Ancestry DNA April 2022 update.

[kingmob]

Starting this thread with my own results:

Ethnicity breakdown:


https://i.ibb.co/CwmHBVt/2-2.png


Communities:


https://i.ibb.co/gzN9Vdx/1-2.png


Overall, my impression is that it's not bad at all, for someone 50% Vlach (from Bulgarian Thrace) + 50% Pontic Greek.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Ancestry DNA did AGAIN a terrific job with their update.
When we thought the results can't get better, they are proving us that we were wrong!

https://i.postimg.cc/XYyVsJ70/image.png

[drb234]

https://i.postimg.cc/6BpXVzjG/Untitled-1.png
somehow more english than i was before the update.

[Luke35]

Very cool, I can finally see how my Hungarian side (Parent 1) gets read by AncestryDNA:

https://i.imgur.com/oojbHrl.png
https://i.imgur.com/OUFCQtd.png

[Gergő Marosvári]

Very cool, I can finally see how my Hungarian side (Parent 1) gets read by AncestryDNA:

https://i.imgur.com/oojbHrl.png
https://i.imgur.com/OUFCQtd.png

That's sooo amazing my friend!!! :)

[Celestia]

Very disappointed with mine. We don't have any Scottish. It took away my Germanic Europe which is my most recent European ancestry lol. 23andme is the only accurate test we've taken thus far.



New results:
England & Northwestern Europe 54%
Scotland 20%
Norway 11%
Ireland 8%
Wales 5%
Ivory Coast & Ghana 1%
Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples 1%

[Gergő Marosvári]

This is how my parental inheritance results look like.
I assuming that parent 1 is probably my father, since i have known Zipser German ancestry from his side.
While parent 2 is probably my mother.

But i tested my mother with Ancestry DNA, i am waiting for her results which i will get in approximately a week!

https://i.postimg.cc/htYZDLmH/image.png

[oszkar07]

Eastern Europe & Russia
29%
Your community with a connection to this ethnicity regionYour connection to this ethnicity region may come through ancestors from this community.
Slovakia & Hungary
South Poland, Slovakia & North Hungary
Western Slovakia & Central Hungary
Central Hungary & Central Slovakia

Scotland
24%
Germanic Europe
18%
England & Northwestern Europe
16%
Ireland
7%
Sweden & Denmark
3%
Baltics
3%

Parent 2 my Hungarian side is bolded.


Region Parent 1 Parent 2 You
7 50% 50% 100%
Eastern Europe & Russia 0% 29% 29%
Scotland 24% 0% 24%
Germanic Europe 0% 18% 18%
England & Northwestern Europe 16% 0% 16%
Ireland 7% 0% 7%
Sweden & Denmark 3% 0% 3%
Baltics 0% 3% 3%


Interesting update , the high Scottish was unexpected. I did know that 1 Great Grandmother on maternal side was full Scottish, but expected my maternal side to be more English overall.

If 18% German on Hungarian side is correct then one of my Grandparents may have had almost Danube Swab type ancestry. The other one looks quite West Slav shifted as I get North Hungary/Slovak in Communities.

[HelloGuys]

I wanted buy a kit but reading their comments I think I won't :/

[Albannach]

This update is spot on for me now

50% Irish
48% Scottish
2% England & NW Europe

I don't know of any English ancestors but I do have some ancestry from the Borders so there probably is some intermarriage down the line.

Only disappointing aspect of the update is my lack of Scottish communities, my Irish communities (Galway, North Connemara, Lough Corrib & Lough Mask, Donegal, Inishowen) are spot on though.

[Erronkari]

Good Job Ancestry! :thumb001:



https://i.ibb.co/9NDYJMp/95109-C01-54-B7-4957-A6-E8-5-C8-F5027456-A.png (https://ibb.co/HVSg0JK)
https://i.ibb.co/yQGsQDp/FF4-C63-B4-7-DE9-4-F08-956-D-F8-E4021-BD4-D1.png (https://ibb.co/RDZHD1N)
https://i.ibb.co/SvnjKs6/F24-E149-C-F788-4508-9702-5-DEB71-ACEB4-B.png (https://ibb.co/s3wfFmg)

[Luke35]

Did anybody know this update was coming? Normally the rumor mill about an update starts weeks in advance. This seemed to come totally out of the blue.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Did anybody know this update was coming? Normally the rumor mill about an update starts weeks in advance. This seemed to come totally out of the blue.

I don't think anybody did.
This update was a huge surprise, but in a good way of course.

[de Burgh II]

https://i.postimg.cc/htNXhVsn/Untitled.jpg

[Karol Klačansky]

My Fathers results after update
https://i.ibb.co/Sc3qcTQ/Dad-ancestry-dna-update-2022.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/M1gT7d0/Dads-parental-break-down-2022.jpg (https://ibb.co/2MF2dJ4)


My Mothers results
https://i.ibb.co/pPgkdvN/Moms-ancestry-update-2022.jpg (https://ibb.co/fSbTHYZ)

https://i.ibb.co/KKy01mg/Moms-parental-breakdown-2022.jpg (https://ibb.co/SfvsLJg)

My update
https://i.ibb.co/ScXbqcb/Karl-Ancestry-update-2022.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/BsJzcDM/Karls-parents-break-down-2022.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Grandma's update
https://i.ibb.co/DWF474x/Grandmas-ancestry-update-2022.jpg (https://ibb.co/h9NsKsP)

so you can compare my results with parents actual results and my parental breakdown and compare my mothers parental breakdown with my maternal Grandmothers actual results.

Seems to be a bit off, for example my moms parental breakdown says she received 2% eastern european from her mother, yet my grandma has zero in her actual results or it says I inherited 16% German from my mother but in my moms actual results she only has 3%. Still very interesting. The percentages seemed to be a bit more uniform before in my opinion. For example before I could literally divide my parents percentages by 2 and they were very close to my results. This isnt the case anymore so im not sure how good the update is.

[Karol Klačansky]

I wanted buy a kit but reading their comments I think I won't :/

why lol? Ancestry is still one of the better ones out there, is very active with updates and cool things like this parental break down and has one of the biggest number of population samples out there.

[Karol Klačansky]

This is how my parental inheritance results look like.
I assuming that parent 1 is probably my father, since i have known Zipser German ancestry from his side.
While parent 2 is probably my mother.

But i tested my mother with Ancestry DNA, i am waiting for her results which i will get in approximately a week!

https://i.postimg.cc/htYZDLmH/image.png

yea parent 1 is always the father (silly PC culture today is annoying), but really interesting it could pick up his German ancestry, almost incredible actually.

[Karol Klačansky]

Good Job Ancestry! :thumb001:



https://i.ibb.co/9NDYJMp/95109-C01-54-B7-4957-A6-E8-5-C8-F5027456-A.png (https://ibb.co/HVSg0JK)
https://i.ibb.co/yQGsQDp/FF4-C63-B4-7-DE9-4-F08-956-D-F8-E4021-BD4-D1.png (https://ibb.co/RDZHD1N)
https://i.ibb.co/SvnjKs6/F24-E149-C-F788-4508-9702-5-DEB71-ACEB4-B.png (https://ibb.co/s3wfFmg)

nice amount of basque ancestry! Argentinians are freaking european genetically, impressive.

[J. Ketch]

Mine, looks good.

https://i.postimg.cc/tJnvx7pW/anc2022.jpg

Nailed the genetic inheritance too

https://i.postimg.cc/6qRJNM7k/anc2022a.jpg

[frankhammer]

Ugh. Ancestry love to paint every Englishman as Irish, Scots or Welsh. 48%? GTFOH

England & Northwestern Europe 41%
Scotland 37%
Sweden & Denmark 11%
Wales 6%
Ireland 5%

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/VNMsxWkr/newa.png

https://i.postimg.cc/HxgWd8rS/newa2.png

Largest amount of Amerindian I've received in a commercial test thus far, again I think the amount of Scottish ancestry is overestimated. The parent analysis is consistent with what I know about my family tree. Again however too much Scottish on my fathers' side.

