.78,1.31,1.4,8.3,0.18,32.18,20.9, 3.91,22.34,0,0,0.38,0.18,1.86,5.28
Iranian_Jew,0.39,2.21,1.06,1.88,3.66,27.85,49.01,8 .04,4.66,0.14,0.27,0.08,0.16,0.48,0.11
Iranian_Lur,0.66,1.38,2,7.03,2.65,34.5,32.28,6.67, 10.46,0.12,0.92,0.29,0.17,0.15,0.72
Iranian_Mazandarani,1.18,1.09,0.56,9.32,0.59,37.46 ,31.63,3.66,11.57,0.04,0.97,0.49,0.37,0.36,0.71
Iranian_Persian,4.07,0.35,1.22,7.61,1.15,33.42,29. 19,6.35,12.55,0.47,0.82,0.84,0.44,0.42,1.1
Iraqi_Jew,0.42,1.04,0.33,0.96,3.55,26.66,55.6,8.19 ,2.6,0.11,0,0.08,0.25,0.21,0
Irish,36.92,30.40,9.48,8.82,7.71,4.21,0.16,0.27,0. 96,0.09,0.09,0.52,0.15,0.08,0.08
Irish_Connacht,37.57,30.18,9.18,9.34,7.35,3.93,0.1 4,0.11,1.09,0.03,0.10,0.62,0.11,0.10,0.08
Irish_Leinster,36.39,30.24,9.49,8.94,8.08,4.34,0.3 0,0.40,0.75,0.16,0.00,0.44,0.18,0.11,0.10
Irish_Munster,37.02,30.48,9.63,8.51,7.64,4.38,0.16 ,0.18,0.90,0.05,0.14,0.50,0.16,0.07,0.10
Irish_Ulster,36.93,30.83,9.29,8.56,7.61,4.34,0.04, 0.29,1.07,0.05,0.17,0.54,0.13,0.04,0.04
Italy_Aostavalley,26.62,25.03,7.48,4.39,17.71,6.75 ,9.38,1.80,0.00,0.02,0.17,0.19,0.14,0.15,0.16
Italy_Piedmont,21.38,25.13,7.86,4.01,19.32,6.70,12 .69,2.19,0.11,0.01,0.06,0.12,0.24,0.13,0.03
Italy_Trentino,21.92,21.72,11.28,5.55,18.46,5.83,1 3.09,1.32,0.00,0.03,0.11,0.16,0.47,0.06,0.00
Italy_Abruzzo,11.25,15.03,6.36,2.91,16.39,15.65,26 .38,5.48,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.17,0.07
Italy_Apulia,9.50,14.93,6.66,2.94,17.44,14.90,27.2 4,4.99,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.18,0.58,0.55,0.01
Italy_Calabria,8.07,12.92,4.55,1.98,17.48,15.12,31 .66,6.46,0.13,0.11,0.04,0.09,0.36,0.97,0.07
Italy_Campania,8.83,15.10,5.33,2.06,18.31,14.96,29 .68,5.57,0.12,0.14,0.04,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.08
Italy_Central_Sicily,8.94,14.64,4.78,1.31,17.60,14 .12,29.14,6.68,0.05,0.15,0.03,0.14,0.20,1.84,0.36
Italy_East_Sicily,8.07,12.81,4.41,1.82,18.07,15.44 ,30.59,6.26,0.22,0.18,0.13,0.07,0.23,1.20,0.48
Italy_West_Sicily,9.37,13.38,4.79,1.71,18.12,13.93 ,30.01,5.89,0.32,0.25,0.05,0.16,0.21,0.98,0.85
Italy_Emiliaromagna,17.94,19.13,7.04,3.17,20.08,8. 91,19.65,3.29,0.03,0.12,0.00,0.04,0.29,0.15,0.02
Italy_Friuli,19.00,21.50,10.42,6.03,17.50,7.38,14. 76,2.41,0.28,0.15,0.02,0.34,0.06,0.13,0.00
Italy_Lazio,15.18,17.36,7.06,2.43,19.99,9.92,23.83 ,3.74,0.07,0.14,0.03,0.10,0.03,0.05,0.09
Italy_Liguria,18.23,21.71,6.84,3.24,20.21,7.98,17. 82,3.03,0.11,0.17,0.07,0.23,0.24,0.03,0.08
Italy_Lombardy,21.50,22.45,6.34,2.73,20.71,6.38,16 .91,2.27,0.11,0.21,0.08,0.06,0.16,0.07,0.00
Italy_Marche,15.34,17.26,5.97,2.22,19.56,11.73,22. 54,4.32,0.21,0.10,0.00,0.37,0.10,0.27,0.07
Italy_Tuscany,17.25,20.05,6.52,2.79,20.41,9.07,19. 20,3.54,0.57,0.25,0.02,0.06,0.14,0.08,0.02
Italy_Veneto,21.07,21.37,8.50,5.45,18.65,7.15,14.6 9,2.42,0.14,0.18,0.05,0.08,0.15,0.09,0.00
Italian_Jewish,8.10,12.62,2.23,1.13,17.84,12.08,33 .85,8.25,0.07,0.65,0.21,0.08,0.75,2.14,0.01
Sicily_Palermo,9.2,14.08,4.66,1.91,18.3,14.52,28.6 4,5.94,0.23,0.22,0.05,0.12,0.24,1.16,0.73
Sicily_Ragusa,11.12,12.93,4.73,2.63,17.95,13.97,27 .54,6.07,0.21,0.04,0.37,0.07,0.17,1.19,1.02
Sicily_Syracuse,11,15.57,4.67,2.10,18.30,13.89,27. 23,4.66,0.16,0.31,0.18,0,0.23,0.95,0.75
Sicily_Enna,7.39,16.93,4.77,1.83,18.16,12.71,29.27 ,6.38,0.3,0.15,0.02,0,0.39,1.10,0.59
Sicily_Caltanisetta,9.17,14.82,4.89,1.43,18.03,14. 07,28.22,6.64,0.12,0.12,0.15,0.08,0.37,1.51,0.38
Sicily_Trapani,11.70,14.05,4.75,1.88,18.94,13.03,2 7.77,5.58,0.30,0.25,0.09,0.03,0.11,1.09,0.39
Sicily_Messina,8.21,12.78,4.16,1.84,18.56,14.77,30 .57,6.29,0.14,0.15,0.11,0.05,0.30,1.39,0.28
Sicily_Catania,8.42,14.04,4.03,1.89,18.05,14.97,30 .16,5.57,0.26,0.26,0.03,0.15,0.23,1.42,0.49
Sicily_Agrigento,9.18,13.12,5.12,1.76,18.22,13.22, 30.11,5.65,0.81,0.04,0.15,0.24,0.21,1.32,0.85
Japanese,0.06,0.05,0.06,0.11,0.06,0.07,0.08,0.07,0 .78,66.69,28.55,1.82,0.95,0.30,0.35
Jordanian,1.68,1.98,1.55,1.91,5.74,12.16,51.35,13. 85,1.42,0.54,0.46,0.12,0.3,4.54,2.4
Kabardin,5.55,6.25,7.36,8.61,2.96,46.11,11.08,1.66 ,2.91,1.7,4.77,0.6,0.1,0,0.34
Kalash,5.71,1.38,2.72,14.53,0.04,33.74,2.38,0.06,3 6.92,0.07,0.52,1.49,0.11,0.07,0.25
Kanjar,1.51,2.51,2.44,6.06,0.26,11.47,0.63,0.17,70 .46,1.57,0.69,0.67,0.91,0.40,0.25
Kargopol_Russian,18.59,13.89,25.58,26.79,2.93,2.39 ,0.74,0.11,1.71,0.36,4.92,1.39,0.17,0.24,0.18
Karitiana,0.01,0.00,0.01,0.01,0.00,0.01,0.00,0.00, 0.03,0.20,0.17,99.55,0.01,0.00,0.00
Kazakh,7.77,2.66,5.04,10.54,0.88,10,2.34,0.34,3.77 ,19.94,35.2,2.14,0.16,0,0.06
Karakalpak,5.72,4.0,4.75,10.64,1.32,12.39,3.37,0.9 2,5.04,19.65,29.45,1.72,0.64,0.14,0.18
Ket,2.39,0.71,2.28,23.59,0.00,0.33,0.00,0.00,3.21, 3.81,56.02,7.36,0.30,0.00,0.00
Kol,3.17,1.19,1.32,3.70,1.58,8.82,0.92,0.23,74.04, 1.89,1.00,0.97,0.59,0.37,0.21
Koryak,0.15,0.07,0.18,4.37,0.00,0.06,0.00,0.01,0.9 3,11.27,65.59,17.10,0.22,0.02,0.03
Kosovo_Albanian,12.9577777778,17.17,12.5977777778, 5.7488888889,16.2822222222,12.4444444444,19.543333 3333,2.4611111111,0.2788888889,0.1011111111,0.1266 666667,0.1477777778,0.1333333333,0,0
Kshatriya,3.02,2.65,2.66,7.85,0.34,16.40,1.36,0.21 ,61.61,0.60,0.94,1.20,0.59,0.31,0.27
Kumyk,8.63,5.88,4.52,11.73,1.29,44.23,12.43,0.73,3 .13,1.36,4.85,0.73,0.24,0.2,0.05
Kurd,4.15,1.47,0.55,7.07,1.72,38.5,34.1,3.68,6.92, 0.18,0.57,0.43,0.16,0.18,0.34
Kurdish_Jew,1.31,0.63,0.02,2.92,6.98,27.83,45.09,1 0.52,3.66,0.32,0.1,0.05,0.2,0.37,0
Kurumba,0.93,0.87,0.59,1.50,0.79,12.28,2.19,0.75,7 4.28,1.51,1.53,0.37,1.49,0.53,0.39
Lahu,0.11,0.25,0.13,0.24,0.17,0.10,0.16,0.14,3.75, 82.78,9.22,0.83,1.50,0.41,0.21
Latvian,20.7616666667,14.11,37.7383333333,23.96333 33333,1.7383333333,0.1883333333,0,0.2,0.1983333333 ,0.0033333333,0.275,0.4133333333,0.16,0.2133333333 ,0.0583333333
Lebanese_Christian,1.21,4.18,1.26,0.63,11.53,21.37 ,46.73,10.66,0.7,0.24,0,0.03,0.26,1.2,0
Lebanese_Druze,3.47,3.98,1.43,1.52,7.87,19.12,50.0 8,9.23,1.53,0.21,0.23,0.04,0.35,0.71,0.23
Lebanese_Muslim,2.43,5.62,2.09,1.22,9.76,22.26,39. 85,10.71,2.10,0.12,0.09,0.04,0.54,2.33,0.83
Lezgin,11.38,3.29,5.12,13.52,0,44.7,13.37,0.78,5.8 8,0.11,0.55,0.91,0.16,0.05,0.18
Libyan_Jewish,8.07,6.36,0.95,0.20,16.55,10.89,37.8 9,10.89,0.60,0.01,0.00,0.33,0.49,5.95,0.83
Lithuanian,20.15,15.72,36.36,21.18,2.50,1.63,0.61, 0.34,0.61,0.06,0.13,0.36,0.19,0.11,0.06
Luhya,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.09,0.08 ,0.10,0.05,0.03,0.17,23.69,75.58
Maasai,0.23,0.27,0.14,0.15,0.51,0.34,0.80,8.85,0.1 1,0.09,0.09,0.05,0.42,54.47,33.48
Macedonian,15.415,15.55,16.2835714286,10.425,13.62 5,9.8878571429,16.0614285714,2.0085714286,0.21,0.1 207142857,0.0114285714,0.1507142857,0.2257142857,0 .0028571429,0.0207142857
Macedonian_2,14.32,14.52,13.71,9.18,15.61,10.30,18 .71,2.88,0.09,0.17,0.05,0.18,0.26,0.02,0.00
Makrani,2.34,0.48,0.68,7.45,0.19,33.19,18.72,2.59, 30.01,0.00,0.05,0.26,0.24,1.11,2.69
Malay,0.32,0.46,0.57,0.48,0.18,0.29,0.22,0.14,16.2 2,74.13,0.54,0.60,5.10,0.38,0.37
Mandenka,0.15,0.23,0.16,0.20,0.28,0.14,0.29,0.77,0 .18,0.11,0.12,0.10,0.18,6.79,90.30
Mari,11.36,4.78,11.39,38.39,0.23,1.36,0.23,0.09,3. 86,0.80,23.79,2.83,0.28,0.10,0.51
Mayan,1.21,1.42,0.52,1.21,2.75,0.30,0.37,0.33,0.26 ,1.27,2.19,85.92,0.28,0.48,1.49
Mbuti_Pygmy,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.01,0.00,0.00,0.05,29.17,70.77
Miaozu,0.05,0.06,0.06,0.08,0.05,0.10,0.06,0.05,0.5 9,83.65,13.70,0.65,0.75,0.09,0.06
Moldavian,18.50,13.40,21.14,15.16,10.88,8.55,7.43, 1.48,1.10,0.24,0.56,0.56,0.61,0.08,0.31
Mongolian,2.39,1.13,0.96,5.69,1.14,4.39,1.53,0.65, 1.62,31.13,46.94,1.74,0.51,0.11,0.08
Montenegrin,18.2792857143,14.8542857143,15.4714285 714,11.035,13.74,9.6957142857,13.73,2.3828571429,0 .0457142857,0.0985714286,0.27,0.18,0.1514285714,0. 025,0.0407142857
Moroccan,2.23,9.50,0.52,0.43,24.21,0.21,22.46,17.4 7,0.04,0.41,0.04,0.03,0.16,13.79,8.49
Mozabite_Berber,1.20,11.89,0.42,0.20,23.64,0.24,22 .64,15.62,0.02,0.25,0.04,0.01,0.07,12.15,11.62
NAN_Melanesian,0.08,0.08,0.21,0.07,0.07,0.09,0.09, 0.12,5.74,22.48,1.00,0.29,68.94,0.34,0.40
Naxi,0.09,0.08,0.09,0.16,0.07,0.11,0.07,0.11,2.48, 70.74,24.27,0.36,0.98,0.18,0.21
Nogay,6.77,6.39,6.21,9.43,3.35,30.63,7.53,0.99,3.4 3,8.58,14.39,1.28,0.46,0.38,0.18
North_Amerindian,0.27,0.09,0.30,2.27,0.01,0.07,0.0 1,0.07,1.70,5.08,20.17,69.80,0.11,0.03,0.02
North_German,33.08,27.46,13.41,9.95,6.11,5.24,2.50 ,0.70,0.83,0.02,0.08,0.22,0.14,0.19,0.08
North_Kannadi,0.61,1.18,2.08,4.64,0.52,7.90,1.01,0 .30,75.14,2.13,1.52,0.63,1.45,0.43,0.46
North_Ossetian,5.32,6.18,8.13,5.15,2.33,51.03,11.0 4,1.57,2.31,1.63,4.18,0.72,0.19,0.14,0.08
North_Swedish,36.66,21.00,15.78,15.37,4.02,1.35,0. 68,0.34,0.69,0.55,2.21,0.64,0.62,0.07,0.03
Norwegian,39.73,23.47,13.26,11.48,6.36,2.24,0.80,0 .14,0.81,0.08,0.50,0.72,0.32,0.06,0.04
Norway,39.19,23.96,13.30,11.79,6.40,2.39,0.24,0.07 ,0.47,0.05,1.08,0.58,0.25,0.17,0.06
Orcadian,39.61,29.01,8.61,8.08,7.37,3.67,0.65,0.23 ,1.05,0.05,0.45,0.24,0.42,0.06,0.52
Oroqen,0.07,0.07,0.10,0.34,0.09,0.08,0.07,0.05,0.3 8,27.92,68.96,1.50,0.25,0.07,0.05
Ossetian,6.87,5.42,3.30,5.87,3.90,50.53,11.77,2.12 ,3.36,2.20,4.00,0.41,0.12,0.13,0.01
Palestinian,1.51,5.44,0.63,0.04,10.05,17.54,44.11, 15.91,0.85,0.62,0.12,0.06,0.08,3,0.04
Papuan,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.05,0.03,0.04,0.04,0.08,1.9 2,1.87,0.56,0.25,94.65,0.19,0.23
Pathan,4.68,1.09,3.02,11.66,0.25,27.89,6.04,0.46,4 1.29,0.25,1.44,1.50,0.10,0.09,0.25
Pennsylvania_Dutch,32.06,23.02,11.58,8.27,12.36,3. 01,8.04,0.34,0.45,0,0,0.15,0.44,0,0.27
Pima,0.71,0.31,0.48,1.47,0.26,0.24,0.24,0.15,0.72, 1.48,4.82,88.74,0.25,0.05,0.08
Piramalai,0.58,0.59,0.75,1.44,0.26,9.78,1.78,0.85, 78.68,1.40,0.60,0.66,1.68,0.67,0.28
Polish,21.75,18.55,28.01,19.90,5.58,2.87,1.44,0.67 ,0.34,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.05,0.30,0.24
Polish_Masuria,26.43,16.68,25.57,20.08,6.72,1.68,0 .33,0.68,0.74,0.04,0.22,0.19,0.19,0.20,0.24
Polish_Kielce,22.19,16.32,28.41,19.86,6.10,3.84,1. 17,0.65,0.82,0,0,0.21,0.19,0.20,0.02
Portuguese,21.61,26.61,5.71,3.71,21.63,2.65,10.21, 3.55,0.45,0.13,0.15,0.28,0.41,2.06,0.85
Punjabi_Jat,7.51,2.35,3.73,11.60,0.15,24.66,2.46,0 .50,45.44,0.07,0.20,0.85,0.16,0.10,0.23
Romanian,15.88,15.98,16.10,10.04,12.48,11.43,14.13 ,2.50,0.50,0.12,0.26,0.31,0.07,0.14,0.05
Romania_Ne,16.39,15.98,19.22,12.75,10.65,9.33,11.6 2,1.95,0.04,0.36,1.26,0.07,0.08,0.25,0.04
Romania_Nw,17.07,15.18,18.02,13.43,12.11,7.48,12.8 4,1.27,0.27,0.46,1.21,0.31,0.34,0.02,0.00
Romania_Se,17.84,12.38,15.14,11.64,15.21,7.88,14.2 2,2.06,1.27,0.21,1.00,0.64,0.29,0.23,0.00
Romania_South,16.57,13.97,16.17,8.97,13.72,11.44,1 5.14,2.36,0.15,0.55,0.25,0.54,0.16,0.00,0.05
Romania_Sw,16.69,14.59,17.91,8.98,13.57,9.89,14.00 ,2.04,0.58,0.00,1.08,0.29,0.40,0.00,0.00
RU_Pinega,20.512,13.654,25.518,23.846,3.358,1.502, 2.076,0.322,0.642,0.116,6.86,1.342,0.144,0.046,0
Russian_Smolensk,18.01,18.20,29.95,20.42,4.42,4.38 ,2.03,0.77,0.83,0.03,0.35,0.26,0.17,0.12,0.06
Sakilli,0.50,0.76,0.62,1.05,1.19,5.52,1.21,1.34,80 .24,3.25,0.45,0.18,2.29,0.77,0.63
Samaritan,0,5.29,0.66,0,12.08,16.67,46.12,15.8,0.1 9,0.15,0,0.02,0.17,2.85,0
San,0.01,0.02,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.03,0.01,0.01,0.05,0 .02,0.01,0.01,0.16,39.35,60.29
Sandawe,0.54,0.56,0.34,0.37,1.18,0.83,1.59,3.55,0. 37,0.28,0.12,0.09,0.44,51.87,37.87
Saqqaq,1.51,0.01,2.75,8.84,0.00,0.04,0.02,0.00,5.1 9,11.81,58.09,6.95,4.10,0.43,0.26
Sardinian,5.54,21.19,3.23,0.15,48.23,1.01,17.48,2. 56,0.00,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.32,0.20,0.05
Saudi,0.59,0.82,0.31,0.66,4.75,8.31,44.04,34.07,1. 42,0.21,0.11,0.10,0.17,4.14,0.31
Scottish,36.68,29.76,9.38,9.26,8.07,4.18,0.55,0.38 ,0.89,0.05,0.10,0.37,0.13,0.09,0.02
Selkup,1.95,0.79,1.77,28.17,0.00,0.69,0.01,0.00,1. 89,1.27,57.53,5.55,0.35,0.01,0.02
Sephardic_Jewish,5.29,14.02,2.36,1.42,16.21,13.51, 33.88,9.68,0.74,0.27,0.38,0.00,0.24,1.56,0.43
Serbian,18.84,17.28,15.16,12.76,11.74,8.44,12.18,2 .60,0.34,0.15,0.16,0.02,0.13,0.15,0.05
Serbian_Bosnia,18.2325,15.56,20.425,13.7875,11.847 5,6.7525,11.0875,1.385,0.17,0.2375,0.08,0.085,0.29 75,0.04,0.01
South_Serbian,17.53,16.17,15.54,11.30,13.19,10.26, 13.26,1.49,0.07,0.04,0.04,0.42,0.28,0.10,0.29
She,0.04,0.06,0.04,0.08,0.05,0.07,0.05,0.07,0.35,8 5.67,12.87,0.35,0.15,0.08,0.07
Shors,5.62,1.44,1.67,22.58,0.03,4.03,0.11,0.04,4.4 2,13.62,40.67,5.31,0.19,0.05,0.22
Sindhi,3.47,1.33,1.42,8.24,0.10,27.16,7.12,0.50,47 .96,0.10,0.38,1.10,0.25,0.33,0.53
Slovak,23.7769230769,15.9630769231,23.2923076923,1 5.5815384615,8.88,4.7307692308,4.6392307692,0.9423 076923,0.8,0.1653846154,0.1123076923,0.4746153846, 0.3623076923,0.1638461538,0.1207692308
Slovenian,21.1538461538,18.7069230769,21.223076923 1,13.2784615385,11.0692307692,6.0892307692,6.25846 15385,1.0584615385,0.3692307692,0.11,0.1292307692, 0.2646153846,0.1069230769,0.1407692308,0.041538461 5
Somali,0.10,0.16,0.06,0.04,1.95,0.12,7.86,22.22,0. 01,0.09,0.09,0.07,0.06,59.51,7.66
Sorb_Lusatia,23.95,18.87,25.55,17.18,6.36,3.47,3.2 2,0.27,0.60,0.18,0.01,0.20,0.08,0.01,0.05
South_Polish,21.68,16.99,27.00,18.00,6.75,4.82,2.7 2,0.62,0.66,0.13,0.20,0.10,0.12,0.12,0.09
Southwest_Finnish,29.33,21.56,20.50,17.93,3.52,1.0 0,0.45,0.18,0.48,0.14,3.66,1.01,0.18,0.04,0.03
Southwest_French,18.23,33.82,8.51,5.22,23.54,1.68, 6.12,1.97,0.21,0.04,0.21,0.38,0.02,0.05,0.00
Southwest_Russian,18.45,15.40,29.69,22.51,3.45,4.8 5,2.54,0.39,0.54,0.10,0.83,0.60,0.30,0.18,0.16
Spanish_Andalucia,15.69,31.45,5.58,2.99,23.21,3.99 ,11.30,2.49,0.48,0.18,0.46,0.04,0.31,1.32,0.52
Spanish_Aragon,18.12,35.04,5.17,2.95,23.35,2.00,8. 96,2.85,0.27,0.15,0.16,0.22,0.21,0.47,0.08
Spanish_Cantabria,19.95,32.02,5.93,4.22,23.95,2.17 ,6.59,2.68,0.31,0.04,0.07,0.26,0.30,0.91,0.61
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,17.84,33.09,4.72,3.46,2 2.53,3.48,9.32,3.19,0.30,0.11,0.08,0.13,0.06,1.40, 0.28
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,20.52,29.84,7.19,2.38,20.8 2,2.77,9.35,3.61,0.16,0.24,0.07,0.16,0.13,1.92,0.8 4
Spanish_Cataluna,21.75,29.63,6.92,4.00,20.70,3.10, 9.73,1.88,0.48,0.36,0.06,0.03,0.29,0.56,0.50
Spanish_Extremadura,19.86,28.49,4.72,3.60,21.52,3. 09,10.75,4.67,0.39,0.01,0.01,0.36,0.10,1.48,0.95
Spanish_Galicia,23.22,24.88,6.54,3.91,21.78,2.42,8 .93,4.48,0.88,0.19,0.13,0.12,0.03,1.52,0.96
Spanish_Murcia,19.87,29.93,4.85,3.06,20.83,2.52,11 .69,3.13,0.27,0.61,0.39,0.50,0.12,1.57,0.67
Spanish_Valencia,17.55,32.77,6.17,3.66,21.94,2.78, 10.99,1.90,0.63,0.12,0.04,0.21,0.33,0.45,0.45
Sudanese,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .01,0.01,0.00,0.00,0.01,48.93,51.04
North_Swedish,37.45,23.37,14.64,13.68,6.12,1.22,0. 23,0.11,0.75,0.18,0.91,0.78,0.43,0.02,0.11
Aland_Sweden,32.07,22.77,18.94,17.59,4.27,0.00,0.0 3,0.00,1.25,0.04,1.91,0.78,0.34,0.00,0.00
Swedish,38.75,24.05,14.44,11.79,5.64,2.45,0.29,0.2 7,0.74,0.11,0.43,0.55,0.29,0.08,0.11
Swiss_German,29.02,24.29,11.25,7.06,13.51,5.61,7.4 0,1.10,0.15,0.01,0.10,0.21,0.17,0.07,0.04
Syrian,3.1,4.72,1.81,1.6,7.92,19.93,37.09,13.2,2.4 8,0.36,0.2,0.11,0.41,4.9,2.17
Szekely,19.26,18.825,17.27,9.745,9.47,8.32,10.435, 1.48,0.84,0.325,2.485,0.405,0.67,0.045,0.15
Tabassaran,14.14,3.79,3.82,14.95,0.04,43.12,10.94, 0.33,6.16,0.03,0.65,1.65,0.02,0.02,0.34
Tadjik,7.35,5.23,3.48,11.77,0.81,28.55,8.03,1.14,1 9.27,3.96,8.24,1.52,0.09,0.27,0.29
Tatar,14.44,10.70,16.22,22.17,2.71,9.60,1.41,0.73, 2.41,2.97,14.22,1.72,0.19,0.11,0.40
Tibeto-Burman_Burmese,0.34,0.34,0.45,0.47,0.47,0.44,0.35, 0.35,18.32,61.65,13.19,0.90,1.68,0.41,0.64
Tu,0.59,0.41,0.48,0.63,0.50,1.12,0.65,0.38,2.17,62 .77,27.82,1.22,0.65,0.28,0.33
Tujia,0.05,0.04,0.05,0.07,0.05,0.06,0.05,0.04,0.33 ,81.96,16.03,0.48,0.52,0.13,0.14
Tunisian,0.94,11.73,1.47,0.06,20.07,1.69,27.17,15. 05,0.00,0.17,0.29,0.00,0.34,10.52,10.48
Tunisian_Jewish,3.45,12.09,1.83,0.10,15.16,12.85,3 7.53,10.56,0.15,0.26,0.28,0.02,0.51,4.48,0.74
Turkish_Anatolia,3.25,7.28,2.98,4.13,7.79,29.40,28 .81,5.62,4.36,2.02,3.28,0.32,0.42,0.30,0.03
Turk_Meskhetian,3.24,2.65,2.33,3.73,6.59,47.19,27. 5,3.21,2.62,0.28,0.08,0.2,0.19,0.08,0.11
Turkish_Adana,5.23,5.24,2.81,4.6,8.1,26.29,29.68,7 .05,4.29,0.96,3.66,0.37,0.36,0.98,0.38
Turkish_Aydin,5.6,5.29,6.76,5.09,8.5,24.88,24.03,3 .96,1.75,3.9,7.99,0.98,0.44,0.69,0.14
Turkish_Balikesir,8.79,6.4,3.95,6.54,9.57,22.99,21 .7,3.09,3.63,3.29,8.46,0.33,0.56,0.3,0.4
Turkish_East,2.4,5.66,2.1,2.88,6.85,40.55,30.7,4.1 6,3.35,0.11,0.66,0.34,0.17,0.03,0.04
Turkish_Kayseri,2.9,5.08,2.72,5.82,8.97,29.8,29.53 ,4.91,3.8,1.84,3.36,0.5,0.29,0.34,0.14
Turkish_Trabzon,1.16,4.41,1.92,0.9,9.21,43.89,33.5 3,3.76,0.75,0.11,0.02,0.04,0.27,0,0.03
Turkmen,4.07,3.12,2.51,9.67,2.44,27.87,19.24,2.77, 13.66,5.30,7.47,1.11,0.03,0.49,0.25
Tuscan,14.30,20.09,6.44,2.92,19.82,10.04,20.77,4.7 5,0.26,0.01,0.08,0.01,0.22,0.21,0.08
Tuvinian,1.46,0.66,0.43,10.63,0.45,1.65,0.39,0.45, 1.59,23.93,54.94,2.44,0.69,0.09,0.20
Ukrainian_Kiev_Avg,18.79,15.55,29.64,19.30,6.20,4. 73,2.61,0.91,0.57,0.16,0.47,0.40,0.35,0.08,0.23
Ukrainian_Belgorod,17.90,15.05,29.66,22.16,3.76,6. 41,2.58,0.64,0.68,0.21,0.21,0.31,0.12,0.14,0.17
Ukrainian_Lviv,22.18,13.92,27.35,16.68,7.54,4.90,3 .14,1.44,0.97,0.25,0.54,0.54,0.45,0.04,0.05
Ukraine_East,18.08,13.38,31.97,22.31,6.69,2.68,1.1 0,0.14,1.86,0.29,0.40,0.42,0.36,0.20,0.12
Uttar_Pradesh,1.80,2.51,1.60,4.44,1.35,8.46,0.92,0 .81,72.24,2.53,1.25,0.68,0.91,0.28,0.22
Uygur,4.52,4.36,3.77,8.19,0.83,15.29,4.28,0.46,11. 15,24.16,19.70,2.41,0.42,0.26,0.20
Uzbeki,4.23,2.75,5.26,9.85,1.24,16.04,6.59,1.12,12 .70,15.83,22.23,1.47,0.17,0.30,0.20
Velamas,0.75,0.59,0.63,1.31,0.41,14.03,3.76,0.45,7 3.65,1.36,1.01,0.31,1.10,0.32,0.32
Vietnamese,0.21,0.08,0.22,0.28,0.11,0.16,0.14,0.16 ,4.39,87.54,4.92,0.32,1.12,0.20,0.15
Welsh,36.46,28.89,9.84,8.67,9.27,4.12,0.71,0.37,0. 60,0.06,0.14,0.32,0.22,0.2,0.08
West_German,34.00,21.84,10.46,8.06,11.13,5.00,6.33 ,1.02,0.73,0.11,0.18,0.35,0.36,0.31,0.12
West_Greenlander,2.10,0.95,2.56,10.50,0.08,0.25,0. 05,0.04,2.30,7.03,37.50,36.41,0.11,0.07,0.04
West_Norwegian,42.41,24.22,12.26,10.67,6.09,2.26,0 .63,0.08,0.13,0.23,0.40,0.57,0.03,0.00,0.00
West_Scottish,37.33,30.46,10.34,8.90,6.70,3.07,1.1 7,0.67,0.54,0.05,0.17,0.39,0.11,0.06,0.05
West_Sicilian,9.76,18.32,4.70,3.27,17.76,10.64,26. 75,5.37,0.57,0.19,0.08,0.01,0.52,1.33,0.72
Xibo,0.46,0.29,0.29,0.59,0.37,0.59,0.43,0.25,0.74, 56.12,37.91,1.07,0.46,0.26,0.17
Yakut,0.95,0.78,1.28,1.63,0.96,0.88,0.47,0.54,1.36 ,15.42,73.78,0.91,0.71,0.21,0.12
Yemenite_Jewish,0.27,1.05,0.16,0.11,4.40,5.41,54.1 2,27.46,0.48,0.06,0.10,0.08,0.18,6.11,0.01
Yizu,0.05,0.07,0.05,0.12,0.06,0.12,0.05,0.11,2.32, 71.53,22.87,0.76,1.55,0.16,0.18
Yoruban,0.04,0.07,0.06,0.05,0.07,0.10,0.09,0.39,0. 06,0.05,0.04,0.04,0.07,3.00,95.87
Gagauz,13.85,12.01,15.31,9.84,13.82,12.36,18.58,2. 86,0.29,0.13,0.19,0.24,0.47,0.04,0.00

[J. Ketch]

This is from last May, not sure if it changed after that:



