Why don't people trust My Heritage?

[Richmondbread]

People say it's useless, but according to an article, it's actually more accurate than 23andme

https://blog.genomelink.io/posts/23andme-vs-myheritage-a-simple-comparison-for-the-dna-newbie


MyHeritage DNA Test Advantages

While 23andMe has several important advantages, MyHeritage has its own angle on the ancestry test. With the largest database size of nearly any genetic DNA testing company, the test results you receive from MyHeritage have a higher statistical probability of being correct. The company also allows you to do in-depth ancestry research on your family history. Using your DNA sample, you can not only connect to your relatives, but you can use your ancestry report to help build your family tree, as seen in the image below.

The only advantage of 23andme is it gives you all the extras such as health charts, predictability of disease, etc. But ethnicity estimates are not withstanding. My Heritage seems to be better overall.

On My Heritage I even get the same family name matches- several in Lithuania which says they are closer cousins, which is highly accurate.

My results:
https://i.postimg.cc/3hVN2Z71/myheritage.jpg

[Andullero]

Didn't know you had Guido ancestry, or at least, I haven't read about you saying it before. Interesting.

[Richmondbread]

Didn't know you had Guido ancestry, or at least, I haven't read about you saying it before. Interesting.

Its not really Italian. It's probably southern france/alps

[bandoge]

I read a lot of bad commentaries about them when I decided to take a test, but it was the easiest one to take in Brazil when I done it. I know people dislike its native american classification because the reference is mixed so it's usually overestimated. My results were a bit confusing, but their groups and the family matching are good. I found an aunt of my grandma on Canada (originally from Italy)!

[Richmondbread]

Didn't know you had Guido ancestry, or at least, I haven't read about you saying it before. Interesting.

Its not really Italian. It's probably southern france/alps

[SouthDutch7991]

People say it's useless, but according to an article, it's actually more accurate than 23andme

https://blog.genomelink.io/posts/23andme-vs-myheritage-a-simple-comparison-for-the-dna-newbie


MyHeritage DNA Test Advantages

While 23andMe has several important advantages, MyHeritage has its own angle on the ancestry test. With the largest database size of nearly any genetic DNA testing company, the test results you receive from MyHeritage have a higher statistical probability of being correct. The company also allows you to do in-depth ancestry research on your family history. Using your DNA sample, you can not only connect to your relatives, but you can use your ancestry report to help build your family tree, as seen in the image below.

The only advantage of 23andme is it gives you all the extras such as health charts, predictability of disease, etc. But ethnicity estimates are not withstanding. My Heritage seems to be better overall.

On My Heritage I even get the same family name matches- several in Lithuania which says they are closer cousins, which is highly accurate.

My results:
https://i.postimg.cc/3hVN2Z71/myheritage.jpg


They use mestizo individuals as a native reference, and none of their results are consistent between me, my parents, or my grandparents.

[Richmondbread]

They use mestizo individuals as a native reference, and none of their results are consistent between me, my parents, or my grandparents.It won't be. We all get different recombination

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[SouthDutch7991]

It won't be. We all get different recombination

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Some things are beyond the possible.

[MCMXCV]

I uploaded my relatives’ 23andMe raw DNA to MyHeritage — albeit it primarily for DNA matches — and got entirely different ethnicity estimates. Everyone got around 50% North and West European, while they get between 10% and 27% Northwestern European according to 23andMe. Buying the kit directly from MyHeritage would likely result in different estimates, but I wonder how much different.

[Luke35]

If the writer at blog.genomelink.io/posts/23a...the-dna-newbie actually said that MyHeritage gives a more accurate ethnicity estimate than 23andMe, then they should have their freedom of speech revoked for a period of 6 months, during which time they will need to undergo extensive psychological and intelligence testing before returning to professional journalism.

[mitalit]

For recent ancestry it is definitely a bad estimation.
And for an ancestral estimation it is probably pretty bad too, since in most cases your ancestors do not come from the regions that they mark you, it just marks the DNA you share with them.

[TheMaestro]

Meade do you have free meals in Chipotle now that you are working there? Isnt that a blessing? Can you get me a staff discount?

[Permafrost]

I don't get why people send their blood samples to these dubious corporations that have probably ties to the NWO. Might as well go to the nearest Illuminati centre and ask them directly to build your replacement clone, without doing it the roundabout way.

[Mejgusu]

If the writer at blog.genomelink.io/posts/23a...the-dna-newbie actually said that MyHeritage gives a more accurate ethnicity estimate than 23andMe, then they should have their freedom of speech revoked for a period of 6 months, during which time they will need to undergo extensive psychological and intelligence testing before returning to professional journalism.

Thats the first time I see a passive aggressive posting of you XD.