[HelloGuys]

https://i.postimg.cc/VNMsxWkr/newa.png

https://i.postimg.cc/HxgWd8rS/newa2.png

Largest amount of Amerindian I've received in a commercial test thus far, again I think the amount of Scottish ancestry is overestimated. The parent analysis is consistent with what I know about my family tree. Again however too much Scottish on my fathers' side.

I have been reading and seeing several results (Mainly of latinamericans xd) from that DNA company and many have agreed that AncestryDNA inflate the Amerindian and SSA components in comparation with other companies (Especially 23andme).

Besides that Scottish many are scoring it and some don't even have that roots :confused:

[Mortimer]

https://i.ibb.co/PTbbP5P/Ancestry-DNAParent-Inheritance.jpg (https://ibb.co/f8KKyCy)
https://i.ibb.co/1MBKPcq/Ancestry-DNAUpdate-April2022.jpg (https://ibb.co/8bG2fk5)

[J. Ketch]

My ranges:

England & NW Europe: Your ethnicity estimate is 48%, but it can range from 39—50%.
Ireland: Your ethnicity estimate is 45%, but it can range from 33—46%.
Scotland: Your ethnicity estimate is 3%, but it can range from 0—20%
Sweden & Denmark: Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—4%
Wales: Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—9%

Seems like anything with a range to 0% can be ignored if you want, or chalked up to medieval inheritance.

Mother's result
https://i.postimg.cc/sD9q9Q54/anc2022as.jpg

Her ranges:

England & NW Europe: Your ethnicity estimate is 82%, but it can range from 69—100%
Norway: Your ethnicity estimate is 7%, but it can range from 0—18%
Wales: Your ethnicity estimate is 6%, but it can range from 0—17%
Scotland: Your ethnicity estimate is 3%, but it can range from 0—14%
Ireland: Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—8%

[J. Ketch]

yea parent 1 is always the father (silly PC culture today is annoying), but really interesting it could pick up his German ancestry, almost incredible actually.
Apparently parent 1 can be either father or mother.

[Coastal Elite]

https://i.imgur.com/yIMvjtK.jpg

[paradox]

Mine

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220414/11624cd466985e16f648ec1106026d29.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220414/9da911fcc8dd7491ac3400877fb645cf.jpg

[Mortimer]

Minehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220414/1562eb4234de3b15ed91e1d4ce31ef6c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220414/c8499242107c95aab28ca56d04875493.jpg

Is your Macedonian parent slav or greek?

[Grace O'Malley]

I've lost Scotland and it has now been replaced with Wales.

https://i.imgur.com/r1YFpgt.png

Daughter's result

https://i.imgur.com/z00rkqo.png

[Grace O'Malley]

https://i.imgur.com/yIMvjtK.jpg

Have you lost your Cork CG?

[Coastal Elite]

Have you lost your Cork CG?

I posted the condensed version from my iPhone. I still have all the Cork regions. They can't take that away from me :p.

https://i.imgur.com/c87Tmdo.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

I posted the condensed version from my iPhone. I still have all the Cork regions. They can't take that away from me :p.

https://i.imgur.com/c87Tmdo.jpg

Oh thank God for that. :) I was worried about your mental health if they took away your Cork CG. :p

I'd be mad if they took any of mine away.

[Karol Klačansky]

My Slovak sister in laws restuls. Shes essentially half bratislava region and half Prievidza area.
https://i.ibb.co/bRxrBQp/Petra-ancestry-update-2022.jpg (https://ibb.co/sJhFwbL)

[rothaer]

The update was good, but I have to inform those that do not have a widely researched genealogy that the AncestryDNA results still require an interpretation beyond what they do state.

In the current update I have 17% Sweden & Denmark, 2% Norway, 2% England & NW Europe and 2% Ireland, in sum 23% which are assigned simply wrongly. I don't have such ancestors. As for me these 23% will have to be interpreted as some form of Germanic concentrate. I also do get 13% Baltics, but I do just have abt. 1% of my ancestry from an area in East Prussia where there can be a Baltic contribution. So 12% of this will have to be considered Slavic-mediated.

So actually I have 23% + 12% = 35% at AncestryDNA that can still not be taken for face value.

[rothaer]

(...) i have known Zipser German ancestry (...)

Have you been there? I love Leutschau and Käsmark (Levoca/Kesmarok)!

[Karol Klačansky]

The update was good, but I have to inform those that do not have a widely researched genealogy that the AncestryDNA results still require an interpretation beyond what they do state.

In the current update I have 17% Sweden & Denmark, 2% Norway, 2% England & NW Europe and 2% Ireland, in sum 23% which are assigned simply wrongly. I don't have such ancestors. As for me these 23% will have to be interpreted as some form of Germanic concentrate. I also do get 13% Baltics, but I do just have abt. 1% of my ancestry from an area in East Prussia where there can be a Baltic contribution. So 12% of this will have to be considered Slavic-mediated.

So actually I have 23% + 12% = 35% at AncestryDNA that can still not be taken for face value.

can you share ur full results?

[rothaer]

My ranges:

England & NW Europe: Your ethnicity estimate is 48%, but it can range from 39—50%.
Ireland: Your ethnicity estimate is 45%, but it can range from 33—46%.
Scotland: Your ethnicity estimate is 3%, but it can range from 0—20%
Sweden & Denmark: Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—4%
Wales: Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—9%

Seems like anything with a range to 0% can be ignored if you want, or chalked up to medieval inheritance.

Mother's result
https://i.postimg.cc/sD9q9Q54/anc2022as.jpg

Her ranges:

England & NW Europe: Your ethnicity estimate is 82%, but it can range from 69—100%
Norway: Your ethnicity estimate is 7%, but it can range from 0—18%
Wales: Your ethnicity estimate is 6%, but it can range from 0—17%
Scotland: Your ethnicity estimate is 3%, but it can range from 0—14%
Ireland: Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—8%

My not applicable Sweden & Denmark: Your ethnicity estimate is 17%, but it can range from 0—28%.

Good that they state it that cautious way, but then you can "excuse" essentially everything. However, true will be that there is 17% Sweden&Denmark-like DNA which then is accessible to further plausible interpretation.

[rothaer]

can you share ur full results?

https://i.imgur.com/Ek1bbhX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7R0KqoP.jpg

Note that this Central Poland DNA community that in the first pic is shown as a subsection of ”Eastern Europe & Russia”, in the second pic is stated to be connected via ”Germanic Europe” as well. (Actually that community are German settlers of Pomeranian stock in Central Poland that later also spread to Wolhynia.)

[Karol Klačansky]

https://i.imgur.com/Ek1bbhX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7R0KqoP.jpg

Note that that Central Poland DNA community that in the first pic is shown as a subsection of ”Eastern Europe & Russia” in the second pic is stated to be connected via ”Germanic Europe” as well. (Actually that community are German settlers of Pomeranian stock in Central Poland that later also spread to Wolhynia.)

The slavic ancestry is high in you my friend.

[rothaer]

The slavic ancestry is high in you my friend.

Yes and this genetic places me very well in line with my known regional ancestry (here a LM Genetics correlation map based on my K36 results):

https://i.imgur.com/XvHKfhf.jpg

[Gergő Marosvári]

Have you been there? I love Leutschau and Käsmark (Levoca/Kesmarok)!

I have never been there, but I'd love to visit it one day!
My Zipser 2x great-grandmother was coming from Smolník/Schmölnitz/Szomolnok.

[Ljubic]

Any Full Serbs who tested? Do you also get Central Croatia?

[rothaer]

Here's a Western German result. This individual with a very long paper trail is purely half from Westphalia and half from the Bavarian-Upper Austrian border.

The result is essentially typical, especially that he in the Germanic associated part has 17% Norway + 13% England & NW Europe + 9% Sweden & Denmark + 2% Scotland = 41% wrongly assigned.