Abhkasian,3.11,3.01,3.08,2.89,4.25,57.83,18.64,2.3 6,2.62,0.73,0.81,0.27,0.24,0.11,0.06
Adygei,5.33,5.84,6.82,7.85,2.64,48.75,13.72,2.27,3 .01,0.86,2.01,0.64,0.09,0.11,0.05
Afghan_Hazara,5.42,3.05,2.36,8.32,0.19,18.67,6.07, 0.73,14.86,17.41,20.23,2.08,0.24,0.08,0.30
Afghan_Pashtun,7.21,2.94,2.58,12.28,0.00,32.65,8.3 0,0.49,27.30,1.04,3.12,1.19,0.31,0.05,0.53
Afghan_Tadjik,6.69,0.81,2.21,10.13,1.16,27.53,11.0 7,0.65,20.18,6.95,10.32,1.35,0.12,0.28,0.54
Afghan_Turkmen,5.96,3.18,4.34,12.09,1.54,18.62,8.3 0,0.19,8.87,10.33,23.88,1.28,0.61,0.21,0.60
Afghan_Uzbeki,5.64,1.41,3.12,10.13,0.44,26.13,11.8 1,1.45,20.86,7.11,10.35,0.75,0.35,0.21,0.25
Afrikaner,31.53,25.40,10.99,8.04,10.21,3.75,3.36,0 .69,2.03,0.71,0.22,0.33,0.42,0.50,1.75
Albanian-Kosovo,14.93,15.66,11.94,6.23,18.27,10.32,19.43,2. 54,0.09,0.30,0.04,0.04,0.21,0.00,0.00
Albanian-Macedonia,11.79,17.19,12.38,6.66,16.85,10.32,20.82 ,3.28,0.04,0.38,0.11,0.03,0.17,0.00,0.00
Albanian-North,14.45,14.29,11.27,5.18,18.11,11.91,21.57,2.6 8,0.00,0.03,0.05,0.15,0.24,0.07,0.00
Albanian-South,13.63,14.55,9.85,5.47,17.69,11.03,23.38,3.51 ,0.00,0.25,0.09,0.34,0.16,0.00,0.04
Algerian,4.18,8.75,0.98,0.51,21.32,0.93,25.13,15.4 7,0.20,0.24,0.04,0.12,0.18,11.84,10.12
Algerian_Jewish,5.28,12.72,2.56,1.35,18.76,10.72,3 4.79,8.15,0.53,0.36,0.21,0.00,0.37,2.39,1.81
Altaian,2.97,1.94,2.03,10.94,0.52,4.57,0.56,0.34,3 .20,21.66,47.49,3.09,0.46,0.05,0.18
Anzick-1,0.02,0.01,0.03,2.60,0.54,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.04,1.2 7,4.03,90.98,0.47,0.00,0.00
Armenian_West,2.77,2.49,1.74,3.3,9.67,35.84,35.69, 5.68,2.26,0.07,0.11,0.19,0.17,0,0.02
Armenian_East,3.4,4.09,1.87,2.77,7.23,38.5,32.99,5 .85,2.92,0,0.1,0.08,0.12,0.03,0.05
Azerbaijani,3.47,3.54,2,6.28,4.04,33.46,28.85,4.88 ,7.37,1.71,2.96,0.62,0.13,0.55,0.14
Azeri_Dagestan,6.51,3.91,4.23,10.29,1.36,40.84,21. 57,1.4,6.51,0.56,1.57,0.95,0.03,0.07,0.2
Azerbaijani_Iran,3.61,2.35,2.26,6.40,4.39,32.91,28 .60,4.52,8.17,2.27,2.95,0.69,0.16,0.32,0.34
Ashkenazi,9.89,10.70,6.74,5.17,14.82,13.05,26.61,8 .07,1.20,0.60,0.58,0.32,0.24,1.63,0.39
Assyrian,2.07,2.56,1.17,2.33,8.03,30.86,40.41,8.76 ,3.07,0.08,0.03,0.07,0.16,0.36,0.03
Austrian,20.59,23.17,18.31,13.24,8.86,6.16,7.21,1. 25,0.73,0.03,0.12,0.04,0.13,0.11,0.04
Austria-Burgenland,27.63,20.42,15.58,12.08,9.89,5.91,5.45, 0.69,0.63,0.01,0.05,0.86,0.34,0.27,0.19
Austria-Tyrol,25.37,22.36,10.49,8.78,13.81,8.06,8.11,1.89, 0.10,0.17,0.28,0.28,0.16,0.10,0.06
Austroasiatic_Ho,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.02,0.00,0.0 0,0.01,68.94,25.12,0.61,0.19,4.26,0.36,0.45
Balkar,5.21,5.55,6.31,7.52,4.29,46.93,10.93,1.38,2 .66,2.69,4.98,0.86,0.39,0.14,0.16
Balochi,2.99,1.37,1.23,10.31,0.18,34.33,14.62,1.86 ,31.78,0.00,0.09,0.36,0.02,0.23,0.63
Bangladeshi,1.79,1.86,1.37,6.22,0.70,11.94,1.13,0. 50,60.79,8.83,2.20,0.72,1.56,0.10,0.30
Bantu_N.E.,0.06,0.06,0.07,0.08,0.08,0.09,0.15,0.34 ,0.14,0.22,0.13,0.17,0.12,23.89,74.40
Bantu_S.E.,0.02,0.02,0.01,0.03,0.01,0.03,0.02,0.03 ,0.06,0.07,0.06,0.03,0.09,13.60,85.92
Bantu_S.W.,0.03,0.04,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.04,0.04,0.06 ,0.06,0.06,0.06,0.04,0.14,11.83,87.51
Bedouin,1.51,2.90,1.66,1.20,7.74,13.01,38.46,21.03 ,1.61,0.20,0.41,0.28,0.23,6.95,2.82
Belgian,32.55,25.96,10.23,8.01,11.61,4.03,4.54,1.0 8,0.78,0.05,0.03,0.32,0.23,0.42,0.09
Belorussian,19.33,17.63,32.02,21.25,3.39,2.48,1.80 ,0.89,0.48,0.08,0.21,0.10,0.17,0.10,0.06
Biaka_Pygmy,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.08,18.63,81.25
Bosnian,17.7286666667,14.9073333333,20.5093333333, 13.186,11.1213333333,8.0553333333,10.7913333333,1. 4586666667,1.4533333333,0.2746666667,0.078,0.16933 33333,0.2046666667,0.022,0.0406666667
Bosniak,16.68,16.19,21.25,13.20,11.12,8.39,10.75,1 .07,0.59,0.29,0.09,0.19,0.08,0.08,0.05
Brahmin_UP,4.96,4.47,2.91,8.83,0.38,15.62,0.90,0.1 8,58.12,0.56,0.54,1.54,0.61,0.17,0.21
Brahui,2.47,0.65,0.77,9.27,0.06,34.45,15.33,1.97,3 2.42,0.04,0.26,0.42,0.15,0.60,1.13
Bulgarian,14.40,14.28,16.61,9.81,13.50,10.73,17.01 ,2.37,0.23,0.09,0.19,0.39,0.32,0.06,0.01
Bulgarian_Thracian,7.44,15.78,16.37,6.07,14.41,11. 92,22.38,2.27,2.17,0.67,0.28,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Burusho,2.29,0.70,1.31,14.77,0.04,27.77,1.04,0.09, 39.24,4.45,5.40,2.04,0.27,0.19,0.40
Buryat,0.66,0.85,0.98,2.99,0.91,3.22,1.14,0.87,1.2 5,27.19,57.88,1.54,0.31,0.15,0.06
Cambodian,0.23,0.29,0.53,0.28,0.36,0.29,0.29,0.29, 14.32,77.57,1.08,0.43,3.17,0.48,0.39
Central_Greek,10.06,13.12,7.23,3.39,17.29,15.74,26 .95,5.24,0.16,0.21,0.04,0.12,0.43,0.02,0.00
Chamar,0.82,1.40,1.50,1.90,0.89,5.39,0.74,0.75,80. 17,1.82,1.53,1.17,1.35,0.37,0.20
Chechen,9.62,5.63,6.53,10.7,0.39,47.61,9.97,1.08,4 .17,0.73,1.26,1.15,0.81,0.22,0.13
Chenchu,0.88,1.05,1.05,0.63,1.55,7.33,1.23,0.60,74 .08,6.26,1.93,0.85,1.78,0.42,0.35
Chukchi,0.08,0.04,0.07,4.43,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.00,1. 07,9.50,59.87,24.26,0.62,0.00,0.02
Chuvash,13.39,5.79,13.51,36.15,0.88,3.35,0.88,0.53 ,1.97,2.49,17.74,2.43,0.44,0.19,0.26
Cornish,33.56,30.67,9.85,9.02,10.15,3.69,1.31,0.33 ,0.34,0.02,0.03,0.53,0.37,0.04,0.02
Croatian,18.41,17.52,22.74,15.17,10.17,6.69,6.25,1 .29,0.72,0.02,0.02,0.44,0.24,0.16,0.16
Croat_Bosnia,23.3725,13.59,19.285,13.4,11.875,6.17 ,8.49,1.4025,1.87,0,0.31,0.17,0.03,0,0.035
Kaykavian_Croatian,21.74,20.11,20.79,14.68,8.12,6. 47,5.05,0.84,0.67,0.30,0.00,0.87,0.29,0.09,0.00
Cypriot,1.62,5.28,3.93,0.33,17.7,20.13,45.02,5.01, 0.06,0.08,0.09,0.01,0.29,0.31,0.14
Czech,23.49,20.03,22.22,13.99,9.20,4.59,3.88,1.05, 0.53,0.08,0.09,0.37,0.20,0.11,0.14
Dai,0.17,0.17,0.29,0.29,0.12,0.20,0.15,0.07,2.70,9 1.41,2.02,0.57,1.47,0.17,0.20
Danish,39.23,25.55,13.14,10.31,5.77,2.83,0.81,0.31 ,0.76,0.18,0.01,0.59,0.17,0.18,0.14
Dharkar,2.00,2.29,2.57,3.97,1.03,11.97,1.37,0.26,6 8.92,1.61,1.55,0.87,0.78,0.57,0.24
Dolgan,2.07,0.84,3.13,3.92,0.56,0.57,0.22,0.21,1.6 5,9.47,74.92,1.43,0.40,0.38,0.22
Dusadh,1.44,0.68,0.87,2.13,1.25,9.12,2.16,1.06,74. 95,2.78,0.60,0.59,1.54,0.31,0.52
Dutch,37.03,25.96,10.81,9.20,8.54,3.18,1.93,0.81,0 .69,0.25,0.28,0.45,0.31,0.22,0.27
Dutch_Central,37.04,26.51,11.05,9.20,7.78,3.09,1.8 2,0.95,0.67,0.30,0.25,0.49,0.35,0.20,0.24
Dutch_North,40.33,24.45,10.84,9.65,7.80,2.60,1.12, 0.41,0.68,0.21,0.36,0.45,0.37,0.24,0.42
Dutch_South,33.45,25.88,10.31,8.57,11.28,3.70,3.23 ,1.13,0.71,0.24,0.33,0.39,0.21,0.27,0.23
East_Finnish,25.20,15.64,21.87,23.75,2.22,0.76,0.1 9,0.20,1.02,0.66,7.08,0.73,0.56,0.03,0.08
East_German,26.64,21.71,18.07,13.28,10.36,5.16,2.8 0,1.02,0.57,0.02,0.05,0.15,0.02,0.09,0.04
East_Greenlander,0.18,0.02,0.12,4.19,0.00,0.04,0.0 1,0.02,1.46,8.57,43.23,41.76,0.33,0.02,0.05
East_Sicilian,9.75,13.27,6.39,2.26,17.36,14.43,26. 95,6.76,0.52,0.03,0.00,0.06,0.25,1.60,0.36
Egyptian,0.90,3.78,0.69,0.28,9.89,7.14,39.22,18.38 ,0.24,0.13,0.20,0.06,0.16,12.85,6.09
English,36.08,28.15,10.13,8.74,9.50,3.75,1.38,0.49 ,0.70,0.05,0.09,0.32,0.24,0.16,0.11
English_Midlands,36.16,27.81,10.01,8.85,9.63,3.78, 1.42,0.47,0.67,0.05,0.07,0.26,0.24,0.20,0.14
English_North,36.52,28.45,10.31,8.90,9.06,3.62,0.9 8,0.43,0.66,0.03,0.10,0.34,0.25,0.16,0.11
English_Southeast,35.58,27.60,10.38,8.44,9.73,3.98 ,1.91,0.55,0.70,0.08,0.10,0.37,0.25,0.15,0.10
English_Southwest,36.07,28.45,9.75,8.77,10.30,3.23 ,1.25,0.49,0.77,0.04,0.07,0.30,0.26,0.11,0.08
Erzya,16.81,10.25,27.66,29.07,2.72,3.63,1.14,0.34, 1.23,0.51,5.13,1.22,0.03,0.13,0.13
Estonian,26.23,16.33,30.12,20.68,1.83,0.56,0.01,0. 00,0.53,0.02,2.13,1.09,0.46,0.00,0.00
Estonian_Polish,18.34,17.71,31.21,22.50,4.43,2.06, 0.85,1.02,0.75,0.10,0.36,0.35,0.16,0.13,0.03
Ethiopian_Amhara,0.08,0.51,0.09,0.04,1.27,0.34,18. 47,24.18,0.08,0.11,0.03,0.11,0.16,50.19,4.33
Ethiopian_Anuak,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.01,0.02,0.01,0.00,0.02,53.49,46.45
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator,0.44,0.32,0.32,0.40,0.37, 1.19,0.72,5.18,1.30,0.33,0.40,0.23,0.40,78.17,10.2 3
Ethiopian_Gumuz,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.10,0.14,0.09,0.04,0.18,67.39,32.05
Ethiopian_Oromo,0.08,0.32,0.15,0.04,1.21,0.34,12.5 6,18.22,0.10,0.58,0.02,0.07,0.12,58.21,7.98
Ethiopian_Tigray,0.09,0.49,0.15,0.04,2.25,0.24,20. 45,24.26,0.03,0.01,0.02,0.01,0.21,48.97,2.79
Ethiopian_Wolayta,0.40,0.65,0.13,0.11,0.88,0.44,9. 49,16.73,0.27,0.39,0.25,0.18,0.16,62.80,7.12
Evenki,0.43,0.65,1.79,1.46,0.29,0.45,0.29,0.27,0.7 5,12.14,78.75,1.46,1.00,0.13,0.14
Evens,0.66,0.45,0.65,1.00,0.66,0.53,0.41,0.32,0.72 ,10.43,80.67,2.50,0.65,0.23,0.12
Finnish,29.36,17.42,21.95,18.78,2.49,1.06,0.36,0.1 4,0.57,0.90,5.30,0.91,0.52,0.14,0.10
French_Central,27.38,27.39,8.88,6.00,16.19,3.96,6. 85,1.54,0.33,0.16,0.21,0.29,0.25,0.37,0.19
French_Alsace,28.49,24.36,12.31,7.12,12.76,5.91,6. 23,1.50,0.20,0.31,0.14,0.20,0.14,0.13,0.19
French_Brittany,33.63,28.77,9.43,8.78,10.92,3.51,2 .23,0.79,0.81,0.15,0.14,0.39,0.18,0.15,0.12
French_North-East,30.06,25.90,9.94,7.14,13.16,4.86,5.19,1.51,0. 65,0.21,0.22,0.33,0.20,0.26,0.38
French_South,23.44,30.07,6.86,5.00,20.86,2.32,7.92 ,1.58,0.42,0.08,0.14,0.41,0.38,0.36,0.15
French_Provence,21.75,23.86,7.06,4.44,18.01,6.15,1 4.55,2.44,0.32,0.13,0.18,0.25,0.24,0.47,0.16
French_Southwest,20.30,39.32,4.81,2.49,24.29,0.77, 4.44,1.91,0.45,0.30,0.23,0.20,0.21,0.17,0.13
French_Basque,16.85,45.40,4.79,2.82,25.04,0.83,2.7 4,0.73,0.13,0.28,0.04,0.03,0.10,0.17,0.04
France_Corsica,13.78,21.54,5.02,1.26,24.13,8.14,22 .27,3.14,0.01,0.27,0.07,0.04,0.26,0.06,0.01
German_Bavarian,28.38,26.11,11.62,8.33,11.51,6.15, 6.01,0.76,0.10,0.21,0.10,0.23,0.30,0.13,0.05
Georgian,4.68,3.90,3.69,3.27,4.64,53.84,19.63,3.24 ,2.12,0.16,0.23,0.34,0.08,0.13,0.05
Georgian_Jew,2.49,2.62,1.11,2.93,6.89,32,38.44,8.3 ,4.32,0.2,0.05,0.17,0.11,0.32,0.05
Georgian_Laz,1.62,4.63,1.86,1.49,8.34,46.69,29.92, 3.4,1.44,0.21,0.03,0.1,0.08,0.06,0.13
Greek,8.81,15.49,11.70,6.91,17.16,12.72,23.47,2.73 ,0.41,0.05,0.01,0.03,0.36,0.11,0.02
Greek_Thessaly,14.00,11.56,11.50,5.16,17.47,12.02, 22.23,4.01,1.20,0.03,0.08,0.42,0.22,0.08,0.01
Greek_Trabzon,2.8,3.56,2.23,2.09,10.93,38.24,34.72 ,4.05,0.87,0.08,0.19,0.04,0.17,0,0.03
GR_Macedonia,10.845,12.2383333333,13.4233333333,6. 9733333333,15.06,14.4533333333,22.6516666667,3.188 3333333,0.1866666667,0.1683333333,0.2716666667,0,0 .3683333333,0.175,0
GR_Peloponese,10.215,14.68875,10.57125,5.87625,15. 37375,13.35875,23.97125,3.76375,1.17875,0.2175,0.1 6625,0.10875,0.35125,0.15625,0
Greek_Crete,8.69,10.84,7.57,3.47,16.52,16.62,30.27 ,4.78,0.01,0.10,0.18,0.14,0.51,0.24,0.06
Gujarati,4.70,1.61,2.04,8.13,0.23,18.18,1.61,0.28, 60.87,0.43,0.90,0.31,0.37,0.12,0.22
Hadza,0.09,0.06,0.09,0.10,0.02,0.10,0.04,0.09,1.18 ,0.20,0.26,0.22,0.62,62.24,34.69
Hakas,4.41,1.05,2.04,18.58,0.30,5.06,0.16,0.12,3.4 5,17.21,43.45,3.67,0.19,0.15,0.16
Hazara,2.66,2.06,3.26,8.51,0.65,17.69,3.90,0.75,13 .54,20.75,23.51,1.95,0.39,0.21,0.16
Hezhen,0.08,0.14,0.07,0.22,0.10,0.18,0.11,0.15,0.6 1,55.91,39.88,1.84,0.55,0.09,0.07
Hungarian,24.08,17.29,20.04,12.73,9.49,5.87,7.04,1 .23,0.72,0.13,0.38,0.68,0.08,0.21,0.04
Iranian_Bandari,1.78,1.31,1.4,8.3,0.18,32.18,20.9, 3.91,22.34,0,0,0.38,0.18,1.86,5.28
Iranian_Jew,0.39,2.21,1.06,1.88,3.66,27.85,49.01,8 .04,4.66,0.14,0.27,0.08,0.16,0.48,0.11
Iranian_Lur,0.66,1.38,2,7.03,2.65,34.5,32.28,6.67, 10.46,0.12,0.92,0.29,0.17,0.15,0.72
Iranian_Mazandarani,1.18,1.09,0.56,9.32,0.59,37.46 ,31.63,3.66,11.57,0.04,0.97,0.49,0.37,0.36,0.71
Iranian_Persian,4.07,0.35,1.22,7.61,1.15,33.42,29. 19,6.35,12.55,0.47,0.82,0.84,0.44,0.42,1.1
Iraqi_Jew,0.42,1.04,0.33,0.96,3.55,26.66,55.6,8.19 ,2.6,0.11,0,0.08,0.25,0.21,0
Irish,36.92,30.40,9.48,8.82,7.71,4.21,0.16,0.27,0. 96,0.09,0.09,0.52,0.15,0.08,0.08
Irish_Connacht,37.57,30.18,9.18,9.34,7.35,3.93,0.1 4,0.11,1.09,0.03,0.10,0.62,0.11,0.10,0.08
Irish_Leinster,36.39,30.24,9.49,8.94,8.08,4.34,0.3 0,0.40,0.75,0.16,0.00,0.44,0.18,0.11,0.10
Irish_Munster,37.02,30.48,9.63,8.51,7.64,4.38,0.16 ,0.18,0.90,0.05,0.14,0.50,0.16,0.07,0.10
Irish_Ulster,36.93,30.83,9.29,8.56,7.61,4.34,0.04, 0.29,1.07,0.05,0.17,0.54,0.13,0.04,0.04
Italy_Aostavalley,26.62,25.03,7.48,4.39,17.71,6.75 ,9.38,1.80,0.00,0.02,0.17,0.19,0.14,0.15,0.16
Italy_Piedmont,21.38,25.13,7.86,4.01,19.32,6.70,12 .69,2.19,0.11,0.01,0.06,0.12,0.24,0.13,0.03
Italy_Trentino,21.92,21.72,11.28,5.55,18.46,5.83,1 3.09,1.32,0.00,0.03,0.11,0.16,0.47,0.06,0.00
Italy_Abruzzo,11.25,15.03,6.36,2.91,16.39,15.65,26 .38,5.48,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.17,0.07
Italy_Apulia,9.50,14.93,6.66,2.94,17.44,14.90,27.2 4,4.99,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.18,0.58,0.55,0.01
Italy_Calabria,8.07,12.92,4.55,1.98,17.48,15.12,31 .66,6.46,0.13,0.11,0.04,0.09,0.36,0.97,0.07
Italy_Campania,8.83,15.10,5.33,2.06,18.31,14.96,29 .68,5.57,0.12,0.14,0.04,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.08
Italy_Central_Sicily,8.94,14.64,4.78,1.31,17.60,14 .12,29.14,6.68,0.05,0.15,0.03,0.14,0.20,1.84,0.36
Italy_East_Sicily,8.07,12.81,4.41,1.82,18.07,15.44 ,30.59,6.26,0.22,0.18,0.13,0.07,0.23,1.20,0.48
Italy_West_Sicily,9.37,13.38,4.79,1.71,18.12,13.93 ,30.01,5.89,0.32,0.25,0.05,0.16,0.21,0.98,0.85
Italy_Emiliaromagna,17.94,19.13,7.04,3.17,20.08,8. 91,19.65,3.29,0.03,0.12,0.00,0.04,0.29,0.15,0.02
Italy_Friuli,19.00,21.50,10.42,6.03,17.50,7.38,14. 76,2.41,0.28,0.15,0.02,0.34,0.06,0.13,0.00
Italy_Lazio,15.18,17.36,7.06,2.43,19.99,9.92,23.83 ,3.74,0.07,0.14,0.03,0.10,0.03,0.05,0.09
Italy_Liguria,18.23,21.71,6.84,3.24,20.21,7.98,17. 82,3.03,0.11,0.17,0.07,0.23,0.24,0.03,0.08
Italy_Lombardy,21.50,22.45,6.34,2.73,20.71,6.38,16 .91,2.27,0.11,0.21,0.08,0.06,0.16,0.07,0.00
Italy_Marche,15.34,17.26,5.97,2.22,19.56,11.73,22. 54,4.32,0.21,0.10,0.00,0.37,0.10,0.27,0.07
Italy_Tuscany,17.25,20.05,6.52,2.79,20.41,9.07,19. 20,3.54,0.57,0.25,0.02,0.06,0.14,0.08,0.02
Italy_Veneto,21.07,21.37,8.50,5.45,18.65,7.15,14.6 9,2.42,0.14,0.18,0.05,0.08,0.15,0.09,0.00
Italian_Jewish,8.10,12.62,2.23,1.13,17.84,12.08,33 .85,8.25,0.07,0.65,0.21,0.08,0.75,2.14,0.01
Sicily_Palermo,9.2,14.08,4.66,1.91,18.3,14.52,28.6 4,5.94,0.23,0.22,0.05,0.12,0.24,1.16,0.73
Sicily_Ragusa,11.12,12.93,4.73,2.63,17.95,13.97,27 .54,6.07,0.21,0.04,0.37,0.07,0.17,1.19,1.02
Sicily_Syracuse,11,15.57,4.67,2.10,18.30,13.89,27. 23,4.66,0.16,0.31,0.18,0,0.23,0.95,0.75
Sicily_Enna,7.39,16.93,4.77,1.83,18.16,12.71,29.27 ,6.38,0.3,0.15,0.02,0,0.39,1.10,0.59
Sicily_Caltanisetta,9.17,14.82,4.89,1.43,18.03,14. 07,28.22,6.64,0.12,0.12,0.15,0.08,0.37,1.51,0.38
Sicily_Trapani,11.70,14.05,4.75,1.88,18.94,13.03,2 7.77,5.58,0.30,0.25,0.09,0.03,0.11,1.09,0.39
Sicily_Messina,8.21,12.78,4.16,1.84,18.56,14.77,30 .57,6.29,0.14,0.15,0.11,0.05,0.30,1.39,0.28
Sicily_Catania,8.42,14.04,4.03,1.89,18.05,14.97,30 .16,5.57,0.26,0.26,0.03,0.15,0.23,1.42,0.49
Sicily_Agrigento,9.18,13.12,5.12,1.76,18.22,13.22, 30.11,5.65,0.81,0.04,0.15,0.24,0.21,1.32,0.85
Japanese,0.06,0.05,0.06,0.11,0.06,0.07,0.08,0.07,0 .78,66.69,28.55,1.82,0.95,0.30,0.35
Jordanian,1.68,1.98,1.55,1.91,5.74,12.16,51.35,13. 85,1.42,0.54,0.46,0.12,0.3,4.54,2.4
Kabardin,5.55,6.25,7.36,8.61,2.96,46.11,11.08,1.66 ,2.91,1.7,4.77,0.6,0.1,0,0.34
Kalash,5.71,1.38,2.72,14.53,0.04,33.74,2.38,0.06,3 6.92,0.07,0.52,1.49,0.11,0.07,0.25
Kanjar,1.51,2.51,2.44,6.06,0.26,11.47,0.63,0.17,70 .46,1.57,0.69,0.67,0.91,0.40,0.25
Kargopol_Russian,18.59,13.89,25.58,26.79,2.93,2.39 ,0.74,0.11,1.71,0.36,4.92,1.39,0.17,0.24,0.18
Karitiana,0.01,0.00,0.01,0.01,0.00,0.01,0.00,0.00, 0.03,0.20,0.17,99.55,0.01,0.00,0.00
Kazakh,7.77,2.66,5.04,10.54,0.88,10,2.34,0.34,3.77 ,19.94,35.2,2.14,0.16,0,0.06
Karakalpak,5.72,4.0,4.75,10.64,1.32,12.39,3.37,0.9 2,5.04,19.65,29.45,1.72,0.64,0.14,0.18
Ket,2.39,0.71,2.28,23.59,0.00,0.33,0.00,0.00,3.21, 3.81,56.02,7.36,0.30,0.00,0.00
Kol,3.17,1.19,1.32,3.70,1.58,8.82,0.92,0.23,74.04, 1.89,1.00,0.97,0.59,0.37,0.21
Koryak,0.15,0.07,0.18,4.37,0.00,0.06,0.00,0.01,0.9 3,11.27,65.59,17.10,0.22,0.02,0.03
Kosovo_Albanian,12.9577777778,17.17,12.5977777778, 5.7488888889,16.2822222222,12.4444444444,19.543333 3333,2.4611111111,0.2788888889,0.1011111111,0.1266 666667,0.1477777778,0.1333333333,0,0
Kshatriya,3.02,2.65,2.66,7.85,0.34,16.40,1.36,0.21 ,61.61,0.60,0.94,1.20,0.59,0.31,0.27
Kumyk,8.63,5.88,4.52,11.73,1.29,44.23,12.43,0.73,3 .13,1.36,4.85,0.73,0.24,0.2,0.05
Kurd,4.15,1.47,0.55,7.07,1.72,38.5,34.1,3.68,6.92, 0.18,0.57,0.43,0.16,0.18,0.34
Kurdish_Jew,1.31,0.63,0.02,2.92,6.98,27.83,45.09,1 0.52,3.66,0.32,0.1,0.05,0.2,0.37,0
Kurumba,0.93,0.87,0.59,1.50,0.79,12.28,2.19,0.75,7 4.28,1.51,1.53,0.37,1.49,0.53,0.39
Lahu,0.11,0.25,0.13,0.24,0.17,0.10,0.16,0.14,3.75, 82.78,9.22,0.83,1.50,0.41,0.21
Latvian,20.7616666667,14.11,37.7383333333,23.96333 33333,1.7383333333,0.1883333333,0,0.2,0.1983333333 ,0.0033333333,0.275,0.4133333333,0.16,0.2133333333 ,0.0583333333
Lebanese_Christian,1.21,4.18,1.26,0.63,11.53,21.37 ,46.73,10.66,0.7,0.24,0,0.03,0.26,1.2,0
Lebanese_Druze,3.47,3.98,1.43,1.52,7.87,19.12,50.0 8,9.23,1.53,0.21,0.23,0.04,0.35,0.71,0.23
Lebanese_Muslim,2.43,5.62,2.09,1.22,9.76,22.26,39. 85,10.71,2.10,0.12,0.09,0.04,0.54,2.33,0.83
Lezgin,11.38,3.29,5.12,13.52,0,44.7,13.37,0.78,5.8 8,0.11,0.55,0.91,0.16,0.05,0.18
Libyan_Jewish,8.07,6.36,0.95,0.20,16.55,10.89,37.8 9,10.89,0.60,0.01,0.00,0.33,0.49,5.95,0.83
Lithuanian,20.15,15.72,36.36,21.18,2.50,1.63,0.61, 0.34,0.61,0.06,0.13,0.36,0.19,0.11,0.06
Luhya,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.09,0.08 ,0.10,0.05,0.03,0.17,23.69,75.58
Maasai,0.23,0.27,0.14,0.15,0.51,0.34,0.80,8.85,0.1 1,0.09,0.09,0.05,0.42,54.47,33.48
Macedonian,15.415,15.55,16.2835714286,10.425,13.62 5,9.8878571429,16.0614285714,2.0085714286,0.21,0.1 207142857,0.0114285714,0.1507142857,0.2257142857,0 .0028571429,0.0207142857
Macedonian_2,14.32,14.52,13.71,9.18,15.61,10.30,18 .71,2.88,0.09,0.17,0.05,0.18,0.26,0.02,0.00
Makrani,2.34,0.48,0.68,7.45,0.19,33.19,18.72,2.59, 30.01,0.00,0.05,0.26,0.24,1.11,2.69
Malay,0.32,0.46,0.57,0.48,0.18,0.29,0.22,0.14,16.2 2,74.13,0.54,0.60,5.10,0.38,0.37
Mandenka,0.15,0.23,0.16,0.20,0.28,0.14,0.29,0.77,0 .18,0.11,0.12,0.10,0.18,6.79,90.30
Mari,11.36,4.78,11.39,38.39,0.23,1.36,0.23,0.09,3. 86,0.80,23.79,2.83,0.28,0.10,0.51
Mayan,1.21,1.42,0.52,1.21,2.75,0.30,0.37,0.33,0.26 ,1.27,2.19,85.92,0.28,0.48,1.49
Mbuti_Pygmy,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.01,0.00,0.00,0.05,29.17,70.77
Miaozu,0.05,0.06,0.06,0.08,0.05,0.10,0.06,0.05,0.5 9,83.65,13.70,0.65,0.75,0.09,0.06
Moldavian,18.50,13.40,21.14,15.16,10.88,8.55,7.43, 1.48,1.10,0.24,0.56,0.56,0.61,0.08,0.31
Mongolian,2.39,1.13,0.96,5.69,1.14,4.39,1.53,0.65, 1.62,31.13,46.94,1.74,0.51,0.11,0.08
Montenegrin,18.2792857143,14.8542857143,15.4714285 714,11.035,13.74,9.6957142857,13.73,2.3828571429,0 .0457142857,0.0985714286,0.27,0.18,0.1514285714,0. 025,0.0407142857
Moroccan,2.23,9.50,0.52,0.43,24.21,0.21,22.46,17.4 7,0.04,0.41,0.04,0.03,0.16,13.79,8.49
Mozabite_Berber,1.20,11.89,0.42,0.20,23.64,0.24,22 .64,15.62,0.02,0.25,0.04,0.01,0.07,12.15,11.62
NAN_Melanesian,0.08,0.08,0.21,0.07,0.07,0.09,0.09, 0.12,5.74,22.48,1.00,0.29,68.94,0.34,0.40
Naxi,0.09,0.08,0.09,0.16,0.07,0.11,0.07,0.11,2.48, 70.74,24.27,0.36,0.98,0.18,0.21
Nogay,6.77,6.39,6.21,9.43,3.35,30.63,7.53,0.99,3.4 3,8.58,14.39,1.28,0.46,0.38,0.18
North_Amerindian,0.27,0.09,0.30,2.27,0.01,0.07,0.0 1,0.07,1.70,5.08,20.17,69.80,0.11,0.03,0.02
North_German,33.08,27.46,13.41,9.95,6.11,5.24,2.50 ,0.70,0.83,0.02,0.08,0.22,0.14,0.19,0.08
North_Kannadi,0.61,1.18,2.08,4.64,0.52,7.90,1.01,0 .30,75.14,2.13,1.52,0.63,1.45,0.43,0.46
North_Ossetian,5.32,6.18,8.13,5.15,2.33,51.03,11.0 4,1.57,2.31,1.63,4.18,0.72,0.19,0.14,0.08
North_Swedish,36.66,21.00,15.78,15.37,4.02,1.35,0. 68,0.34,0.69,0.55,2.21,0.64,0.62,0.07,0.03
Norwegian,39.73,23.47,13.26,11.48,6.36,2.24,0.80,0 .14,0.81,0.08,0.50,0.72,0.32,0.06,0.04
Norway,39.19,23.96,13.30,11.79,6.40,2.39,0.24,0.07 ,0.47,0.05,1.08,0.58,0.25,0.17,0.06
Orcadian,39.61,29.01,8.61,8.08,7.37,3.67,0.65,0.23 ,1.05,0.05,0.45,0.24,0.42,0.06,0.52
Oroqen,0.07,0.07,0.10,0.34,0.09,0.08,0.07,0.05,0.3 8,27.92,68.96,1.50,0.25,0.07,0.05
Ossetian,6.87,5.42,3.30,5.87,3.90,50.53,11.77,2.12 ,3.36,2.20,4.00,0.41,0.12,0.13,0.01
Palestinian,1.51,5.44,0.63,0.04,10.05,17.54,44.11, 15.91,0.85,0.62,0.12,0.06,0.08,3,0.04
Papuan,0.03,0.03,0.03,0.05,0.03,0.04,0.04,0.08,1.9 2,1.87,0.56,0.25,94.65,0.19,0.23
Pathan,4.68,1.09,3.02,11.66,0.25,27.89,6.04,0.46,4 1.29,0.25,1.44,1.50,0.10,0.09,0.25
Pennsylvania_Dutch,32.06,23.02,11.58,8.27,12.36,3. 01,8.04,0.34,0.45,0,0,0.15,0.44,0,0.27
Pima,0.71,0.31,0.48,1.47,0.26,0.24,0.24,0.15,0.72, 1.48,4.82,88.74,0.25,0.05,0.08
Piramalai,0.58,0.59,0.75,1.44,0.26,9.78,1.78,0.85, 78.68,1.40,0.60,0.66,1.68,0.67,0.28
Polish,21.75,18.55,28.01,19.90,5.58,2.87,1.44,0.67 ,0.34,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.05,0.30,0.24
Polish_Masuria,26.43,16.68,25.57,20.08,6.72,1.68,0 .33,0.68,0.74,0.04,0.22,0.19,0.19,0.20,0.24
Polish_Kielce,22.19,16.32,28.41,19.86,6.10,3.84,1. 17,0.65,0.82,0,0,0.21,0.19,0.20,0.02
Portuguese,21.61,26.61,5.71,3.71,21.63,2.65,10.21, 3.55,0.45,0.13,0.15,0.28,0.41,2.06,0.85
Punjabi_Jat,7.51,2.35,3.73,11.60,0.15,24.66,2.46,0 .50,45.44,0.07,0.20,0.85,0.16,0.10,0.23
Romanian,15.88,15.98,16.10,10.04,12.48,11.43,14.13 ,2.50,0.50,0.12,0.26,0.31,0.07,0.14,0.05
Romania_Ne,16.39,15.98,19.22,12.75,10.65,9.33,11.6 2,1.95,0.04,0.36,1.26,0.07,0.08,0.25,0.04
Romania_Nw,17.07,15.18,18.02,13.43,12.11,7.48,12.8 4,1.27,0.27,0.46,1.21,0.31,0.34,0.02,0.00
Romania_Se,17.84,12.38,15.14,11.64,15.21,7.88,14.2 2,2.06,1.27,0.21,1.00,0.64,0.29,0.23,0.00
Romania_South,16.57,13.97,16.17,8.97,13.72,11.44,1 5.14,2.36,0.15,0.55,0.25,0.54,0.16,0.00,0.05
Romania_Sw,16.69,14.59,17.91,8.98,13.57,9.89,14.00 ,2.04,0.58,0.00,1.08,0.29,0.40,0.00,0.00
RU_Pinega,20.512,13.654,25.518,23.846,3.358,1.502, 2.076,0.322,0.642,0.116,6.86,1.342,0.144,0.046,0
Russian_Smolensk,18.01,18.20,29.95,20.42,4.42,4.38 ,2.03,0.77,0.83,0.03,0.35,0.26,0.17,0.12,0.06
Sakilli,0.50,0.76,0.62,1.05,1.19,5.52,1.21,1.34,80 .24,3.25,0.45,0.18,2.29,0.77,0.63
Samaritan,0,5.29,0.66,0,12.08,16.67,46.12,15.8,0.1 9,0.15,0,0.02,0.17,2.85,0
San,0.01,0.02,0.01,0.01,0.01,0.03,0.01,0.01,0.05,0 .02,0.01,0.01,0.16,39.35,60.29
Sandawe,0.54,0.56,0.34,0.37,1.18,0.83,1.59,3.55,0. 37,0.28,0.12,0.09,0.44,51.87,37.87
Saqqaq,1.51,0.01,2.75,8.84,0.00,0.04,0.02,0.00,5.1 9,11.81,58.09,6.95,4.10,0.43,0.26
Sardinian,5.54,21.19,3.23,0.15,48.23,1.01,17.48,2. 56,0.00,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.32,0.20,0.05
Saudi,0.59,0.82,0.31,0.66,4.75,8.31,44.04,34.07,1. 42,0.21,0.11,0.10,0.17,4.14,0.31
Scottish,36.68,29.76,9.38,9.26,8.07,4.18,0.55,0.38 ,0.89,0.05,0.10,0.37,0.13,0.09,0.02
Selkup,1.95,0.79,1.77,28.17,0.00,0.69,0.01,0.00,1. 89,1.27,57.53,5.55,0.35,0.01,0.02
Sephardic_Jewish,5.29,14.02,2.36,1.42,16.21,13.51, 33.88,9.68,0.74,0.27,0.38,0.00,0.24,1.56,0.43
Serbian,18.84,17.28,15.16,12.76,11.74,8.44,12.18,2 .60,0.34,0.15,0.16,0.02,0.13,0.15,0.05
Serbian_Bosnia,18.2325,15.56,20.425,13.7875,11.847 5,6.7525,11.0875,1.385,0.17,0.2375,0.08,0.085,0.29 75,0.04,0.01
South_Serbian,17.53,16.17,15.54,11.30,13.19,10.26, 13.26,1.49,0.07,0.04,0.04,0.42,0.28,0.10,0.29
She,0.04,0.06,0.04,0.08,0.05,0.07,0.05,0.07,0.35,8 5.67,12.87,0.35,0.15,0.08,0.07
Shors,5.62,1.44,1.67,22.58,0.03,4.03,0.11,0.04,4.4 2,13.62,40.67,5.31,0.19,0.05,0.22
Sindhi,3.47,1.33,1.42,8.24,0.10,27.16,7.12,0.50,47 .96,0.10,0.38,1.10,0.25,0.33,0.53
Slovak,23.7769230769,15.9630769231,23.2923076923,1 5.5815384615,8.88,4.7307692308,4.6392307692,0.9423 076923,0.8,0.1653846154,0.1123076923,0.4746153846, 0.3623076923,0.1638461538,0.1207692308
Slovenian,21.1538461538,18.7069230769,21.223076923 1,13.2784615385,11.0692307692,6.0892307692,6.25846 15385,1.0584615385,0.3692307692,0.11,0.1292307692, 0.2646153846,0.1069230769,0.1407692308,0.041538461 5
Somali,0.10,0.16,0.06,0.04,1.95,0.12,7.86,22.22,0. 01,0.09,0.09,0.07,0.06,59.51,7.66
Sorb_Lusatia,23.95,18.87,25.55,17.18,6.36,3.47,3.2 2,0.27,0.60,0.18,0.01,0.20,0.08,0.01,0.05
South_Polish,21.68,16.99,27.00,18.00,6.75,4.82,2.7 2,0.62,0.66,0.13,0.20,0.10,0.12,0.12,0.09
Southwest_Finnish,29.33,21.56,20.50,17.93,3.52,1.0 0,0.45,0.18,0.48,0.14,3.66,1.01,0.18,0.04,0.03
Southwest_French,18.23,33.82,8.51,5.22,23.54,1.68, 6.12,1.97,0.21,0.04,0.21,0.38,0.02,0.05,0.00
Southwest_Russian,18.45,15.40,29.69,22.51,3.45,4.8 5,2.54,0.39,0.54,0.10,0.83,0.60,0.30,0.18,0.16
Spanish_Andalucia,15.69,31.45,5.58,2.99,23.21,3.99 ,11.30,2.49,0.48,0.18,0.46,0.04,0.31,1.32,0.52
Spanish_Aragon,18.12,35.04,5.17,2.95,23.35,2.00,8. 96,2.85,0.27,0.15,0.16,0.22,0.21,0.47,0.08
Spanish_Cantabria,19.95,32.02,5.93,4.22,23.95,2.17 ,6.59,2.68,0.31,0.04,0.07,0.26,0.30,0.91,0.61
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha,17.84,33.09,4.72,3.46,2 2.53,3.48,9.32,3.19,0.30,0.11,0.08,0.13,0.06,1.40, 0.28
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,20.52,29.84,7.19,2.38,20.8 2,2.77,9.35,3.61,0.16,0.24,0.07,0.16,0.13,1.92,0.8 4
Spanish_Cataluna,21.75,29.63,6.92,4.00,20.70,3.10, 9.73,1.88,0.48,0.36,0.06,0.03,0.29,0.56,0.50
Spanish_Extremadura,19.86,28.49,4.72,3.60,21.52,3. 09,10.75,4.67,0.39,0.01,0.01,0.36,0.10,1.48,0.95
Spanish_Galicia,23.22,24.88,6.54,3.91,21.78,2.42,8 .93,4.48,0.88,0.19,0.13,0.12,0.03,1.52,0.96
Spanish_Murcia,19.87,29.93,4.85,3.06,20.83,2.52,11 .69,3.13,0.27,0.61,0.39,0.50,0.12,1.57,0.67
Spanish_Valencia,17.55,32.77,6.17,3.66,21.94,2.78, 10.99,1.90,0.63,0.12,0.04,0.21,0.33,0.45,0.45
Sudanese,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .01,0.01,0.00,0.00,0.01,48.93,51.04
North_Swedish,37.45,23.37,14.64,13.68,6.12,1.22,0. 23,0.11,0.75,0.18,0.91,0.78,0.43,0.02,0.11
Aland_Sweden,32.07,22.77,18.94,17.59,4.27,0.00,0.0 3,0.00,1.25,0.04,1.91,0.78,0.34,0.00,0.00
Swedish,38.75,24.05,14.44,11.79,5.64,2.45,0.29,0.2 7,0.74,0.11,0.43,0.55,0.29,0.08,0.11
Swiss_German,29.02,24.29,11.25,7.06,13.51,5.61,7.4 0,1.10,0.15,0.01,0.10,0.21,0.17,0.07,0.04
Syrian,3.1,4.72,1.81,1.6,7.92,19.93,37.09,13.2,2.4 8,0.36,0.2,0.11,0.41,4.9,2.17
Szekely,19.26,18.825,17.27,9.745,9.47,8.32,10.435, 1.48,0.84,0.325,2.485,0.405,0.67,0.045,0.15
Tabassaran,14.14,3.79,3.82,14.95,0.04,43.12,10.94, 0.33,6.16,0.03,0.65,1.65,0.02,0.02,0.34
Tadjik,7.35,5.23,3.48,11.77,0.81,28.55,8.03,1.14,1 9.27,3.96,8.24,1.52,0.09,0.27,0.29
Tatar,14.44,10.70,16.22,22.17,2.71,9.60,1.41,0.73, 2.41,2.97,14.22,1.72,0.19,0.11,0.40
Tibeto-Burman_Burmese,0.34,0.34,0.45,0.47,0.47,0.44,0.35, 0.35,18.32,61.65,13.19,0.90,1.68,0.41,0.64
Tu,0.59,0.41,0.48,0.63,0.50,1.12,0.65,0.38,2.17,62 .77,27.82,1.22,0.65,0.28,0.33
Tujia,0.05,0.04,0.05,0.07,0.05,0.06,0.05,0.04,0.33 ,81.96,16.03,0.48,0.52,0.13,0.14
Tunisian,0.94,11.73,1.47,0.06,20.07,1.69,27.17,15. 05,0.00,0.17,0.29,0.00,0.34,10.52,10.48
Tunisian_Jewish,3.45,12.09,1.83,0.10,15.16,12.85,3 7.53,10.56,0.15,0.26,0.28,0.02,0.51,4.48,0.74
Turkish_Anatolia,3.25,7.28,2.98,4.13,7.79,29.40,28 .81,5.62,4.36,2.02,3.28,0.32,0.42,0.30,0.03
Turk_Meskhetian,3.24,2.65,2.33,3.73,6.59,47.19,27. 5,3.21,2.62,0.28,0.08,0.2,0.19,0.08,0.11
Turkish_Adana,5.23,5.24,2.81,4.6,8.1,26.29,29.68,7 .05,4.29,0.96,3.66,0.37,0.36,0.98,0.38
Turkish_Aydin,5.6,5.29,6.76,5.09,8.5,24.88,24.03,3 .96,1.75,3.9,7.99,0.98,0.44,0.69,0.14
Turkish_Balikesir,8.79,6.4,3.95,6.54,9.57,22.99,21 .7,3.09,3.63,3.29,8.46,0.33,0.56,0.3,0.4
Turkish_East,2.4,5.66,2.1,2.88,6.85,40.55,30.7,4.1 6,3.35,0.11,0.66,0.34,0.17,0.03,0.04
Turkish_Kayseri,2.9,5.08,2.72,5.82,8.97,29.8,29.53 ,4.91,3.8,1.84,3.36,0.5,0.29,0.34,0.14
Turkish_Trabzon,1.16,4.41,1.92,0.9,9.21,43.89,33.5 3,3.76,0.75,0.11,0.02,0.04,0.27,0,0.03
Turkmen,4.07,3.12,2.51,9.67,2.44,27.87,19.24,2.77, 13.66,5.30,7.47,1.11,0.03,0.49,0.25
Tuscan,14.30,20.09,6.44,2.92,19.82,10.04,20.77,4.7 5,0.26,0.01,0.08,0.01,0.22,0.21,0.08
Tuvinian,1.46,0.66,0.43,10.63,0.45,1.65,0.39,0.45, 1.59,23.93,54.94,2.44,0.69,0.09,0.20
Ukrainian_Kiev_Avg,18.79,15.55,29.64,19.30,6.20,4. 73,2.61,0.91,0.57,0.16,0.47,0.40,0.35,0.08,0.23
Ukrainian_Belgorod,17.90,15.05,29.66,22.16,3.76,6. 41,2.58,0.64,0.68,0.21,0.21,0.31,0.12,0.14,0.17
Ukrainian_Lviv,22.18,13.92,27.35,16.68,7.54,4.90,3 .14,1.44,0.97,0.25,0.54,0.54,0.45,0.04,0.05
Ukraine_East,18.08,13.38,31.97,22.31,6.69,2.68,1.1 0,0.14,1.86,0.29,0.40,0.42,0.36,0.20,0.12
Uttar_Pradesh,1.80,2.51,1.60,4.44,1.35,8.46,0.92,0 .81,72.24,2.53,1.25,0.68,0.91,0.28,0.22
Uygur,4.52,4.36,3.77,8.19,0.83,15.29,4.28,0.46,11. 15,24.16,19.70,2.41,0.42,0.26,0.20
Uzbeki,4.23,2.75,5.26,9.85,1.24,16.04,6.59,1.12,12 .70,15.83,22.23,1.47,0.17,0.30,0.20
Velamas,0.75,0.59,0.63,1.31,0.41,14.03,3.76,0.45,7 3.65,1.36,1.01,0.31,1.10,0.32,0.32
Vietnamese,0.21,0.08,0.22,0.28,0.11,0.16,0.14,0.16 ,4.39,87.54,4.92,0.32,1.12,0.20,0.15
Welsh,36.46,28.89,9.84,8.67,9.27,4.12,0.71,0.37,0. 60,0.06,0.14,0.32,0.22,0.2,0.08
West_German,34.00,21.84,10.46,8.06,11.13,5.00,6.33 ,1.02,0.73,0.11,0.18,0.35,0.36,0.31,0.12
West_Greenlander,2.10,0.95,2.56,10.50,0.08,0.25,0. 05,0.04,2.30,7.03,37.50,36.41,0.11,0.07,0.04
West_Norwegian,42.41,24.22,12.26,10.67,6.09,2.26,0 .63,0.08,0.13,0.23,0.40,0.57,0.03,0.00,0.00
West_Scottish,37.33,30.46,10.34,8.90,6.70,3.07,1.1 7,0.67,0.54,0.05,0.17,0.39,0.11,0.06,0.05
West_Sicilian,9.76,18.32,4.70,3.27,17.76,10.64,26. 75,5.37,0.57,0.19,0.08,0.01,0.52,1.33,0.72
Xibo,0.46,0.29,0.29,0.59,0.37,0.59,0.43,0.25,0.74, 56.12,37.91,1.07,0.46,0.26,0.17
Yakut,0.95,0.78,1.28,1.63,0.96,0.88,0.47,0.54,1.36 ,15.42,73.78,0.91,0.71,0.21,0.12
Yemenite_Jewish,0.27,1.05,0.16,0.11,4.40,5.41,54.1 2,27.46,0.48,0.06,0.10,0.08,0.18,6.11,0.01
Yizu,0.05,0.07,0.05,0.12,0.06,0.12,0.05,0.11,2.32, 71.53,22.87,0.76,1.55,0.16,0.18
Yoruban,0.04,0.07,0.06,0.05,0.07,0.10,0.09,0.39,0. 06,0.05,0.04,0.04,0.07,3.00,95.87
Gagauz,13.85,12.01,15.31,9.84,13.82,12.36,18.58,2. 86,0.29,0.13,0.19,0.24,0.47,0.04,0.00