Meade do you have free meals in Chipotle now that you are woring there? Isnt that a blessing? Can you get me a staff discount?

ahahahahahahahahahaha

[Scandal]

As a Hungarian(+Slovak), I got "7.5% Welsh, Irish and Scottish" + "1.1% Finnish" on Myheritage. Enough said...

[Luke35]

Thats the first time I see a passive aggressive posting of you XD.

I sneak in 2 or 3 passive aggressive posts per year. :)

[Leto]

You like it because it says 6% Southern Italian instead of kike. :swl And the 2 percent Native American of course.

[Token]

The coverage of MyHeritage's chip some years ago was vastly superior to 23andme, it was worth it if you just want the raw data and don't care about their calculator. Not sure nowadays.

[Mejgusu]

You like it because it says 6% Southern Italian instead of kike. :swl And the 2 percent Native American of course.

Lol didn’t notice that. Regardless which company, he always get either Italian, Slavic or Jewish. Although he has all of them he didn’t inherited anything of this people like good look, masculinity and success, maybe thats the reason why he hates them all. At least finally he has some Cherokee, but I think I know from where this is coming from:


https://youtu.be/RSdix25BDY0

[Scandal]

People say it's useless, but according to an article, it's actually more accurate than 23andme

https://blog.genomelink.io/posts/23andme-vs-myheritage-a-simple-comparison-for-the-dna-newbie


MyHeritage DNA Test Advantages

While 23andMe has several important advantages, MyHeritage has its own angle on the ancestry test. With the largest database size of nearly any genetic DNA testing company, the test results you receive from MyHeritage have a higher statistical probability of being correct. The company also allows you to do in-depth ancestry research on your family history. Using your DNA sample, you can not only connect to your relatives, but you can use your ancestry report to help build your family tree, as seen in the image below.

The only advantage of 23andme is it gives you all the extras such as health charts, predictability of disease, etc. But ethnicity estimates are not withstanding. My Heritage seems to be better overall.

On My Heritage I even get the same family name matches- several in Lithuania which says they are closer cousins, which is highly accurate.

My results:
https://i.postimg.cc/3hVN2Z71/myheritage.jpg
If you're 6% Ashkenazi on 23andme, then you're really part Ashkenazi.

The coverage of MyHeritage's chip some years ago was vastly superior to 23andme, it was worth it if you just want the raw data and don't care about their calculator. Not sure nowadays.
Yeah, I bought myheritage for the raw data / gedmatch calculators. It was cheaper than 23andme too. Rich is just coping because he wants to deny being part Jewish.

[Andullero]

You like it because it says 6% Southern Italian instead of kike. :swl And the 2 percent Native American of course.

Lol, glad it was you who said it and not me, but that was on my mind too. :D

[J.Haddadd]

The supposed journalist doesn't know what he is talking about.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

MyHeritage's ethnicity estimate acts like a crazy Global25 calculator. AncestryDNA is definitely better and more accurate.

https://i.imgur.com/DL6ptZl.png

[Richmondbread]

If the writer at blog.genomelink.io/posts/23a...the-dna-newbie actually said that MyHeritage gives a more accurate ethnicity estimate than 23andMe, then they should have their freedom of speech revoked for a period of 6 months, during which time they will need to undergo extensive psychological and intelligence testing before returning to professional journalism.

COPE

[Richmondbread]

If you're 6% Ashkenazi on 23andme, then you're really part Ashkenazi.

Yeah, I bought myheritage for the raw data / gedmatch calculators. It was cheaper than 23andme too. Rich is just coping because he wants to deny being part Jewish.

They brought it down to 5% and Ancestry revealed it's on my father's side, not my mother's side, so it doesn't even count.

[SouthDutch7991]

Holy shit dude, you need to get a hold on your identity issues. Speaking as one guy to another, you gotta let shit like this go. Spending so much time obsessing over whether you are or are not one thing or the other is pointless and unhealthy. You are what you are, and you can't change that. If you're part Jewish, you're part jewish, and if not, you're not. The reports of a DNA test can't change that physical reality.

[Richmondbread]

Holy shit dude, you need to get a hold on your identity issues. Speaking as one guy to another, you gotta let shit like this go. Spending so much time obsessing over whether you are or are not one thing or the other is pointless and unhealthy. You are what you are, and you can't change that. If you're part Jewish, you're part jewish, and if not, you're not. The reports of a DNA test can't change that physical reality.

I'm not even "part Jewish" which would imply half Jewish. I got 5% Jewish match or something on a "dna TEST" that is basically pseudo science. It was also revealed that the "Jewish" came from my father's line, which according to Jewish Law means I'm not Jewish at all.