If an US customer that has not done ancestry research would get this result he woluld likely not think that this reflects being 100% German. So there will likely be loads of erronous assumptions out there among tested people.

https://i.imgur.com/aJ550t8.jpg

[rothaer]

Here's another Eastern German result (half from County Glatz in Silesia and half from Pomeranian settlers in Poland + some likely Northwest Germans):

https://i.imgur.com/PkmGP9G.jpg

[Karol Klačansky]

Yes and this genetic places me very well in line with my known regional ancestry (here a LM Genetics correlation map based on my K36 results):

https://i.imgur.com/XvHKfhf.jpg

yes my background also makes my admixture similar to east germans, actually we cluster not far from eachother on G25 and my K36 map also looks some what similar to yours.
https://i.ibb.co/CMvQ7HR/K36-Map-Karol.png (https://ibb.co/9V2WTrQ)

[rothaer]

Here's a Czech result (half from Northwest of Prague and half from the surrounding of Brno):

https://i.imgur.com/SwRun7t.jpg

[rothaer]

yes my background also makes my admixture similar to east germans, actually we cluster not far from eachother on G25 and my K36 map also looks some what similar to yours.
https://i.ibb.co/CMvQ7HR/K36-Map-Karol.png (https://ibb.co/9V2WTrQ)

True, you could be addressed an artificial East German. :)

I also saw our proximity in G25 and K36 in the TA members modelling. You are my lowest distance.

[Karol Klačansky]

True, you could be addressed an artificial East German. :)

I also saw our proximity in G25 and K36 in the TA members modelling. You are my lowest distance.

How do you feel about your slavic ancestry? were you suprised to be so slavic when you first started testing yourself?

[Luke35]

Here's a Western German result. This individual with a very long paper trail is purely half from Westphalia and half from the Bavarian-Upper Austrian border.

The result is essentially typical, especially that he in the Germanic associated part has 17% Norway + 13% England & NW Europe + 9% Sweden & Denmark + 2% Scotland = 41% wrongly assigned.

If an US customer that has not done ancestry research would get this result he woluld likely not think that this reflects being 100% German. So there will likely be loads of erronous assumptions out there among tested people.

https://i.imgur.com/aJ550t8.jpg

Here are my mother and my uncle (her brother). They are 88% German/12% English paper trail. I can understand their results in the context of Ancestry's categories, but as you say, a less informed customer could be very confused by these results.

https://i.imgur.com/aEjmZN3.png

[rothaer]

How do you feel about your slavic ancestry? were you suprised to be so slavic when you first started testing yourself?

I feel okay with my Slavic DNA proportion and it actually was ever since part of my consciousness and indentity.

I was always interested in history and etymology. Roughly half of the German people area was once settled by Slavs, here marked by a white line and I knew that we hailed kind of 95% from there.

https://i.imgur.com/mYeA5Z4.jpg

The vast majority of German place names east of that line, not just Berlin, are obviously Slavic in etymology. Farm houses as far west as Southeast of Hamburg show two Germanic horse heads https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pferdek%C3%B6pfe_(Giebelschmuck) if their inhabitants carry the tradition of Germanic settlers or a pin (Wendenstab, Wendenknüppel, Geckpfahl https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geckpfahl ) if they carry the tradition of Wends (indigenous Slavs). All together identified as Germans.

But all this is no secret knowledge of mine, but well known and conscious in Germany (at least among educated people) and the attitude towards all Wendish in history is that they were less developed, but nevertheless are seen basically friendly. The ruling noble family in Mecklenburg (till 1918) f. i. was Wendish (patrilinearily). In German Pomeranian noble families the first name Bogislav was used, f. i. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogislav_von_Selchow Etc. etc. Wendish, including the Spreewaldwenden (Sorbs), are part of the German folklore, at least for these, living in the eastern half.

Now, I was not surprised about the results, except maybe that I expected a lower Germanic-like DNA proportion, because I’m rather dark. May sound stupid from today’s knowledge, but this is how it was.

[rothaer]

Here are my mother and my uncle (her brother). They are 88% German/12% English paper trail. I can understand their results in the context of Ancestry's categories, but as you say, a less informed customer could be very confused by these results.

https://i.imgur.com/aEjmZN3.png

Yes, based on that Western German result, your mother's and your uncle's results seem well in line with their known paper trail. :thumb001:

[Karol Klačansky]

I feel okay with my Slavic DNA proportion and it actually was ever since part of my consciousness and indentity.

I was always interested in history and etymology. Roughly half of the German people area was once settled by Slavs, here marked by a white line and I knew that we hailed kind of 95% from there.

https://i.imgur.com/mYeA5Z4.jpg

The vast majority of German place names east of that line, not just Berlin, are obviously Slavic in etymology. Farm houses as far west as Southeast of Hamburg show two Germanic horse heads https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pferdek%C3%B6pfe_(Giebelschmuck) if their inhabitants carry the tradition of Germanic settlers or a pin (Wendenstab, Wendenknüppel, Geckpfahl https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geckpfahl ) if they carry the tradition of Wends (indigenous Slavs). All together identified as Germans.

But all this is no secret knowledge of mine, but well known and conscious in Germany (at least among educated people) and the attitude towards all Wendish in history is that they were less developed, but nevertheless are seen basically friendly. The ruling noble family in Mecklenburg (till 1918) f. i. was Wendish (patrilinearily). In German Pomeranian noble families the first name Bogislav was used, f. i. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogislav_von_Selchow Etc. etc. Wendish, including the Spreewaldwenden (Sorbs), are part of the German folklore, at least for these, living in the eastern half.

Now, I was not surprised about the results, except maybe that I expected a lower Germanic-like DNA proportion, because I’m rather dark. May sound stupid from today’s knowledge, but this is how it was.

yea its interesting, when I first started learning about genetics and athropology I wasnt aware at all about Eastern Germanys slavic past, nice to hear you feel positive towards it. I think many Germans and Austrians are still quite negative about slavic people (Not in a serious way but just sort of negative).

[TeutonicBoyars]

Here's a Czech result (half from Northwest of Prague and half from the surrounding of Brno):

https://i.imgur.com/SwRun7t.jpg

Holy fuck what an outlier. I have a few cousins who are half Czech and most of them get the correct amount of EE categories. However, most of them were also from more insulated, smaller towns historically. I'm guessing this Czech has German ancestors due to the multinational nature of the aforementioned cities they had just in the last two centuries.

[mariusz99]

The update was good, but I have to inform those that do not have a widely researched genealogy that the AncestryDNA results still require an interpretation beyond what they do state.

In the current update I have 17% Sweden & Denmark, 2% Norway, 2% England & NW Europe and 2% Ireland, in sum 23% which are assigned simply wrongly. I don't have such ancestors. As for me these 23% will have to be interpreted as some form of Germanic concentrate. I also do get 13% Baltics, but I do just have abt. 1% of my ancestry from an area in East Prussia where there can be a Baltic contribution. So 12% of this will have to be considered Slavic-mediated.

So actually I have 23% + 12% = 35% at AncestryDNA that can still not be taken for face value.

And the rest of your results is Eastern Europe ?

[TeutonicBoyars]

And the rest of your results is Eastern Europe ?

He did post them already. I was surprised at how much Eastern European he got (more than me as a half Russian). I would love to see his geneaology. I know Germans typically have some Slavic component but I've never seen this much, even among Germans with ancestry from former Prussia.

[Luke35]

About a year ago I emailed Ancestry and told them that they badly needed a parental phasing feature.

So, you're welcome everybody.

[rothaer]

yea its interesting, when I first started learning about genetics and athropology I wasnt aware at all about Eastern Germanys slavic past, nice to hear you feel positive towards it. I think many Germans and Austrians are still quite negative about slavic people (Not in a serious way but just sort of negative).

To really feel positive about it, is maybe exaggerated. I said okay. Nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to be proud of. Just okay and applicable. And part of the identity.