Thanks Mr. G :thumb001:

[Gallop]

k15


Target: Gallop
Distance: 395.7908% / 3.95790821
65.4 French_Southwest
10.2 Sardinian
8.2 Ossetian
7.0 Welsh
6.2 Orcadian
1.8 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
1.2 Somali


Target: Father
Distance: 87.1626% / 0.87162614
27.2 French_Basque
15.8 Southwest_French
15.6 Spanish_Aragon
13.2 West_Norwegian
12.0 Sardinian
4.8 French_Southwest
3.2 Yoruban
2.8 Aland_Sweden
2.8 Yemenite_Jewish
1.4 Mari
1.2 Saudi


Más quisieras!

[Jased]

Catalans are pure Castilians.

[Gebachs]

Si usted lo dice pues habrá que creerle jeje

Usted obtiene el Reino de Septimania en sus resultados? ... Rinda pelitesía a su Señor!

Volviendo al tema:

Sevilla donde la lluvia es pura maravilla,, ahora que lo dice nunca he visto unas coordenadas de Sevilla, como me gustaría sacar 0.000 con Sevilla.

Publish your results, here it is very common for users to publish their results.

I don't have my data and neither yours, but using the public averages this happens:
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I used Spanish_Pirineu as a proxy for Andorra.

[Gallop]

I don't have my data and neither yours, but using the public averages this happens:
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I used Spanish_Pirineu as a proxy for Andorra.

You have results in Illustrativedna, these are mine, as I told you I know who I am without the need of tests, but well you have to show it too, as you can see I am fundamental in your regional story and really as events are happening it is not something we would have foreseen or wished for.
Back to your little G25 you are Spaniard, we usually get those distances. I'm really exhausted, I don't know why people out there think they can sneak in Andalusia with their strange results.

Father
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQvvSqMketAmOSx4TfzQBi9FtdFO4qAkjQyzKCo_2Hvo kvIG7SKyIdOrZpAXnbQykctLI8lLL7ZL0Ez822IsqmYelVnDle nfoNGvVHqEh9ugwnYumOz8PvTn61bMs9jaxx_f5TFX8MsDW2yh YwMmaJVdrPNpIy0qjWz_z_6eT1SS8v3HTPJlD_5JOb/s660/Illustrativedna2022ModernPOP.jpeg

It is possible that the Occitania result for my father overlapped with one of these results, Galician, Catalan and you did not see it.
Mine
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtVL1soPOWSoFUXGvo9sZbQrrkspMaJ7gq9tMQZV6GE2 CeeH6NZnb8EB3w9kWkn4mXS0Q8c085ahje_DqkFdtNtaG3YPOz 97k0q-oux-s2RbXau7XSupuhYgqCuVp2mtmMD129Y1U-pGARjWkNjZfVvwAKbSCIQI83ikd2eOZnCtP4CATF1SlmeG5Y/s675/Illustrativedna2022Modern.jpeg

[Sebbo]

I have the Dodecad K12b too in case anyone needs it.

Do you know the reason why Vahaduo has been dismantled? That's a big loss.

Please can you post a pastebin or similar link to the updated Dodecad K12b ? Thanks very much !

[Leto]

Please can you post a pastebin or similar link to the updated Dodecad K12b ? Thanks very much !
Here
https://pastebin.com/pD1vFFRF

[Gebachs]

You have results in Illustrativedna, these are mine, as I told you I know who I am without the need of tests, but well you have to show it too, as you can see I am fundamental in your regional story and really as events are happening it is not something we would have foreseen or wished for.
Back to your little G25 you are Spaniard, we usually get those distances. I'm really exhausted, I don't know why people out there think they can sneak in Andalusia with their strange results.

Father
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQvvSqMketAmOSx4TfzQBi9FtdFO4qAkjQyzKCo_2Hvo kvIG7SKyIdOrZpAXnbQykctLI8lLL7ZL0Ez822IsqmYelVnDle nfoNGvVHqEh9ugwnYumOz8PvTn61bMs9jaxx_f5TFX8MsDW2yh YwMmaJVdrPNpIy0qjWz_z_6eT1SS8v3HTPJlD_5JOb/s660/Illustrativedna2022ModernPOP.jpeg

It is possible that the Occitania result for my father overlapped with one of these results, Galician, Catalan and you did not see it.
Mine
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtVL1soPOWSoFUXGvo9sZbQrrkspMaJ7gq9tMQZV6GE2 CeeH6NZnb8EB3w9kWkn4mXS0Q8c085ahje_DqkFdtNtaG3YPOz 97k0q-oux-s2RbXau7XSupuhYgqCuVp2mtmMD129Y1U-pGARjWkNjZfVvwAKbSCIQI83ikd2eOZnCtP4CATF1SlmeG5Y/s675/Illustrativedna2022Modern.jpeg

You misunderstood my point. I don't mean I'm not close to Andalusians because Andalusians have any specific particularity but because, as I previously explained, modern state borders don't work as genetic barriers so Catalans in general are closer to those populations also closer geographically.

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Saying that I am Spaniard is like saying that Benedict Cumberbatch is Unitedkingdomer, a total absurdity, because multiethnic recently created states don't form a single ethnicity. I guess for you I am Spanish while another Catalan from Perpinyà is French.


Btw how do I make pictures appear in the post?

[Leto]

Saying that I am Spaniard is like saying that Benedict Cumberbatch is Unitedkingdomer, a total absurdity, because multiethnic recently created states don't form a single ethnicity.

I've got news for you - there is a word for that, it is British. By your logic no one is Indian, Swiss or Brazilian either.

[Gallop]

You misunderstood my point. I don't mean I'm not close to Andalusians because Andalusians have any specific particularity but because, as I previously explained, modern state borders don't work as genetic barriers so Catalans in general are closer to those populations also closer geographically.

113365

Saying that I am Spaniard is like saying that Benedict Cumberbatch is Unitedkingdomer, a total absurdity, because multiethnic recently created states don't form a single ethnicity. I guess for you I am Spanish while another Catalan from Perpinyà is French.


Btw how do I make pictures appear in the post?

insertar imagen(4º recuadro después de la bola del mundo)>desde URL>recuperar achivo remoto y referencia localmente (ese pequeño recuadro lo anula) y envía.
También está la opción para su computadora.

Ya conozco su opinión sobre el tema, pero ha de pensar que el resto de personas debemos llevar un orden, coherencia, sentido común dentro de la legalidad y todos los países del mundo lo reconocen a usted como español, también a mí claro jeje.

Que tenga buena tarde ya iré viendo sus resultados, más que nada porque es que aquí no hay a penas españoles completos para contrastar, los hay que charlan lo que no está en los escritos, pero no publican y aunque tenemos mucho adn de la península ibérica por los iberoamericanos hay cosas que no se pueden ver si no es con españoles completos como comprenderá cualquiera.

[Gebachs]

I've got news for you - there is a word for that, it is British. By your logic no one is Indian, Swiss or Brazilian either.

But Benedict Cumberbatch is not British but English, because if an Englishman, a Scots and an Irish from Northern Ireland are all British but then an Irishman from the Republic of Ireland is something different than the guy from NI, then being British means nothing. And I've got more news: John Boyega is British.
No, Indian, Swiss and Brazilian are not ethnicities but memes formed by several peoples/races. Shouldn't you know this already considering what kind of forum The Apricity is? I'm shocked the level is so low.

[Defcon2]

I don't have my data and neither yours, but using the public averages this happens:
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I used Spanish_Pirineu as a proxy for Andorra.

The genetic distances (Euclidean distances) do not reflect the real genetic similarity because the algorithm penalizes the presence of North African, you will see that in some they will be closer to Andalucia and in others Occitania, some examples with catalans averages:

Distance to: Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01849102 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02743073 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Spanish_Pirineu
0.01930699 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02671869 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02010054 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02351970 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Spanish_Penedes
0.02026941 French_Occitanie
0.02341469 Spanish_Andalucia

Distance to: Spanish_Lleida
0.02125046 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02276454 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Spanish_Girona
0.02225923 French_Occitanie
0.02343123 Spanish_Andalucia

Distance to: Spanish_Cataluna
0.01844617 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02611893 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01934617 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02350745 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Spanish_Barcelones
0.02083723 French_Occitanie
0.02247935 Spanish_Andalucia

In fact you would be closer to the Andalusians in any case because of this.

[Leto]

But Benedict Cumberbatch is not British but English, because if an Englishman, a Scots and an Irish from Northern Ireland are all British but then an Irishman from the Republic of Ireland is something different than the guy from NI, then being British means nothing. And I've got more news: John Boyega is British.
No, Indian, Swiss and Brazilian are not ethnicities but memes formed by several peoples/races. Shouldn't you know this already considering what kind of forum The Apricity is? I'm shocked the level is so low.
Do you know the difference between ethnicity and nationality? British is a nationality. So is Spanish. Duh. But I think the former is generally more inclusive than the latter. Spanish means native to Spain, not just a document. You are probably pro-Catalan independence which I don't give a rat's ass about since it's not my country. But saying Spanish means nothing is just wrong. Spain is a centuries old country with her own language, culture, history and identity. It's not a post-colonial banana republic with arbitrarily drawn borders.

[Defcon2]

Do you know the difference between ethnicity and nationality? British is a nationality. So is Spanish. Duh. But I think the former is generally more inclusive than the latter. Spanish means native to Spain, not just a document. You are probably pro-Catalan independence which I don't give a rat's ass about since it's not my country. But saying Spanish means nothing is just wrong. Spain is a centuries old country with her own language, culture, history and identity. It's not a post-colonial banana republic with arbitrarily drawn borders.

He's just a troll with an account created in April, he's not Catalan.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

But Benedict Cumberbatch is not British but English, because if an Englishman, a Scots and an Irish from Northern Ireland are all British but then an Irishman from the Republic of Ireland is something different than the guy from NI, then being British means nothing. And I've got more news: John Boyega is British.

Northern Ireland is split between two ethnicities: the Irish and the Scots-Irish (Ulster Scots). One is native Irish and the other are descendants of Scots (and to a much lesser degree English from the borderlands) who settled in Northern Ireland centuries ago. No one thinks of the native Irish living in Northern Ireland as British.

[Gebachs]

Do you know the difference between ethnicity and nationality? British is a nationality. So is Spanish. Duh. But I think the former is generally more inclusive than the latter. Spanish means native to Spain, not just a document. You are probably pro-Catalan independence which I don't give a rat's ass about since it's not my country. But saying Spanish means nothing is just wrong. Spain is a centuries old country with her own language, culture, history and identity. It's not a post-colonial banana republic with arbitrarily drawn borders.

Of course I know the difference. Do you know that in the modern day world of multiethnic states and mass migration makes no sense to talk about nationality as if that defined the idiosyncrasy of its population? At least in a forum like this I did not expect people defending this:
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Spanish means nothing because a Castilian, a Basque, a Catalan and a Galician are all Spanish though all have different identities, languages, names and surnames and cultures. Specially if you also defend that Catalans and Basques living a bit further north radically change and become French. There is no specific Spanish anything. Imagine if Spain is a meme that a good chunk of its population still have not accepted it. Catalonia, instead, is a millenary nation.

[Gebachs]

insertar imagen(4º recuadro después de la bola del mundo)>desde URL>recuperar achivo remoto y referencia localmente (ese pequeño recuadro lo anula) y envía.
También está la opción para su computadora.

Ya conozco su opinión sobre el tema, pero ha de pensar que el resto de personas debemos llevar un orden, coherencia, sentido común dentro de la legalidad y todos los países del mundo lo reconocen a usted como español, también a mí claro jeje.

Que tenga buena tarde ya iré viendo sus resultados, más que nada porque es que aquí no hay a penas españoles completos para contrastar, los hay que charlan lo que no está en los escritos, pero no publican y aunque tenemos mucho adn de la península ibérica por los iberoamericanos hay cosas que no se pueden ver si no es con españoles completos como comprenderá cualquiera.

Thanks. Let me ask you a question: do you agree that recent immigrants who acquired Spanish nationality are Spanish too?



Northern Ireland is split between two ethnicities: the Irish and the Scots-Irish (Ulster Scots). One is native Irish and the other are descendants of Scots (and to a much lesser degree English from the borderlands) who settled in Northern Ireland centuries ago. No one thinks of the native Irish living in Northern Ireland as British.

Right. But I guess the Irish in NI are officially British although they will vehemently deny it of course. Same with me and being Spanish. And if so many different people can be British/Spanish, then it becomes a baseless meme.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Right. But I guess the Irish in NI are officially British although they will vehemently deny it of course.

As I already said, no one thinks of the native Irish as British.


Same with me and being Spanish. And if so many different people can be British/Spanish, then it becomes a baseless meme.

Throughout history, Catalans were referred to as Spanish ('the Spains'). No one pretends Bretons aren't French. No one pretends Tuscans aren't Italian.

This "I'm not Spanish. I'm Catalan." is a new phenomenon that only began when the Spanish economy imploded in 2008.

[Sebbo]

THANKS! :DDDD

[Gallop]

Thanks. Let me ask you a question: do you agree that recent immigrants who acquired Spanish nationality are Spanish too?


It does not matter whether I agree or not, politicians do what they want, evidently for me they will never be Spaniards; although legally they are and that will not be relevant because politicians will legislate according to interests alien to the opinion of the population.

[Flashball]

The only difference between Catalans and other people in Spain are the less non-european thing among them (2,6% in think? according the last study), maybe a little bit more indo-european.

The only difference between Basque and non-basque from Spain : less indo-european, more WHG, zero (or close to) non-european.

Italy is a recent creation, Tuscans are not very "estrucan-like", genetically speaking, they have a good percentage of est-mediterraneans.
And yes, Bretons are Bretons because they have a "special" genetic profil, even if you have some micro-cluster, some Bretons are more "french-like".

Genetic, genetic, genetic, genetic, etc.

[Gebachs]

As I already said, no one thinks of the native Irish as British.

Well it doesn't really matter if you say none thinks of the native Irish as British since if they're citizens of the UK then technically they're British. Anyway the point was that the British identity comprises several different ethnicities so being British is devoid of any meaning. No wonder, then, that recent immigrants are much more likely to call themselves British rather than English, Scottish or Welsh.


Throughout history, Catalans were referred to as Spanish ('the Spains'). No one pretends Bretons aren't French. No one pretends Tuscans aren't Italian.


This "I'm not Spanish. I'm Catalan." is a new phenomenon that only began when the Spanish economy imploded in 2008.

LOL what a pile of BS. The Spanish identity is very recent. Politically it was born in the constitution of 1812 although the general population adopted it much later and in some parts, like Catalonia, none has adopted it yet. Very few in the generation of my great-grandparents considered themselves Spanish, not even in deep Castile.
As for Catalonia, we have been Catalans for a millennia. Saying that we switched from being Spanish to Catalan in 2008 is such an ignorant statement that I'm starting to doubt if I'm talking to a primitive form of AI.

[Gebachs]

It does not matter whether I agree or not, politicians do what they want, evidently for me they will never be Spaniards; although legally they are and that will not be relevant because politicians will legislate according to interests alien to the opinion of the population.

I know, but if you stand for order, coherence and legality, then you must agree that they are Spaniards. If you say they are not, then I can't be either. You must be precise about what an Spaniard is and who gets grouped into it because if you decide it randomly it implies being Spanish is a meme.



The only difference between Catalans and other people in Spain are the less non-european thing among them (2,6% in think? according the last study), maybe a little bit more indo-european.

The only difference between Basque and non-basque from Spain : less indo-european, more WHG, zero (or close to) non-european.

Italy is a recent creation, Tuscans are not very "estrucan-like", genetically speaking, they have a good percentage of est-mediterraneans.
And yes, Bretons are Bretons because they have a "special" genetic profil, even if you have some micro-cluster, some Bretons are more "french-like".

Genetic, genetic, genetic, genetic, etc.

You can say the same about every country and every population. The difference about NE French and SW Germans is a bit more Indo-European among the later. Well in fact Germans are native to France so being French is a meme.

[Gallop]

In the end this thread was about pro-independence publicity :zzz

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Well it doesn't really matter if you say none thinks of the native Irish as British since if they're citizens of the UK then technically they're British.

It does matter and that's why you feel the need to say it doesn't matter. That they're British citizens doesn't make them part of the British meta-ethnicity. You can't accept being part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity because you think it undermines your Catalan nationalist beliefs (which it doesn't but you're stupid) and this is why you keep rambling about the British as an example.



Anyway the point was that the British identity comprises several different ethnicities so being British is devoid of any meaning. No wonder, then, that recent immigrants are much more likely to call themselves British rather than English, Scottish or Welsh.

British as a meta-ethnicity. I would like to see you tell an Ulster-Scot that being British has no meaning. Let me know how well that goes.




LOL what a pile of BS. The Spanish identity is very recent. Politically it was born in the constitution of 1812 although the general population adopted it much later and in some parts, like Catalonia, none has adopted it yet. Very few in the generation of my great-grandparents considered themselves Spanish, not even in deep Castile.

This is your Catalan nationalist fantasy. People historically have referred to Castilians, Catalans, Basque, etc. as Spanish. It's not an identity that sprung up out of nowhere. You're simply ignorant of medieval Spanish history.


As for Catalonia, we have been Catalans for a millennia. Saying that we switched from being Spanish to Catalan in 2008 is such an ignorant statement that I'm starting to doubt if I'm talking to a primitive form of AI.

You're either dishonest or stupid: I did not say there was a switch "from being Spanish to Catalan" in 2008. You ignore my example of Bretons and Tuscans and I understand why since you have no argument.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

The only difference between Catalans and other people in Spain are the less non-european thing among them (2,6% in think? according the last study), maybe a little bit more indo-european.

The only difference between Basque and non-basque from Spain : less indo-european, more WHG, zero (or close to) non-european.

Italy is a recent creation, Tuscans are not very "estrucan-like", genetically speaking, they have a good percentage of est-mediterraneans.
And yes, Bretons are Bretons because they have a "special" genetic profil, even if you have some micro-cluster, some Bretons are more "french-like".

Genetic, genetic, genetic, genetic, etc.

That is just internet race forum autism. Normal people don't think this way. No one says a Breton isn't French and even before the union of Italy people referred to Tuscans, Lombards, etc. as Italian.