[Wegner]

Because My Heritage gives me 2% Scandinavian, 13.4% North and West European, 55.2% English. Small problems with that:

1)My mom is German (born in Germany).
2)My dad is 1/4 Danish, 1/4 Swedish
3)My most recent ancestor that came from anywhere near England is my 2nd great-grandmother, and she's from Ireland.
4)10 of my 16 2nd great-grandparents are from Germany, 2 are from Denmark, 2 are from Sweden, 1 is from Ireland, and 1 is from the USA.

So, the results in no way match up with what I know about my ancestry or what other sites estimate my ancestry to be.

I will say that the genetic groups on My Heritage seem to be pretty accurate. But their ethnicity estimates leave something to be desired. And others have said elsewhere that My Heritage grossly overestimated their English ancestry.

[calxpal]

I actually do trust them to some extent, their genetic groups are quite accurate and honestly their ethnicity estimate (from uploading) is decent after the most recent update, but still worse than 23andme in my opinion. I've seen people scrutinize their results as inaccurate much more often than 23andme, and it seems that often times people receive an odd ethnicity that doesn't match their known ancestry well with MyHeritage, and it also seems like MyHeritage uses some confusing mixed populations. I definitely don't think MyHeritage is useless but I think they can improve a fair bit still. I also find their large relative database to be fairly useful, but I've found that their DNA relatives algorithm has some inconsistencies.

[Hauber]

The haplogroups are lacking. And it is a problem when you build a family tree. I have connections with the same surname, but different Y-haplogroup. In my heritage, you cannot know that.

[Hauber]

The haplogroups are lacking. And it is a problem when you build a family tree. I have connections with the same surname, but different Y-haplogroup. In my heritage, you cannot know that.

[Figaro]

MyHeritage’s genetic groups can be impressive, but the AC is weird, like so many others here have been saying. It assigned my dad 15% Iberian ancestry (no genetic groups) and that just cannot be the case for him. That’s just one example of the “Drunk G25 Calculator” effect it’s AC behaves like...

[Longbowman]

I also get some Native on MyH. Everyone does. It's a shit site.


They brought it down to 5% and Ancestry revealed it's on my father's side, not my mother's side, so it doesn't even count.

Pfff what? DNA is DNA.

[Richmondbread]

I also get some Native on MyH. Everyone does. It's a shit site.



Pfff what? DNA is DNA.

According to Jewish law, you are only Jew through your mother's side.

[Longbowman]

According to Jewish law, you are only Jew through your mother's side.

No one was arguing you were Jewish you dunce. You're just part Ashkenazi by DNA.

[Richmondbread]

No one was arguing you were Jewish you dunce. You're just part Ashkenazi by DNA.

I'm making a point that DNA and heritage are two different things.

[MCMXCV]

I decided to post the great difference between 23andMe and MyHeritage ethnicity estimates — the latter being from raw DNA upload — for my relatives, which I mentioned in a reply here a while ago.

PARENT
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GRANDPARENT 2
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[Longbowman]

I bought a MyH kit and it was shit.

However, I also uploaded a 23andme kit to it. I accidentally did it twice.

They gave me different results for the same information.

[Richmondbread]

I bought a MyH kit and it was shit.

However, I also uploaded a 23andme kit to it. I accidentally did it twice.

They gave me different results for the same information.You're just contrary

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[Longbowman]

You're just contrary

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No, in this case I share the majority opinion - you're a contrarian because you want MyH to be accurate because you like the results, even though they're inaccurate by your own admission.

[Richmondbread]

No, in this case I share the majority opinion - you're a contrarian because you want MyH to be accurate because you like the results, even though they're inaccurate by your own admission.

23andme isn't accurate by my admission. My Heritage fits more my lineage tables.

[mariusz99]

Personally I don't know what to think about MyHeritage. Genetic groups are accurate: Poland, Northern Germany, Germany and Ashkenazi from England,Germany,Netherlads (1% according to Ancestry).
But estimate hmm... Baltic/East Europe/Balkan typical for Pole, but 22% Scandinavia is highly inaccurate.

Maybe MH shows ancient admixtures haha

[Petalpusher]

It sucks balls. Sometimes i feels it's just an nMonte algorithm with free values like on vahaduo. You can make up dozens of random fits made up of countries that would match somebody's admixture. Getting the one that conforms closely to your actual ancestry is the real challenge. That involves a more complicated analysis of segments, length, types,..which they clearly aren't doing, in the estimate at least. Even people who are 100% one country gets all sort of mixes all over the place.

[Longbowman]

My MyHeritage:



-
Ashkenazi
Irish, Scottish & Welsh
Middle Eastern
Sephardic Jewish - North African
Indigenous Amazonian
Nigerian


23andme upload (1)
84.6
10.0
3.7
0.9
0.8
-


23andme upload (2) (literally the same data as (1))
84.6
9.8
3.5
1.2
0.9
-


Ancestry upload
83.0
9.1
2.0
3.9
0.8
1.2


MyHeritage spit-test
82.2
11.2
4.0
1.8
0.8
-



Joke.

[Sasaolo68]

Majority of people have said to me that MyHeritage is not accurate, that is all i have to say...

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[Petalpusher]

My MyHeritage:



-
Ashkenazi
Irish, Scottish & Welsh
Middle Eastern
Sephardic Jewish - North African
Indigenous Amazonian
Nigerian


23andme upload (1)
84.6
10.0
3.7
0.9
0.8
-


23andme upload (2) (literally the same data as (1))
84.6
9.8
3.5
1.2
0.9
-


Ancestry upload
83.0
9.1
2.0
3.9
0.8
1.2


MyHeritage spit-test
82.2
11.2
4.0
1.8
0.8
-



Joke.

It's not that bad in your case, fairly close to 23, except you re off the bus on Ancestry.

On 23 i get mostly F&G and some broadly as it should be. I didn't test on Myh but got my father there, he comes out this odd mix of Italian, British,NW and Scandinavian while im sure he would get something very similar to me on 23. Makes no sense, like it's a random 4way Oracle on Gedmatch.

[Longbowman]

It's not that bad in your case, fairly close to 23, except you re off the bus on Ancestry.

On 23 i get mostly F&G and some broadly as it should be. I didn't test on Myh but got my father there, he comes out this odd mix of Italian, British,NW and Scandinavian while im sure he would get something very similar to me on 23. Makes no sense, like it's a random 4way Oracle on Gedmatch.

No, I disagree, it is quite bad. I am not 1/8 Celtic or NW Euro at all. 1/8 is a lot and NW Euro vs Jew/Med is a big difference. Also, I am not 1% Native let alone Amazonian, would be difficult considering my last ancestor left the Caribbean in the early 1800s. Of course I'm also not Nigerian.

The [minor] differences between exactly the same dataset proves it's a joke anyway.

[Petalpusher]

No, I disagree, it is quite bad. I am not 1/8 Celtic or NW Euro at all. 1/8 is a lot and NW Euro vs Jew/Med is a big difference. Also, I am not 1% Native let alone Amazonian, would be difficult considering my last ancestor left the Caribbean in the early 1800s. Of course I'm also not Nigerian.

The [minor] differences between exactly the same dataset proves it's a joke anyway.

Just comparing to 23, in your case it's not accurate in either cases but did you phase against at least one parent? I think it improved quite a bit after it and some updates for me. In 2015 when i first got my results i had 20% Brit which was wrong and confusing, it's mostly gone in the Broadly NW or else. Each updates increased the F&G.

[Petalpusher]

dp love

[Gallop]

It's crazy and for someone like me who is from a country that was an Empire, the Spanish Empire becomes super global and international.

[Richmondbread]

Majority of people have said to me that MyHeritage is not accurate, that is all i have to say...

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That's because they have no idea of their lineage. Most people can't trace past their grandparents. Sad.

[Wegner]

That's because they have no idea of their lineage. Most people can't trace past their grandparents. Sad.

Most people who can't trace past their grandparents, if they are in the USA, are probably going to assume that they are majority English ancestry and so the overestimated English ancestry they get from My Heritage won't be questioned.

[Karol Klačansky]

People say it's useless, but according to an article, it's actually more accurate than 23andme

https://blog.genomelink.io/posts/23andme-vs-myheritage-a-simple-comparison-for-the-dna-newbie


MyHeritage DNA Test Advantages

While 23andMe has several important advantages, MyHeritage has its own angle on the ancestry test. With the largest database size of nearly any genetic DNA testing company, the test results you receive from MyHeritage have a higher statistical probability of being correct. The company also allows you to do in-depth ancestry research on your family history. Using your DNA sample, you can not only connect to your relatives, but you can use your ancestry report to help build your family tree, as seen in the image below.

The only advantage of 23andme is it gives you all the extras such as health charts, predictability of disease, etc. But ethnicity estimates are not withstanding. My Heritage seems to be better overall.

On My Heritage I even get the same family name matches- several in Lithuania which says they are closer cousins, which is highly accurate.

My results:
https://i.postimg.cc/3hVN2Z71/myheritage.jpg

nope its garbage, its not just purely about their samples, its the fact that they have way too much overlap in different populations, thats why you can show up as like 30% scandinavian although u are 100% french etc, and then if you are tested again or upload a different raw data file suddenly its gone. MH is good for matches and that is it.

[Longbowman]

Just comparing to 23, in your case it's not accurate in either cases but did you phase against at least one parent? I think it improved quite a bit after it and some updates for me. In 2015 when i first got my results i had 20% Brit which was wrong and confusing, it's mostly gone in the Broadly NW or else. Each updates increased the F&G.