You said „(...) negative about slavic people (Not in a serious way but just sort of negative).“ This is well expressed and it’s applicable.
And it widely applies to Eastern Germans as well to have such an opinion. A number of Slavic people and the conditions of their countries make it not exactly decorating to refer to them. We know about this notable contribution and it is okay, especially our own Wendish one, but we don’t summarize ourselves as a Slavic people. We have a smile on our face when we talk about it and we consider it to be connected with some traits as being less tidy etc. In Austria you speak about „Schlawiner“ even. But also that doesn’t meant that it’s denied to have an own such contribution.

Here in the northern half it’s more the „polnische Wirtschaft“ (means chaotic and very unorderly conditions) that is the role model of what is to be avoided under all circumstances. Being connectend with that exceeds what is funny and is a real and serious accusation. Not to say close to a social execution. To be perfectly honest I think that the well known German (and Prussian!) order even emerged out of an internal struggle to not come into any proximity of a „polnische Wirtschaft“.
I know other Germanics like Dutch and Swedes and they are orderly as well, but also much more laid back than Germans and do not make a big deal out of it and do also not exaggerate. Slavs are a little bit more fanatic. So I actually think that it’s the Slavic contribution in Germans that has given rise to that specific Prussian order celebration. It may sound strange at a first glance. But also if you mix copper and tin you get something that exceeds both „parental“ metals in a particular aspect (bronze is harder than both copper and tin).

Yes, so things are somewhat complicated and ambigous.

[rothaer]

Holy fuck what an outlier. I have a few cousins who are half Czech and most of them get the correct amount of EE categories. However, most of them were also from more insulated, smaller towns historically. I'm guessing this Czech has German ancestors due to the multinational nature of the aforementioned cities they had just in the last two centuries.

This Czech gets in sum 57% EE & Russia and Baltics, I get 51%. I don't know whether that Czech is an outlier. 30% of Czech surnames are said to be etymologically German. I also found the Czech 2013 presidential elections funny as there were 7 out of 9 candidates (78%) with obviously etymologically German surnames. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Czech_presidential_election

[Karol Klačansky]

Holy fuck what an outlier. I have a few cousins who are half Czech and most of them get the correct amount of EE categories. However, most of them were also from more insulated, smaller towns historically. I'm guessing this Czech has German ancestors due to the multinational nature of the aforementioned cities they had just in the last two centuries.

not really a hige outlier, these results are still well within the relm for whats normal for czechs especially bohemians. they are just more western shifted, but its not uncommen for bohemians to be essentially half slavic (in this case a bit more than half)

[Karol Klačansky]

can u share ur results?

[rothaer]

He did post them already. I was surprised at how much Eastern European he got (more than me as a half Russian). I would love to see his geneaology. I know Germans typically have some Slavic component but I've never seen this much, even among Germans with ancestry from former Prussia.

Well, I've seen a lot of Germans with more EE than me. Farther up here I've posted my LM Genetics correlation map - here again -

https://i.imgur.com/XvHKfhf.jpg

and it does show me with highest correlations (partly over 0.97) in the eastern half of German people area which implies that I'm no outlier for these regions, but seemingly typical.

As for my genealogy I know 1000+ direct ancestors but for maybe getting some weighted overview where they are from I made this map, showing where my 64 ancestors (white dots) 6 generations ago, i. e. at abt. 1800, lived. Arrows do show where they came from before. Just four dots in Central Poland are Poles.

https://i.imgur.com/BuoaCga.jpg

I actually consider the LM Genetics correlation map stunning in line with my known ancestry, don't you think so?

Or is there another approach you’d like to do to my genealogy?

[Karol Klačansky]

correlation maps still arent the best thoigh because they are purely based on admixture. you are well within the norm for eastern germans but still ok the more eastern shifted end I think ( but yes Ive seen even more eastern shifted germans.

the better way is IBD comparison like ancestry is doing. its not perfect but will get better as their database grows. Still theyve even managed to pinpoint my ancestry to western slovakia and to the early settlers of Pennsylvania,Ohio, and Illinios which is exactly where my american ancestry is originally from for the most part.

[Karol Klačansky]

To really feel positive about it, is maybe exaggerated. I said okay. Nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to be proud of. Just okay and applicable. And part of the identity.

You said „(...) negative about slavic people (Not in a serious way but just sort of negative).“ This is well expressed and it’s applicable.
And it widely applies to Eastern Germans as well to have such an opinion. A number of Slavic people and the conditions of their countries make it not exactly decorating to refer to them. We know about this notable contribution and it is okay, especially our own Wendish one, but we don’t summarize ourselves as a Slavic people. We have a smile on our face when we talk about it and we consider it to be connected with some traits as being less tidy etc. In Austria you speak about „Schlawiner“ even. But also that doesn’t meant that it’s denied to have an own such contribution.

Here in the northern half it’s more the „polnische Wirtschaft“ (means chaotic and very unorderly conditions) that is the role model of what is to be avoided under all circumstances. Being connectend with that exceeds what is funny and is a real and serious accusation. Not to say close to a social execution. To be perfectly honest I think that the well known German (and Prussian!) order even emerged out of an internal struggle to not come into any proximity of a „polnische Wirtschaft“.
I know other Germanics like Dutch and Swedes and they are orderly as well, but also much more laid back and do not make a big deal out of it and do also not exaggerate. Slavs are a little bit more fanatic. So I actually think that it’s the Slavic contribution in Germans that has given rise to that specific Prussian order celebration. It may sound strange at a first glance. But also if you mix copper and tin you get something that exceeds both „parental“ metals in a particular aspect (bronze is harder than both copper and tin).

Yes, so things are somewhat complicated and ambigous.

well to feel positive about something is a very neutral statement in english, but i see youre German so even that comes across as exaggerated 😂.

I dont have much experience with east germans but i agree with the fanatic part about slavic people. Ive always said in the west they are softer and not very harsh (like in british culture where everyone is polite) but they arent very warm and affectionate at the same time, while in the east people can be agressive and harsh but also very affectionate. My father would give me ass whoppings regularly but was also very affectionate at the same time for example. Austrians I think inherited the lack of affection and warm part from the west, but got some of the aggression ans harshness from the east and in some ways i think it makes for a bit of a rigid culture.

I agree also that slavic people can be more disorderly but im not sure where the less tidy stereotype comes from, at least in mu opinion west slavs may have a bit more rundown cities (this is changing though) but they are for the most party pretty clean and slavic homes are immaculate, i would in the home at least slovaks are fanatical about keep things clean, in my house we werent even really allowed to use a mop as we had to clean everything on our hands and knees, and I know my family in slovakia is even more extreme.

Well I hope in the future austrians and germans can feel more positive about their eastern neighbors considering how much they share culturally (and even genetically)

interesting to hear your point of view though.

[TeutonicBoyars]

not really a hige outlier, these results are still well within the relm for whats normal for czechs especially bohemians. they are just more western shifted, but its not uncommen for bohemians to be essentially half slavic (in this case a bit more than half)

I don't really know what we can consider "normal" for Czechs in this update since it was just released. Also, in my own research (I have looked at Czech kits extensively) it's actually Northern Morvaians/Silesian Czechs that have the highest German component.

Generally when looking at dna kits I prefer to stick to people with ancestry from smaller towns. Especially for Czechs, who genetically probably don't look like what they did some 200 years ago since the ethnic situations in the larger towns were in constant flux since the 30 years war, and especially in the 19th century. Lots of pressure for either Czechs or Germans to assimilate to one group or the other depending on politics. As this Czech individual in question has ancestry from the two biggest towns in the country, I think it would be likely that his results are from this situation.

All in all, we need more Czech samples. I used to fiercely subscribe to the idea that Czechs were basically Slavic speaking Germans but years later knowing what I know now it's far too simple to say that, especially historically. "Genetically German" Czechs would be a fairly recent phenomenon.