[Leto]

That is just internet race forum autism. Normal people don't think this way. No one says a Breton isn't French and even before the union of Italy people referred to Tuscans, Lombards, etc. as Italian.
That guy is a lunatic who thinks one cannot be truly French unless he is able to trace his ancestors back to Louis Whatever-the-fuck.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

In the end this thread was about pro-independence publicity :zzz

Personally, I'm fine with Catalunya being independent (as well as Scotland, etc.) but I don't like bullshit. You rarely ever heard of Catalan nationalism until after the economic implosion in Spain. It's a phenomenon that revolves around 'I don't want to pay Madrid taxes.' I think that is a perfectly fine reason for independence. My argument is supported by this article.


This divide was flagged up by a survey of 1,500 potential Catalan voters: secession is only popular among those describing themselves as “comfortably off”. Among those “with a lot of difficulties” making ends meets, only a third were in favor of breaking away from Spain.
https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/29/inenglish/1506691641_240457.html

Those that aren't as well off (don't pay much or any in taxes) are afraid that separation from Spain would cause economic difficulty. There is the question of whether an independent Catalunya will be accepted by the EU, for example.

Everything comes down to economics. This 'muh ethnicity!' is what you find in people in their teens and early 20s. Older people are thinking about their financial well-being.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

As I said, it's a new phenomenon.


Until recently, only a small minority of Catalan public opinion and parties favoured independence from Spain. But this is no longer the case: Today, a highly active social movement, as well as a majority of Catalan MPs, support an independence referendum.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/10/can-immigrants-affect-catalonian-aspirations

[Gebachs]

It does matter and that's why you feel the need to say it doesn't matter. That they're British citizens doesn't make them part of the British meta-ethnicity. You can't accept being part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity because you think it undermines your Catalan nationalist beliefs (which it doesn't but you're stupid) and this is why you keep rambling about the British as an example.

Doesn't matter what you say because they're British since they're natives of the United Kingdom, this is a fact and not up to discussion.
You can't defend at the same time that the Irish of NI are not part of the British meta-ethnicity but Catalans of southern Catalonia are part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity. You exclude the Irish in NI to group them with the Irish of the Republic of Ireland, forgetting that there is a place called northern Catalonia which is part of France, and puts us Catalans living in Spain in the same position of the Irish in NI, though you defend the opposite for us. Quit your illogical bullshit.


British as a meta-ethnicity. I would like to see you tell an Ulster-Scot that being British has no meaning. Let me know how well that goes.

This British "meta-ethnicity" is a meme, just as much as the Spanish meta-ethnicity. You should define what implies being British and Spanish, but you can't do that without pulling tons of fallacies. Spoiler: it is because British and Spanish are recent inventions with no basis.


This is your Catalan nationalist fantasy. People historically have referred to Castilians, Catalans, Basque, etc. as Spanish. It's not an identity that sprung up out of nowhere. You're simply ignorant of medieval Spanish history.

Says the kekistani from West Virginia. Tip: try reading at least a couple of articles from the Wikipedia, you will still be clueless but it's better than talking your ass out.


You're either dishonest or stupid: I did not say there was a switch "from being Spanish to Catalan" in 2008. You ignore my example of Bretons and Tuscans and I understand why since you have no argument.

You're defining yourself with those words because every word you type is a declaration of ignorance. It may come as a surprise to you since you're retarded but most Catalans were born before 2008 and most of us were already Catalan and not Spanish. I mean are you trying to convince my own person that I considered myself Spanish prior 2008 and then only Catalan? Like WTF. How are you a functioning person? I guess your theory for Companys declaring independence in 1934 is that we invented a time machine in 2009 and went back in time to convince him that he was not Spanish and Catalan anymore but solely Catalan.
As for Bretons and Tuscans, the people who considers them French and Italian are the same who considers Jamal and Florin French and Italian. Anyone with minimal knowledge realises that these are meme countries created recently and that if for example a Breton, a German and a Basque are all French, then everyone and none is French.

I can't lose more time explaining stuff that everyone able to connect two neurons can think for themselves. Refrain for trying to talk back with more illogical bullshit.

[Gebachs]

In the end this thread was about pro-independence publicity :zzz

In the end any mention of Catalans makes the Spanish go mad because it reminds them that their identity is a meme. Notice who derailed the thread.



Personally, I'm fine with Catalunya being independent (as well as Scotland, etc.) but I don't like bullshit. You rarely ever heard of Catalan nationalism until after the economic implosion in Spain. It's a phenomenon that revolves around 'I don't want to pay Madrid taxes.' I think that is a perfectly fine reason for independence. My argument is supported by this article.



Those that aren't as well off (don't pay much or any in taxes) are afraid that separation from Spain would cause economic difficulty. There is the question of whether an independent Catalunya will be accepted by the EU, for example.

Everything comes down to economics. This 'muh ethnicity!' is what you find in people in their teens and early 20s. Older people are thinking about their financial well-being.

If everything came down to economics then other rich regions, rich cities like, rich neighbourhoods and rich individuals everywhere in Spain would be independentists too right? Not only in Catalonia but also in Madrid, Cantabria, Albacete or any rich thing in the world. Instead you have poor Catalans being hardcore independentists. The fact that you can't get to this conclusion by yourself proves that you're retarded and not worth discussing with anymore.


As I said, it's a new phenomenon.

I will believe the guy from West Virginia who have read an online article instead of myself, Catalan, living all my live in Catalonia and who has a much deeply knowledge about his country's history and culture. :picard2:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Doesn't matter what you say because they're British since they're natives of the United Kingdom, this is a fact and not up to discussion.

This is what you said:


Well it doesn't really matter if you say none thinks of the native Irish as British since if they're citizens of the UK then technically they're British.

Does citizenship make you part of a meta-ethnicity?



You can't defend at the same time that the Irish of NI are not part of the British meta-ethnicity but Catalans of southern Catalonia are part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity. You exclude the Irish in NI to group them with the Irish of the Republic of Ireland, forgetting that there is a place called northern Catalonia which is part of France, and puts us Catalans living in Spain in the same position of the Irish in NI, though you defend the opposite for us. Quit your illogical bullshit.

There is no northern Catalonia. That's your imagination.




This British "meta-ethnicity" is a meme, just as much as the Spanish meta-ethnicity. You should define what implies being British and Spanish, but you can't do that without pulling tons of fallacies. Spoiler: it is because British and Spanish are recent inventions with no basis.

Claiming fallacies before someone says anything and stating something is a meme doesn't make it so. You need an argument and you haven't provided one. Your method of arguing is simply to repeat yourself.

What is Spanish: the historical connections that bind modern-day Spaniards going back to ancient times. If you haven't noticed the peninsula was referred to as Hispania. The Portuguese aren't Spaniards because they have their own modern independent history, unlike Catalans.




Says the kekistani from West Virginia. Tip: try reading at least a couple of articles from the Wikipedia, you will still be clueless but it's better than talking your ass out.

What I say is factual. You being upset about what I say is not an argument.



You're defining yourself with those words because every word you type is a declaration of ignorance. It may come as a surprise to you since you're retarded but most Catalans were born before 2008 and most of us were already Catalan and not Spanish. I mean are you trying to convince my own person that I considered myself Spanish prior 2008 and then only Catalan? Like WTF. How are you a functioning person? I guess your theory for Companys declaring independence in 1934 is that we invented a time machine in 2009 and went back in time to convince him that he was not Spanish and Catalan anymore but solely Catalan.

You're repeating your strawman argument. I never claimed that Catalans only thought of themselves as Spanish prior to 2008. You claimed that for me. What I am saying - and this was clear to everyone else - is that this belief that they're Catalans and not also Spaniards is a new phenomenon.



As for Bretons and Tuscans, the people who considers them French and Italian are the same who considers Jamal and Florin French and Italian.

So the people living in Europe in the past centuries thought exactly like some fools today who think an African living in France is ethnically French? I think not. Dante was referred to as a Florentine and also an Italian despite there being no nation called Italy at the time.


Anyone with minimal knowledge realises that these are meme countries created recently and that if for example a Breton, a German and a Basque are all French, then everyone and none is French.

Take it up with our dead ancestors and the historians who refer back to their documents.



I can't lose more time explaining stuff that everyone able to connect two neurons can think for themselves. Refrain for trying to talk back with more illogical bullshit.

Use your valuable time to learn about the Dunning-Kruger effect but based on our conversation that may be too difficult for you to grasp.

[Leto]

I will believe the guy from West Virginia who have read an online article instead of myself, Catalan, living all my live in Catalonia and who has a much deeply knowledge about his country's history and culture. :picard2:
Colonel is a Galician Spanish immigrant to the U.S.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

In the end any mention of Catalans makes the Spanish go mad because it reminds them that their identity is a meme. Notice who derailed the thread.

You keep repeating the word 'meme' like it has some power. I can already tell you're just a kid.




If everything came down to economics then other rich regions, rich cities like, rich neighbourhoods and rich individuals everywhere in Spain would be independentists too right? Not only in Catalonia but also in Madrid, Cantabria, Albacete or any rich thing in the world.

You said you didn't want to waste more time and yet here you are responding again?

Catalunya pays more into the Spanish coffers than the rest of Spain. Did you understand that? They feel like they're being robbed by the Spanish state through taxes (which they are). No one talked about Catalan independence prior to 2008 except some fringe people that had no relevance.


Instead you have poor Catalans being hardcore independentists. The fact that you can't get to this conclusion by yourself proves that you're retarded and not worth discussing with anymore.

Even your own source you posted reveals poor Catalans are split.


I will believe the guy from West Virginia who have read an online article instead of myself, Catalan, living all my live in Catalonia and who has a much deeply knowledge about his country's history and culture. :picard2:

You forget you're an emotionally immature Catalan with a low IQ. The guy from West Virginia (lolz...) is better informed. You're biased and clearly stupid.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Colonel is a Galician Spanish immigrant to the U.S.

I'm not an immigrant. I was born and raised here... in West Virginia...

And thank God for that: Spaniards (including Catalans are the most annoying people).

[Leto]

I'm not an immigrant. I was born and raised here... in West Virginia...

And thank God for that: Spaniards (including Catalans are the most annoying people).
But you are included into the same category as the illegals from the Southern border. Kinda sucks being Spanish in America because Spanish last names are often associated with non-white faces.

[Gebachs]

Colonel is a Galician Spanish immigrant to the U.S.

Then it makes perfect sense why he is mentally retarded and his obsession with making Catalans Spaniards in denial. Unironically this newly discovered bias makes him less legitimate to discuss this issue than a West Virginian.

[Leto]

Then it makes perfect sense why he is mentally retarded and his obsession with making Catalans Spaniards in denial. Unironically this newly discovered bias makes him less legitimate to discuss this issue than a West Virginian.
You seem to be big on ethnonationalism. But to my knowledge Catalan independence supporters (just as Scottish independence supporters) are nationalists in name only. They basically welcome anyone who supports their cause and boast about their anti-racism. So it's not about blood or actual ethnicity, much more like a political stance.

I'm partially from Belarus and we have a very similar type of fuckery. A bunch of Russian-speaking Slavs saying fuck Russia, we wanna be part of the EU and the rainbow coaltion. No wonder Soros and similar types are behind all those movements.

[Gebachs]

You seem to be big on ethnonationalism. But to my knowledge Catalan independence supporters (just as Scottish independence supporters) are nationalists in name only. They basically welcome anyone who supports their cause and boast about their anti-racism. So it's not about blood or actual ethnicity, much more like a political stance.

Scots are split about independence but in Catalonia virtually all ethnic Catalans are independentists, which in practice means that you have people ranging from the far left to the far right like any normal society/country. Of course there is people who thinks all immigrants should come and of course there is people who thinks that Catalonia should be an independent country only for Catalans and purged of foreigners. Trying to understand a national self-determination movement as a left-right conflict is a mistake. Also you have unionists in Catalonia ranging from the far left to the far right, and also they're not united by ideology but their ethnic origins.

[Leto]

Scots are split about independence but in Catalonia virtually all ethnic Catalans are independentists, which in practice means that you have people ranging from the far left to the far right like any normal society/country. Of course there is people who thinks all immigrants should come and of course there is people who thinks that Catalonia should be an independent country only for Catalans and purged of foreigners. Trying to understand a national self-determination movement as a left-right conflict is a mistake. Also you have unionists in Catalonia ranging from the far left to the far right, and also they're not united by ideology but their ethnic origins.
And what is the percentage of those ethnic Catalans? What about the Spanish speaking residents? Mixed marriages, people of mixed Spanish background? I'm sure there are many because there are no cultural barriers between the two groups. Same race, religion, culture, etc.

[Andullero]

Scots are split about independence but in Catalonia virtually all ethnic Catalans are independentists, which in practice means that you have people ranging from the far left to the far right like any normal society/country. Of course there is people who thinks all immigrants should come and of course there is people who thinks that Catalonia should be an independent country only for Catalans and purged of foreigners. Trying to understand a national self-determination movement as a left-right conflict is a mistake. Also you have unionists in Catalonia ranging from the far left to the far right, and also they're not united by ideology but their ethnic origins.

Yeah, but Leto is right on what he says. When I was there, I could notice that anti-immigrant sentiment was more pronounced in Castilla (and ironically, immigrant less Galicia) than it was in Catalonia. I imagine that the Basque country isn't that much different from the latter given the ubiquitous nature of lefty politics there.

[Leto]

Yeah, but Leto is right on what he says. When I was there, anti-immigrant sentiment was more pronounced in Castilla (and ironically, immigrant less Galicia) than it was in Catalonia. I imagine that the Basque country isn't that much different from the latter given the ubiquitous nature of lefty politics there.
Ethnic nationalism is always demonized as racism and biggotry. So if you see more favorable coverage of a supposedly nationalist movement or country, there must be some kind of nuance to it, to put it mildly.
I don't wanna discuss other people's countries, so I'll stop here.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

But you are included into the same category as the illegals from the Southern border. Kinda sucks being Spanish in America because Spanish last names are often associated with non-white faces.

I've never had an issue.

The Latino situation isn't the same as the Black situation. Latinos are much more accepted now than when I was a kid.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Then it makes perfect sense why he is mentally retarded and his obsession with making Catalans Spaniards in denial. Unironically this newly discovered bias makes him less legitimate to discuss this issue than a West Virginian.

Catalans are Spaniards. That is the historical reality. You can rage all you want. History doesn't change for you.

[Leto]

I've never had an issue.

The Latino situation isn't the same as the Black situation. Latinos are much more accepted now than when I was a kid.
Well, the best young American patriot is now called Nick Fuentes. Not John Smith :)

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You seem to be big on ethnonationalism. But to my knowledge Catalan independence supporters (just as Scottish independence supporters) are nationalists in name only. They basically welcome anyone who supports their cause and boast about their anti-racism. So it's not about blood or actual ethnicity, much more like a political stance.

Exactly. The goofball is rambling about 'muh ethnicity' but Catalan separatists will accept anyone and are actively trying to convince immigrants to support their movement.

I posted a list of articles discussing such here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?361470-Bucha-quot-massacre-quot-Russia-denies-allegation-calls-it-fake-news&p=7476628&viewfull=1#post7476628

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Exactly. The goofball is rambling about 'muh ethnicity' but Catalan separatists will accept anyone and are actively trying to convince immigrants to support their movement.

I posted a list of articles discussing such here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?361470-Bucha-quot-massacre-quot-Russia-denies-allegation-calls-it-fake-news&p=7476628&viewfull=1#post7476628

I'll post it here because it amuses me to do so and put in bold the juiciest parts.


Who supports Catalan independence, and is there a way forward?
Secessionism also correlates strongly with pro-immigration attitudes, and is majoritarian among those who disagree or strongly disagree with the statement ‘With so much immigration, one doesn’t feel like at home anymore’.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/12/18/who-supports-catalan-independence-and-is-there-a-way-forward/



Amic o enemic? Immigration and the Catalan Struggle for Independence

From the Catalan perspective, the region has long been constructed as a land of welcome where positive attitudes toward immigration are present (Conversi,2000). For example, Rodon and Franco-Guillén (2014)found that Catalan identity is related to less negative attitudes toward immigrants. In addition, Wilson-Daily, Kemmel-meier, and Prats (2018), found that identifying as Catalan was linked to a greater appreciation of diversity. Furthermore, Wilson-Daily et al. (2018) argue that these views of immigration may be reflective of wider support for the nationalist cause by attempting to include, or at least not reject, immigration and diversity.



In addition, scholars have noted that support for the secessionist movement in Catalonia correlates strongly with pro-immigration attitudes, where the right to decide on the region’s future is as an inclusive broad-2 S. Byrne based (transversal) civic rather than ethnic movement (Cetrà, 2019; Pardos-Prado, 2019;Woolard, 2016).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340411253_Amic_o_enemic_Immigration_and_the_Catala n_Struggle_for_Independence


Campaigners are even encouraging migrants without the right to vote to ask work mates and friends to vote for independence and are advocating Catalan nationality for all migrants living in the region if it leaves Spain.

“All those who are officially registered as living in Catalonia will have the right to Catalan nationality from day one of independence,” said Uruguayan Ana Surra, Spanish member of parliament for Catalan pro-independence party ERC.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-catalonia-immigration/catalans-woo-immigrants-in-quest-to-split-from-spain-idUSKBN19711U


An Uruguayan at the head of a pro-independence party. That's ever so juicy.


With such a close scenario, in an open vote, every group will be important. Among them, the immigrant communities. The law passed by the Catalan Parliament to regulate the referendum is significantly more open to immigrant participation than the Spanish rules for regular elections. Non-national residents would be granted the right to vote if they have been residing in Catalonia for over a year if they come from another EU country, and three years if they are from non-EU countries.


Recently, the Spanish Minister of the Interior, a well-known member of the Catholic group Opus Dei, accused a pro-independence group called “Nous Catalans” (New Catalans) of promising “paradise on earth” to the more than half-a-million Muslims living in Catalonia in exchange for their support. The group responded by accusing the minister of racism and claimed that their campaign activities were fully public and democratic.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/10/10/can-immigrants-affect-catalonian-aspirations

[Purple Panther]

Well, the best young American patriot is now called Nick Fuentes. Not John Smith :)

He's a bit smarmy, but I despise his cancellation by hysterical leftists. I'm almost convinced that Nick teleported here from a talk show in the early '60s because he looks like a yearbook photo of a Zoomer groyper's grandpa.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You seem to be big on ethnonationalism. But to my knowledge Catalan independence supporters (just as Scottish independence supporters) are nationalists in name only. They basically welcome anyone who supports their cause and boast about their anti-racism. So it's not about blood or actual ethnicity, much more like a political stance.

I'm partially from Belarus and we have a very similar type of fuckery. A bunch of Russian-speaking Slavs saying fuck Russia, we wanna be part of the EU and the rainbow coaltion. No wonder Soros and similar types are behind all those movements.

Check out these Catalan Nationalists.

Dolors Bassa


Dolors Bassa urges us to recognize ourselves as a diverse society and to fight against inequalities during the presentation of the Report on the Integration of Immigrants
The document analyzes the degree of incorporation of the population of foreign origin, as well as sectoral public policies.
https://govern-cat.translate.goog/salapremsa/notes-premsa/293132/dolors-bassa-insta-reconeixer-nos-societat-diversa-lluitar-contra-desigualtats-durant-presentacio-informe-sobre-integracio-persones-immigrades?_x_tr_sl=ca&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Jordi Cuixart


He has always defended migration as a structural reality and a source of social enrichment for Catalonia.
https://www.omnium.cat/en/campaigns/jordi-cuixart/

Carme Forcadell


The president of the Catalan National Assembly (ANC), Carme Forcadell , has promised "papers" for "all" immigrants in the event that Catalonia becomes independent .

"We will all be citizens of the Catalan Republic on the same day, therefore, there will be no paper problems there," he said this Saturday at a political event organized by the ANC and immigrant entities in Martorell (Barcelona), according to various media.
https://cronicaglobal-elespanol-com.translate.goog/politica/anc-promete-inmigrantes-con-la-independencia-papeles_18732_102.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

I stopped right here because it's late. I was looking at people who were charged with sedition. Those were three of the first four names on the list (I couldn't find any statement by Borras quick enough and so I moved on)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Catalonia_independence_leaders

"But.. but... it doesn't make any sense!! Why would Catalan Nationalist leaders be supportive of browning Catalunya?! Why don't they think like I do? Muh ethnicity!!! I'll just ignore what they say and do. I prefer my fantasy world." - Gebachs


"We will achieve independence thanks to people who were not born in Catalonia" Forcadell has predicted that "we will achieve independence thanks to many people who were not born in Catalonia , but who also see the Catalan state as an opportunity."

https://cronicaglobal-elespanol-com.translate.goog/politica/anc-promete-inmigrantes-con-la-independencia-papeles_18732_102.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

"No!!!!! But muh ethnicity?!!!" -Memebachs

[Defcon2]

Spoiler: it is because British and Spanish are recent inventions with no basis.

How are you a functioning person? I guess your theory for Companys declaring independence in 1934 is that we invented a time machine in 2009 and went back in time to convince him that he was not Spanish and Catalan anymore but solely Catalan.

The Catalans are a thousand-year-old nation and they did not try to become independent until 1934?

Here is a recent invention with no basis: existing for millennia and not making its existence effective until a few thousand years have passed.The best of all is that they could not finally become independent, the meme-nation.

[Cristiano viejo]

Damn, another charnego with probable andalusian origins claiming they are not spaniards, juas.

[Gebachs]

And what is the percentage of those ethnic Catalans? What about the Spanish speaking residents? Mixed marriages, people of mixed Spanish background? I'm sure there are many because there are no cultural barriers between the two groups. Same race, religion, culture, etc.

Hard to say but my guess based on living here all my life and several stats is that 25% of the population is fully Catalan, another 20% partly Catalan and the remaining fully foreigners, with 1/3-40% coming from Spain. Catalonia had a population of 2 million in 1900 but our fertility has been historically extremely low. If you add the 2 million Spanish colonists brought by Franco's dictatorship and another 1,5 millions recent immigrants brought by the state, you understand the disastrous situation we're in. Obviously drowning us in immigrants only benefits Spain and that's why they've have always done it (I should not have to explain how drowning the native population of anywhere in immigrants is a classic tactic for denying their agency), first with their own people and now that Spanish fishing grounds are dry they need to go a bit further. As for mixed marriages they're common but we are different people with different languages and culture, so the Spanish part in mixed marriages is usually acculturated.
https://images.english.elpais.com/resizer/Bme0cLzDExpQjgF14Cs9N8jz9KY=/1960x0/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/prisa/KSNJ7BIZ5V6PLAKYS3NCHGJMWM.jpg


Yeah, but Leto is right on what he says. When I was there, I could notice that anti-immigrant sentiment was more pronounced in Castilla (and ironically, immigrant less Galicia) than it was in Catalonia. I imagine that the Basque country isn't that much different from the latter given the ubiquitous nature of lefty politics there.

I'll say more. Most of the people you were surrounded with when you were here were in fact immigrants. If it depended on Spanish immigrants, they would bring their whole regions of origin with them.


Ethnic nationalism is always demonized as racism and biggotry. So if you see more favorable coverage of a supposedly nationalist movement or country, there must be some kind of nuance to it, to put it mildly.
I don't wanna discuss other people's countries, so I'll stop here.

This "Catalan nationalists want to import 100 million brown immigrants" thingy Spanish users say is just propaganda dedicated to certain circles on the internet such as this one. In real life the propaganda is that we're nazis, ultranationalists, racists, fascists... and their favourite word: nazionalistas. I kid you not that all the lies coming from Russia about Ukraine and Ukrainians is exactly the same stuff the Spanish say about us. Of course those are lies to demonize us but it is surprising that while in the MSM of Spain as well as social media and even the Parliament (both the Spanish and European) we're painted as nazis, the Spanish users here pretend we're exactly the opposite.

[Gebachs]

Catalans are Spaniards. That is the historical reality. You can rage all you want. History doesn't change for you.

What about the Catalans in this place? Are they Spaniards too because of historical reality?
https://scgeo.iec.cat/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/S92291a.jpg
Are Berbers also Spaniards since the native people of Ceuta and Melilla are historically part of Spain? Yeah I guess in this case you'll say they are not.
Thing is if you can't define what implies being Spaniard then it is a made up meme.


The Catalans are a thousand-year-old nation and they did not try to become independent until 1934?

Here is a recent invention with no basis: existing for millennia and not making its existence effective until a few thousand years have passed.The best of all is that they could not finally become independent, the meme-nation.

First, you can't be that stupid to think that we would declare our independence when we were already independent. Catalonia is a millennia old, Spain and Catalonia as a region of it, is much more recent.
Second, if you want an older example you have the declaration of independence in 1641 by Pau Claris, during Reapers' War.
Third, if Catalonia was a meme-nation you would not be living here because Catalonia would be like any other third-worldish Spanish region with no opportunities. Ask yourself why you have not emigrated to Andalucía or Cantabria and instead came here. Spoiler: because Catalonia is not Spain.


Damn, another charnego with probable andalusian origins claiming they are not spaniards, juas.

The favourite insult of the Spanish towards Catalans: saying that we're Spanish. Spain is the only country in the world where its demonym is used as an insult towards its own citizens. Being Spanish is such garbage that the way you degrade me is inventing that I am the same as yourself, your equal. And now proceed to say you're very proud of being Spanish.

[Gebachs]

Mods please can you clean this thread of garbage? It is hard to talk about Catalans without the massive inferiority complex of Spaniards forcing them to sperg out about how we're exactly the same as them, but I'm afraid you will have to work extra hard on threads where Catalans/Catalonia are mentioned.

[gixajo]

Mods please can you clean this thread of garbage? It is hard to talk about Catalans without the massive inferiority complex of Spaniards forcing them to sperg out about how we're exactly the same as them, but I'm afraid you will have to work extra hard on threads where Catalans/Catalonia are mentioned.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2OwAUFFdno&ab_channel=ElMundo

[gixajo]

Lo siento Gebachs, todo eso pasó, a nadie le importa vuestra "independencia", 40 años de propaganda para nada.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtsQzmM-kuY&ab_channel=XavierRius


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtsiFdzBMmw&ab_channel=LaVanguardia

[gixajo]

E independencia y chorradicas de esas aparte, puedes abrir tú mismo un proyecto en Gedmatch para ir recopilando números de kits de "catalans de la ceba".

Aunque ya te he comentado, que por muy de la ceba que sean, no dejan de estar genéticamente en la misma categoría que cualquier otro español.

[Juan Lacas]

Mods please can you clean this thread of garbage? It is hard to talk about Catalans without the massive inferiority complex of Spaniards forcing them to sperg out about how we're exactly the same as them, but I'm afraid you will have to work extra hard on threads where Catalans/Catalonia are mentioned.

Los del complejo de inferioridad son ustedes, que necesitan creerse la última cocacola en el desierto para poder igualar las gestas de Castilla y de León, con el Institut Nova Història (más bien Historieta) y ahora con la pendejada de que la Península Ibérica es superdiversa genéticamente cuando está demostrado todo lo contrario.

"...pues aquells de Catalunya que lo mellor regne d'Espanya...
"E pus aquells de la pus honrada terra d'Espanya" (refiriéndose a Cataluña)
Jaime I de Aragón, el tan ensalzado por los separatistas catalanes en Valencia sobre todo.

"...á fí de derramar gloriosament sa sanch i vida per son rey, per son honor, per la patria i per la llibertat de tota Espanya..."
Rafael Casanovas, el pobre ahora tiene que soportar que esa gentuza separatista le vitoree y lo "adorne" con trapos separatistas.

"Espanyols? I tant! Ho som més que els castellans."
Joan Maragall

... les conviene mantener vivo el conflicto, porque tienen mucho que mantener calladito...
Joan manuel Serrat sobre el conflicto separatista

La independencia no es solución de nada.
Xavier Sardà

No hay un problema entreCataluña y España sino dentro de Cataluña. Es Cataluña la que está dividida.
Rosa María Sardà

[Gebachs]

Lo siento Gebachs, todo eso pasó, a nadie le importa vuestra "independencia", 40 años de propaganda para nada.

El problema es que el pasotismo español es directamente proporcional a lo obsesionados que os tiene el tema. Cuanto menos os importa, con más mierda off-topic salís para descarriar el hilo. Ojalá de verdad no os importara y así no tendría a un muerto de hambre gallego en el estado más muerto de hambre de USA soltando chorradas que no vienen a cuento, entre otros.


E independencia y chorradicas de esas aparte, puedes abrir tú mismo un proyecto en Gedmatch para ir recopilando números de kits de "catalans de la ceba".

Aunque ya te he comentado, que por muy de la ceba que sean, no dejan de estar genéticamente en la misma categoría que cualquier otro español.

Sí, o puedo empezar pidiendo resultados de tests por aquí sin que vengáis a molestar. En el fondo todos sabemos que si fuésemos españoles no haríais esto. Te imaginas tener que repetir una y otra vez a los asturianos o a los murcianos que son españoles? Yo tampoco.

[Gebachs]

Los del complejo de inferioridad son ustedes, que necesitan creerse la última cocacola en el desierto para poder igualar las gestas de Castilla y de León, con el Institut Nova Història (más bien Historieta) y ahora con la pendejada de que la Península Ibérica es superdiversa genéticamente cuando está demostrado todo lo contrario.

"...pues aquells de Catalunya que lo mellor regne d'Espanya...
"E pus aquells de la pus honrada terra d'Espanya" (refiriéndose a Cataluña)
Jaime I de Aragón, el tan ensalzado por los separatistas catalanes en Valencia sobre todo.

"...á fí de derramar gloriosament sa sanch i vida per son rey, per son honor, per la patria i per la llibertat de tota Espanya..."
Rafael Casanovas, el pobre ahora tiene que soportar que esa gentuza separatista le vitoree y lo "adorne" con trapos separatistas.

"Espanyols? I tant! Ho som més que els castellans."
Joan Maragall

... les conviene mantener vivo el conflicto, porque tienen mucho que mantener calladito...
Joan manuel Serrat sobre el conflicto separatista

La independencia no es solución de nada.
Xavier Sardà

No hay un problema entreCataluña y España sino dentro de Cataluña. Es Cataluña la que está dividida.
Rosa María Sardà

Qué gestas? Que eres un muerto de hambre que vive en USA porque todo lo que toca Castilla se convierte en una mierda tercermundista? Es muy de acomplejado esto de interpretar el hecho de que alguien quiera ir por libre como una ofensa hacia uno mismo. Es la misma mentalidad que la del hombre maltratador.
Y es graciosísimo que te valgan las palabras aisladas de unas pocas personas (además confundes la traducción de Hispania entendida como la Península Ibérica con la España actual) pero no lo que millones de catalanes te decimos ahora.

[gixajo]

El problema es que el pasotismo español es directamente proporcional a lo obsesionados que os tiene el tema. Cuanto menos os importa, con más mierda off-topic salís para descarriar el hilo. Ojalá de verdad no os importara y así no tendría a un muerto de hambre gallego en el estado más muerto de hambre de USA soltando chorradas que no vienen a cuento, entre otros.



Sí, o puedo empezar pidiendo resultados de tests por aquí sin que vengáis a molestar. En el fondo todos sabemos que si fuésemos españoles no haríais esto. Te imaginas tener que repetir una y otra vez a los asturianos o a los murcianos que son españoles? Yo tampoco.

Yo no estoy absolutamente nada obsesionado con el tema, es un tema por el que no tengo ningún interés.

Si quieres recolectar kits de "catalans de la ceba" abre un proyecto de Gedmatch, seguro que muchos catalanes "puros" se apuntan entusiasmados. Es gratis.

Es un viaje absurdo tío, históricamente todas las "nacionalidades" que supuestamente ha habido en España, han acabado aceptando su españolidad. Os pasáis la vida dando vueltas en círculo para acabar en el mismo punto, y mientras perdéis el tiempo (y el dinero) en chorradas identitarias , hacéis que el conjunto pierda fuerza y nos pasemos los siglos peleándonos entre nosotros. Sin contar con que encima sóis tontos útiles para cualquier país extranjero que quiera desestabilizarnos en cada momento.

Somos solo distintos porque os esforzáis en serlo, pero la realidad es que somos parte de la misma categoría. Con variaciones, cierto, pero en un mismo intervalo que nos hace ser un grupo. ¿Porqué? Porque tenemos más cosas en común que nos unen que las que nos separan.

Los más peculiares serían los vascos, y aún siendo "especiales" siguen entrando dentro de la misma categoría, de hecho, curiosamente son el cimiento de lo que se consideraría "ibérico autóctono".

Suerte en tu viaje circular por la realidad, vete a saber, yo podría estar equivocado y tú tener razón.

Pero trata de ser sincero contigo mismo y no exageres diferencias creadas artificialmente ni hagas como que no ves lo que tenemos en común. Si es que eres capaz de hacerlo.

¿Qué he hecho yo para molestarte, por cierto?

[Juan Lacas]

Qué gestas? Que eres un muerto de hambre que vive en USA porque todo lo que toca Castilla se convierte en una mierda tercermundista?

Típico de acomplejado separatista: tratar de atacar con la posición económica.

Mira pendejo no me gusta alardear, pero probablemente te meo en la cara en lo que a plata se refiere. Y si no fuera así, en todo caso de hambre no adolezco precisamente.

En cuanto a eso de que "todo lo que toca Castilla se convierte en una mierda tercermundista", a la vista está que no. A ustedes les tocaron con los aranceles al lino y les vino a visitar Dios con ello, si no hubiera sido por toditos los favores económicos que el gobierno español les concedió en los últimos 200 años, ustedes serían la mierda.


Es muy de acomplejado esto de interpretar el hecho de que alguien quiera ir por libre como una ofensa hacia uno mismo.

Tú y tus amiguitos separatistas pueden ir por libre todo lo que quieran; se compran una isla desierta y vayan ustedes por libre, a ver qué tal les va sin los millones que el gobierno les regala. Allá no les va a servir de nada el cuentito de "Espanya ens roba".


Es la misma mentalidad que la del hombre maltratador.

Y la mentalidad de ustedes es la de mujer tóxica manipuladora.


Y es graciosísimo que te valgan las palabras aisladas de unas pocas personas

No son solo unas `pocas personas, algunos de ellos son figuras históricas ilustres que además ustedes tratan de manipular, y su opinión representa la de la mayoría de los catalanes.


(además confundes la traducción de Hispania entendida como la Península Ibérica con la España actual)

No manipules como hacen tus amigos del Institut Nova Història, Jaime I y Rafael Casanova hablan de España (España), no Hispania, y ya sabemos todos que España tal y como es hoy en aquel entonces no era una realidad material, pero sí era un ideal al que se aspiró desde los inicios de la Reconquista y bajo el que actuaron las monarquías ibéricas, mal que te `pese. Lo queen verdad no existió entonces (ni nunca, salvo los poco más de 150 años que mediaron desde la independencia de la Marca Hispánica hasta la unión con Aragón) fue un reino o estado catalán independiente.


pero no lo que millones de catalanes te decimos ahora.

Es que lo que esos millones de catalanes me dicen (que ni siquiera son mayoría) es una soberana bobada que ni siquiera lo dicen sin informarse antes de qué es realmente Cataluña y qué España, hablan manipulados por su casta política. Que por cierto muy chistoso eso de que "la mayoría de los catalanes étnicos están a favor de la independencia", cuando las frases que puse de catalanes son precisamente de catalanes étnicos; por otra parte no veo yo muy catalanes étnicos a Gabriel Rufián, David Fernández, Josep Lluís Trapero o Antonio Baños, que por cierto se la machaca mirando chinitas haciendo pupú (https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/4614871/0/antonio-banos-cup-comete-descuido-descubierto-gustos-sexuales/), hay que ser bien pendejo santísimo carajo :lmao

[Juan Lacas]

Yo no estoy absolutamente nada obsesionado con el tema, es un tema por el que no tengo ningún interés.

Si quieres recolectar kits de "catalans de la ceba" abre un proyecto de Gedmatch, seguro que muchos catalanes "puros" se apuntan entusiasmados. Es gratis.

Es un viaje absurdo tío, históricamente todas las "nacionalidades" que supuestamente ha habido en España, han acabado aceptando su españolidad.

Es que no se trata de aceptar o no, se es o no se es español. En este caso Cataluña está dentro de la Península, mantiene lazos con el resto de territorios españoles desde hace siglos, comparte con ellos una raíz cultural y lingüística romance... ¿en qué no son españoles?


¿Qué he hecho yo para molestarte, por cierto?

Decirle la verdad. Esta gente vive muy cómoda en su mundo paralelo y odian que se les muestre la verdad.

[Gebachs]

Yo no estoy absolutamente nada obsesionado con el tema, es un tema por el que no tengo ningún interés.

Si quieres recolectar kits de "catalans de la ceba" abre un proyecto de Gedmatch, seguro que muchos catalanes "puros" se apuntan entusiasmados. Es gratis.

Es un viaje absurdo tío, históricamente todas las "nacionalidades" que supuestamente ha habido en España, han acabado aceptando su españolidad. Os pasáis la vida dando vueltas en círculo para acabar en el mismo punto, y mientras perdéis el tiempo (y el dinero) en chorradas identitarias , hacéis que el conjunto pierda fuerza y nos pasemos los siglos peleándonos entre nosotros. Sin contar con que encima sóis tontos útiles para cualquier país extranjero que quiera desestabilizarnos en cada momento.

Somos solo distintos porque os esforzáis en serlo, pero la realidad es que somos parte de la misma categoría. Con variaciones, cierto, pero en un mismo intervalo que nos hace ser un grupo. ¿Porqué? Porque tenemos más cosas en común que nos unen que las que nos separan.

Los más peculiares serían los vascos, y aún siendo "especiales" siguen entrando dentro de la misma categoría, de hecho, curiosamente son el cimiento de lo que se consideraría "ibérico autóctono".

Suerte en tu viaje circular por la realidad, vete a saber, yo podría estar equivocado y tú tener razón.

Pero trata de ser sincero contigo mismo y no exageres diferencias creadas artificialmente ni hagas como que no ves lo que tenemos en común. Si es que eres capaz de hacerlo.

¿Qué he hecho yo para molestarte, por cierto?

Con el tema me refiero a Catalunya en general y la independencia en particular. El único que ha contribuido sin soltar una coletilla ha sido Ibericus. Revisa tus posts en este hilo y tú mismo te darás cuenta de que hay bastante troleo. Dudo mucho que hubieras actuado igual si el hilo no fuera sobre catalanes.
Por supuesto nos podríamos pasar todo el día con vosotros diciendo que los catalanes somos españoles y con los catalanes diciendo que no lo somos, pero es un poco absurdo no? La verdad es que me da hasta vergüenza ajena que alguien insista cuando le rechazan frontalmente. Sé sincero contigo mismo y te darás cuenta que si sentís la necesidad de forzarnos la españolidad es porque sois los primeros que sabéis que no somos como vosotros.

[Gebachs]

Típico de acomplejado separatista: tratar de atacar con la posición económica.

Mira pendejo no me gusta alardear, pero probablemente te meo en la cara en lo que a plata se refiere. Y si no fuera así, en todo caso de hambre no adolezco precisamente.

En cuanto a eso de que "todo lo que toca Castilla se convierte en una mierda tercermundista", a la vista está que no. A ustedes les tocaron con los aranceles al lino y les vino a visitar Dios con ello, si no hubiera sido por toditos los favores económicos que el gobierno español les concedió en los últimos 200 años, ustedes serían la mierda.



Tú y tus amiguitos separatistas pueden ir por libre todo lo que quieran; se compran una isla desierta y vayan ustedes por libre, a ver qué tal les va sin los millones que el gobierno les regala. Allá no les va a servir de nada el cuentito de "Espanya ens roba".



Y la mentalidad de ustedes es la de mujer tóxica manipuladora.



No son solo unas `pocas personas, algunos de ellos son figuras históricas ilustres que además ustedes tratan de manipular, y su opinión representa la de la mayoría de los catalanes.



No manipules como hacen tus amigos del Institut Nova Història, Jaime I y Rafael Casanova hablan de España (España), no Hispania, y ya sabemos todos que España tal y como es hoy en aquel entonces no era una realidad material, pero sí era un ideal al que se aspiró desde los inicios de la Reconquista y bajo el que actuaron las monarquías ibéricas, mal que te `pese. Lo queen verdad no existió entonces (ni nunca, salvo los poco más de 150 años que mediaron desde la independencia de la Marca Hispánica hasta la unión con Aragón) fue un reino o estado catalán independiente.



Es que lo que esos millones de catalanes me dicen (que ni siquiera son mayoría) es una soberana bobada que ni siquiera lo dicen sin informarse antes de qué es realmente Cataluña y qué España, hablan manipulados por su casta política. Que por cierto muy chistoso eso de que "la mayoría de los catalanes étnicos están a favor de la independencia", cuando las frases que puse de catalanes son precisamente de catalanes étnicos; por otra parte no veo yo muy catalanes étnicos a Gabriel Rufián, David Fernández, Josep Lluís Trapero o Antonio Baños, que por cierto se la machaca mirando chinitas haciendo pupú (https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/4614871/0/antonio-banos-cup-comete-descuido-descubierto-gustos-sexuales/), hay que ser bien pendejo santísimo carajo :lmao

Muy típico esto de sacar a pasear el complejo de inferioridad español yéndose por las ramas con varios temas off-topic.
Eres un muerto de hambre que prefiere vivir en USA en lugar de tu país tercermundista de raíz española. Normal, yo también lo preferiría. La cuestión es que alucinante que me fuerces a mi a sufrir lo que tú no quieres para ti. Te gusta mucho todo lo relacionado con España y estás muy orgulloso de ser español? Entonces haz las maletas, compra un vuelo con destino a España y te quedas a vivir ahí. Pero si por un lado dices una cosa pero por el otro haces lo contrario, solo consigues quedar como un mentiroso acomplejado.

Y por supuesto que no falten los clásicos de analfabeto made in Spain. Desde la chorrada de los aranceles (aranceles impuestos por los monarcas españoles y que afectaban a todo lo producido en sus dominios, no solo Catalunya, olvidando también como anteriormente Catalunya había sido una potencia comercial en el Mediterráneo), hasta que Catalunya nunca ha sido independiente (aunque Aragón es regalado al conde de Barcelona y este y sus descendientes gobiernan Catalunya y la Corona hasta 1410, y no es hasta 1714 que Catalunya pierde sus leyes e instituciones), pasando porque no somos mayoría independentista (falsamente cuentas los immigrantes españoles que viven aquí como catalanes).

Ya me explicarás como se come que un wetback al que los americanos tomarán African-American sienta la necesidad de mentir tanto para forzar a un pueblo que vive a miles de km a ser de una nacionalidad que ni son ni quieren ser.

[gixajo]

Con el tema me refiero a Catalunya en general y la independencia en particular. El único que ha contribuido sin soltar una coletilla ha sido Ibericus. Revisa tus posts en este hilo y tú mismo te darás cuenta de que hay bastante troleo. Dudo mucho que hubieras actuado igual si el hilo no fuera sobre catalanes.
Por supuesto nos podríamos pasar todo el día con vosotros diciendo que los catalanes somos españoles y con los catalanes diciendo que no lo somos, pero es un poco absurdo no? La verdad es que me da hasta vergüenza ajena que alguien insista cuando le rechazan frontalmente. Sé sincero contigo mismo y te darás cuenta que si sentís la necesidad de forzarnos la españolidad es porque sois los primeros que sabéis que no somos como vosotros.

Seré claro: no me interesa discutir de temas políticos con creyentes como tú, o como otros del bando contrario, es una pérdida de tiempo.

Ni quiero la españolidad rancia de "por mis cojones" ni nacionalismos divergentes privilegiados que escupen y lloriquean alternativamente porque no consiguen que otros vean lo especiales que son.

Si quieres información sobre chorradas de estas de Gedmatch y similares, te daré la que esté en mi mano darte, y con la poca o mucha profundidad que pueda darte.

Pero ahórrame las monsergas políticas, gracias.


Sé sincero contigo mismo y te darás cuenta que si sentís la necesidad de forzarnos la españolidad es porque sois los primeros que sabéis que no somos como vosotros.

Eso no constituye un argumento lógico.

Por cierto, yo soy español y vasco, no me vas a enseñar nada sobre estos temas. Dejémoslo de una vez.

[Defcon2]

First, you can't be that stupid to think that we would declare our independence when we were already independent. Catalonia is a millennia old, Spain and Catalonia as a region of it, is much more recent.
Second, if you want an older example you have the declaration of independence in 1641 by Pau Claris, during Reapers' War.
Third, if Catalonia was a meme-nation you would not be living here because Catalonia would be like any other third-worldish Spanish region with no opportunities. Ask yourself why you have not emigrated to Andalucía or Cantabria and instead came here. Spoiler: because Catalonia is not Spain.


You said that Spain as a nation was not formed until 1812, from what is Catalonia going to become independent if Spain did not exist at that time? do you like to contradict yourself?

We are an millennia nation that tried to become independent from a nation that did not exist, when that country was formed it had to take 100 years to try to become independent again but it failed, in 2017 we repeated move.

[gixajo]

Con el tema me refiero a Catalunya en general y la independencia en particular. El único que ha contribuido sin soltar una coletilla ha sido Ibericus. Revisa tus posts en este hilo y tú mismo te darás cuenta de que hay bastante troleo. Dudo mucho que hubieras actuado igual si el hilo no fuera sobre catalanes.
Por supuesto nos podríamos pasar todo el día con vosotros diciendo que los catalanes somos españoles y con los catalanes diciendo que no lo somos, pero es un poco absurdo no? La verdad es que me da hasta vergüenza ajena que alguien insista cuando le rechazan frontalmente. Sé sincero contigo mismo y te darás cuenta que si sentís la necesidad de forzarnos la españolidad es porque sois los primeros que sabéis que no somos como vosotros.

Seré claro: no me interesa discutir de temas políticos con creyentes como tú, o como otros del bando contrario, es una pérdida de tiempo.

Ni quiero la españolidad rancia de "por mis cojones" ni nacionalismos divergentes privilegiados que escupen y lloriquean alternativamente porque no consiguen que otros vean lo especiales que son.

Si quieres información sobre chorradas de estas de Gedmatch y similares, te daré la que esté en mi mano darte, y con la poca o mucha profundidad que pueda darte.

Pero ahórrame las monsergas políticas, gracias.


Sé sincero contigo mismo y te darás cuenta que si sentís la necesidad de forzarnos la españolidad es porque sois los primeros que sabéis que no somos como vosotros.

Eso no constituye un argumento lógico.

Por cierto, yo soy español y vasco, no me vas a enseñar nada sobre estos temas. Dejémoslo de una vez.

[Defcon2]

Seré claro: no me interesa discutir de temas políticos con creyentes como tú, o como otros del bando contrario, es una pérdida de tiempo.

Ni quiero la españolidad rancia de "por mis cojones" ni nacionalismos divergentes privilegiados que escupen y lloriquean alternativamente porque no consiguen que otros vean lo especiales que son.

Si quieres información sobre chorradas de estas de Gedmatch y similares, te daré la que esté en mi mano darte, y con la poca o mucha profundidad que pueda darte.

Pero ahórrame las monsergas políticas, gracias.



Eso no constituye un argumento lógico.

Por cierto, yo soy español y vasco, no me vas a enseñar nada sobre estos temas. Dejémoslo de una vez.

Deja de duplicar mensajes, mala persona!

[Juan Lacas]

Muy típico esto de sacar a pasear el complejo de inferioridad español yéndose por las ramas con varios temas off-topic.

Ese mismo complejo que tú tan bien reflejas. Y es que incluso en lo malo son ustedes españoles mal que le pese :lmao


Eres un muerto de hambre que prefiere vivir en USA en lugar de tu país tercermundista de raíz española. Normal, yo también lo preferiría.

Te repito que seguro te meo en la cara en lo que a posición económica se refiere. Por cierto mi país tercermundista de raíz española es tercermundista en parte por culpa de ustedes los catalanes. Por años ejercieron impunemente la esclavitud en Cuba, por años se negaron a que Cataluña tuviera autonomía, teniendo como consecuencia el levantamiento separatista en Cuba, y una vez que Cuba se independiza, se atreven ustedes a demandar todo aquello que negaban a Cuba, para después copiarnos hasta la bandera.

Por cierto que hoy día si hay una zona en España que se está convirtiendo a cada minuto más en tercermundista, esa es Cataluña, como consecuencia de usar los millones que España les regala en bobadas separatistas y por llenar Cataluña de africanos para que les voten. En lo económico ya les sobrepasa hasta Andalucía, esa comunidad poblada, según los separatistas catalanes, de haraganes, que tal y como se está viendo de haraganes no tienen nada.


La cuestión es que alucinante que me fuerces a mi a sufrir lo que tú no quieres para ti. Te gusta mucho todo lo relacionado con España y estás muy orgulloso de ser español? Entonces haz las maletas, compra un vuelo con destino a España y te quedas a vivir ahí. Pero si por un lado dices una cosa pero por el otro haces lo contrario, solo consigues quedar como un mentiroso acomplejado.

Lo alucinante es que ustedes traten de forzar a más de la mitad de la población catalana a tragar con sus ideas, que por si fuera poco se basan en mentiras.

Y no es que me guste todo lo relacionado con españa, es que soy español, nieto de canarios, hablo castellano, soy católico, mi sangre es española, todo mi mundo es de raíz hispánica, qué soy sino español? Y no tengo que hacer ninguna maleta, primero porque yo habitaré donde me venga en gana, y segundo porque vivo en Miami, ciudad hispana por excelencia, que como toda la Florida fue parte de España y eso se percibe por todo el estado. Que políticamente esto sea parte de los USA me importa poco y nada, vivo en un entorno hispano, soy hispano, no necesito más: soy español.


Y por supuesto que no falten los clásicos de analfabeto made in Spain. Desde la chorrada de los aranceles (aranceles impuestos por los monarcas españoles y que afectaban a todo lo producido en sus dominios, no solo Catalunya, olvidando también como anteriormente Catalunya había sido una potencia comercial en el Mediterráneo)

Partiendo de la base de que ustedes llaman "analfabeto made in Spain" a todo aquel que les refuta soberanamente, y siendo cierto eso que dices de esos aranceles fueron impuestos por la monarquía y que tanto para bien en unos casos como para mal en otros nos afectaron a todos los españoles, no es menos cierto que el gran despegue económico de Cataluña se produce a raíz de esos aranceles (https://www.abc.es/espana/20140210/abci-como-cataluna-volvio-rica-201402100444.html); simplemente es un hecho. No es que se deba a que ustedes son muy hacendosos y emprendedores y el resto de españoles unos vagos buenos para nada; simplemente a ustedes les beneficiaron más que al resto.

Y sí, efectivamente la Corona de Aragón, y con ella Cataluña, conoció un florecimiento comercial y militar en el Mediterráneo muy notorio, pero no te engañes papi, la Peste Negra hizo unos estragos terribles en toda la Corona que dejó muy tocada toda la estructura económica de la Corona de Aragón, la cual se agravó con la expulsión de los moriscos. Por no hablar de que ya en el siglo XIV Valencia supera a Barcelona como puerto comercial pujante de Aragón.


hasta que Catalunya nunca ha sido independiente (aunque Aragón es regalado al conde de Barcelona y este y sus descendientes gobiernan Catalunya y la Corona hasta 1410

Ese es uno de los tantos embustes que se enseñan en la escuela allá? Aragón no es regalado ni nada de eso, el conde de Barcelona se convierte en rey consorte de Aragón, nadie se lo regala


y no es hasta 1714 que Catalunya pierde sus leyes e instituciones

Tener leyes e instituciones propias no significa ser independiente, todos los reinos de la Monarquía Hispánica los tenían y no por ello eran estados independientes. De hecho todavía han llegado hasta nuestros días fueros e instituciones tradicionales, el caso más parecido es el de los vascos y navarros, pero no es el único, existen ejemplos en Aragón, Castilla, Asturias o Extremadura., y ninguno de estos territorios es un estado independiente.


pasando porque no somos mayoría independentista (falsamente cuentas los immigrantes españoles que viven aquí como catalanes).

Esos "inmigrantes españoles" se diferencian de ustedes solo en el idioma, y ni eso es una barrera porque el catalán es una lengua sumamente fácil para castellanohablantes y además los catalanes hablan todos castellano. Ustedes sin embargo cuentan a los inmigrantes de fuera de Europa como catalanes a favor de la independencia, que es mucho peor.


Ya me explicarás como se come que un wetback al que los americanos tomarán African-American

A mí me vale pinga qué los gringos me consideren, yo no soy como muchos trastornados acomplejados en este mismo foro que pretenden pasar como anglos norteamericanos cuando son más hispanos y mestizos que el que más. Acá gente como Cristiano Viejo me ha dicho que ni soy blanco ni soy español y me importa una mierda. Menos aún me importa lo que puedan decir los gringos y menos aún lo que me puedas tú decir.


sienta la necesidad de mentir tanto para forzar a un pueblo que vive a miles de km a ser de una nacionalidad que ni son ni quieren ser.

No has sido capaz de rebatir ninguna de mis sentencias, porque de mentira no tienen nada. Son ustedes los que mienten, y siento la necesidad de combatir esa mentira y tantas otras que dañen al mundo hispano, y lo hago por mucho que te duela.


Sé sincero contigo mismo y te darás cuenta que si sentís la necesidad de forzarnos la españolidad es porque sois los primeros que sabéis que no somos como vosotros.

Esto ya sí que es bien chistoso. Y no será más bien que gente como tú fuerza la no españolidad de Cataluña? Como tú dices, sé sincero contigo mismo y revisa todos aquellos aspectos que a tu juicio hace que los catalanes supuestamente no sean españoles.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

What about the Catalans in this place? Are they Spaniards too because of historical reality?
https://scgeo.iec.cat/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/S92291a.jpg

They're ethnic Catalans, which is an ethnicity that is part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity that happens to be living in France. The only reason why it's not part of Spain today is because of Catalan political incompetence (which, as almost always, was motivated by economics).


Are Berbers also Spaniards since the native people of Ceuta and Melilla are historically part of Spain? Yeah I guess in this case you'll say they are not.

Stop trying to speak for me. You consistently do that. It reveals your weakness. No, they're not Spanish. They're not part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity. Do I need to explain why? Read further.


Thing is if you can't define what implies being Spaniard then it is a made up meme.

A shared historical and geographical history stretching back centuries. This is why the kingdoms of Medieval Spain were referred to as 'the Spains.'




First, you can't be that stupid to think that we would declare our independence when we were already independent. Catalonia is a millennia old, Spain and Catalonia as a region of it, is much more recent.
Second, if you want an older example you have the declaration of independence in 1641 by Pau Claris, during Reapers' War.
Third, if Catalonia was a meme-nation you would not be living here because Catalonia would be like any other third-worldish Spanish region with no opportunities. Ask yourself why you have not emigrated to Andalucía or Cantabria and instead came here. Spoiler: because Catalonia is not Spain.

Not addressed to me but I can't help but point out the irony that you inadvertently acknowledge it's all about economics. Even your historical reference was motivated by economics.




The favourite insult of the Spanish towards Catalans: saying that we're Spanish. Spain is the only country in the world where its demonym is used as an insult towards its own citizens. Being Spanish is such garbage that the way you degrade me is inventing that I am the same as yourself, your equal. And now proceed to say you're very proud of being Spanish.

This is your problem: you think your perception defines reality. To be called Spanish isn't an insult unless you perceive it as an insult.

You're Spanish. That is the historical reality. To be reminded that you're Spanish is simply stating a fact to a child who refuses to accept reality because of their own personal baggage. Your baggage even spills over to unrelated subjects like the war in Ukraine. Your big issue is Russians immigrating to the Ukraine (because eastern ukraine is the most industrialized area of Ukraine), while ignoring the bigger geo-political issues. You're such a fanatic that your issue spills over to other unrelated topics.

To base a norm off of what CV of all people says to troll you is the height of dumb. CV isn't using Spanish as an insult. He's attacking your emphasis on being ethnically Catalan by claiming you're not. Since being ethnically Catalan is important to you, he'll say you're not and use slurs Catalans have for people who are not ethnically Catalan against you. He does that shit with everyone. If you were Ukranian and he realized being Ukranian was important to you, he'd say you're actually ethnically Russian. Russian is not being used as an insult but rather as an attack on a person's perception of their own ethnic baclground that is important to them. That's what he typically does to annoy people ('if you say A, I'll say B to annoy you').

This is obvious to anyone but because you view everything through the eyes of a fanatic you don't see what is in front of you. This is also why you have a habit of speaking for people instead of letting them speak for themselves. You've already decided what someone will say in your head.

You're quite silent about those who were charged with sedition and facing years in prison have to say about immigration. Should I keep going with the rest?

[Leto]

Your baggage even spills over to unrelated subjects like the war Ukraine. Your big issue is Russians immigrating to the Ukraine (because eastern ukraine is the most industrialized area of Ukraine), while ignoring the bigger geo-politiccal issues. You're such a fanatic that your issue spills over to other unrelated topics.

Eastern Ukraine WAS Russia for centuries, much of it was a depopulated wasteland just 300-400 years ago. People are clueless about our history and in particular how Ukraine started. That motherfucker calls Spain and Britain artificial meme states but somehow Ukraine from Lvov all the way to Lugansk is a natural, organic state. It is anything but, pretty much an artificial project done primarily by the Bolsheviks after 1917. Independent Ukraine began just 31 years ago in 1991. What's happening now has little to nothing to do with ethnicity, you have Russian-speaking people with surnames ending in -ov/in fighting against the Russian army in Ukraine. It's pure politics.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

From commercial tests such as 23andme to "amateur" ones like the Dodecad calculators.
Of course by Catalan I mean only confirmed fully ethnic catalans, not everyone living in Catalonia.
Thanks in advance.

There is quite an assortment of modern Iberian averages on Global25. In the table below I modeled Catalan-speaking populations, two Castilian averages, and one Celtiberian average (Spain_IA). I don't know if you are familiar with the terminology, in case you are not I will explain.

EEF (Early European Farmer) indicates the share of Neolithic Anatolian DNA, this component originated in Anatolia and spread in Europe starting from 6000 BC bringing with it the genetic traces. The closest modern population is the Sardinians.
WHG (Western Hunter Gatherer) indicates the pre-EEF European DNA share. The closest modern population is the Baltic peoples with about 20-25% of their ancestry derived from this component.
ANE (Ancestral North Eurasian) is a component that developed and spread in Eurasia in the late Paleolithic but also in Eastern Europe in its mixed form with WHG (EHG). Early Indo-European speaking peoples who will colonize Europe and later Europeans will contribute to spreading this component everywhere in Europe. Looks like this component is responsible for the presence of blondism in Europeans, but the question is unclear. The closest modern population is the Udmurts.
CHG (Caucasus Hunter Gatherer) is a component that developed in the Caucasus and then spread to Western Asia. Early Indo-Europeans of the Pontic-Caspian steppes also had this component and will bring it to Europe. The closest modern population is the Georgians.
Iran_N is a component named after the Neolithic farmers of Iran and was originally present in Iran and South Central Asia. An influx of peoples who will bring this component and CHG will lead to the birth of the Semitic peoples who will then have contacts with southern Europe and will partially spread this component. The closest modern population is the Makrani.
Middle_East is the Middle Eastern component of the early Neolithic. It was originally only present in the Arabian Peninsula, but will spread somewhat throughout the MENA area and the south of southern Europe. The closest modern population is the Yemenites from Mahra.
Taforalt is a North African Paleolithic component, about 27-30% of the DNA of Moroccans derives from this component. It was originally only present in North Africa, but subsequent contacts (Punics, Roman-period Berbers, Moors) brought it to Iberia and southern Italy.

https://i.imgur.com/XpBmshx.png

In this table instead you can see through clusters how Catalan speakers relate to their ethnically closest neighbors. There is an interesting homogeneity in Iberia.

https://i.imgur.com/l2MXQaS.png

[Juan Lacas]

Eastern Ukraine WAS Russia for centuries, much of it was a depopulated wasteland just 300-400 years ago. People are clueless about our history and in particular how Ukraine started. That motherfucker calls Spain and Britain artificial meme states but somehow Ukraine from Lvov all the way to Lugansk is a natural, organic state. It is anything but, pretty much an artificial project done primarily by the Bolsheviks after 1917. Independent Ukraine began just 31 years ago in 1991. What's happening now has little to nothing to do with ethnicity, you have Russian-speaking people with surnames ending in -ov/in fighting against the Russian army in Ukraine. It's pure politics.

Ukraine as an independent state from Russia did not exist until 1918 as a result of local opposition to Bolshevism, and its borders do not even coincide with those of today's Ukraine. Actually Ukraine as a nation different from Russia is another invention as stupid as Catalonia different from Spain. Ukraine has always been linked to the rest of Russia in some way.

In this case, Catalonia is another invented nation, like Ukraine or Kosovo.

[Leto]

Ukraine as an independent state from Russia did not exist until 1918 as a result of local opposition to Bolshevism, and its borders do not even coincide with those of today's Ukraine. Actually Ukraine as a nation different from Russia is another invention as stupid as Catalonia different from Spain. Ukraine has always been linked to the rest of Russia in some way.

In this case, Catalonia is another invented nation, like Ukraine or Kosovo.
I know, just don't want to talk about it because most Westerners only read their one-sided pro-Ukrainian media, be it Spanish, Italian, German, British, American, etc.

I generally stay out of other countries' issues (my heavy bias ends in the Eastern Slavic world), so whether Catalonia exists or should be an independent country is none of my business. By the same token, people who have nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine should likewise not run their mouths about us either, especially if their only source of information is the liberal Western media like the BBC or CNN. I just pointed out what I had known before - the fact that some very retarded, lefty anti-racist civic nationalism is being presented as genuine nationalism in places like Scotland and Catalonia. That's all there was to it.

Reminds of some "nationalist" goofuses over there in Ireland. Fuck the British, let the blacks in xD

[Russki]

The favourite insult of the Spanish towards Catalans: saying that we're Spanish. Spain is the only country in the world where its demonym is used as an insult towards its own citizens. Being Spanish is such garbage that the way you degrade me is inventing that I am the same as yourself, your equal. And now proceed to say you're very proud of being Spanish.



Do you also think that Scottish people are called 'British' as an insult?

Or that Scotland is denied their independence because Scots are seen as superior to other Brits?


'Other Brits' in this case are mainly English people.

[Juan Lacas]

I know, just don't want to talk about it because most Westerners only read their one-sided pro-Ukrainian media, be it Spanish, Italian, German, British, American, etc.

I generally stay out of other countries' issues (my heavy bias ends in the Eastern Slavic world), so whether Catalonia exists or should be an independent country is none of my business. By the same token, people who have nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine should likewise not run their mouths about us either, especially if their only source of information is the liberal Western media like the BBC or CNN. I just pointed out what I had known before - the fact that some very retarded, lefty anti-racist civic nationalism is being presented as genuine nationalism in places like Scotland and Catalonia. That's all there was to it.

Reminds of some "nationalist" goofuses over there in Ireland. Fuck the British, let the blacks in xD

Everyone has the right to give an opinion about what they want, but it is always preferable to do so with adequate training on the subject to give an opinion. In this regard, what the Western press says matters little to me. Not that I'm pro-Russian, but no one will buy my opinion with lies. And of course if we turn to historical facts, Ukraine isn't a nation.

In this respect, Catalan nationalism is exactly the same as Ukrainian nationalism. They even employ their own propaganda methods: during the riots after the October 2017 "referendum" they shot a video to attract international attention by emulating point by point a video recorded by the Ukrainians during the Euromaidan protests. They don't even know how to be original.


https://youtu.be/vlfJeTlX7qg

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Everyone has the right to give an opinion about what they want, but it is always preferable to do so with adequate training on the subject to give an opinion. In this regard, what the Western press says matters little to me. Not that I'm pro-Russian, but no one will buy my opinion with lies. And of course if we turn to historical facts, Ukraine isn't a nation.

In this respect, Catalan nationalism is exactly the same as Ukrainian nationalism. They even employ their own propaganda methods: during the riots after the October 2017 "referendum" they shot a video to attract international attention by emulating point by point a video recorded by the Ukrainians during the Euromaidan protests. They don't even know how to be original.


https://youtu.be/vlfJeTlX7qg

I love the over-the-top drama from the Catalan. You would think she was in Donbas for 8 years being shelled by the illegitimate Ukrainian government's military.

Personally, as I've said before, I don't care about Catalunya being independent but I don't like the bullshit. There are certainly legitimate grievances towards the Spanish government but the hysterics and dishonesty by Catalan separatists are off-putting. They act like this movement didn't just spring up after 2008 alongside the economic crisis in Spain. The ETA was at war with the Spanish government for decades, while the Catalan nationalists (about 4 people and their dog) were twiddling their thumbs because the rest of the population in Catalunya accepted being part of Spain. They try to pretend this is some sort of long struggle.

[Cristiano viejo]

The favourite insult of the Spanish towards Catalans: saying that we're Spanish.

The favourite insult of the Spanish toward Catalans: saying you are Jews and tacaños as fuck.

Not my fault that most of Catalans have Andalusian origins, you are so retard you hate yourselves.

[Gebachs]

You said that Spain as a nation was not formed until 1812, from what is Catalonia going to become independent if Spain did not exist at that time? do you like to contradict yourself?

We are an millennia nation that tried to become independent from a nation that did not exist, when that country was formed it had to take 100 years to try to become independent again but it failed, in 2017 we repeated move.

What I've always said is that Spain is a multiethnic state and therefore can't be a nation and its political creation dates back to 1812. For some reason you think that you can't declare independence from a state that's not a nation or from the dominions of a king.



Ese mismo complejo que tú tan bien reflejas. Y es que incluso en lo malo son ustedes españoles mal que le pese :lmao



Te repito que seguro te meo en la cara en lo que a posición económica se refiere. Por cierto mi país tercermundista de raíz española es tercermundista en parte por culpa de ustedes los catalanes. Por años ejercieron impunemente la esclavitud en Cuba, por años se negaron a que Cataluña tuviera autonomía, teniendo como consecuencia el levantamiento separatista en Cuba, y una vez que Cuba se independiza, se atreven ustedes a demandar todo aquello que negaban a Cuba, para después copiarnos hasta la bandera.

Por cierto que hoy día si hay una zona en España que se está convirtiendo a cada minuto más en tercermundista, esa es Cataluña, como consecuencia de usar los millones que España les regala en bobadas separatistas y por llenar Cataluña de africanos para que les voten. En lo económico ya les sobrepasa hasta Andalucía, esa comunidad poblada, según los separatistas catalanes, de haraganes, que tal y como se está viendo de haraganes no tienen nada.



Lo alucinante es que ustedes traten de forzar a más de la mitad de la población catalana a tragar con sus ideas, que por si fuera poco se basan en mentiras.

Y no es que me guste todo lo relacionado con españa, es que soy español, nieto de canarios, hablo castellano, soy católico, mi sangre es española, todo mi mundo es de raíz hispánica, qué soy sino español? Y no tengo que hacer ninguna maleta, primero porque yo habitaré donde me venga en gana, y segundo porque vivo en Miami, ciudad hispana por excelencia, que como toda la Florida fue parte de España y eso se percibe por todo el estado. Que políticamente esto sea parte de los USA me importa poco y nada, vivo en un entorno hispano, soy hispano, no necesito más: soy español.



Partiendo de la base de que ustedes llaman "analfabeto made in Spain" a todo aquel que les refuta soberanamente, y siendo cierto eso que dices de esos aranceles fueron impuestos por la monarquía y que tanto para bien en unos casos como para mal en otros nos afectaron a todos los españoles, no es menos cierto que el gran despegue económico de Cataluña se produce a raíz de esos aranceles (https://www.abc.es/espana/20140210/abci-como-cataluna-volvio-rica-201402100444.html); simplemente es un hecho. No es que se deba a que ustedes son muy hacendosos y emprendedores y el resto de españoles unos vagos buenos para nada; simplemente a ustedes les beneficiaron más que al resto.