I phased against both for 23andme. There was limited change. I would say 23andme has become highly accurate for me over the course of various updates, as has Ancestry, recently. FTDNA is not so accurate but at least it is not wildly inaccurate, like giving a fully Jewish person 1/8 Welsh. That is highly inaccurate in a way giving a frog 20% masterrace is not.

[MCMXCV]

Speaking about MyHeritage, I uploaded my personal raw DNA on 10 April and it’s still in progress. It’s now been ten days. The other three kits were complete in seven, and during the period when ethnicity estimates were at no cost, so they must’ve had a higher volume of overall kits to process. I wonder what’s taking them so long now…

[Andullero]

No, I disagree, it is quite bad. I am not 1/8 Celtic or NW Euro at all. 1/8 is a lot and NW Euro vs Jew/Med is a big difference. Also, I am not 1% Native let alone Amazonian, would be difficult considering my last ancestor left the Caribbean in the early 1800s. Of course I'm also not Nigerian.

The [minor] differences between exactly the same dataset proves it's a joke anyway.

It gave me 2% Japanese, imagine, lol. A joke indeed.

[Longbowman]

I phased against both for 23andme. There was limited change. I would say 23andme has become highly accurate for me over the course of various updates, as has Ancestry, recently. FTDNA is not so accurate but at least it is not wildly inaccurate, like giving a fully Jewish person 1/8 Welsh. That is highly inaccurate in a way giving a frog 20% masterrace is not.

I did all 4 major testing companies. Not just uploads, I spit in four tubes. I shall rate them in descending order for anyone who cares.

I am very confident about my known ancestry. It is well-recorded. It amounts to around 85% Ashkenazi (largely Galician and Silesian, some Polish and distant Saxon), 10% Sephardi (largely Spanish & Portuguese (ie, conversos), distant Eastern Sephardi) and 5% Mizrakhi (largely Baghdadi, so Iraqi). I would expect, then, a good company to give me 83-87% Ashkenazi, 7-11% Sephardi, 3-7% Mizrakhi and 0-4% Spanish, allowing for a reasonable amount of random inheritance and assuming they have the references (conversos have extremely high Iberian genetic introgression, see also studies on Belmonte Jews).

FTDNA has references for all these groups. MyHeritage sort-of does (it has a 'Middle Eastern' reference, with 'Mizrakhi' as a population group within that, and 'North African Sephardi' rather than 'Sephardi,' when my ancestry for example is not North African. Ancestry doesn't (it has a combined 'European Jewish' reference for Ashkenazi and Sephardi, and no specific Mizrakhi or even Iraqi reference), and 23andme doesn't (it has a singular Ashkenazi reference, and no other references for other Jewish groups).

Accordingly, a 'good' FTNA or MyHeritage result would be as I described. A 'good' Ancestry result would be 91-97% European Jewish, 3-7% 'various Middle Eastern groupings' and 0-4% Spanish. A 'good' 23andme result, considering 'what other Sephardim and Iraqim get,' would be 85-89% Ashkenazi, 3-7% Iraqi, 2-5% Spanish-heavy Southern Europe and 2-5% 'other MENA,' likely mostly western MENA (Levant, Egyptian Coptic, Cypriot).

My Ancestry result is pretty spot-on in this instance. Bearing in mind I am just under 95% European Jewish (but would expect a small amount of that to realistically be Iberian, so let's say 93%), I get... 93%, with a range of 83-96%. This is a very good estimate (albeit rather vague). They don't have a Sephardic population iirc but the two they gave me were in-keeping with the greater part of my Ashkenazi ancestry. I got 1% Spanish with a range of 0-4%, 1% Anatolian at 0-5%, 1% Cypriot at 0-4% and 4% Levant at 0-7%, which in the absence of an Iraqi reference is probably the closest they have. If you add that up it's 6%, which is just a few tenths of a percentage point higher than what I am. 'Cypriot' is maybe a bit 'un-Iraqi' but Levant + Anatolia is what I would have expected. So I'll give Ancestry an arbitrary 8/10 rating - very accurate but lacking in relevant references, which is better than having lots of references but being highly inaccurate, like MyH.

My 23andme result is also pretty good. Their Ashkenazi reference is very refined. Sephardim do score some Ashkenazi, however. I get 86.7% Ashkenazi (good), 4.3% Southern European of which 3.5% Spanish (with 9 references) and 0.2% Sardinian (fairly decent, maybe a bit high), and another 1.5% unspecified Euro. I get 7.5% MENA, of which 3.1% NW Asian and 2.7% Iranian, Caucasian and Mesopotamian (low) with 2 Iraq-specific references including Baghdad (good, impressive). The rest (2.7%) is Arabic, Egyptian and Levantine (1.1% Coptic, 0.7% Levantine, 0.1% Peninsular Arab) which is about what you'd expect from someone who's 10% converso. I am phased with both parents on 23andme, so this should provide 23andme with an advantage over the other sites. Overall I'd give 23andme a 7/10 rating - there's nothing outlandish here but some percentages are a bit high or a bit low, and the lack of a Sephardi reference means I have to judge their accuracy by 'consistency' rather than true precision.