As for my results:

39% Eastern Europe and Russia
24% Sweden and Denmark
16% Norway
10% Germanic Europe
9% Baltic States
2% England/NW Europe

[Wegner]

Latest update has decreased my England/NW Europe, removed Ireland entirely, and increased Sweden/Denmark and Germanic Europe:

43% Germanic Europe
40% Sweden and Denmark
11% England/NW Europe
3% Eastern Europe/Russia
2% Finland
1% Baltics

[Annie999]

Thanks for the heads up.

My Spanish reduced, French increased, Southern Italy completely disappeared and I think it turned into Lebanese. Scotland and Finland showed up.

https://i.ibb.co/dkVkmQt/ANN.jpg

Results once again match more or less my paper trail.

[rothaer]

well to feel positive about something is a very neutral statement in english, but i see youre German so even that comes across as exaggerated ��.

I dont have much experience with east germans but i agree with the fanatic part about slavic people. Ive always said in the west they are softer and not very harsh (like in british culture where everyone is polite) but they arent very warm and affectionate at the same time, while in the east people can be agressive and harsh but also very affectionate. My father would give me ass whoppings regularly but was also very affectionate at the same time for example. Austrians I think inherited the lack of affection and warm part from the west, but got some of the aggression ans harshness from the east and in some ways i think it makes for a bit of a rigid culture.

I agree also that slavic people can be more disorderly but im not sure where the less tidy stereotype comes from, at least in mu opinion west slavs may have a bit more rundown cities (this is changing though) but they are for the most party pretty clean and slavic homes are immaculate, i would in the home at least slovaks are fanatical about keep things clean, in my house we werent even really allowed to use a mop as we had to clean everything on our hands and knees, and I know my family in slovakia is even more extreme.

Well I hope in the future austrians and germans can feel more positive about their eastern neighbors considering how much they share culturally (and even genetically)

interesting to hear your point of view though.

I can agree.

Also I maybe used the word tidy wrongly. I meant it in the sense of orderly, not in the sense of clean. When I checked for the translation both meanings were shown.

Btw. Czechs are actually not referred to with that common German "Slav" stereotype, it's more about Poles as well known neighbors. Slovaks are essentially unknown in Germany. But I've been in Slovakia and I can say it's definitely more orderly than Poland. I remember when I once drove from Poland to Slovakia in the Tatra region and I was suprised when I crossed the border, because it made an impression like in Germany (Tatranska Lomnica - very pleasant). What's the difference? In Poland holiday destinations tend to become like a fun fair. But in Slovakia obviously not. IMO Slovakia is one of the most underrated countries in Europe. Landscapes and towns are top and regarding the other conditions there is nothing to complain about. (Btw. "nothing to complain about" ("da kann man nicht meckern") is said to be the highest appreciation that a Brandenburgian at all can express! Lol. )

[Russki]

This Czech gets in sum 57% EE & Russia and Baltics, I get 51%. I don't know whether that Czech is an outlier. 30% of Czech surnames are said to be etymologically German. I also found the Czech 2013 presidential elections funny as there were 7 out of 9 candidates (78%) with obviously etymologically German surnames. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Czech_presidential_election



Doesn't his 13% Baltics indicate that some of his ancestors were Ostpreußen Germans?

Btw, I was confused for a while about this "Baltics" category on AncestryDNA.

I've wondered if Estonians get 100% "Baltics" results (presumably because it's based on the concept of Baltic States), but apparently they get some kind of Baltics and Finland categories mixture.


https://sun9-11.userapi.com/impf/_hCKAxn5D7u924nxKq2-zqMM9pw5unZaeNE75A/Vjgohnec5ls.jpg?size=1166x1600&quality=95&sign=66f88099c4e60929db3605a962eda6f9&type=album

[Karol Klačansky]

I don't really know what we can consider "normal" for Czechs in this update since it was just released. Also, in my own research (I have looked at Czech kits extensively) it's actually Northern Morvaians/Silesian Czechs that have the highest German component.

Generally when looking at dna kits I prefer to stick to people with ancestry from smaller towns. Especially for Czechs, who genetically probably don't look like what they did some 200 years ago since the ethnic situations in the larger towns were in constant flux since the 30 years war, and especially in the 19th century. Lots of pressure for either Czechs or Germans to assimilate to one group or the other depending on politics. As this Czech individual in question has ancestry from the two biggest towns in the country, I think it would be likely that his results are from this situation.

All in all, we need more Czech samples. I used to fiercely subscribe to the idea that Czechs were basically Slavic speaking Germans but years later knowing what I know now it's far too simple to say that, especially historically. "Genetically
German" Czechs would be a fairly recent phenomenon.

As for my results:

39% Eastern Europe and Russia
24% Sweden and Denmark
16% Norway
10% Germanic Europe
9% Baltic States
2% England/NW Europe

the results may be recently updated but the fact that some czechs are a bit more than half slavic genetically is normal. Ive also seen a lot of czwch samples and ive seen Bohemian samples that are even more western shifted. Its just not that suprising. I mean you may be right about the citt thing but im not sure. This person may be associated with those two areas because they have most of their czech samples coming from there. In reality if they are from north west of prague and around Brno then they have ancestry from villages.

thanks for sharing your results, Youre an interesting mix. Would be curious to see your k13 results and oracle?

[Karol Klačansky]

Doesn't his 13% Baltics indicate that some of his ancestors were Ostpreußen Germans?

Btw, I was confused for a while about this "Baltics" category on AncestryDNA.

I've wondered if Estonians get 100% "Baltics" results (presumably because it's based on the concept of Baltic States), but apparently they get some kind of Baltics and Finland categories mixture.


https://sun9-11.userapi.com/impf/_hCKAxn5D7u924nxKq2-zqMM9pw5unZaeNE75A/Vjgohnec5ls.jpg?size=1166x1600&quality=95&sign=66f88099c4e60929db3605a962eda6f9&type=album

No, even he says he has like 1% of known ancestry from baltic Preußens. All Slavic people are scoring pretty descent amount of baltic on ancestry.

[rothaer]

correlation maps still arent the best thoigh because they are purely based on admixture.

Depends on what you want to have depicted. I agree to that it does not show the ancestry, unless maybe for unmixed people.


the better way is IBD comparison like ancestry is doing. its not perfect but will get better as their database grows. Still theyve even managed to pinpoint my ancestry to western slovakia and to the early settlers of Pennsylvania,Ohio, and Illinios which is exactly where my american ancestry is originally from for the most part.

I think that micro IBD sharing will be the future best way to determine the ancestry composition, but it requires enormous databases. But it has to be noted that AncestryDNA is NOT using this for the ancestral breakdown. It just uses it for assigning testees to regions or genetic communities. What's the difference? Your regions or genetic communities have ZERO effect on your ancestral breakdown. It just determines a more or less strong connection (by IBD) but there is no proportion assigned.

The same applies to 23andMe. Also there the ancestry composition and the "recent ancestry locations" are two completely separated procedures and tools, no matter that the results are presented together.

[Karol Klačansky]

Depends on what you want to have depicted. I agree to that it does not show the ancestry, unless maybe for unmixed people.



I think that micro IBD sharing will be the future best way to determine the ancestry composition, but it requires enormous databases. But it has to be noted that AncestryDNA is NOT using this for the ancestral breakdown. It just uses it for assigning testees to regions or genetic communities. What's the difference? Your regions or genetic communities have ZERO effect on your ancestral breakdown. It just determines a more or less strong connection (by IBD) but there is no proportion assigned.

The same applies to 23andMe. Also there the ancestry composition and the "recent ancestry locations" are two completely separated procedures and tools, no matter that the results are presented together.

yes exactly they dont use it for the percentages just for their communities, but it goes to show their communities are pretty accuracte.

[rothaer]

Doesn't his 13% Baltics indicate that some of his ancestors were Ostpreußen Germans?

For that Czech? I consider that extremely unlikely. Like to assume an Irish immigration to Bulgaria.