Y sí, efectivamente la Corona de Aragón, y con ella Cataluña, conoció un florecimiento comercial y militar en el Mediterráneo muy notorio, pero no te engañes papi, la Peste Negra hizo unos estragos terribles en toda la Corona que dejó muy tocada toda la estructura económica de la Corona de Aragón, la cual se agravó con la expulsión de los moriscos. Por no hablar de que ya en el siglo XIV Valencia supera a Barcelona como puerto comercial pujante de Aragón.



Ese es uno de los tantos embustes que se enseñan en la escuela allá? Aragón no es regalado ni nada de eso, el conde de Barcelona se convierte en rey consorte de Aragón, nadie se lo regala



Tener leyes e instituciones propias no significa ser independiente, todos los reinos de la Monarquía Hispánica los tenían y no por ello eran estados independientes. De hecho todavía han llegado hasta nuestros días fueros e instituciones tradicionales, el caso más parecido es el de los vascos y navarros, pero no es el único, existen ejemplos en Aragón, Castilla, Asturias o Extremadura., y ninguno de estos territorios es un estado independiente.



Esos "inmigrantes españoles" se diferencian de ustedes solo en el idioma, y ni eso es una barrera porque el catalán es una lengua sumamente fácil para castellanohablantes y además los catalanes hablan todos castellano. Ustedes sin embargo cuentan a los inmigrantes de fuera de Europa como catalanes a favor de la independencia, que es mucho peor.



A mí me vale pinga qué los gringos me consideren, yo no soy como muchos trastornados acomplejados en este mismo foro que pretenden pasar como anglos norteamericanos cuando son más hispanos y mestizos que el que más. Acá gente como Cristiano Viejo me ha dicho que ni soy blanco ni soy español y me importa una mierda. Menos aún me importa lo que puedan decir los gringos y menos aún lo que me puedas tú decir.



No has sido capaz de rebatir ninguna de mis sentencias, porque de mentira no tienen nada. Son ustedes los que mienten, y siento la necesidad de combatir esa mentira y tantas otras que dañen al mundo hispano, y lo hago por mucho que te duela.



Esto ya sí que es bien chistoso. Y no será más bien que gente como tú fuerza la no españolidad de Cataluña? Como tú dices, sé sincero contigo mismo y revisa todos aquellos aspectos que a tu juicio hace que los catalanes supuestamente no sean españoles.

What a load of lies, it's hard to pull more bullshit in a single post. I see what you're doing, dragging me to the mud so I get dirty and then claim victory because we're both stinking. A classic Spanish move.
So many words and your only "argument" is that everything Catalans have ever done is not the merit of Catalans but of Spain (even if Spain didn't exist), except the fact that Cuba is a shithole, this is Catalans' fault. A very Spanish way of thinking because this is how worthless losers think. No wonder you try to convince yourself you're living in a Hispanic city and belong to an imaginary Hispanic world. Nah man, you're a filthy wetback coming from a shithole (because all that is or was Spain is a shithole) and live in Florida because it belongs to an Anglo-Saxon country. You want to convince anyone? Don't talk, act on it. Go back to Cuba or Spain and make it a first world country instead of leaching off Americans' accomplishments.

[SangreAzul]

Colonel is a Galician Spanish immigrant to the U.S.

He is an American. No ever be a Galician, he himself isn't even attended to this identity. Jajaaja funny joke

[Gallop]

Not my fault that most of Catalans have Andalusian origins, you are so retard you hate yourselves.

It's the best thing that could have happened to them :)

[Juan Lacas]

What a load of lies, it's hard to pull more bullshit in a single post. I see what you're doing, dragging me to the mud so I get dirty and then claim victory because we're both stinking. A classic Spanish move.

Si tan mentira es lo que digo me lo podrías rebatir, pero no lo haces. Porque no puedes.


So many words and your only "argument" is that everything Catalans have ever done is not the merit of Catalans but of Spain (even if Spain didn't exist)

Es cierto que los catalanes son muy industriosos, pero hablemos con la verdad, ustedes salieron muy beneficiados.


except the fact that Cuba is a shithole, this is Catalans' fault

Evidentemente Cataluña no tiene la culpa de la llegada de Castro al poder, que fue lo que de verdad jodió a Cuba (recordemos que hasta entonces a Cuba se emigraban y no a la inversa), pero detrás de las causas que motivaron la independencia de Cuba sí tuvo mucho que ver la mano de la casta empresarial catalana que había allá.


A very Spanish way of thinking because this is how worthless losers think.

No te recordará por casualidad al "Espanya ens roba" y todo eso? :lmao


No wonder you try to convince yourself you're living in a Hispanic city and belong to an imaginary Hispanic world.

De imaginario nada, acá se habla más castellano que en Barcelona catalán, y acá hay más hispanos étnicos como tú dirías que en Cataluña "catalanes étnicos". Según ustedes eso es lo que hace falta para ser una nación no?


Nah man, you're a filthy wetback coming from a shithole (because all that is or was Spain is a shithole)

Cataluña sí es una shithole y cada día más, infestada de africanos y asiáticos a los que ustedes regalaron el pasaporte para conseguir votos separatistas, y ahorita tú loras porque "hay demasiados españoles no catalanes aquí", no puedes ser más bobo papi.


and live in Florida because it belongs to an Anglo-Saxon country.

Vivo en Florida porque es lo que más cerca me pilla de Cuba y porque estoy bien tranquilo y bien a gusto acá, rodeado de mi gente hispana, y no descarto en un momento dado irme a la Península o a las islas Canarias, aunque por el momento de irme a algún sitio sería a Santo Domingo.


You want to convince anyone? Don't talk, act on it. Go back to Cuba or Spain and make it a first world country instead of leaching off Americans' accomplishments.

Yo me iré adonde se me dé la realísima gana amigo, mientras tanto tú ni siquiera puedes convencer a nadie porque todo tu discursito separatista se basa en la pura mentira y en el complejo, porque asúmelo papi ustedes los separatistas actúan por puro complejo.

[Juan Lacas]

It's the best thing that could have happened to them :)

It amuses me a lot that he complains about the Andalusians and Extremadurans who are there but does not say anything about the Moroccans, Senegaleses, Hindus and Filipinos who were given passports to exercise as separatist electoral force. It will be that for this dude these people are more Catalan than Andalusians.

[Gallop]

It amuses me a lot that he complains about the Andalusians and Extremadurans who are there but does not say anything about the Moroccans, Senegaleses, Hindus and Filipinos who were given passports to exercise as separatist electoral force. It will be that for this type these people are more Catalan than Andalusians.

Andalusians, Extremadurians, Galicians, etc. In fact, they could have renounced the privileges offered by the Franco regime and the latter would have bet on another region and would not have received emigration from the rest of Spain.

In the last times yes they have filled Catalonia with Moroccans and other ethnic groups perhaps to counteract the migration of the rest of Spain, but it is not so easy the migration of the rest of Spain is already integrated and mixed with the Catalans especially in Barcelona province, yes it can be true that the independence madness can try to make feel the Andalusian migration as you say that Filipinos, Moroccans and. t.c. for the Catalans they are as foreigners as the migration of the rest of Spain, but it is already something of design, I do not believe that they really feel it and it remains in cheap politics.

Imagine you think that the Andalusians, Extremadurians, Galicians living in Catalonia are going to allow anyone to look down on them, do not be confused, they are very proud and brave people, no one, absolutely no one will look down on them.

Bullshit, the last thing they want is to become independent, they do want to hold the state in check to obtain privileges, so their voters are totally deceived.

Pero ya los andaluces estamos cansados de todos ellos y vamos a pegar un chapazo que va a cagar la perra.

[Juan Lacas]

Pero ya los andaluces estamos cansados de todos ellos y vamos a pegar un chapazo que va a cagar la perra.

Yo me refería a que este tipo ya van unas cuantas veces que dice que Cataluña está infestada de "españoles" y que por eso el separatismo no va más allá, pero es un hecho que Cataluña es un pozo de inmigración extraeuropea y ello se debe a que los sucesivos gobiernos autonómicos separatistas catalanes han llenado Cataluña de esa gente a fin de ganar votos. Yo todavía no he visto a este tipo quejarse de la inmigración no europea en Cataluña, y si estamos hablando de etnicidad, yo si fuera catalán "étnico" desde luego preferiría millones de veces a un andaluz, a un extremeño, a un gallego o a un castellano que a un marroquí, un senegalés o un filipino. Si las diferencias lingüísticas y culturales entre Cataluña y Andalucía para estos sujetos son irreconciliables imagínate las que puede haber entre Cataluña y Marruecos.

Por otra parte no sé si es cosa mía o te percibo muy irritable cuando te hablan mal de Andalucía. Te recomiendo que no te estreses demasiado, los datos hablan por sí solos y Andalucía está en proceso de convertirse en la región más pujante de España. A Cataluña ya se la está comiendo. Y si no fuera por el desgobierno de zurdos que tiene España, Andalucía llegara mucho más lejos porque es una región que lo tiene todo para triunfar económicamente.

[Gallop]

Yo me refería a que este tipo ya van unas cuantas veces que dice que Cataluña está infestada de "españoles" y que por eso el separatismo no va más allá, pero es un hecho que Cataluña es un pozo de inmigración extraeuropea y ello se debe a que los sucesivos gobiernos autonómicos separatistas catalanes han llenado Cataluña de esa gente a fin de ganar votos. Yo todavía no he visto a este tipo quejarse de la inmigración no europea en Cataluña, y si estamos hablando de etnicidad, yo si fuera catalán "étnico" desde luego preferiría millones de veces a un andaluz, a un extremeño, a un gallego o a un castellano que a un marroquí, un senegalés o un filipino. Si las diferencias lingüísticas y culturales entre Cataluña y Andalucía para estos sujetos son irreconciliables imagínate las que puede haber entre Cataluña y Marruecos.

Por otra parte no sé si es cosa mía o te percibo muy irritable cuando te hablan mal de Andalucía. Te recomiendo que no te estreses demasiado, los datos hablan por sí solos y Andalucía está en proceso de convertirse en la región más pujante de España. A Cataluña ya se la está comiendo. Y si no fuera por el desgobierno de zurdos que tiene España, Andalucía llegara mucho más lejos porque es una región que lo tiene todo para triunfar económicamente.

Está totalmente equivocado Cataluña y Andalucía no tienen ningún problema en absoluto, ni los andaluces o de otras regiones que viven en Cataluña han sentido el más mínimo desprecio o inhibición de hecho hay muchas festividades andaluzas que tienen su réplica en Cataluña, los catalanes son muy permisivos, tolerantes y educados, luego en privado unos a otros se pone a parir pero eso pasa en cualquier lugar del mundo, no hay ningún ambiente hostil en Cataluña con el resto de españoles que viven en Cataluña, todo lo contrario, a parte están las políticas, el español en la enseñanza o juventudes catalanistas con un odio prefabricado o inducido hacia España, el independentismo necesita votantes.

En cuanto a la inmigración extranjera para contrarrestar a la emigración nacional, creo que no saben donde se han metido.

Estamos los andaluces ya hartos de todos ellos, de Madrid para arriba, hasta el gorro, ellos quieren que los estatus Norte/Sur continúen como en la época de Franco, pero eso querido amigo va a cambiar y no van a servir idioteces y humillaciones verbales directas o de forma subrepticia porque nos las pasamos por el Arco del Triunfo.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Gebachs is basically what happens when someone learns English on 4chan. The entire time I read his posts it was like reading 4chan posts: over-the-top personality disorder with an autistic obsession (meme... meme... meme...).

[Andullero]

A ustedes les tocaron con los aranceles al lino y les vino a visitar Dios con ello, si no hubiera sido por toditos los favores económicos que el gobierno español les concedió en los últimos 200 años, ustedes serían la mierda.



Hasta el punto de que España se dió el lujo de ceder Santo Domingo, su primer puesto ultramarino en América, a la Francia en partes en par de ocasiones (1697 y 1795) con tal que Cataluña no fuese francesa ahora.

[Juan Lacas]

Hasta el punto de que España se dió el lujo de ceder Santo Domingo, su primer puesto ultramarino en América, a la Francia en partes en par de ocasiones (1697 y 1795) con tal que Cataluña no fuese francesa ahora.

En mi último viaje a la Península conseguí un libro muy bueno a este respecto, titulado El privilegio catalán, del santanderino Jesús Lainz, cuyo simple resumen en la contraportada es bastante ilustrativo:

Según la elaboración histórica catalanista, 1714 significó el final de la soberanía catalana y el comienzo de la opresión española. Sin embargo, fue precisamente entonces cuando comenzó la prosperidad de Cataluña, que pronto se destacaría como la región más industrializada de España. La política proteccionista benefició durante dos siglos a una industria catalana que gozó privilegiadamente tanto del mercado nacional como del colonial. Además, Cataluña fue la metrópoli imperial española del siglo XIX, así como la principal beneficiaria del tráfico y tenencia de esclavos. La intransigencia de los industriales catalanes ante las reivindicaciones autonomistas y librecambistas de los cubanos fue la chispa que prendió la guerra independentista. Y, tras el 98, pasaron en un instante del más exaltado patriotismo español al separatismo. En el siglo XX la burguesía catalana, separatista cuando le convino, fue el principal apoyo a la dictadura de Primo de Rivera y protagonista esencial del alzamiento del 18 de julio. Y Cataluña fue la región más beneficiada por la política económica del régimen franquista. De todo esto no suelen hablar los promotores del eslogan «España nos roba».

[Friends of Oliver Society]

En mi último viaje a la Península conseguí un libro muy bueno a este respecto, titulado El privilegio catalán, del santanderino Jesús Lainz, cuyo simple resumen en la contraportada es bastante ilustrativo:

Según la elaboración histórica catalanista, 1714 significó el final de la soberanía catalana y el comienzo de la opresión española. Sin embargo, fue precisamente entonces cuando comenzó la prosperidad de Cataluña, que pronto se destacaría como la región más industrializada de España. La política proteccionista benefició durante dos siglos a una industria catalana que gozó privilegiadamente tanto del mercado nacional como del colonial. Además, Cataluña fue la metrópoli imperial española del siglo XIX, así como la principal beneficiaria del tráfico y tenencia de esclavos. La intransigencia de los industriales catalanes ante las reivindicaciones autonomistas y librecambistas de los cubanos fue la chispa que prendió la guerra independentista. Y, tras el 98, pasaron en un instante del más exaltado patriotismo español al separatismo. En el siglo XX la burguesía catalana, separatista cuando le convino, fue el principal apoyo a la dictadura de Primo de Rivera y protagonista esencial del alzamiento del 18 de julio. Y Cataluña fue la región más beneficiada por la política económica del régimen franquista. De todo esto no suelen hablar los promotores del eslogan «España nos roba».

What is amusing about typical Catalan separatist retardation is the argument Madrid/Franco had some master plan to swamp Catalonia with people from other regions. Catalunya and the Basque lands are in a perfect position (both border France and so it's an economic link to the rest of Europe and the sea). So it shouldn't be surprising that Franco's economic policies favor heavily these two regions. It's also not surprising that if you don't have sufficient labor it has to come from somewhere else and that would mean migrants from regions that don't have the geographical benefits of the Basque lands and Catalunya.

This is all common sense but common sense is what is lacking in most people. As well as a basic understanding of economics.

[Juan Lacas]

What is amusing about typical Catalan separatist retardation is the argument Madrid/Franco had some master plan to swamp Catalonia with people from other regions. Catalunya and the Basque lands are in a perfect position (both border France and so it's an economic link to the rest of Europe and the sea). So it shouldn't be surprising that Franco's economic policies favor heavily these two regions. It's also not surprising that if you don't have sufficient labor it has to come from somewhere else and that would mean migrants from regions that don't have the geographical benefits of the Basque lands and Catalunya.

This is all common sense but common sense is what is lacking in most people. As well as a basic understanding of economics.

In fact there is a very interesting point that our Catalan friend forgets, who knows if on purpose, and that is that a good part of the politicians of the Catalan separatist right (CiU specifically) came from the Franco regime.

[B01AB20]

Está totalmente equivocado Cataluña y Andalucía no tienen ningún problema en absoluto, ni los andaluces o de otras regiones que viven en Cataluña han sentido el más mínimo desprecio o inhibición de hecho hay muchas festividades andaluzas que tienen su réplica en Cataluña, los catalanes son muy permisivos, tolerantes y educados, luego en privado unos a otros se pone a parir pero eso pasa en cualquier lugar del mundo, no hay ningún ambiente hostil en Cataluña con el resto de españoles que viven en Cataluña, todo lo contrario, a parte están las políticas, el español en la enseñanza o juventudes catalanistas con un odio prefabricado o inducido hacia España, el independentismo necesita votantes.

No creas. el menosprecio, desprecio e incluso odio de los lazis catalufos a los inmigrantes españoles y sus descendientes es directamente proporcional a su fanatismo nacionalista. El gebachs este ya lo ha plasmado en varios de sus mensajes.

Andaluces la verdad es que hay muchísimos aquí, sin duda los inmigrantes españoles mas numerosos. Jordi Pujol los definió así:


“El hombre andaluz no es un hecho coherente, es un hombre anárquico. Es un hombre destruido (…) es, generalmente, un hombre poco hecho, es un hombre que hace cientos de años pasa hambre y que vive en un estado de ignorancia y de miseria cultural, mental y espiritual. Es un hombre desarraigado, incapaz de tener un sentido un poco amplio de la comunidad. (…) constituye la muestra de menos valor social y espiritual de España. (…) es un hombre destruido y anárquico. Si por la fuerza numérica llegase a dominar, sin antes haber superado su propia perplejidad, destruiría Cataluña. Introduciría en ella su mentalidad anárquica y paupérrima, es decir, su falta de mentalidad”.


Es sabido que Jordi Pujol tuvo que retractarse ya en 1976 por las afirmaciones racistas contra los andaluces vertidas en su conocidísima y desaparecida obra Immigració, problema i esperança de Catalunya (1958), reeeditada en aquella fecha.

En 1997 tiene que volver a disculparse Pujol por los pasajes claramente denigratorios del libro, concretamente por las páginas 65-67 de la obra, Barcelona, Nova Terra (los escritos de 1958 eran samizdat):

El libro en cuestión fue retirado de las bibliotecas y librerías de viejo (parece que se pagó por los ejemplares supervivientes para sacarlos definitivamente de la circulación).

¿Qué te parece? :)

Luego ese pobre mamarracho que puso Puchimon de presi, Torra, escribió lindezas como


“Ahora miras a tu país y vuelves a ver hablar a las bestias. Pero son de otro tipo. Carroñeras, víboras, hienas. Bestias con forma humana, que destilan odio. Un odio perturbado, nauseabundo, como de dentadura postiza con verdín, contra todo lo que representa la lengua”.'

Están aquí, entre nosotros. Les repugna cualquier expresión de catalanidad. Es una fobia enfermiza. Hay alguna cosa freudiana en en estas bestias. O un pequeño estremecimiento en su cadena de ADN. ¡Pobres individuos! Viven en un país del que desconocen todo: su cultura, sus tradiciones, su historia”, señala también Torra en este artículo, publicado en diciembre de 2012 en ‘El Món’.

Y remató sus reflexiones con estas palabras: “Se pasean impermeables a cualquier acontecimiento que represente el hecho catalán. Les crea urticaria. Les rebota todo lo que no sea español y en castellano. Tienen nombres y apellidos, las bestias. Todos conocemos a algunas. Abundan, las bestias. Viven, mueren y se multiplican”.

La verdad es que la catalinidad y el catalán no han logrado traspasar sus límites étnicos, a pesar de mandar en el gobierno autonómico desde siempre y de imponerlo en las instituciones, la escuela, los medios públicos autonómicos... a pesar de que el 90% de la población sabe hablar catalán, solo lo tienen como lengua habitual los catalanes étnicos, a grosso modo.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-54291ebd4abad7fbca603b3836cd3f1a-lq

Es comprensible su rabia y frustración ¿no te parece?. Están viendo desaparecer su país milenario con lengua y cultura propias a ojos vista. Y eso como digo, a pesar de mandar en el gobierno autonómico desde siempre.
No se si la independencia cambiaría algo el panorama. Tendrían que hacer como en franquismo a la inversa, vigilar y denunciar a quien hable castellano en público. No muy democrático ni 'europeo' verdad?

Y ya para colmo ese complejo de superioridad tan narcisista que tienen hace todo esto mucho mas doloroso.



En cuanto a la inmigración extranjera para contrarrestar a la emigración nacional, creo que no saben donde se han metido.

El gobierno catalán ni pincha ni corta en el tema migratorio, no puede traer o echar a nadie por su cuenta. Si hay tantísimo inmigrante concentrado aquí es por lo mismo que lo hay en Madrid, pero no en Soria por ejemplo.

[Cristiano viejo]

It amuses me a lot that he complains about the Andalusians and Extremadurans who are there but does not say anything about the Moroccans, Senegaleses, Hindus and Filipinos who were given passports to exercise as separatist electoral force. It will be that for this dude these people are more Catalan than Andalusians.
El karma es muy chungo, ahora los catalufis se quejan de que otros españoles les han colonizado. Poco hablan de cuando ellos, los catalanes, colonizaron media península: Baleares, Comunidad Valenciana, Murcia, Almería, y hasta zonas de Huelva (Isla Cristina). Por algo se encuentran apellidos catalanes por toda España con bastante facilidad. Ahora andaluces, extremeños etc les han devuelto la visita :laugh:


No creas. el menosprecio, desprecio e incluso odio de los lazis catalufos a los inmigrantes españoles y sus descendientes es directamente proporcional a su fanatismo nacionalista. El gebachs este ya lo ha plasmado en varios de sus mensajes.

Andaluces la verdad es que hay muchísimos aquí, sin duda los inmigrantes españoles mas numerosos. Jordi Pujol los definió así:


¿Qué te parece? :)

Luego ese pobre mamarracho que puso Puchimon de presi, Torra, escribió lindezas como


Torra y Jordi Pujol parecen orcos sacados de una peli de terror, genéticamente son basura. Que hablen de otros es para mear y no echar gota.
Puigdemont, que es el único de esos tres que sí parece una persona, tiene orígenes andaluces, como media Cataluña (o más), juas.

[Juan Lacas]

El karma es muy chungo, ahora los catalufis se quejan de que otros españoles les han colonizado. Poco hablan de cuando ellos, los catalanes, colonizaron media península: Baleares, Comunidad Valenciana, Murcia, Almería, y hasta zonas de Huelva (Isla Cristina). Por algo se encuentran apellidos catalanes por toda España con bastante facilidad. Ahora andaluces, extremeños etc les han devuelto la visita :laugh:

La única colonización que está sufriendo Cataluña es de mano de marroquíes y subsaharianos entre otros, a los que han regalado mil beneficios para ganar votos separatistas. Son ya bastante célebres esas fotos que andan por internet de moros, negros o indios enarbolando banderas separatistas en manifestaciones. Pero yo todavía no veo a este tipo lamentarse por eso.

La emigración de españoles de otras regiones a Cataluña es simplemente una consecuencia de que el gobierno central te riegue con millones y otras prebendas. Si a Extremadura o a Andalucía no les ha sido dado nada para su desarrollo mientras que a Cataluña sí, es de lógica que habrá andaluces y extremeños que irán a buscarse las habichuelas adonde está el desarrollo, en este caso Cataluña.

Imaginemos por un instante que esos aranceles al textil catalán que se le concedieron en su día se le conceden a la industria textil (lanera) castellana: sería Castilla la que se vería beneficiada a costa de otros territorios, y la gente de esos territorios llegaría a Castilla a miles a ganarse la vida. Es normal, es la consecuencia natural de ese orden de acontecimientos. Lo que no pueden hacer estos separatistas es pretender beneficios por parte del gobierno español, beneficios que provienen del dinero de todos los españoles, y luego esos beneficios poder disfrutarlos sólo los "catalanes étnicos", o aquellos catalanes que apoyen el separatismo. Eso es de ser unos caraduras y unos desvergonzados.


Torra y Jordi Pujol parecen orcos sacados de una peli de terror, genéticamente son basura. Que hablen de otros es para mear y no echar gota.

La "raza superior" catalana, ya tú sabes asere :lmao y luego esta misma gente te dice que el andaluz es un hombre poco hecho, ellos directamente son hombres mal hechos! :lmao


Puigdemont, que es el único de esos tres que sí parece una persona, tiene orígenes andaluces, como media Cataluña (o más), juas.

Me pregunto si para el tipo este Puigdemont cuenta como catalán étnico :lmao

[Cristiano viejo]

La única colonización que está sufriendo Cataluña es de mano de marroquíes y subsaharianos entre otros, a los que han regalado mil beneficios para ganar votos separatistas. Son ya bastante célebres esas fotos que andan por internet de moros, negros o indios enarbolando banderas separatistas en manifestaciones. Pero yo todavía no veo a este tipo lamentarse por eso.
Los llamados Nous Catalans

https://www.lasvocesdelpueblo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Arzobispo-de-Tarragona-alerta-del-peligro-yihadista-vinculados-a-Fundaci%C3%B3-Nous-Catalans.jpg

[Juan Lacas]

Los llamados Nous Catalans

https://www.lasvocesdelpueblo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Arzobispo-de-Tarragona-alerta-del-peligro-yihadista-vinculados-a-Fundaci%C3%B3-Nous-Catalans.jpg

Eso mismo, estos parece que sí son catalanes y los separatistas no se quejan de ellos, el problema son los andaluces, no los moros. Hay que ser bien pendejo... :picard2:

[Gallop]

No creas. el menosprecio, desprecio e incluso odio de los lazis catalufos a los inmigrantes españoles y sus descendientes es directamente proporcional a su fanatismo nacionalista. El gebachs este ya lo ha plasmado en varios de sus mensajes.

Andaluces la verdad es que hay muchísimos aquí, sin duda los inmigrantes españoles mas numerosos. Jordi Pujol los definió así:





¿Qué te parece? :)

Luego ese pobre mamarracho que puso Puchimon de presi, Torra, escribió lindezas como



La verdad es que la catalinidad y el catalán no han logrado traspasar sus límites étnicos, a pesar de mandar en el gobierno autonómico desde siempre y de imponerlo en las instituciones, la escuela, los medios públicos autonómicos... a pesar de que el 90% de la población sabe hablar catalán, solo lo tienen como lengua habitual los catalanes étnicos, a grosso modo.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-54291ebd4abad7fbca603b3836cd3f1a-lq

Es comprensible su rabia y frustración ¿no te parece?. Están viendo desaparecer su país milenario con lengua y cultura propias a ojos vista. Y eso como digo, a pesar de mandar en el gobierno autonómico desde siempre.
No se si la independencia cambiaría algo el panorama. Tendrían que hacer como en franquismo a la inversa, vigilar y denunciar a quien hable castellano en público. No muy democrático ni 'europeo' verdad?

Y ya para colmo ese complejo de superioridad tan narcisista que tienen hace todo esto mucho mas doloroso.




El gobierno catalán ni pincha ni corta en el tema migratorio, no puede traer o echar a nadie por su cuenta. Si hay tantísimo inmigrante concentrado aquí es por lo mismo que lo hay en Madrid, pero no en Soria por ejemplo.


Toda esa mierda los andaluces nos lo pasamos por el forro de los cojones. Absurdeces que dijeron sin fuerzas ni ganas hace unas décadas atrás para mantener los estatus y desigualdades socio-económicas regionales Norte/Sur.



"El andaluz vive en la ignorancia y la miseria mental, es la muestra de menor valor social de España"
Las redes sociales resucitan un texto del expresident Jordi Pujol por el que ya tuvo que pedir disculpas en 1977 y 1997

El pasaje forma parte del libro La inmigración, problema y esperanza de Cataluña que fue publicado de forma clandestina durante la dictadura, en el año 1958, para después ser reeditado en 1976. Desde entonces, el pasaje ha sido resucitado en varias ocasiones generando polémicas en su reedición y 20 años después, en 1997, durante el Gobierno de Aznar. Ahora, con motivo de la ofensiva independentista las redes sociales han ayudado a propagarlo otra vez.
https://www.elplural.com/autonomias/cataluna/el-andaluz-vive-en-la-ignorancia-y-la-miseria-mental-es-la-muestra-de-menor-valor-social-de-espana_53432102
https://www.elplural.com/autonomias/cataluna/el-andaluz-vive-en-la-ignorancia-y-la-miseria-mental-es-la-muestra-de-menor-valor-social-de-espana_53432102

Artículos en El País
En dichos artículos (que pueden leerse aquí y aquí) Pujol establece un "diálogo catalano-andaluz" en el que explica su visión de la inmigración a Cataluña, un fenómeno protagonizado en gran medida por andaluces (ahí están la Feria de Abril de Barcelona o José Montilla, expresidente catalán nacido en Andalucía). "Si de algo no se me podrá tachar es de oportunismo, de haber empezado a hablar de estos temas sólo ahora, coincidiendo, sospechosamente, con la proximidad de las elecciones", se defendía Pujol en las páginas de El País y recalcaba que "catalán es todo hombre que vive y trabaja en Cataluña".

Resurgir en Puerto Real
El asunto fue olvidado hasta 1997, cuando José María Aznar se sentaba en La Moncloa con el apoyo de CiU pero sus seguidores seguían gritando aquello de "Pujol enano, habla castellano". Entonces no había redes sociales y el proceso fue el siguiente: un ciudadano catalán envió una carta al Diario de Cádiz donde hablaba del texto; unos alumnos de 14 años de un colegio de Puerto Real lo denunciaron en su ayuntamiento, donde gobernaba el PP en coalición y la bola fue creciendo más y más hasta llegar a las páginas de ABC.

El párrafo maldito
En aquel entonces, Jordi Pujol ya estaba cansado de la polémica, intermitente "porque de vez en cuando alguien vuelve a encontrar el párrafo", afirmaba en las páginas de ABC. Ahora, el párrafo ha sido encontrado otra vez y las redes sociales han ayudado a difundirlo mucho más rápido y ampliamente que en ocasiones anteriores, ayudado por la polémica independentista y por las recurrentes descalificaciones de políticos como José Antonio Duran i Lleida contra los andaluces.


En definitiva que ha tenido que claudicar, rectificar y pedir perdón. Pujol y toda la jerarquí lazi se han retratado así mismo desde hace ya un tiempo, no tienen ningún peso ni relevancia para los andaluces y se trata simplemente de que quieren mantener los estatus y desigualdades socio-económicos de décadas atrás, evidentemente y hacia el futuro no lo conseguirán, mucho menos con chorradas o barbaridades como las dichas por Pujol durante el franquismo, un pobre enano con alas, mira cómo a acabado, que no está en la cárcel porque si mueve el manzano caen todas las manzanas, con los andaluces no puede nadie.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdBb4yqX4AAX6HB?format=jpg&name=medium

[Cristiano viejo]

Eso mismo, estos parece que sí son catalanes y los separatistas no se quejan de ellos, el problema son los andaluces, no los moros. Hay que ser bien pendejo... :picard2:

Hablando de los Nous Catalans, acabo de ver esta noticia, juas. Ve el vídeo, unos moros han intentado detener una procesión de Semana Santa en Tarragona. Los Mosus los han detenido y dado algunos porrazos, y la gente de a pie aplaudiendo y gritando viva España, juas
https://www.abc.es/espana/catalunya/abci-detenidos-vendrell-tarragona-tratar-impedir-procesion-semana-santa-202204111529_noticia.html

[Juan Lacas]

En definitiva que ha tenido que claudicar, rectificar y pedir perdón.

Porque si no se comen un carajo, tienen que asumir que en Cataluña hay mucha gente de Andalucía y otras regiones y que sin ellos no son nada. Y esto que decimos reza exactamente igual para el nacionalismo vasco.


Hablando de los Nous Catalans, acabo de ver esta noticia, juas. Ve el vídeo, unos moros han intentado detener una procesión de Semana Santa en Tarragona. Los Mosus los han detenido y dado algunos porrazos, y la gente de a pie aplaudiendo y gritando viva España, juas
https://www.abc.es/espana/catalunya/abci-detenidos-vendrell-tarragona-tratar-impedir-procesion-semana-santa-202204111529_noticia.html

Que viva mi gente catalana de verdad, al carajo con los putos moros y mi enhorabuena a la policía por su actuación. Un poquito suaves quizá, pero no se puede hacer más nada.
Y a pesar de esto, repito, para estos separatistas el problema son los "charnegos", pero no estos "nous catalans"... :rolleyes:

[Gallop]

Porque si no se comen un carajo, tienen que asumir que en Cataluña hay mucha gente de Andalucía y otras regiones y que sin ellos no son nada. Y esto que decimos reza exactamente igual para el nacionalismo vasco.



Que viva mi gente catalana de verdad, al carajo con los putos moros y mi enhorabuena a la policía por su actuación. Un poquito suaves quizá, pero no se puede hacer más nada.
Y a pesar de esto, repito, para estos separatistas el problema son los "charnegos", pero no estos "nous catalans"... :rolleyes:

Lo tienen más que asumido si no que le hubiesen dicho a Franco, pues no queremos que nos industrialices porque no queremos recibir emigración del resto de España y se hubieran quedado como el resto de regiones, Galicia, Extremadura, Andalucía con sus nativos regionales y además que los andaluces, gallegos, extremeños o murcianos que están en Cataluña están en su país, no están en el extranjero y todos los españoles se pueden mover libremente por el territorio nacional, así que mañana mismo me puedo ir a vivir a cualquier región de España, ese concepto has de tenerlo en cuenta.

Charnegos eran los hijos de padre catalán y madre de otra región de España o viceversa, jamás llamaron así a cualquiera de otra región que viviera en Cataluña, ahora como casi toda Cataluña es charnega intentan confundir el origen y como utilizaban el término charnego que es como he explicado.

De todas formas que nadie se confunda y crea que los del sur se amedrantan con tantas gilipolleces de los del norte y los tiritos que pegan para mantener los estatus socio-económicos regionales Norte/Sur de la época franquista, olvídalo si crees que a los del sur nos afecta, para que nos humillaran los comentarios o esos bastardos escritos de Jordi Pujol tendrían que nacer 7 veces.

[Gebachs]

They're ethnic Catalans, which is an ethnicity that is part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity that happens to be living in France. The only reason why it's not part of Spain today is because of Catalan political incompetence (which, as almost always, was motivated by economics).



Stop trying to speak for me. You consistently do that. It reveals your weakness. No, they're not Spanish. They're not part of the Spanish meta-ethnicity. Do I need to explain why? Read further.



A shared historical and geographical history stretching back centuries. This is why the kingdoms of Medieval Spain were referred to as 'the Spains.'

So ethnic Catalans who have been living in France for four centuries are Spanish but the people of Ceuta and Melilla who have been living under Spanish domain for more time are not? :icon_lol: One of the first things I said to you is that all you say is illogical bullshit and I still stand by my words.
The definition of ethnicity is very clear and is one people who share an identity, ancestry, language, culture, etc. Pulling another definition out of your ass so you can fit several ethnicities into being Spanish is laughable, specially if you have to manipulate history to include those you desire to be Spanish and exclude those you don't.




Not addressed to me but I can't help but point out the irony that you inadvertently acknowledge it's all about economics. Even your historical reference was motivated by economics.

I'll take your own words: This is your problem: you think your perception defines reality.



To be called Spanish isn't an insult unless you perceive it as an insult.

You're Spanish. That is the historical reality. To be reminded that you're Spanish is simply stating a fact to a child who refuses to accept reality because of their own personal baggage.

It is an insult because you use it as such. It's hard not to interpret your insistence on making me Spanish as a way to say "you're Spanish, fuck you", as if that downgraded me to your level, because being Spanish is a punishment. Typical crab mentality.
I've lurked enough to know how Spanish users in this site are very quick to deny the Spanishness to any Spaniards showing a slight doubt of perceived foreign influence, but when it comes to Catalans even those who have never been Spanish are Spanish while the natives of Ceuta and Melilla are not (some even include Canarians). I get it, you love us because we're successful, have minimal Muslim traces and thus represent a good addition to the Spanish club. But this obsession, besides cringy, is not sustained in anything other than your desires so the reality is that Catalans are Catalans, and Spanish is a invention based on the traits of Castile.

It is very telling that the most belligerent posters in this thread trying to make me Spanish are two wetbacks living in the USA. I'll cite Cánovas del Castillo: Son españoles los que no pueden ser otra cosa.

[Gebachs]

There is quite an assortment of modern Iberian averages on Global25. In the table below I modeled Catalan-speaking populations, two Castilian averages, and one Celtiberian average (Spain_IA). I don't know if you are familiar with the terminology, in case you are not I will explain.

EEF (Early European Farmer) indicates the share of Neolithic Anatolian DNA, this component originated in Anatolia and spread in Europe starting from 6000 BC bringing with it the genetic traces. The closest modern population is the Sardinians.
WHG (Western Hunter Gatherer) indicates the pre-EEF European DNA share. The closest modern population is the Baltic peoples with about 20-25% of their ancestry derived from this component.
ANE (Ancestral North Eurasian) is a component that developed and spread in Eurasia in the late Paleolithic but also in Eastern Europe in its mixed form with WHG (EHG). Early Indo-European speaking peoples who will colonize Europe and later Europeans will contribute to spreading this component everywhere in Europe. Looks like this component is responsible for the presence of blondism in Europeans, but the question is unclear. The closest modern population is the Udmurts.
CHG (Caucasus Hunter Gatherer) is a component that developed in the Caucasus and then spread to Western Asia. Early Indo-Europeans of the Pontic-Caspian steppes also had this component and will bring it to Europe. The closest modern population is the Georgians.
Iran_N is a component named after the Neolithic farmers of Iran and was originally present in Iran and South Central Asia. An influx of peoples who will bring this component and CHG will lead to the birth of the Semitic peoples who will then have contacts with southern Europe and will partially spread this component. The closest modern population is the Makrani.
Middle_East is the Middle Eastern component of the early Neolithic. It was originally only present in the Arabian Peninsula, but will spread somewhat throughout the MENA area and the south of southern Europe. The closest modern population is the Yemenites from Mahra.
Taforalt is a North African Paleolithic component, about 27-30% of the DNA of Moroccans derives from this component. It was originally only present in North Africa, but subsequent contacts (Punics, Roman-period Berbers, Moors) brought it to Iberia and southern Italy.

https://i.imgur.com/XpBmshx.png

In this table instead you can see through clusters how Catalan speakers relate to their ethnically closest neighbors. There is an interesting homogeneity in Iberia.

https://i.imgur.com/l2MXQaS.png

Thanks, finally a non-troll answer.
I disagree about the homogeneity however, the ~0,034 distance between the different Iberian populations is quite large and in fact larger than what separate the Italian regions in the Italian cluster and the Belgian-French-SwissGerman one. I bet that you would find less (genetic) distance from Cork to Berlin than what you find within the Iberian Peninsula.

[Gebachs]

Do you also think that Scottish people are called 'British' as an insult?

Or that Scotland is denied their independence because Scots are seen as superior to other Brits?


'Other Brits' in this case are mainly English people.

The English call the Scottish Scots, not British. In fact the also call themselves English and not British. Being British is reserved for recent immigrants with no roots in the land, because it's a meme identity. Notice how they also don't feel the need to call their language British instead of English and fly proudly English flags.
The English don't give a fuck about the independence of Scotland because they're confident people who know will be fine on their own. That's why they also don't give a fuck about the EU.



The favourite insult of the Spanish toward Catalans: saying you are Jews and tacaños as fuck.

Not my fault that most of Catalans have Andalusian origins, you are so retard you hate yourselves.

Cmon if we were Jews you'd be the first to deny our Spanishness. You're very proud of us and that's why you want to make us your equals no matter what.

[Gebachs]

It amuses me a lot that he complains about the Andalusians and Extremadurans who are there but does not say anything about the Moroccans, Senegaleses, Hindus and Filipinos who were given passports to exercise as separatist electoral force. It will be that for this dude these people are more Catalan than Andalusians.

Where did I complain about Andalusians and Extremadurans? All I said is that they're not Catalans, which should be obvious. All of you have a weird fixation of making up things and then getting mad about those things.



Andalusians, Extremadurians, Galicians, etc. In fact, they could have renounced the privileges offered by the Franco regime and the latter would have bet on another region and would not have received emigration from the rest of Spain.

In the last times yes they have filled Catalonia with Moroccans and other ethnic groups perhaps to counteract the migration of the rest of Spain, but it is not so easy the migration of the rest of Spain is already integrated and mixed with the Catalans especially in Barcelona province, yes it can be true that the independence madness can try to make feel the Andalusian migration as you say that Filipinos, Moroccans and. t.c. for the Catalans they are as foreigners as the migration of the rest of Spain, but it is already something of design, I do not believe that they really feel it and it remains in cheap politics.

Imagine you think that the Andalusians, Extremadurians, Galicians living in Catalonia are going to allow anyone to look down on them, do not be confused, they are very proud and brave people, no one, absolutely no one will look down on them.

Bullshit, the last thing they want is to become independent, they do want to hold the state in check to obtain privileges, so their voters are totally deceived.

Pero ya los andaluces estamos cansados de todos ellos y vamos a pegar un chapazo que va a cagar la perra.

This post must be the epitome of Spanishness: an enormous inferiority complex hidden pathetically behind a facade of lies. You try to hardest to fuck us up, fail, and then claim that our accomplishments are thanks to you and that we're guilty of the by-products of your fuckery. Very Spanish.


Hasta el punto de que España se dió el lujo de ceder Santo Domingo, su primer puesto ultramarino en América, a la Francia en partes en par de ocasiones (1697 y 1795) con tal que Cataluña no fuese francesa ahora.

And Portugal. Such is the obsession with keeping us under the boot is Spain. The leechers can't keep sucking Catalan blood.

[Gebachs]

What is amusing about typical Catalan separatist retardation is the argument Madrid/Franco had some master plan to swamp Catalonia with people from other regions. Catalunya and the Basque lands are in a perfect position (both border France and so it's an economic link to the rest of Europe and the sea). So it shouldn't be surprising that Franco's economic policies favor heavily these two regions. It's also not surprising that if you don't have sufficient labor it has to come from somewhere else and that would mean migrants from regions that don't have the geographical benefits of the Basque lands and Catalunya.

This is all common sense but common sense is what is lacking in most people. As well as a basic understanding of economics.

You're all so retarded that defend at the same that the link with Europe is the cause of Catalan and Basque economic development and at the same time that it was protectionism, which cut dry these historical economic links with Europe. Also that free trade with America was the source of Catalan wealth, forgetting that Catalonia faces the Mediterranean and is the furthest away from America. Why didn't Galicia or Andalusia develop industry and sold their products with the American colonies since they were much better positioned geographically? Any excuse is good to downplay others' accomplishment while ignoring one's worthlessness, right?
You say Franco favoured us but Catalonia in the Basque country were the only two regions that were already developed before Franco took power. In fact, none of the francoist development plans went to Catalonia or the Basque Country. Imagine the mental retardation to suggest that Franco loved Catalans and Basques :crazy:
https://slideplayer.es/14368960/89/images/slide_51.jpg
It's also extremely retarded to say that with 3 millions inhabitants Catalonia had before Franco, we needed the 2 million "workers" this fucker send here.

Everything is illogical bullshit none with an IQ over 80 would say. A facade of lies to hide a massive inferiority complex. I'm sorry you're a filthy wetback from a stinky underdeveloped shithole, but it's not my fault.

[gixajo]

Where did I complain about Andalusians and Extremadurans? All I said is that they're not Catalans, which should be obvious. All of you have a weird fixation of making up things and then getting mad about those things.




This post must be the epitome of Spanishness: an enormous inferiority complex hidden pathetically behind a facade of lies. You try to hardest to fuck us up, fail, and then claim that our accomplishments are thanks to you and that we're guilty of the by-products of your fuckery. Very Spanish.



And Portugal. Such is the obsession with keeping us under the boot is Spain. The leechers can't keep sucking Catalan blood.

What did you say about trolling answers?

Are you 100% Catalan? I don´t remember if you posted your Gedmatch results...

[Juan Lacas]

Where did I complain about Andalusians and Extremadurans? All I said is that they're not Catalans, which should be obvious. All of you have a weird fixation of making up things and then getting mad about those things.

Son en todo caso más catalanes que esos "nous catalans" a quienes ustedes miran con simpatía por el simple hecho de apoyar el separatismo.

[Russki]

The English don't give a fuck about the independence of Scotland


Stopped reading.

You are utterly useless.

[Gallop]

You're all so retarded that defend at the same that the link with Europe is the cause of Catalan and Basque economic development and at the same time that it was protectionism, which cut dry these historical economic links with Europe. Also that free trade with America was the source of Catalan wealth, forgetting that Catalonia faces the Mediterranean and is the furthest away from America. Why didn't Galicia or Andalusia develop industry and sold their products with the American colonies since they were much better positioned geographically? Any excuse is good to downplay others' accomplishment while ignoring one's worthlessness, right?
You say Franco favoured us but Catalonia in the Basque country were the only two regions that were already developed before Franco took power. In fact, none of the francoist development plans went to Catalonia or the Basque Country. Imagine the mental retardation to suggest that Franco loved Catalans and Basques :crazy:
https://slideplayer.es/14368960/89/images/slide_51.jpg
It's also extremely retarded to say that with 3 millions inhabitants Catalonia had before Franco, we needed the 2 million "workers" this fucker send here.

Everything is illogical bullshit none with an IQ over 80 would say. A facade of lies to hide a massive inferiority complex. I'm sorry you're a filthy wetback from a stinky underdeveloped shithole, but it's not my fault.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KC8aPwFA_0&t=204s

Catalonia receives Franco in praise of the crowds

Emotional applause and tears at the visit of Generalissimo Francisco Franco

Well Catalonia could have said to Franco: Do not industrialize us because we do not want to receive emigration from other regions of Spain and now they would be like Galicia or Andalusia with their entire native regional population.

You can't keep making people dizzy in this way or black and white, not changing your mind every two or three decades as it suits you and for the sole purpose of maintaining privileges, is unconstitutional.

[Juan Lacas]

Stopped reading.

You are utterly useless.

My friend I remind you that you are talking with a Catalan separatist, these people live in a fantasy fed with lies, they are not really aware of reality.

[Juan Lacas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KC8aPwFA_0&t=204s

Catalonia receives Franco in praise of the crowds

Ni siquiera sé por qué se esfuerza en negar lo evidente cuando hay más que pruebas de lo beneficiada que salió Cataluña con el régimen de Franco. A quién se pensará que engaña.

[Gebachs]

Stopped reading.

You are utterly useless.

Nah, you stopped reading at the end but you know I'm right so this pathetic answer is all you got. If the English were lazy leeches and depended on the productive Scots, of course they would act the same way as the Spanish, but that's not the case.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KC8aPwFA_0&t=204s

Catalonia receives Franco in praise of the crowds

Are you taking the propaganda issued during a dictatorship as the proof of how things were during those times? CRINGE

[gixajo]

You're all so retarded that defend at the same that the link with Europe is the cause of Catalan and Basque economic development and at the same time that it was protectionism, which cut dry these historical economic links with Europe. Also that free trade with America was the source of Catalan wealth, forgetting that Catalonia faces the Mediterranean and is the furthest away from America. Why didn't Galicia or Andalusia develop industry and sold their products with the American colonies since they were much better positioned geographically? Any excuse is good to downplay others' accomplishment while ignoring one's worthlessness, right?
You say Franco favoured us but Catalonia in the Basque country were the only two regions that were already developed before Franco took power. In fact, none of the francoist development plans went to Catalonia or the Basque Country. Imagine the mental retardation to suggest that Franco loved Catalans and Basques :crazy:
https://slideplayer.es/14368960/89/images/slide_51.jpg
It's also extremely retarded to say that with 3 millions inhabitants Catalonia had before Franco, we needed the 2 million "workers" this fucker send here.

Everything is illogical bullshit none with an IQ over 80 would say. A facade of lies to hide a massive inferiority complex. I'm sorry you're a filthy wetback from a stinky underdeveloped shithole, but it's not my fault.


Ahora ya me queda más que claro para qué has venido.

[Gallop]

So much so that he came here so that foreigners would give away their ears telling him that Catalonia is different, because in Apricity you can't miss some good pictures.

Catalonia
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vJV06zsFucs/mqdefault.jpg

Andalusia
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/fran-cayetano-perdonan-isabel-pantoja-1622574356.jpg

Can anyone believe that with these faces and bodies no Andalusian emigrated to Catalonia is going to feel self-conscious, quite the contrary, my dears.

No one was born who

[Gebachs]

Ahora ya me queda más que claro para qué has venido.

I've come for the reason stated in the first post but Spaniards can't help themselves and must show their massive inferiority complex at the mere sight of a Catalan. Look at who derailed the thread every single time, it was not me. The insecurities run so deep in the Spanish brain that me saying anything forces them to invent stuff about the economic prowess of Catalonia and other off-topic lies.
I'm the only one who demanded a moderator to clean the thread but I see this is forum is a desert.

[gixajo]

Aparte de las etapas en las que se ha permitido la legislación especial que constituyen las instituciones forales o pseudoforales vascas, navarras y catalanas (privilegio otorgado por la corona), tanto Cataluña como País Vasco han sido las privilegiadas en planes de industrialización implementados desde el Estado Español (con el tipo de gobierno que tuviera en cada momento).

https://i.postimg.cc/1tQtD7L3/desarrolloindustrialespa-a.png (https://postimages.org/)picture upload (https://postimages.org/es/)

Y por si tienes duda de a quien deben las regiones más ricas su riqueza aparte de los privilegios anteriormente citados, puedes echar un vistazo a esto:


En general, el movimiento ha sido desde
Andalucía-Extremadura y Galicia hacia los núcleos tradicionales de industrialización: Cataluña, las provincias
vascas y Madrid (tabla 1.30).

https://i.postimg.cc/htNbRg7Z/inmigracioninterior.png (https://postimages.org/)

En cuanto a quien se iban a beneficiar según la gente. "Los que siempre se acaban beneficiando, incluso aunque no estén en los planes ni se divulgue" (igual que hoy).

https://i.postimg.cc/Fzgd8XXq/percepcion.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Gebachs]

So much so that he came here so that foreigners would give away their ears telling him that Catalonia is different, because in Apricity you can't miss some good pictures.

Catalonia
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vJV06zsFucs/mqdefault.jpg

Andalusia
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/fran-cayetano-perdonan-isabel-pantoja-1622574356.jpg

Can anyone believe that with these faces and bodies no Andalusian emigrated to Catalonia is going to feel self-conscious, quite the contrary, my dears.

No one was born who


This post is a perfect example of what I was saying.

- Catalan asks for genetic results of Catalans
- Spaniards' inferiority complex forces them to say that Catalans are Spaniards, derailing the thread
- Catalan explains that Spain is a state and not an ethnicity while Catalan is an ethnicity
- Spaniards proceed making up lies about Catalonia, derailing even more the thread
- Catalan refutes them
- Spaniards' massive inferiority complex kicks in to the max and frantically start spouting more 70 IQ lies and posting pictures of Spaniards while lying and saying they're Catalans, because everybody knows Spaniards are dark, poor and short third-worlders who like to pretend they're something else, so using your own people to downgrade others is what a worthless stupid individual with a massive inferiority complex would do

[Gebachs]

Aparte de las etapas en las que se ha permitido la legislación especial que constituyen las instituciones forales o pseudoforales vascas, navarras y catalanas (privilegio otorgado por la corona), tanto Cataluña como País Vasco han sido las privilegiadas en planes de industrialización implementados desde el Estado Español (con el tipo de gobierno que tuviera en cada momento).

https://i.postimg.cc/1tQtD7L3/desarrolloindustrialespa-a.png (https://postimages.org/)picture upload (https://postimages.org/es/)

Y por si tienes duda de a quien deben las regiones más ricas su riqueza aparte de los privilegios anteriormente citados, puedes echar un vistazo a esto:



https://i.postimg.cc/htNbRg7Z/inmigracioninterior.png (https://postimages.org/)

En cuanto a quien se iban a beneficiar según la gente. "Los que siempre se acaban beneficiando, incluso aunque no estén en los planes ni se divulgue" (igual que hoy).

https://i.postimg.cc/Fzgd8XXq/percepcion.png (https://postimages.org/)

You Spaniards are lazy retarded leeches so that's why you think any kind of development is the result of the state/dictator/God. Your slave mentality can't grasp the idea of regular people being innovative and hard-working and evolving together as a society.

You're posting the explanation of industrial developments as if they were government plans, WTF. You say that receiving millions of illiterate unskilled peasants was good for the economy of Catalonia, WTF. You post the first irrelevant garbage you find in an attempt to make it seem like Catalonia owes its development to some kind of God that is Spanish instead of the idiosyncrasy of the Catalan people, WTF.

What's funny is that if you thought we were really Spanish then you'd be open and sincere about Catalonia's accomplishments because you would consider them to be part of your own.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Thanks, finally a non-troll answer.
I disagree about the homogeneity however, the ~0,034 distance between the different Iberian populations is quite large and in fact larger than what separate the Italian regions in the Italian cluster and the Belgian-French-SwissGerman one. I bet that you would find less (genetic) distance from Cork to Berlin than what you find within the Iberian Peninsula.

Perhaps the clusters were a bit misleading. Let's be clear, I'm not questioning the national identity of Catalans, I'm just saying that ethnically they are less differentiated from the rest of the Iberians than claimed.

I merged the 2 Castilian averages together to create a kind of Spanish proxy.


Spanish_Castilla,0.1116414,0.1459401,0.04041465,-0.00269165,0.0429436,-0.00147585,-0.00171355,0.0031729,0.02653685,0.0315799,-0.00221925,0.0082675,-0.013683,-0.0122025,0.0112705,-0.00380075,-0.00640495,-0.00096065,-0.00232535,-0.00149035,0.002875,0.0002885,0.0001335,-0.00322815,-0.0019159

If we take Spanish_Barcelones as a proxy for Catalans, we have a distance of 1.84


Distance to: Spanish_Castilla
0.00842115 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.00842115 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.00990221 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01007623 Spanish_Galicia
0.01125503 Spanish_Valencia
0.01221750 Portuguese
0.01266978 Spanish_Aragon
0.01280582 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01284652 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01431991 Spanish_Alacant
0.01518067 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01530672 Spanish_Menorca
0.01598230 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01613964 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01614413 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01644770 Spanish_Murcia
0.01661258 Spanish_Lleida
0.01683041 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01743716 Spanish_Baleares
0.01746541 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01838582 Spanish_Barcelones
0.01859604 Spanish_Mallorca
0.01883606 Spanish_Girona
0.01957231 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.01972181 Spanish_Castello
0.02004669 Spanish_Penedes
0.02054450 Spanish_Navarra
0.02071737 Spanish_Catalunya_Central

The distance between the Irish average and the average for northeast Germany (Hamburg, which includes East German immigrants) is almost twice as much (3.03)


Distance to: Irish
0.02834397 German
0.03031386 German_Hamburg
0.03557018 German_Erlangen
0.04221782 German_East

Castilians and Catalans are more related to each other than Lombards are to Venetians.


Distance to: Italian_Lombardy
0.01352497 Italian_Bergamo
0.01687109 Italian_Emilia-Liguria
0.02034134 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02095101 Italian_Veneto
0.02269847 French_Corsica
0.02513039 Italian_Tuscany
0.02584509 Swiss_Italian
0.02752343 Spanish_Menorca
0.02759059 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02934207 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02965656 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02969790 Spanish_Baleares
0.03089694 Italian_Northeast

[gixajo]

This post is a perfect example of what I was saying.

- Catalan asks for genetic results of Catalans
- Spaniards' inferiority complex forces them to say that Catalans are Spaniards, derailing the thread
- Catalan explains that Spain is a state and not an ethnicity while Catalan is an ethnicity
- Spaniards proceed making up lies about Catalonia, derailing even more the thread
- Catalan refutes them
- Spaniards' massive inferiority complex kicks in to the max and frantically start spouting more 70 IQ lies and posting pictures of Spaniards while lying and saying they're Catalans, because everybody knows Spaniards are dark, poor and short third-worlders who like to pretend they're something else, so using your own people to downgrade others is what a worthless stupid individual with a massive inferiority complex would do

I didn´t say to you that Catalans are Spaniards, at least I wouldn´t say in any politic sense, but Catalans and Spaniards are in the same genetic category, because most of Spaniards and Catalans are indistinguishable or at least have a large degree of overlapping.

And that any Iberian, including the Basques that could be among Iberians the most special group (again, genetically), have more in common with another Iberian than with any group or category outside of what is called "Iberian" (I have some doubts with some Italian regions).

Pero bueno, si te sirve de consuelo, también soy capaz de ver las embestidas a cabezazos del lado contrario. ¿Porqué no dejamos de una vez el lado político y nos centramos en el tema que se supone que hay que discutir?

[Leto]

Amigos, just report the troll, so that he gets banned sooner. Of course in case you find the trolling annoying or offensive.

[Leto]

So much so that he came here so that foreigners would give away their ears telling him that Catalonia is different, because in Apricity you can't miss some good pictures.

Catalonia
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vJV06zsFucs/mqdefault.jpg

Are you sure these guys are not Gitanos? They're swarthy as a motherfucker.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You're all so retarded that defend at the same that the link with Europe is the cause of Catalan and Basque economic development and at the same time that it was protectionism, which cut dry these historical economic links with Europe.

I suppose it's also retarded to be shocked that northern Mexico is more economically developed than southern Mexico. You want your industry nearest to the economic heartbeat of an area for cheaper transportation. For Mexico, it's the US instead of Central American nations. For Spain, it's the rest of Europe than North Africa.

You're clearly ignorant of economics. Protectionism is to protect particular industries from competition. It doesn't mean all economic activity between nations ends.



Also that free trade with America was the source of Catalan wealth, forgetting that Catalonia faces the Mediterranean and is the furthest away from America. Why didn't Galicia or Andalusia develop industry and sold their products with the American colonies since they were much better positioned geographically? Any excuse is good to downplay others' accomplishment while ignoring one's worthlessness, right?

Once again, Catalonia had easier access to European markets by sea and land. Galicia and Andalusia don't have land access to the rest of Europe. In conflict, there is the risk of attacks on shipping. When you have access to land and sea you have options.



You say Franco favoured us but Catalonia in the Basque country were the only two regions that were already developed before Franco took power.

Since the start of the 18th century, the Spanish governments have favored the Basque lands and Catalunya because, as I said, they have access to land and sea. As I said, cheaper to export goods to the European market from Catalunya than from Andalusia. Franco wasn't the first to understand the obvious and put economic policies in place that would further support economic growth. Ironically the best thing to happen to the Catalans was the Borbon's centralizing state power and their peaceful relationship with their French family.


In fact, none of the francoist development plans went to Catalonia or the Basque Country. Imagine the mental retardation to suggest that Franco loved Catalans and Basques :crazy:
https://slideplayer.es/14368960/89/images/slide_51.jpg

I don't even know what you're showing me and I doubt you do also. Maybe you should post a link to your source where I can get more information and see the context.

It's well known Franco's economic policies benefited the Basque land and Catalunya. It's not even debated except by people like yourself who put emotion ahead of facts.

How the Catalan economy benefited under Franco – and what this means for the ongoing stalemate (https://theconversation.com/how-the-catalan-economy-benefited-under-franco-and-what-this-means-for-the-ongoing-stalemate-85943)

The above link will educate you on the economic benefits Catalunya has received since the 18th century and not just from Franco.




It's also extremely retarded to say that with 3 millions inhabitants Catalonia had before Franco, we needed the 2 million "workers" this fucker send here.


It sounds retarded if you're ignorant of how economic growth works.


Everything is illogical bullshit none with an IQ over 80 would say. A facade of lies to hide a massive inferiority complex. I'm sorry you're a filthy wetback from a stinky underdeveloped shithole, but it's not my fault.

I'm sorry that you're ignorant of economics. Maybe you'll be better educated if you rage harder. I'll recommend you a book.

Basic Economics (https://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-Thomas-Sowell/dp/0465060730) by Thomas Sowell

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Amigos, just report the troll, so that he gets banned sooner. Of course in case you find the trolling annoying or offensive.

He's not a troll. He's just stupid. People like SangreAzul should be banned because they're fake. Gebachs is a legitimate person. Even a fool has a right to speak his mind.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

So ethnic Catalans who have been living in France for four centuries are Spanish but the people of Ceuta and Melilla who have been living under Spanish domain for more time are not? :icon_lol: One of the first things I said to you is that all you say is illogical bullshit and I still stand by my words.
The definition of ethnicity is very clear and is one people who share an identity, ancestry, language, culture, etc. Pulling another definition out of your ass so you can fit several ethnicities into being Spanish is laughable, specially if you have to manipulate history to include those you desire to be Spanish and exclude those you don't.

Notice he didn't address what I said about meta-ethnicity.



I'll take your own words: This is your problem: you think your perception defines reality.

It is an insult because you use it as such. It's hard not to interpret your insistence on making me Spanish as a way to say "you're Spanish, fuck you", as if that downgraded me to your level, because being Spanish is a punishment. Typical crab mentality.
I've lurked enough to know how Spanish users in this site are very quick to deny the Spanishness to any Spaniards showing a slight doubt of perceived foreign influence, but when it comes to Catalans even those who have never been Spanish are Spanish while the natives of Ceuta and Melilla are not (some even include Canarians). I get it, you love us because we're successful, have minimal Muslim traces and thus represent a good addition to the Spanish club. But this obsession, besides cringy, is not sustained in anything other than your desires so the reality is that Catalans are Catalans, and Spanish is a invention based on the traits of Castile.

It is very telling that the most belligerent posters in this thread trying to make me Spanish are two wetbacks living in the USA. I'll cite Cánovas del Castillo: Son españoles los que no pueden ser otra cosa.

Instead of addressing what I said he rages and ironically proved me right.

[Russki]

I agree that the more Northern people are genetically, the more industrial and hard-working they are.

The problem with Catalans is that they're only slightly more Northern than Spaniards.

[gixajo]

You Spaniards are lazy retarded leeches so that's why you think any kind of development is the result of the state/dictator/God. Your slave mentality can't grasp the idea of regular people being innovative and hard-working and evolving together as a society.

You're posting the explanation of industrial developments as if they were government plans, WTF. You say that receiving millions of illiterate unskilled peasants was good for the economy of Catalonia, WTF. You post the first irrelevant garbage you find in an attempt to make it seem like Catalonia owes its development to some kind of God that is Spanish instead of the idiosyncrasy of the Catalan people, WTF.

What's funny is that if you thought we were really Spanish then you'd be open and sincere about Catalonia's accomplishments because you would consider them to be part of your own.


You must be trolling, it´s impossible even for a true fanatic independentist be so brainwashed.

Well, you can be also a clear example of the effect that 44 years of nationalist domination in a society has on ordinary people. It's hard for me to believe that you believe actually what you are saying.

All this it´s a joke, isn´t it?

You are out of reality, you live in a delirious reverie, you are very funny.

[Juan Lacas]

Meta-ethnicity is a bullshit. You took that out of your ass because it is impossible to defend that several different peoples with several different languages, identities and cultures, all form a single Spanish ethnicity.

Más bien son ustedes quienes reducen una nación o etnia a una lengua. En Alemania se hablan dos variedades germánicas bien distinguidas, el alto alemán (del que parte el alemán estándar) y el bajo alemán o sajón (bastante más cercano al neerlandés que al alto alemán); es más, el alto alemán está dividido en numerosos dialectos muchas veces ininteligibles mutuamente, así el austrobávaro por ejemplo lo tienen que subtitular en televisión, y a pesar de todo esto nadie duda de que los alemanes son una sola etnia y una nación.

En Escocia pasa igual, tienes por un lado a los hablantes de gaélico, por otro a los hablantes de angloescocés o scouts, y hasta el siglo XIX teníamos a los hablantes de norn en las Shetland y las Órcadas, pero nadie duda de que los escoceses son un solo pueblo y una sola nación. O igual que Francia, donde las lenguas de oïl son también bastante diferentes entre sí, pero nunca un normando, un picardo o un poitevino van a negar su condición de franceses. Y qué tú me dices de Italia, donde la brecha no sólo genética (los italianos del sur son más próximos genéticamente a los griegos que a los italianos del norte) sino también lingüística (tienes lenguas galioitalianas, suritalianas y retorromances) es enorme? Y sin embargo todos italianos, incluso la Liga Norte abandonó su discurso separatista.

Solo un grupo de brutos representantes del peor aldeanismo puede sostener la supuesta condición de nación de un territorio en base a una lengua, máxime cuando se trata de una lengua bastante cercana a las de su entorno. La cuestión se vuelve aún más sangrante cuando las diferencias culturales son mínimas y en buena parte inventadas hace no más de 150 años, y cuando no hay una diferencia genética como ya te mostraron.

[Leto]

They're the children of a Spanish singer known as Dyango (his real name is José Gómez Romero). They're not Catalan or gypsies but Andalusians.
You just got fucking banned. Why are you such a shameless dipshit? I'm reporting you as we speak.

[Leto]

They're the children of a Spanish singer known as Dyango (his real name is José Gómez Romero). They're not Catalan or gypsies but Andalusians.
You just got fucking banned. Why are you such a shameless dipshit? I'm reporting you as we speak.

[Leto]

I agree that the more Northern people are genetically, the more industrial and hard-working they are.

The problem with Catalans is that they're only slightly more Northern than Spaniards.
Spaniards can be Northern too. Northern Spain is not only Catalonia.

[Russki]

Spaniards can be Northern too. Northern Spain is not only Catalonia.


What are you trying to say?

[Leto]

What are you trying to say?
There are other provinces/regions in Northern Spain, not only Catalonia.

[Russki]

There are other provinces/regions in Northern Spain, not only Catalonia.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in Iberia it's not only North vs South, but also West vs East.

Spaniards are more Northern-shifted than the Portuguese, even though they live on the same latitude.

[Leto]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in Iberia it's not only North vs South, but also West vs East.

Spaniards are more Northern-shifted than the Portuguese, even though they live on the same latitude.
Yes, that's 'cause of the North African influence which appears to be the most pronounced in Portugal and Galicia.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/pq-imgs/images/quizzes/spain-map.jpg-14099.jpg

[Juan Lacas]

Quien ha dicho nada de reducirlo todo a la lengua? Esto te lo estás inventando tú solo. Muchos vascos y gallegos se han pasado al castellano y no por eso dejan de ser vascos y gallegos. No existen catalanes que tengan como lengua materna el castellano, pero si un tipo llamado Pedro Ferrer Comas me dice que es catalán entonces le diré que tiene razón.

Aún me estoy preguntando entonces qué tienen los catalanes que les hace ser una nación distinta del resto de España si no es la lengua.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in Iberia it's not only North vs South, but also West vs East.

Spaniards are more Northern-shifted than the Portuguese, even though they live on the same latitude.

In Spain there are more differences from east to west than from north to south. A Western Andalusian has more things in common with a Leonese than with an Eastern Andalusian.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I thought it was because northern Mexicans have higher % of European blood while southern Mexicans are more native and African.

It would be foolish to industrialize the southern part of Mexico because it's further away from the American market. I understand that people like yourself need to wrap everything into a racial argument because you're limited in your education.


So it's not a grand plan elaborated by the government to develop certain regions economically but the result of the worth of its inhabitants. Aren't Catalans and Basques the most genetically European peoples within Spain and who have less MENA influx?

If you want to get all racial with me you'd have to address the similarity in IQ between Spaniards. Northern Spain, regardless of economic output by the region, has similar IQ averages. In fact, old Castile scores the highest. Southern Spain had a brain drain with generally more ambitious and intelligent individuals moving to Valencia, Madrid, and Catalunya.


Spanish protectionism was the answer to Castilian landlords who complaining that they couldn't compete with the lower prices coming from Eastern Europe.

Your initial argument failed and so now you moved on to an irrelevant argument. No one is claiming there weren't other protectionist policies to assist invested interests elsewhere.