FTDNA ambitiously has a Mizrakhi, Sephardi and Ashkenazi reference, but they're not exactly phenomenal. I get 91% Ashkenazi, which is considerably higher than what I'd expect considering this reference is supposed to exclude Sephardim (likely the Sephardi reference is Eastern Sephardi), and 6% Northern Levant. This might sound good but again, there is a Mizrakhi reference, which I only get <2% of, so it's wrong, albeit not outlandishly wrong - ie, it's saying I'm 1/16 Arab (specifically Lebanese/Syrian) rather than Iraqi Jewish. I only get <2% Sephardi which is obviously extremely low. I also get <1% Central Europe, which seems unlikely considering my family's not from there but <1% isn't very much. No Spanish/Iberian, however. FTDNA obviously focuses on haplogroups but still, this is an ambitious atDNA attempt. Unfortunately, as for so many people, it's considerably inaccurate. 5/10.

Finally, we have the class dunce, MyHeritage. MyH gives me 82.2% Ashkenazi, which is slightly low but not very. The rest is a joke. 11.2% Irish/Scottish/Welsh is simply ridiculous. I am not 1/8 any ethnicity that is even remotely related to the Celtic Fringe. After that I get 4.0% Middle Eastern, with Iraqi Jewish as the only population reference - a bit low, but not too bad - and 1.8 Sephardic - North African Jewish, which is again very low, although it doesn't claim to be a European Sephardi reference, I suppose. To round it off I get 0.8% Indigenous Amazonian which is obviously ridiculous. My arbitrary rating here is 3/10.

Just my personal experience, ofc. I will also say MyH hasn't updated once since I bought it 4 or 5 years ago, the others all upgrade (although FTDNA doesn't upgrade very much).

[Richmondbread]

I did all 4 major testing companies. Not just uploads, I spit in four tubes. I shall rate them in descending order for anyone who cares.

I am very confident about my known ancestry. It is well-recorded. It amounts to around 85% Ashkenazi (largely Galician and Silesian, some Polish and distant Saxon), 10% Sephardi (largely Spanish & Portuguese (ie, conversos), distant Eastern Sephardi) and 5% Mizrakhi (largely Baghdadi, so Iraqi). I would expect, then, a good company to give me 83-87% Ashkenazi, 7-11% Sephardi, 3-7% Mizrakhi and 0-4% Spanish, allowing for a reasonable amount of random inheritance and assuming they have the references (conversos have extremely high Iberian genetic introgression, see also studies on Belmonte Jews).

FTDNA has references for all these groups. MyHeritage sort-of does (it has a 'Middle Eastern' reference, with 'Mizrakhi' as a population group within that, and 'North African Sephardi' rather than 'Sephardi,' when my ancestry for example is not North African. Ancestry doesn't (it has a combined 'European Jewish' reference for Ashkenazi and Sephardi, and no specific Mizrakhi or even Iraqi reference), and 23andme doesn't (it has a singular Ashkenazi reference, and no other references for other Jewish groups).

Accordingly, a 'good' FTNA or MyHeritage result would be as I described. A 'good' Ancestry result would be 91-97% European Jewish, 3-7% 'various Middle Eastern groupings' and 0-4% Spanish. A 'good' 23andme result, considering 'what other Sephardim and Iraqim get,' would be 85-89% Ashkenazi, 3-7% Iraqi, 2-5% Spanish-heavy Southern Europe and 2-5% 'other MENA,' likely mostly western MENA (Levant, Egyptian Coptic, Cypriot).

My Ancestry result is pretty spot-on in this instance. Bearing in mind I am just under 95% European Jewish (but would expect a small amount of that to realistically be Iberian, so let's say 93%), I get... 93%, with a range of 83-96%. This is a very good estimate (albeit rather vague). They don't have a Sephardic population iirc but the two they gave me were in-keeping with the greater part of my Ashkenazi ancestry. I got 1% Spanish with a range of 0-4%, 1% Anatolian at 0-5%, 1% Cypriot at 0-4% and 4% Levant at 0-7%, which in the absence of an Iraqi reference is probably the closest they have. If you add that up it's 6%, which is just a few tenths of a percentage point higher than what I am. 'Cypriot' is maybe a bit 'un-Iraqi' but Levant + Anatolia is what I would have expected. So I'll give Ancestry an arbitrary 8/10 rating - very accurate but lacking in relevant references, which is better than having lots of references but being highly inaccurate, like MyH.

My 23andme result is also pretty good. Their Ashkenazi reference is very refined. Sephardim do score some Ashkenazi, however. I get 86.7% Ashkenazi (good), 4.3% Southern European of which 3.5% Spanish (with 9 references) and 0.2% Sardinian (fairly decent, maybe a bit high), and another 1.5% unspecified Euro. I get 7.5% MENA, of which 3.1% NW Asian and 2.7% Iranian, Caucasian and Mesopotamian (low) with 2 Iraq-specific references including Baghdad (good, impressive). The rest (2.7%) is Arabic, Egyptian and Levantine (1.1% Coptic, 0.7% Levantine, 0.1% Peninsular Arab) which is about what you'd expect from someone who's 10% converso. I am phased with both parents on 23andme, so this should provide 23andme with an advantage over the other sites. Overall I'd give 23andme a 7/10 rating - there's nothing outlandish here but some percentages are a bit high or a bit low, and the lack of a Sephardi reference means I have to judge their accuracy by 'consistency' rather than true precision.

FTDNA ambitiously has a Mizrakhi, Sephardi and Ashkenazi reference, but they're not exactly phenomenal. I get 91% Ashkenazi, which is considerably higher than what I'd expect considering this reference is supposed to exclude Sephardim (likely the Sephardi reference is Eastern Sephardi), and 6% Northern Levant. This might sound good but again, there is a Mizrakhi reference, which I only get <2% of, so it's wrong, albeit not outlandishly wrong - ie, it's saying I'm 1/16 Arab (specifically Lebanese/Syrian) rather than Iraqi Jewish. I only get <2% Sephardi which is obviously extremely low. I also get <1% Central Europe, which seems unlikely considering my family's not from there but <1% isn't very much. No Spanish/Iberian, however. FTDNA obviously focuses on haplogroups but still, this is an ambitious atDNA attempt. Unfortunately, as for so many people, it's considerably inaccurate. 5/10.

Finally, we have the class dunce, MyHeritage. MyH gives me 82.2% Ashkenazi, which is slightly low but not very. The rest is a joke. 11.2% Irish/Scottish/Welsh is simply ridiculous. I am not 1/8 any ethnicity that is even remotely related to the Celtic Fringe. After that I get 4.0% Middle Eastern, with Iraqi Jewish as the only population reference - a bit low, but not too bad - and 1.8 Sephardic - North African Jewish, which is again very low, although it doesn't claim to be a European Sephardi reference, I suppose. To round it off I get 0.8% Indigenous Amazonian which is obviously ridiculous. My arbitrary rating here is 3/10.

Just my personal experience, ofc. I will also say MyH hasn't updated once since I bought it 4 or 5 years ago, the others all upgrade (although FTDNA doesn't upgrade very much).

Ireland was discovered by a Jew

[Longbowman]

Ireland was discovered by a Jew

I think the Irish people got there first.

If you're making some kind of convoluted nonsense to explain my Celtic results, as you tried to do when you connected Ashkenazim and Cherokees, then stop. Even if Irish people were Jewish (which they're not, empirically) Jews don't score 11.2% Celtic on MyH - just me.

Even my parents don't score it (I uploaded their 23andmes to MyH). It's a crap site.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I bought MyHeritage because it was the cheapest and because for €49 I could get my kit on GEDmatch too. I certainly didn't buy it because I expected accurate ethnicity estimate results.

https://i.imgur.com/DL6ptZl.png

[Sasaolo68]

I bought MyHeritage because it was the cheapest and because for €49 I could get my kit on GEDmatch too. I certainly didn't buy it because I expected accurate ethnicity estimate results.

https://i.imgur.com/DL6ptZl.pngI really doubt you have 14% north african, that doesn't seems accurate.

[Richmondbread]

I think the Irish people got there first.

If you're making some kind of convoluted nonsense to explain my Celtic results, as you tried to do when you connected Ashkenazim and Cherokees, then stop. Even if Irish people were Jewish (which they're not, empirically) Jews don't score 11.2% Celtic on MyH - just me.

Even my parents don't score it (I uploaded their 23andmes to MyH). It's a crap site.

According to evidence, the first settler was determined to be of Middle East descent. Perhaps the Irish are one of the lost tribes.

The Irish are descended from early Middle East farmers and from bronze metalworkers on the steppes around the Black Sea, scientists have found. Genome sequencing and DNA analysis of the remains of people living 5,000 years ago in what is now Ireland uncovered the origins of its population.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/75509823/irish-originated-from-the-middle-east-dna-analysis-shows

[TheMaestro]

Meade do you trust a company with its headquarters in Israel? XD

[Longbowman]

According to evidence, the first settler was determined to be of Middle East descent. Perhaps the Irish are one of the lost tribes.