Btw, I was confused for a while about this "Baltics" category on AncestryDNA.
I've wondered if Estonians get 100% "Baltics" results (presumably because it's based on the concept of Baltic States), but apparently they get some kind of Baltics and Finland categories mixture.
https://sun9-11.userapi.com/impf/_hCKAxn5D7u924nxKq2-zqMM9pw5unZaeNE75A/Vjgohnec5ls.jpg?size=1166x1600&quality=95&sign=66f88099c4e60929db3605a962eda6f9&type=album

How the whole togetherhang is with the "Baltics" component I can not really assess.

But I actually happen to be able to give an example. Here's a full Estonian individual with all ancestry generations back from the countryside close to Pernau/Pärnu. I marked it with a red dot. In older terms it's the northernmost part of Livland/Livonia.

https://i.imgur.com/mjBBLrB.jpg

[rothaer]

yes exactly they dont use it for the percentages just for their communities, but it goes to show their communities are pretty accuracte.

Yes, the regions and communities are stunning accurate. As AncestryDNA has some 200 (!) regions for Scandinavia, that topic can well be used for distinguishing real Scandinavian from that fake Scandinavian in Germans. Here's an example of an American that has 1/8 from Norway. 10% only, but real:

https://i.imgur.com/k4FWvSo.jpg

[Russki]

For that Czech? I consider that impossible. Like to assume an Irish immigration to Bulgaria.


There was no internal movement of people?





How the whole togetherhang is with the "Baltics" component I can not really assess.

But I actually happen to be able to give an example. Here is a full Estonian individual with all ancestry generations back from the countryside close to Pernau/Pärnu. I marked it with a red dot. In older terms it's the northernmost part of Livland/Livonia.

https://i.imgur.com/mjBBLrB.jpg



Seems like AncestryDNA splits up Latvians and Lithuanians into different regions of approximations lol


https://sun1-86.userapi.com/impf/SnMVNbsjDLVYTUHuQ7mtgRjgbHbxTNNxg-nBuA/R_ZNk_JO06A.jpg?size=552x212&quality=95&sign=0a2ddbe20d3bbeba843f0636589694e5&type=album

https://sun9-87.userapi.com/impf/nIlufF1V0ZHO46T9njU-_6YQI780rSmex8XGLw/SKE1nDxdN3w.jpg?size=474x112&quality=95&sign=787eeedbc3ab1dc68e194a1152b70380&type=album



Weird flex because Czechs and Lithuanians are oceans away on any GEDmatch

[rothaer]

I don't really know what we can consider "normal" for Czechs in this update since it was just released. Also, in my own research (I have looked at Czech kits extensively) it's actually Northern Morvaians/Silesian Czechs that have the highest German component.

Generally when looking at dna kits I prefer to stick to people with ancestry from smaller towns. Especially for Czechs, who genetically probably don't look like what they did some 200 years ago since the ethnic situations in the larger towns were in constant flux since the 30 years war, and especially in the 19th century. Lots of pressure for either Czechs or Germans to assimilate to one group or the other depending on politics. As this Czech individual in question has ancestry from the two biggest towns in the country, I think it would be likely that his results are from this situation.

All in all, we need more Czech samples. I used to fiercely subscribe to the idea that Czechs were basically Slavic speaking Germans but years later knowing what I know now it's far too simple to say that, especially historically. "Genetically German" Czechs would be a fairly recent phenomenon.

As for my results:

39% Eastern Europe and Russia
24% Sweden and Denmark
16% Norway
10% Germanic Europe
9% Baltic States
2% England/NW Europe

The testee's ancestry is not from the cities of Prague and Brno, as I described (northwest of Prague and surrounding of Brno). I just used these two big cities for better geographic orientation, because they are well known. Nevertheless there can have been a lot of vice versa assimilation. But it must not be as recent as 200 years. A number of German areas were Czechisized in the Hussite War's period (15th century).

And we also have the early medieval (9th century) Czech RISE568 that looks roughly half Germanic autosomally. Whether that is anecdotal or representative, I don't know.

[rothaer]

There was no internal movement of people?

From East Prussia to Bohemia (and then moving not among Germans in Bohemia but Czechs and getting assimilated there)?

Within the HRE you had not a common citizenship and Bohemia and East Prussia were never the same state. Only from 1938 onwards in the Sudetenland (ethnic German part of Bohemia/Moravia/Austrian Silesia). So such an East Prussian would have had to make an emigration to another state. Very unlikely to go to Bohemia.

[Russki]

Czechs


https://i.imgur.com/NBjZLwf.png




Lithuanians


https://i.imgur.com/UWgJwCq.png




Estonians


https://i.imgur.com/4KzrhUX.png





How did they create a category with Czech Republic and Lithuania is a mystery of the century lol

[Russki]

From East Prussia to Bohemia (and then moving not among Germans in Bohemia but Czechs and getting assimilated there)?

Within the HRE you had not a common citizenship and Bohemia and East Prussia were never the same state. Only from 1938 onwards in the Sudetenland (ethnic German part of Bohemia/Moravia/Austrian Silesia). So such an East Prussian would have had to make an emigration to another state. Very unlikely to go to Bohemia.



I sometimes forget that Prussia was not a part of HRE

[Ajeje Brazorf]

:(

https://i.imgur.com/0wVCQmq.png

[Karol Klačansky]

How did they create a category with Czech Republic and Lithuania is a mystery of the century lol

They didnt though? im not sure which community you are talking about

the fact that czechs/Slovaks are showing up with high baltic percentages is purely from an anciwnt balto-slavic heritage. Im not aware of any community they have there that lumps czechs and balts together. I rembwr in the past their communities were more broad and they said something like Czech R./Poland/Lithuania community which makes sort of sense as czechs share ibd with poles and poles with lithuanians so there is an indirect connection.

[Russki]

They didnt though? im not sure which community you are talking about



Check it out
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/98mlxi/very_excited_for_the_update_to_see_how_much/
https://sun9-30.userapi.com/impf/cYq-4xlhBAxEL1PI1elDxjJE0cxxdlGtgshKng/mF-02zzuL54.jpg?size=515x492&quality=95&sign=02d29e69c555b85a11d1d3811efa6b07&type=album




And this
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/i1schw/results_finally_here_im_from_the_baltics_with/


And this
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/dj7g6t/can_someone_please_help_me_interpret_this_results/


And this
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/msy310/belarussianwestern_ukrainian_with_polish_roots/


I can find more on your request

[Karol Klačansky]

Check it out
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/98mlxi/very_excited_for_the_update_to_see_how_much/
https://sun9-30.userapi.com/impf/cYq-4xlhBAxEL1PI1elDxjJE0cxxdlGtgshKng/mF-02zzuL54.jpg?size=515x492&quality=95&sign=02d29e69c555b85a11d1d3811efa6b07&type=album

And this
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/i1schw/results_finally_here_im_from_the_baltics_with/


And this
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/dj7g6t/can_someone_please_help_me_interpret_this_results/


And this
https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/msy310/belarussianwestern_ukrainian_with_polish_roots/


I can find more on your request

yea but this is old though isnt it? thats exactly what im saying czechs share ibd with poles and poles with lithuanians but even back then if you were czech you would be a part of the sub group of that thag belonged to just the czech republic. Ibd is not admixture. The fact that lithuanians share IBD segments with even czechs or slovaks or any slavic population isnt suprising at all. you could be half black and half lithunian and in G25 you would be oceans away from Lithunians but in reality your IBD scores would be massive with them.

[Karol Klačansky]

corrected

[Karol Klačansky]

I can agree.

Also I maybe used the word tidy wrongly. I meant it in the sense of orderly, not in the sense of clean. When I checked for the translation both meanings were shown.