And none stopped anyone from mass producing textiles so saying that protectionism was enacted to benefit Catalonia is yet another another illogical bullshit.

Catalunya was the heart of the Spanish textile industry. What benefits Catalunya benefits Spain. Catalunya bordering France (access to European markets) makes transportation cheaper. I don't understand why you have such difficulty understanding basic economics.


Don't make poor excuses. Galicia and Andalusia had plenty of neighbouring lands and access to the sea to commerce with other countries and they were the best positioned to dominated trade with America. If they didn't it's because Galicians and Andalusians are kind of slow.

Galicia and Andalusia don't border France (the connection to the European market). That makes them not in the best position.


In fact it was Catalans who kickstarted Galician industrialization, the Port of Vigo explains it to you: https://www.puertodevigo.com/origenes-del-puerto-de-vigo/

This is true. Catalunya was much more developed than Galicia and with economic development comes better education and skills. As I pointed out, in the 18th century Catalunya not only has access to the sea but borders France. Spain and France were allies until the French Revolution and so there was peace on the border. There is no economic disruption to trade. Galicia not only doesn't border France but is subject to attacks on shipping during conflicts of which there were many between the UK and Spain (between England, Dutch, and France prior to the 18th century).


Everything with you guys is going on circles with the same poor excuses. Only a very stupid person would say the Spanish monarchs, Franco or whatever Spanish wanted to benefit Catalans and Basques. The reality is quite the contrary but at the end the smartest and hardest working people succeed while the lazy and stupid do not. Of course other than swearing there were massive unexplained favours, you have nothing.

'Muh ethnicity!" isn't an argument. You can masturbate about being Catalan elsewhere.




That picture are the Planes de Desarrollo, where Franco's dictatorhip planned to develop industry. All in Castile, Galicia and Andalusia.

You can't give me the source so that I can understand the context?


You're a very low IQ and worthless individual who carry a huge inferiority complex, like most Spaniards, so you feel the need to say the most absurd thing to deny the accomplishments of others while making excuses for your failures. Stop repeating the same over and over again because there is no higher entity that develop a region because of favouritism while impoverishing another. Galicia was poor because its inhabitants were unable to develop their own land and you emigrated to the USA because you were unable to pull yourself ahead in life without the help of others. It is what it is.

You spend more time raging than giving arguments.




It sounds like only a very retarded individual would defend that Catalonia in 1940 and with less than 3 millions inhabitants needed 2 millions workers. Guess what? None came with a contract or a job offer.

Your ignorance of economics is just amazing. Many Mexicans also didn't immigrate to the US because there was a contract but it was understood that there were jobs available by word of mouth.


Instead sounds much more plausible that a dictatorship would colonize an unruly region with a different people, language and culture with members of the national majority.

People don't just randomly leave their homes to go elsewhere. I find it amusing that you won't accept economic causes but you will accept that government officials were convincing people to leave their homes to go to another region where they just happen to find work. This grand scheme done in silence, of course.

So unruly that while the ETA was fighting for independence Catalan Nationalists - of which there were barely any - sat there twiddling their thumbs instead of taking up arms.

The actions of the people do not match your words.


Why don't you pack your bags and get back to Spain with that knowledge? I mean you can say whatever you want but the parasite who has gone to another country to leech and live of their society is you.

I was born and raised in the US. I don't live off of anyone. I could buy and sell your family ten times over. The irony is the leech here is you. Your sense of self is wrapped up in your ethnicity instead of your own accomplishments. This is typical of failures. They have nothing to point to in their own lives to take pride and so they're all about "muh ethnicity."


Meta-ethnicity is a bullshit. You took that out of your ass because it is impossible to defend that several different peoples with several different languages, identities and cultures, all form a single Spanish ethnicity. You can't make a sole sentence without saying illogical bullshit.
How crazy it is that you're a starving leech who moved to the USA at the first chance because Spain is a shithole and yet here you are inventing the most stupid stuff to justify that we Catalans are and must remain in the shithole that you couldn't stand. Where is ICE when you need them.

You sound mad.

The irony is you represent a Spanish stereotype: that of the raging fanatic.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I know, this site sucks. People flood my thread with garbage, I ask mods to clean it and nothing. You call me motherfucker in a previous post and it is still there. I defend myself alone and I'm the one who got banned. What a filthy forum of freaks.

I laughed so hard at the bold.

"I insult everyone who gives me a different view from my own but you called me a motherfucker!" - Gebachs

I approached you respectfully in another thread and you insulted me. I didn't cry about it like you're doing here over Leto's insult and I certainly didn't go running to a mod because of it. I just insulted you back. If you don't want to be called a motherfucker, then don't start shit with people.

https://i.imgflip.com/28fj3w.jpg

Keep crying.

[Defcon2]

I thought it was because northern Mexicans have higher % of European blood while southern Mexicans are more native and African. So it's not a grand plan elaborated by the government to develop certain regions economically but the result of the worth of its inhabitants. Aren't Catalans and Basques the most genetically European peoples within Spain and who have less MENA influx?
Spanish protectionism was the answer to Castilian landlords who complaining that they couldn't compete with the lower prices coming from Eastern Europe. And none stopped anyone from mass producing textiles so saying that protectionism was enacted to benefit Catalonia is yet another another illogical bullshit.


What is the point of eurocentric racism? Japan, China and Indonesia are not European and have achieved economic milestones.

[Leto]

I swear in English just for the fun of it. Or should I say for the fuck of it. It's nothing personal. :)

[Defcon2]

What a filthy forum of freaks.

Le habló la sartén al cazo.

[Gallop]

Are you sure these guys are not Gitanos? They're swarthy as a motherfucker.


I have never heard any comment about it, the father of the children is the Catalan singer Dyango and the mother is Lydia Llunas also catalan.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZKspZTohEvcgy6bsng3Ax7Z7xepwBa 3_HSw&usqp=CAU
Father and son behind the colors Blau Grana

[Scandal]

People in this thread:
https://i.imgur.com/PijcGEU.gif

[Scandal]

What is the point of eurocentric racism? Japan, China and Indonesia are not European and have achieved economic milestones.
There aren't East Asians in Mexico (at least not in significant amount).
Indonesia is not really "economically succesful", but it's better than subsaharan african countries.

[SangreAzul]

Are you sure these guys are not Gitanos? They're swarthy as a motherfucker.

No way they arent gitanos, they no way in shape or form fit in a spain. A spain avg is light pale skin, brown hair, but high incidence of blonde hair blue ryes like ireland our neighbor and brother country. So no way is this a spanish no way i dont belueve it and i wont believe it we are of celtic origin and white as paper.

[Leto]

I have never heard any comment about it, the father of the children is the Catalan singer Dyango and the mother is Lydia Llunas also catalan.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZKspZTohEvcgy6bsng3Ax7Z7xepwBa 3_HSw&usqp=CAU
Father and son behind the colors Blau Grana
Then some Spanish people are legit swarthies. Don't get angry with me, I'm talking about the picture you posted yourself.

[Juan Lacas]

Catalonia is a millenary nation populated by Catalans, the native population of this land, who share the same identity, its own language (Catalan), its own names and surnames, culture, tradition, ancestry, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_maiolichinus_de_gestis_Pisanorum_illustribus

Esa misma definición se ajusta también a los castellanos, aragoneses, leoneses... y cómo no, a la de españoles. Pues España es una nación milenaria (de hecho bimilenaria), que tiene una misma identidad (sus habitantes se identifican en su gran mayoría como españoles desde Galicia hasta Cataluña y desde santander hasta Tarifa), en la que, salvo el vascuence, se hablan lenguas romances muy próximas y con alto grado de inteligibilidad mutua (por cierto, ¿no habíamos quedado en que la nación no se circunscribe a la lengua?), con apellidos muy similares, cultura y tradiciones muy similares e incluso idénticas, y por supuesto idéntica ancestría, y de hecho ya te mostraron que las diferencias genéticas son mínimas.


In what do we differ from other peoples of Spain? Everything. The question should be what do we have in common.

¿Qué todo? Aún espero tu respuesta.


should prove that. I can assure you that a western Andalusian doesn't have more things in common with a Leonese than with an eastern Andalusian.

Para empezar, el acento de los andaluces occidentales no se parece nada al de los andaluces occidentales. Los almerienses y granadinos así como los jienenses hablan más parecido a los murcianos que a los sevillanos. Ni siquiera aspiran el sonido J. Aspiración que proviene de la incapacidad de pronunciar la J gutural de los asturleoneses, que la pronunciaban "sh" (aún se pronuncia así en asturleonés) y que, al castellanizarse y tratar de pronunciarla guturalmente, pronuncian de manera aspirada.

Podemos continuar por el folklore, que en Andalucía occidental aún tiene mucho de asturleonés:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lREM_FnzsLI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67YkS_Y6jvo

En la vestimenta típica femenina asturleonesa y gallega destaca una prenda, el dengue (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue_(ropa)#:~:text=El%20dengue%20es%20una%20pre nda%20de%20vestir%20que,y%20sus%20extremos%20se%20 atan%20en%20la%20espalda.), que también existe en Andalucía Occidental, especialmente en Huelva:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-by6sosRosS4/WoqtaUNis3I/AAAAAAAAZ28/PiEbLw1o0oEjUholJAOlElhWh0j7Ox_8gCKgBGAs/s1600/Traje%2Bt%25C3%25ADpico%2Bde%2BHuelva%2B-%2BCromolitograf%25C3%25ADa%2Bde%2BLuis%2BAbarta%2 B%25281895%2529.jpg

Y desde el punto de vista genético un sevillano o un onubense están más cerca de un asturiano o un zamorano que de un jienense o un almeriense.

Más información al respecto aquí (https://www.diariodehuelva.es/2018/10/31/tras-la-influencia-la-cultura-leonesa-la-sierra/) y aquí (https://www.diariodeleon.es/articulo/cultura/laquo-leon-impregna-andalucia-cultura-material-simbolica-medievo-raquo/20081203010000999895.html).

[mitalit]

Then some Spanish people are legit swarthies. Don't get angry with me, I'm talking about the picture you posted yourself.
Yep, those two men are totally Catalan and spanish. Although the little boy is half Peruvian

[Damião de Góis]

It's very easy to find Catalan samples. G25 has loads. On G25 some countries like Spain are not only divided into regions, but inside their regions they also have sub-regional samples from various places.
For example i see there's a North Aragon sample there now.

Other countries are not so fortunate. We have a "Portuguese" sample which includes north, south, central, east, west and islands.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I'm not a fan of Freud but he can be occasionally right. This meeting between him and the Catalan Salvador Dali made me think of Gebachs. I won't be surprised if he returns. It's his nature as a true Spaniard to be a fanatic.


In 1938, the consecration for Dalí meets the psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud.
Following this meeting, Sigmund Freud said: "I have never seen a more perfect specimen of Spanish; what a fanatic!"
https://www.carredartistes.com/en-us/blog/dali-and-the-beyond

[Flashball]

I don't understand his ban.

[Gallop]

Then some Spanish people are legit swarthies. Don't get angry with me, I'm talking about the picture you posted yourself.

No, average or tan tones. There are no naturally dark Spaniards as there may be in other ethnicities, at least that is our perception of what it is to be dark.

https://img.discogs.com/JcwReiMMExz64j17oW7GuoOCrH0=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(40)/discogs-images/A-187069-1579563730-9950.jpeg.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jZrWNB74eR0/hqdefault.jpg

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/191118233759-camilo-jordi-large-169.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTw37CN02LOZZkiJhThr2KEOJ_ALvJLW 9r-VLvHnazwrrkX4Ilw56FDl-OWF1EZ6MDyiAk&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ4bq80J4e0lUSOfIphfQWRjLAZ-ydlml9oyXKk6CGmWQrH7szn99l3rLMxrhA2P5llEA&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX7iUazPK2UTwVddVUJxtISVp3uQv3h xA1D3QKLe9dcqTKzHItrw11Q3JJy6Ifz67Kyts&usqp=CAU

You can see that you sunbathe a lot. I found his face curious and funny. The poor guy didn't make it.

For us dark implies being of another race generally non-European.. We can look dark, "soy moreno, estoy moreno", is something we accept and has no connotations for us. that's why there are many disagreements with other international comments about us.

Dark applied to us is hard for us, we have another perception for dark

[Leto]

No, average or tan tones. There are no naturally dark Spaniards as there may be in other ethnicities, at least that is our perception of what it is to be dark.

You can see that you sunbathe a lot. I found his face curious and funny. The poor guy didn't make it.
Here he is okay, at least nothing extraordinary for the region. Even a certain banned user is a lot darker which is the reason why he is troubled.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I don't understand his ban.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_F6pRMQ72c

Although I disagree with his banning. I enjoy watching chimpouts.

[Wotusk]

No, average or tan tones. There are no naturally dark Spaniards as there may be in other ethnicities, at least that is our perception of what it is to be dark.

https://img.discogs.com/JcwReiMMExz64j17oW7GuoOCrH0=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(40)/discogs-images/A-187069-1579563730-9950.jpeg.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jZrWNB74eR0/hqdefault.jpg

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/191118233759-camilo-jordi-large-169.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTw37CN02LOZZkiJhThr2KEOJ_ALvJLW 9r-VLvHnazwrrkX4Ilw56FDl-OWF1EZ6MDyiAk&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ4bq80J4e0lUSOfIphfQWRjLAZ-ydlml9oyXKk6CGmWQrH7szn99l3rLMxrhA2P5llEA&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX7iUazPK2UTwVddVUJxtISVp3uQv3h xA1D3QKLe9dcqTKzHItrw11Q3JJy6Ifz67Kyts&usqp=CAU

You can see that you sunbathe a lot. I found his face curious and funny. The poor guy didn't make it.

For us dark implies being of another race generally non-European.. We can look dark, "soy moreno, estoy moreno", is something we accept and has no connotations for us. that's why there are many disagreements with other international comments about us.

Dark applied to us is hard for us, we have another perception for dark

Well this guy is kind of swarthy. With a quick Google search I've learned that his notoriety comes from being the son of a Spanish singer of Andalusian origins called Dyango, whose real name is José Gómez Romero. I don't know why you lied saying he is Catalan but whatever.
Dyango takes its stage name from a French gypsy called Django Reinhardt, and knowing all the family are entertainers I wouldn't be surprised if they have quite a lot of gypsy blood.

[Roy]

Well this guy is kind of swarthy. With a quick Google search I've learned that his notoriety comes from being the son of a Spanish singer of Andalusian origins called Dyango, whose real name is José Gómez Romero. I don't know why you lied saying he is Catalan but whatever.
Dyango takes its stage name from a French gypsy called Django Reinhardt, and knowing all the family are entertainers I wouldn't be surprised if they have quite a lot of gypsy blood.

Well, José is dark but still a common kind of dark for a Spanish person.

[Wotusk]

Well, José is dark but still a common kind of dark for a Spanish person.

I know, I just wanted to clarify his origins. It's pretty crazy that an Andalusian posts an Andalusian to make it seem that Catalans are gypsy looking midgets while Andalusians are Chads, only to back-pedal and pretend that the Andalusian he tried to pass as Catalan is not dark dark but tanned.

[Gallop]

Well this guy is kind of swarthy. With a quick Google search I've learned that his notoriety comes from being the son of a Spanish singer of Andalusian origins called Dyango, whose real name is José Gómez Romero. I don't know why you lied saying he is Catalan but whatever.
Dyango takes its stage name from a French gypsy called Django Reinhardt, and knowing all the family are entertainers I wouldn't be surprised if they have quite a lot of gypsy blood.

You do not know how Catalonia or the rest of Spain works. Dyango is a Catalan singer, he is not an Andalusian, nor is he considered Andalusian in Catalonia because as Jordi Pujol said: Everyone who lives and works in Catalonia is Catalan. Dyango even considers himself a separatist and the rest of Spaniards consider him to be Catalan, he never talks about his origins so the rest of Spaniards have no reason to interfere or to know if he does not say so. The mother of the child is Catalan, Llunas is a Catalan surname, perhaps his appearance is from his mother's side. He does not look like his father.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQF4CslS7Slot-1xlEJG9zVLsNBZAQxO7qADg&usqp=CAU

Just as Dyango never mentions his Andalusian origins, he has never mentioned that he has gypsy blood, at least I have never heard it.

[Wotusk]

You do not know how Catalonia or the rest of Spain works. Dyango is a Catalan singer, he is not an Andalusian, nor is he considered Andalusian in Catalonia because as Jordi Pujol said: Everyone who lives and works in Catalonia is Catalan. Dyango even considers himself a separatist and the rest of Spaniards consider him to be Catalan, he never talks about his origins so the rest of Spaniards have no reason to interfere or to know if he does not say so. The mother of the child is Catalan, Llunas is a Catalan surname, perhaps his appearance is from his mother's side. He does not look like his father.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQF4CslS7Slot-1xlEJG9zVLsNBZAQxO7qADg&usqp=CAU

Just as Dyango never mentions his Andalusian origins, he has never mentioned that he has gypsy blood, at least I have never heard it.

I know how it works because it works the same in all the world: your ethnicity never changes. So a person called José Gómez Romero cannot be Catalan, or French, or Japanese. If someone tells you a man called José Gómez Romero has ancestry from any place other than Spanish speaking regions of Spain, he is simply lying.
As for the mother I couldn't find anything about her but must have been the one who passed the phenotype to her son.

[Gallop]

I know how it works because it works the same in all the world: your ethnicity never changes. So a person called José Gómez Romero cannot be Catalan, or French, or Japanese. If someone tells you a man called José Gómez Romero has ancestry from any place other than Spanish speaking regions of Spain, he is simply lying.
As for the mother I couldn't find anything about her but must have been the one who passed the phenotype to her son.

How wrong you are, in Catalonia there are Catalans with some Castilian surname and they are full Catalans and have absolutely no relatives from a modern inter-regional emigration.

[B01AB20]

How wrong you are, in Catalonia there are Catalans with some Castilian surname and they are full Catalans and have absolutely no relatives from a modern inter-regional emigration.

jaja. wotusk parece aquel gebachs... ha vuelto buscando vengansa, y conoce muy bien las narices de España. Cuidado con él.

[Gallop]

jaja. wotusk parece aquel gebachs... ha vuelto buscando vengansa, y conoce muy las narices de España. Cuidado con él.

Conmigo lo lleva claro, lo utilizo para publicitar España, callar unas bocas y abrir otras, en realidad mi mensaje es globalista en casos como este y no es a él a quien me dirijo, es un mero cable de cobre por donde descargo mi electricidad, no debería desvelar mis estrategias, pero bueno total.

[Wotusk]

How wrong you are, in Catalonia there are Catalans with some Castilian surname and they are full Catalans and have absolutely no relatives from a modern inter-regional emigration.
By definition a full Catalan has Catalan surnames. Do you really believe that someone called José Gómez Romero is fully Catalan and has no relatives from modern inter-regional migration? C'mon get real.

[Gallop]

By definition a full Catalan has Catalan surnames. Do you really believe that someone called José Gómez Romero is fully Catalan and has no relatives from modern inter-regional migration? C'mon get real.

Me importa una mierda lo que sea Dyango, aquí el tema es: Does anyone have Catalan autosomal results? así que venga empieza a publicar resultados, estamos impacientes, no hay mejor plan para esta noche que: Does anyone have Catalan autosomal results?

Venga ya! Andalucía va el número uno en todos los ranking, no nos vais a robar ni un céntimo más, que sois exactamente igual que todos ellos, españoles, unos españolazos de cuidado y ya los andaluces estamos muy hartos de todos ustedes, ni un céntimo más nos váis a robar, Espamlla nons roba!

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Well this guy is kind of swarthy. With a quick Google search I've learned that his notoriety comes from being the son of a Spanish singer of Andalusian origins called Dyango, whose real name is José Gómez Romero. I don't know why you lied saying he is Catalan but whatever.
Dyango takes its stage name from a French gypsy called Django Reinhardt, and knowing all the family are entertainers I wouldn't be surprised if they have quite a lot of gypsy blood.

I'm so shocked that I was right.


I'm not a fan of Freud but he can be occasionally right. This meeting between him and the Catalan Salvador Dali made me think of Gebachs. I won't be surprised if he returns. It's his nature as a true Spaniard to be a fanatic.


In 1938, the consecration for Dalí meets the psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud.
Following this meeting, Sigmund Freud said: "I have never seen a more perfect specimen of Spanish; what a fanatic!"
https://www.carredartistes.com/en-us/blog/dali-and-the-beyond

[Cristiano viejo]

Dyango is a famous Catalan separatist :laugh:

https://estaticos-cdn.elperiodico.com/clip/7e02d1cd-ffc0-48a9-9347-f871cc67a19e_16-9-aspect-ratio_default_0.jpg

[Wotusk]

Me importa una mierda lo que sea Dyango, aquí el tema es: Does anyone have Catalan autosomal results? así que venga empieza a publicar resultados, estamos impacientes, no hay mejor plan para esta noche que: Does anyone have Catalan autosomal results?

Venga ya! Andalucía va el número uno en todos los ranking, no nos vais a robar ni un céntimo más, que sois exactamente igual que todos ellos, españoles, unos españolazos de cuidado y ya los andaluces estamos muy hartos de todos ustedes, ni un céntimo más nos váis a robar, Espamlla nons roba!

C'mon it was you who brought him up and lied about his origins so don't tell me you don't give a shit.
I guess I'm too much of a pussy to give my genetic data to multinational companies so I don't have my results. Or maybe I'm cautious and smart, who knows. At least now thanks to this thread I have lots of Catalan data, some very geographically precise, so I can build a proxy for mine without paying Ms. Wojcicki 200$.

[Wotusk]

Dyango is a famous Catalan separatist :laugh:

https://estaticos-cdn.elperiodico.com/clip/7e02d1cd-ffc0-48a9-9347-f871cc67a19e_16-9-aspect-ratio_default_0.jpg

Makes sense, after all it was criollos of pure Spanish ancestry who liberated the American colonies from the claws of Castile. Spain sucks so all Spaniards try to leave at first chance, but some embrace and fight for their new land while others remain starving losers who want the rest to suffer the misery they left behind. Different kind of breeds I guess.

[alnortedelsur]

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Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0.1190875,0.1444591,0.04 21904,0.0020995,0.0442004,-0.0006624,-0.0022031,0.0014423,0.0202734,0.0278592,0.0016238, 0.0059946,-0.0130262,-0.0132119,0.0076174,0.0024861,-0.0017439,0.0010928,-0.0008014,0.0003282,0.0015598,0.0026122,-0.0009399,-0.0049104,-0.0007334
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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6511% / 0.01651088
52.6 Spanish_Pirineu
31.4 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
11.4 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
4.6 Spanish_Barcelones

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5194% / 0.02519402
54.6 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
25.6 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
8.2 Spanish_Pirineu
6.2 Spanish_Cataluna
5.4 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2340% / 0.02233998
76.2 Spanish_Barcelones
23.8 Spanish_Pirineu

Distances

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01727214 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01859632 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01950849 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01976409 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02011638 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02040101 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02066881 Spanish_Lleida
0.02103738 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02141164 Spanish_Penedes
0.02222523 Spanish_Girona

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.02581031 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02654563 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02689513 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02721733 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02832325 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02939673 Spanish_Girona
0.02990785 Spanish_Lleida
0.02992726 Spanish_Penedes
0.03021017 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03024449 Spanish_Catalunya_Central

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02260379 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02490694 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02656490 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02726266 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02729980 Spanish_Lleida
0.02740300 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02865085 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02880920 Spanish_Penedes
0.02918564 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03031888 Spanish_Girona

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 7.5304% / 0.07530431 | R4P
52.2 Spanish_Cataluna
47.8 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.07563519 Spanish_Cataluna
0.07569606 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.07785897 Spanish_Penedes
0.07824142 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.07918813 Spanish_Girona
0.08014591 Spanish_Barcelones
0.08024074 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.08056725 Spanish_Pirineu
0.08057882 Spanish_Lleida
0.08328699 Spanish_Catalunya_Central

[alnortedelsur]

Es que no se trata de aceptar o no, se es o no se es español. En este caso Cataluña está dentro de la Península, mantiene lazos con el resto de territorios españoles desde hace siglos, comparte con ellos una raíz cultural y lingüística romance... ¿en qué no son españoles?



Decirle la verdad. Esta gente vive muy cómoda en su mundo paralelo y odian que se les muestre la verdad.

Y a todo eso le añadiria que son geneticamente lo mismo que el resto de Españoles, les guste o no.

[alnortedelsur]

Nah, you stopped reading at the end but you know I'm right so this pathetic answer is all you got. If the English were lazy leeches and depended on the productive Scots, of course they would act the same way as the Spanish, but that's not the case.



Are you taking the propaganda issued during a dictatorship as the proof of how things were during those times? CRINGE

I know this user is banned, but I find it irritating the ridiculous pretenses of superiority of Catalan separatists like him. Catalans aren't any better (more intelligent, hard working, etc) than other Spaniards. And they are nothing special (including racially/genetically) compared to the rest of Spaniards. I regret that the thumb down function has been disabled.

[Cristiano viejo]

Makes sense, after all it was criollos of pure Spanish ancestry who liberated the American colonies from the claws of Castile. Spain sucks so all Spaniards try to leave at first chance, but some embrace and fight for their new land while others remain starving losers who want the rest to suffer the misery they left behind. Different kind of breeds I guess.

Enjoy your charnegos and specially the half million of Muslims that Qataruña has :thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

I know this user is banned, but I find it irritating the ridiculous pretenses of superiority of Catalan separatists like him. Catalans aren't any better (more intelligent, hard working, etc) than other Spaniards. And they are nothing special (including racially/genetically) compared to the rest of Spaniards. I regret that the thumb down function has been disabled.
Superiority? you serious? Catalans are the perfect definition of stupid people, true lackeys, always at the service of others. First it was Aragón, now it is the whole Spain. Same than Basques with Castilla and Spain.

They have to obey our orders, and if they disobey then we send the army and enclose their leaders, or they have to flee abroad.

Their stupidity is such, that they say that they want to preserve the Catalan culture... and their greatest idea for this was filling Qataruña with Muslims and other immigrants :lightbul:

Today Barcelona is one of the most shitty European cities, full of lefties, feminists, gays, blacks, sudacas, pakis and rest of fauna, thanks their intelligent leaders.

The best thing we can do is separating ourselves of them, Cataluña is a failed region.

[Gallop]

Y a todo eso le añadiria que son geneticamente lo mismo que el resto de Españoles, les guste o no.

Porque te lo mereces te dedico esta canción:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1By9dIHslE

[Gallop]

Charnegos:

The charnegos in Catalonia were the children of a Catalan father and another from another region, now as almost all Catalans have a relative from another region of Spain pretend that the term charnego was for Andalusians, Murcianos, Extremadura, it was never so but if it is so now, then there goes a charnega:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jfOPp4fnOE

The Catalans have never been able to call someone from another region a "charnego", they know why...

[Wotusk]

I know this user is banned, but I find it irritating the ridiculous pretenses of superiority of Catalan separatists like him. Catalans aren't any better (more intelligent, hard working, etc) than other Spaniards. And they are nothing special (including racially/genetically) compared to the rest of Spaniards. I regret that the thumb down function has been disabled.
I think it is the other way around. Spaniards think Catalans are superior and this explains the obsession with making them Spaniards. Let's be honest, if Catalans weren't more intelligent, hard working, successful, whiter, etc. then all Spanish users in this place would be saying that Catalans are aliens without any links in common.




Enjoy your charnegos and specially the half million of Muslims that Qataruña has :thumb001:
Don't worry, we will send all of them back to you. Spanish garbage goes to the Spanish dumpster, recycling is important you know.
And you know what's the funniest thing? Even the worst ghetto in Catalonia full of Spaniards and other brown immigrants is still more advanced than the place you live. No wonder you can't stop coming here (unluckily for us).


Superiority? you serious? Catalans are the perfect definition of stupid people, true lackeys, always at the service of others. First it was Aragón, now it is the whole Spain. Same than Basques with Castilla and Spain.

They have to obey our orders, and if they disobey then we send the army and enclose their leaders, or they have to flee abroad.

Their stupidity is such, that they say that they want to preserve the Catalan culture... and their greatest idea for this was filling Qataruña with Muslims and other immigrants :lightbul:

Today Barcelona is one of the most shitty European cities, full of lefties, feminists, gays, blacks, sudacas, pakis and rest of fauna, thanks their intelligent leaders.

The best thing we can do is separating ourselves of them, Cataluña is a failed region.
The problem with all you say is that you have to be coherent. You can't say we're the worst and repeat over and over again that we're Spaniards and that there is literally 0 differences between Catalans and any Spaniard of any region, you can't leech off us and then say that we're a failed region, you can't defend that Catalonia is Spain and we will always be and obey your orders and then say that you want to separate yourselves from us. You aren't aware of these contradiction because the Spanish IQ is very low.
Trying to hide your huge inferiority complex behind a facade of cheekiness is sooooooo typical Spanish.

[Cristiano viejo]

I think it is the other way around. Spaniards think Catalans are superior and this explains the obsession with making them Spaniards. Let's be honest, if Catalans weren't more intelligent, hard working, successful, whiter, etc. then all Spanish users in this place would be saying that Catalans are aliens without any links in common.
Yeah, and as we think Extremadurans are Spaniards that means they are superior, juas.

You are really stupid, a true Catalan. Not surprised why Qataruña will be the first and I hope the only one Muslim region in Spain.

[Wotusk]

Charnegos:

The charnegos in Catalonia were the children of a Catalan father and another from another region, now as almost all Catalans have a relative from another region of Spain pretend that the term charnego was for Andalusians, Murcianos, Extremadura, it was never so but if it is so now, then there goes a charnega:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jfOPp4fnOE

The Catalans have never been able to call someone from another region a "charnego", they know why...

You're wrong. Xarnego was originally used centuries ago and was a person of mixed Catalan and French origins. Now it is used to describe Spanish immigrants and their children who are not integrated into the Catalan society. Obviously a Spaniard living in their own land is not a xarnego.

[alnortedelsur]

You're wrong. Xarnego was originally used centuries ago and was a person of mixed Catalan and French origins. Now it is used to describe Spanish immigrants and their children who are not integrated into the Catalan society. Obviously a Spaniard living in their own land is not a xarnego.

Spaniards living in Catalonia are also in their own land.

The last time I checked, Catalonia is part of Spain, whether you like it or not :thumb001:

If you don't like to be Spanish, go to a desert island.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I think it is the other way around. Spaniards think Catalans are superior and this explains the obsession with making them Spaniards. Let's be honest, if Catalans weren't more intelligent, hard working, successful, whiter, etc. then all Spanish users in this place would be saying that Catalans are aliens without any links in common.

Historically Catalans were referred to as Spaniards. So it's not Castillians, Andalusians, etc. obsessed with making Catalans Spaniards but rather the historical reality. Once again, you lash out against history but history doesn't change for political aspirations that didn't exist until recently.

How is it that while ETA was actually fighting for independence for decades the very small and insignificant Catalan nationalists did nothing for their own cause? If people aren't willing to take up arms and fight then all that says to everyone is they're just larpers. Your leaders have been arrested and not a single rifle was picked up. Your leaders, btw, who have shown they are favorable to immigration from outside of Europe, which is funny considering your own racism.

[B01AB20]

But who has banned this guy??

Again!!

Why????????????

[Cristiano viejo]

But who has banned this guy??

Again!!

Why????????????

El juez LLarena :rofl:

[B01AB20]

El juez LLarena :rofl:

muy ocurrente si señor. ;)

pero nos han privado de alguien con quien darnos de ostias en plan 'familiar', algo que nos gusta tanto... no hay derecho.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

But who has banned this guy??

Again!!

Why????????????

I don't think he should be banned but once you're banned, you're done. There is no coming back unless Loki makes an exception. Anyway, I predicted he'd come back a third time and I was right. I know the Spanish mentality and this one is more fanatical than the average. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back a fourth time.

[Cristiano viejo]

muy ocurrente si señor. ;)

pero nos han privado de alguien con quien darnos de ostias en plan 'familiar', algo que nos gusta tanto... no hay derecho.

Ya volverá... algún día, como Puigdemont :rofl:

[B01AB20]

I don't think he should be banned but once you're banned, you're done. There is no coming back unless Loki makes an exception. Anyway, I predicted he'd come back a third time and I was right. I know the Spanish mentality and this one is more fanatical than the average. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back a fourth time.

At least I would like to know WHY was he banned. I can't see any reason.

[Leto]

But who has banned this guy??

Again!!

Why????????????
Do you actually like people who sign up specifically to troll your nation? I find that offensive.

[Cristiano viejo]

At least I would like to know WHY was he banned. I can't see any reason.

Hablando en serio ahora, creo que la primera vez que lo banearon fue por su postura atacando a Rusia, algo que al dueño del foro no le agradó.

Y creo que algún usuario lo reportó varias veces.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Do you actually like people who sign up specifically to troll your nation? I find that offensive.

I don't consider him a troll. He was just an obsessive person (typical Spaniard; check out the Freud quote I posted about Dali). These forums attract extreme types and he was more extreme than the extreme. I've come across Catalan nationalists before and this is the first one who was racist. From my experience, they're typically open to all types of people in Catalunya as long as they side with independence. I guarantee this guy is a more tight lip in real life and only lets out what he really thinks in places like 4chan.

btw, it was also obvious he spent a lot of time on 4chan, or similar places. That's why he couldn't make the transition to this forum.


At least I would like to know WHY was he banned. I can't see any reason.

When he initially posted he was chimping out like a lunatic in his responses but it could also be some things he said about the war in Ukraine.

[B01AB20]

Do you actually like people who sign up specifically to troll your nation? I find that offensive.

Yeah. :D

Well many people here like to troll Spain and spaniards for different reasons, but they repeat themselves ad nauseum, they're really boring and unworthy to answer.

But this guy was different, an 'internal' troll with a different POV than the usual chicanos, chileans and other nordicists.

Spanish and catalan nationalists hate each other with a passion :) , and know each other quite well. I was hoping some quality fighting and trolling at last.

and then he was banned. :(