The Irish are descended from early Middle East farmers and from bronze metalworkers on the steppes around the Black Sea, scientists have found. Genome sequencing and DNA analysis of the remains of people living 5,000 years ago in what is now Ireland uncovered the origins of its population.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/75509823/irish-originated-from-the-middle-east-dna-analysis-shows

Ireland and everywhere else in S and W Europe was settled by Early Neolithic Farmers from the Middle East 7,000 years ago. Nothing to do with Israelites (in fact, ENF were Anatolian) and nothing special to Ireland. Also, not their first settlers, as there were WHG people there before.

[Leto]

According to evidence, the first settler was determined to be of Middle East descent. Perhaps the Irish are one of the lost tribes.

The Irish are descended from early Middle East farmers and from bronze metalworkers on the steppes around the Black Sea, scientists have found. Genome sequencing and DNA analysis of the remains of people living 5,000 years ago in what is now Ireland uncovered the origins of its population.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/75509823/irish-originated-from-the-middle-east-dna-analysis-shows
As a right-winger you shouldn't buy into that bull. They're using terms like Middle Eastern in order to evoke certain associations in your mind and ultimately justify modern immigration into white countries by manipulating the DNA and archeological studies.
The Irish are zero Middle Eastern in the modern sense and have every right to keep it that way.

[Richmondbread]

Meade do you trust a company with its headquarters in Israel? XD

Did you know 23andme is run by a Jew? They give out random Ashkenazi samples to curb "anti semitism".

[Richmondbread]

As a right-winger you shouldn't buy into that bull. They're using terms like Middle Eastern in order to evoke certain associations in your mind and ultimately justify modern immigration into white countries by manipulating the DNA and archeological studies.
The Irish are zero Middle Eastern in the modern sense and have every right to keep it that way.

NOT AT ALL! I don't see any conflict in view point, because even if this is true, it happened centuries ago. The current Irish have little to do with Middle Eastern influence or culture - although some of the Celtic music seems "remnant". So the culture is disconnected.

[TheMaestro]

Did you know 23andme is run by a Jew? They give out random Ashkenazi samples to curb "anti semitism".

Sure but atleast their core owners arent from Israel like myHeritage. Both also highly innacurate and shit companies.

[Longbowman]

Did you know 23andme is run by a Jew? They give out random Ashkenazi samples to curb "anti semitism".

MyHeritage is an Israeli Jewish company. 23andme is run by a Pole.

[Leto]

NOT AT ALL! I don't see any conflict in view point, because even if this is true, it happened centuries ago. The current Irish have little to do with Middle Eastern influence or culture - although some of the Celtic music seems "remnant". So the culture is disconnected.
I think the Celts were Indo-Europeans and thus not connected to the Middle East.

[Richmondbread]

I think the Celts were Indo-Europeans and thus not connected to the Middle East.

We all came from Noah's 3 sons.

[Leto]

We all came from Noah's 3 sons.
Yeah but my ancestor is Japheth :thumb001:

[Petalpusher]

I phased against both for 23andme. There was limited change. I would say 23andme has become highly accurate for me over the course of various updates, as has Ancestry, recently. FTDNA is not so accurate but at least it is not wildly inaccurate, like giving a fully Jewish person 1/8 Welsh. That is highly inaccurate in a way giving a frog 20% masterrace is not.

A few percents remain, overall pretty good. Obviously "French&German" is the masterrace, a genetic grouping that would trigger 95% of this crowd, has to be. I think i even got some decimals of Ashkenazi on 23 the first time, then gone.

Yours Myh is bad but not that crazy, you get mostly Ashkenazi, if you compare to the lunar breakdowns some Europeans get, as my father do and many others too. I ve seen a native Dutch being modeled as Irish + Spain + Baltic Estonian (something of that kind), completely ridiculous. It's of course a bit more difficult for Euros as they are closer to each others. Still a disaster.

[Longbowman]

I even got some decimals of Ashkenazi on 23 the first time, then gone.

I'm so sorry :(


Yours Myh is bad but not that crazy, you get mostly Ashkenazi, if you compare to the lunar breakdowns some Europeans get, as my father do and many others too. I ve seen a native Dutch being modeled as Irish + Spain + Baltic Estonian (something of that kind), completely ridiculous. It's of course a bit more difficult for Euros as they are closer to each others. Still a disaster.

I guess my point is that I'm probably 97-98% East Med and the rest Spanish and they gave me an enormous (1/8) chunk of Celtic Fringe, which is very different to East Med, as you say. You're right that it's likely a 'line of best fit' more than IBD sharing. Either way it's a crap service.

[Richmondbread]

I got zero Jew on my heritage. Its accurate.

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[Longbowman]

I got zero Jew on my heritage. Its accurate.

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It's not. Cope, seethe, move on.

[Lucas]

They used to have good raw data. Their results are just calc.