Btw. Czechs are actually not referred to with that common German "Slav" stereotype, it's more about Poles as well known neighbors. Slovaks are essentially unknown in Germany. But I've been in Slovakia and I can say it's definitely more orderly than Poland. I remember when I once drove from Poland to Slovakia in the Tatra region and I was suprised when I crossed the border, because it made an impression like in Germany (Tatranska Lomnica - very pleasant). What's the difference? In Poland holiday destinations tend to become like a fun fair. But in Slovakia obviously not. IMO Slovakia is one of the most underrated countries in Europe. Landscapes and towns are top and regarding the other conditions there is nothing to complain about. (Btw. "nothing to complain about" ("da kann man nicht meckern") is said to be the highest appreciation that a Brandenburgian at all can express! Lol. )

could be that slovakia is more orderly, Ive only been in southern poland but I found it quite nice and the towns were pretty orderly, it felt like eastern slovakia to me a bit. Only thing I can say with poles is that it seemed some of the homes in their villages were quite extravagant and wealthy looking compared to slovak villages. I think some Poles have more wealth from having foreign businesses compared to slovaks or something.

[rothaer]

I sometimes forget that Prussia was not a part of HRE

True as for East and West Prussia. But what I said would be applicable as well if it would have been part of the HRE: There was not a common citizenship within the HRE.

[TeutonicBoyars]

In regards to the tested individual, I think my point still stands because they're close enough to those cities. You didn't exactly specify how far one line was from Prague, but I digress. In regards to Brno, if it was within the surroundings it was close enough to the city where the suburban destination would have been attractive for migrants looking to get out of the city.

I'm about to go on a tangent here, so for a brief disclaimer. I'm a hobbyist medievalist, so while I'm by no means an authority, I consider myself well versed, especially in the Czech Lands have always interested me in particular because of its unique situation within Europe.

In regards to your assertion about the Hussite period, I'm assuming you are implying that Czechs could have gotten a Germanic input around this time. This is an incredibly risky assertion because we lack demographic data. Research from the last century (often with German authorship, so we must assume some bias) asserted that entire areas of the Czech kingdom were German, and became Czech only after the Hussite period. More recent research (typically conducted by Czech scholars, so some bias can be assumed, but this is in a period where nationalism is not so much as a driving ideology now, additionally some German scholars echo this opinion) states that areas that were "German" prior to the Hussite period were only so in a socio-political sense - i.e. Magdeburg Law was kind to few individuals who brought it with them, so it was natural that a small number of wealthy German burgher families could instill the culture/language on a surrounding that was otherwise Czech in the masses. Furthermore, medieval chronicles often make it a point to mention that whenever one group (either Hussite or Catholic) got their hands on another group, the end result was usually death or expulsion for the captives. This could very well be church propaganda coming from both sides, but it's worthy to mention it. It's also confounded by the fact that many Czechs remained Catholics during this period, and while it wasn't as common, there were some German Hussites too

So, again, it's very risky to make this assertion about Germanic input in Czechs at this period because of the lack of demographic data. However, one thing we can track is the economy, and after the Hussite Wars, where the Germans were apparently expelled, the economy of the Czech lands managed to bounce right back and even flourish. The only thing that did lose its momentum was the mining industry, as Germans were renowned all over Europe for this industry, (being called as far as Wales to work there) which attests to the presence of Germans in the kingdom, but the former point also calls into question how numerous they were given that things picked up right away after they were expelled, and that the country was able to hold off crusades from Germans and Hungarians for decades, while Czech mercenaries were the most sought after fighting force in all of Europe.

The period after the Thirty Years War is more reliable because it's more recent and there's better demographic data. It is said that Bohemia lost over half of its population, either due to death, expulsion, etc after White Mountain, and Moravia lost a similar proportion (although not as large). This can be backed up with economic data since the Czech lands became an economic backwater and most cities lost 50%+ of their population. Massive German immigration encouraged by the Habsburgs took place, and along with the installation of the German language, it seems likely that many Czechs would have mixed with the newly arrived Germans, as there was little other options. This is where we can speak of Czech's acquiring a German input, although perhaps not to a significant degree since language was the primary determinant of ethnicity at the time, and both groups would be reluctant to assimilate.

The revival in the 19th century is when I personally believe Czechs required the majority of their present Germanic component. This is because a lot of Germans were enthusiastically pushing for the revival of the culture/language, in fact it could be said it was instigated by the interest of the Germans. History loves to ignore this fact because a conflict between Czechs and Germans is more interesting than one of mutual cooperation. Furthermore, the Industrial Revolution brought immigrants from the countryside, whether they be Czech or German, together and encouraged intermarriage to a high degree. A parallel can be seen in the British Islands when a lot of Englishmen acquired an "Irish grandmother".

As for the early medieval sample, that is entirely anecdotal. The other medieval Czech sample looks entirely Lithuanian-like. Furthermore, close to half of the samples from Gotland have around a half-eastern European pull, with some of them being almost fully Balto-Slavic (can't say which for sure) genetically. However, I would never hazard a guess that all Vikings from Gotland were Balto-Slavs.

[Jana]

My update looks really good :) and my Croat ancestry is exactly from Dalmatia and central Croatia.

https://i.imgur.com/HoEquwK.jpg

[Jana]

Stears update (half from western Hungary, half from Transylvania)

https://i.imgur.com/X9QRdao.jpg

[Jana]

My aunt update (from Vojvodina, half German, quarter Serb and 1/8 Greek, with 1/8 unknown but it is either Balkan or Hungarian)

https://i.imgur.com/0oFjsuT.jpg

her region makes sense as her Serb quarter comes from Croatia.

[Jana]

My best friend result (from western Croatia/north Adriatic region)

https://i.imgur.com/O0F4Jmn.jpg

[Luke35]

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[Jana]

Hrvoje result (multiple generation Zagrebian, his father family is ethnically Slovenian)

https://i.imgur.com/ZU37JPq.jpg

His results should be very typical for Croats with multiple generations of residence in Croatian capital.

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

Mu update has , for the first time, given me some North African and Basque
My Mum's family is mainly of Irish and Northern English extraction, with a little Welsh.. I have no known Scottish ancestors. So this high Scottish percentage I'm getting is a little strange

https://i.imgur.com/PgdUnC5.jpg?3

https://i.imgur.com/QqDHIyy.jpg?1

[Celestia]

My sister received some Balkans lol

Scotland 34%
England & Northwestern Europe 27%
Ireland 14%
Norway 12%
Sweden & Denmark 5%
Mali 2%
Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples 2%
The Balkans 2%
France 2%

[oszkar07]

Mu update has , for the first time, given me some North African and Basque
My Mum's family is mainly of Irish and Northern English extraction, with a little Welsh.. I have no known Scottish ancestors. So this high Scottish percentage I'm getting is a little strange

Is your Dad Spanish ?

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

Is your Dad Spanish ?

yes

[oszkar07]

yes

At least they were accurate with getting your ancestry.
Any communities for Spain ?


I got the exaggerated Scottish % too...not sure why that is.
Only known Scot ancestry I heard about is a maternal Great Grandmother who was half Scottish. (my previous post here I said she was full Scot then i recalled she was half Scot half English)
Most of my Maternal side as I know is English and then Irish.

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

At least they were accurate with getting your ancestry.
Any communities for Spain ?


I got the exaggerated Scottish % too...not sure why that is.
Only known Scot ancestry I heard about is a maternal Great Grandmother who was half Scottish.
Most of my Maternal side as I know is English and then Irish.

unfortunately i havent got a breakdown of the Spanish component

i think they have trouble distinguishing Scottish ancestry from Irish and/or northern English tbh

[oszkar07]

unfortunately i havent got a breakdown of the Spanish component

i think they have trouble distinguishing Scottish ancestry from Irish and/or northern English tbh

yeh that could be it and maybe a person with both English and Irish admixture is modelled as Scottish ?

[cakmir7y]

Original

Eastern Europe and Russia 79%
Germanic Europe 6%
Sweden 6%
Baltic States 5%
North Italy 4%


1st update

Eastern Europe and Russia 77%
Germanic Europe 9%
Baltic States 6%
Sweden and Danemark 5%
Greece and Albania 3%


2nd update [April 2022]

https://i.imgur.com/nGLtAyF.png

[Karol Klačansky]

My update

https://i.imgur.com/nGLtAyF.png

very slavic!

[cakmir7y]

very slavic!

Should be!
Progressive decrease in EE proportion is getting evened out by more baltic component.

[Jana]

My aunt update (from Vojvodina, half German, quarter Serb and 1/8 Greek, with 1/8 unknown but it is either Balkan or Hungarian)

https://i.imgur.com/0oFjsuT.jpg

her region makes sense as her Serb quarter comes from Croatia.

Her unknown 1/8 is most likely Serb as well btw, based on ancestry/gedmatch results and matches, but I didn't confirm anything yet with paper trail.

She is best modeled as half west-central German (and notably more northern shifted than south Germans) half Bulgarian (as I guess Serb with 1/8 Greek mix produced Bulgarian like result)

[IceQueen]

Newest results

Ireland: 34%
England & Northwestern Europe: 33%
Scotland: 16%
Norway: 9%
Wales: 8%

[Karol Klačansky]

Should be!
Progressive decrease in EE proportion is getting evened out by more baltic component.

yea baltic+EE are both slavic components in ancestry. Balkan also has some slavic compinent to it, not as much as My Heritage does but still Stearsolina shows up as moatly balkan in this update even though she is well over half slavic jn ancestry.

[Jana]

yea baltic+EE are both slavic components in ancestry. Balkan also has some slavic compinent to it, not as much as My Heritage does but still Stearsolina shows up as moatly balkan in this update even though she is well over half slavic jn ancestry.

It peaks in Serbo-Croatian speakers so basically same as myheritage.

https://i.imgur.com/wcB7YWR.jpg

[Abriekman]

Update is trash for people with minority ancestries like 1/8, now my Bulgarian heritage is swallowed by North Slavic, what a garbage, even though my Bulgarian is very south shifted and was read by 23andme as Balkan/West Asian mix

[Karol Klačansky]

It peaks in Serbo-Croatian speakers so basically same as myheritage.

https://i.imgur.com/wcB7YWR.jpg

yea but northern slavs arent showing up with as much balkan as on my heritage. Ive even seen russians scoring 30%+ balkan on MH. This isnt the case with Ancestry. im not aure how they are differentiating that thoigh as their balkan component clearly covers slavic ancestry.

[Graham]

Ancestry is all within the confidence levels. Important people look at that also. Can't remember what it was before, but doesn't seem much different. The parent think feels like progress, so gets a thumbs up.

https://i.ibb.co/jVCKhDb/image.png

[Grace O'Malley]

I found this result very interesting. It is a full Breton.

https://i.imgur.com/U0b52UH.png

[Longbowman]

I've lost Scotland and it has now been replaced with Wales.

Congratulations, great result.

[Longbowman]

https://i.imgur.com/utYXWkp.png

An improvement, definitely.

[Gergő Marosvári]

I am speechless, totally speechless.
I got my MOTHER'S results today!!!

PERFECT in every single way possible.

https://i.postimg.cc/m25DG3rn/ANCESTRY-ANYA-RISTEN-MEGHALOK-2022-04-19.png

[Carpatz]

https://i.postimg.cc/2yRxgLxq/update.jpg

[Leto]

As for my results:

39% Eastern Europe and Russia
24% Sweden and Denmark
16% Norway
10% Germanic Europe
9% Baltic States
2% England/NW Europe
Unless you insist on not sharing your Gedmatch admixture proportions with us for mysterious reasons, please do share your results. At least Eurogenes K13 & K36, that's what most people use (not necessarily myself). If you're not on Gedmatch, you can get them from yourDNAportal.

[Karol Klačansky]

Unless you insist on not sharing your Gedmatch admixture proportions with us for mysterious reasons, please do share your results. At least Eurogenes K13 & K36, that's what most people use (not necessarily myself). If you're not on Gedmatch, you can get them from yourDNAportal.

yea i dont get it either. Why come on a forum which speaks about genetics but never post ur owm results. He onviously likes the topic.

[Leto]

yea i dont get it either. Why come on a forum which speaks about genetics but never post ur owm results. He onviously likes the topic.
Agreed. Especially given his background is unusual, there's not a lot of half Danes half Russians out there. Polish people are more common in Scandinavia though.

[RyoHazuki]

Still disappointed, my Germanic Europe decreased, my Scottish greatly increased, and still no France but now Northern Italian.

England & NWE 48%
Scottish 28%
Wales 7%
Ireland 6%
Germanic Europe 4%
Sweden and Denmark 3%
Norway 2%
North Italy 2%

[RyoHazuki]

https://i.imgur.com/elGytKa_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Voskos]

88% Aegean
3% Anatolia and Caucasus
3% Greece and Albania
2% Northern Italy
2% Levant
1% Baltics
1% The Balkans

[Ayyleid]

113697113698

My updated results from April of 2022.

[Atlantean Muller]

Here’s my old vs updated results + communities and new inheritance feature
113699
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220430/a4b74a413ecda54562f120c55d355cb3.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220430/b8f7ac3632c5d865b8f8c6f4f1a0bd97.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220430/f290fb73fea95e15dee9dfa6fff16506.jpg


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[Atlantean Muller]

I've lost Scotland and it has now been replaced with Wales.

https://i.imgur.com/r1YFpgt.png

Daughter's result

https://i.imgur.com/z00rkqo.png


My mothers and great aunts communities are very similar to yours

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220430/9955f1e05d14d9608625e59339be7a29.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220430/723406bef06e098a62819f4a7ae9aeaf.jpg


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[Coastal Elite]

https://i.imgur.com/yIMvjtK.jpg

They randomly added another subgroup since this update came out: "North Carolina Settlers - Blue Ridge Mountain".

https://i.imgur.com/66WNwOH.jpg

[Purple Panther]

They randomly added another subgroup since this update came out: "North Carolina Settlers - Blue Ridge Mountain".

https://i.imgur.com/66WNwOH.jpg

That's interesting. Who knew that the Tarheels were Slavs?

[TeutonicBoyars]

yea i dont get it either. Why come on a forum which speaks about genetics but never post ur owm results. He onviously likes the topic.

I'm posting this just so you lot will get off my jock. I didn't think the DNA results of some random person on the internet would be so concerning for anyone that I would constantly be pestered for it. I'm interested in population genetics as a whole, not individuals since it doesn't give an accurate picture of anything, which is why I brought up the Czechs.

38.49% North_Atlantic
36.00% Baltic
11.98% West_Med
4.14% West_Asian
3.67% East_Med
1.16% South_Asian
1.10% Siberian
0.95% Amerindian
0.21% Sub_Saharan

I'm not posting my K36 because that takes way too long to calculate on my piece of shit laptop, and plus it's probably the weirdest calculator for me, giving me some insane amount of Basque or Iberian component (I can't remember which) without having any known ancestry from there. Furthermore Davidski pretty much indirectly told me Eurogenes is crap now.

[hazmatnik]

My updated result. Balkan is still missing some communities.

https://i.postimg.cc/BnyvGSVp/Screenshot-20220603-224553-Ancestry.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9Dd2dhVw)

[de Burgh II]

Interdasting.... :levitate:

https://i.postimg.cc/3wz5RWXS/Untitled.jpg

[RyoHazuki]

Estimate ranges:

England & Northwestern Europe
Your ethnicity estimate is 48%, but it can range from 44—63%.

Scotland
Your ethnicity estimate is 28%, but it can range from 12—30%.

Ireland
Your ethnicity estimate is 6%, but it can range from 0—10%.

Germanic Europe
Your ethnicity estimate is 4%, but it can range from 0—27%

Sweden & Denmark
Your ethnicity estimate is 3%, but it can range from 0—10%

Norway
Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—6%.

Northern Italy
Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0—7%.