Minor Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) in Poles

[rothaer]

My mother is tested at 23andMe. She’s German but has 1/8 Polish ancestry from the Lodz area, which makes her get some Polish matches. She scores 0.0% AJ. Among her matches I filtered for individuals that do have 4 grandparents born in Poland (--> Ancestor birthplaces), do have their ancestry composition visible and that are not obviously ethnic Germans or Jews.

There are 15 of them. Their ancestry compositions are shown below. According to these a majority of Poles seem to have minor AJ ancestry.

Is this representative?

Can someone who has Polish matches at 23andMe do the same procedure and post the results here or - if it’s too laborious - summarize the findings in words?

https://i.imgur.com/zdmWPKd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/80h20mr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/p3b9o6e.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rqYHQXJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pYOK75l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kTzuv6C.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wqCcb2c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1ZWFTdM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XXcdJxl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z4nf13H.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9T8OMJf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/A5sX34F.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/G9Wsdxa.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JpIQHi7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZVxEvDv.jpg

[Not a Cop]

I noticed the same thing, many Poles have minor AJ ancestry.

It may be connected to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism, who mass converted in the end of XIX.

[rothaer]

I noticed the same thing, many Poles have minor AJ ancestry.

It may be connected to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism, who mass converted in the end of XIX.

This would be my assumption as well.

[TeutonicBoyars]

IMO, based on my (superior) research, I think AJ admixture in Poles would be contingent on geography. Cosmopolitan Poles from the south and east typically have some. West not so much, and in the North I've rarely seen any (and when I have, it was 0.1% which could still be discounted as noise). It also depends on where the ancestors lived. Poles who lived in rural communities in the countryside until recently probably won't have anything BUT Polish in their bloodline. But generations of city-dwelling Poles likely will, just as it is even more likely they have a few Germans, Dutch and the odd Scott down the line.

Poles are truly a multiethnic people. I'm sure this is all the excuse Germans need to flood their country with their unwanted third world immigrants.

[Polak]

IMO, based on my (superior) research, I think AJ admixture in Poles would be contingent on geography. Cosmopolitan Poles from the south and east typically have some. West not so much, and in the North I've rarely seen any (and when I have, it was 0.1% which could still be discounted as noise). It also depends on where the ancestors lived. Poles who lived in rural communities in the countryside until recently probably won't have anything BUT Polish in their bloodline. But generations of city-dwelling Poles likely will, just as it is even more likely they have a few Germans, Dutch and the odd Scott down the line.

Poles are truly a multiethnic people. I'm sure this is all the excuse Germans need to flood their country with their unwanted third world immigrants.

Yeah this is true. My mum's dad's family comes from a small town in Malopolska and they have pretty recent Ashkenazi heritage, as well as some German and possible Scottish too. But also it depends where in Poland they are from because alot of Poles from the Kresy are mixed with the "natives", my dad's dad was half Lithuanian/Ruthenian and half Lipka Tatar ethnically, and he came from a tiny village near Iwye.

[Zohor]

Poles are truly a multiethnic people. I'm sure this is all the excuse Germans need to flood their country with their unwanted third world immigrants.


Excuse me, wtf is that? Are you Peterski or what?



EDIT: Not like I don't agree with your part cuz if we simplify the case then the statement before the quote is pretty much sensible but damn this last quoted part is just WTF

[Leto]

Poles being "multiethnic" sounds like bullshit to me. Okay, some have a bit of Jewish or German in them, so what. So do Germans, French, Brits, etc. Even we Russians are nowhere near as mixed as many have been claiming for ages. And Poland is much more homogenous ethnically than Russia.

[Roy]

Poles being "multiethnic" sounds like bullshit to me. Okay, some have a bit of Jewish or German in them, so what. So do Germans, French, Brits, etc. Even we Russians are nowhere near as mixed as many have been claiming for ages. And Poland is much more homogenous ethnically than Russia.

Well ... current Poland is but Poland used to be very multiethnic for most of its history as a country with various minorities constituting a significant % of the population.

[rothaer]

IMO, based on my (superior) research, I think AJ admixture in Poles would be contingent on geography. Cosmopolitan Poles from the south and east typically have some. West not so much, and in the North I've rarely seen any (and when I have, it was 0.1% which could still be discounted as noise). It also depends on where the ancestors lived. Poles who lived in rural communities in the countryside until recently probably won't have anything BUT Polish in their bloodline. (...)

Here's a rural ethnic German from Masuria with 0.3% AJ:

https://i.imgur.com/Xgx6iiK.jpg

It could be from before immigration to Masuria (abt. 1500 AD) from Masovia. For rural Germans without Polish ancestry 0.3% AJ is extremely rare or close to not existent.


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All of you three will have Polish matches at 23andMe. If you could do what I asked for in the OP, we all will know more. :thumb001: