Do these Dutch look more English or German?

[Africanwidow]

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[Adrianv2]

German

[Oliver109]

German, their facial features are a bit odd, a bit severe for English. Most English looking is the woman in the first pic, man in the first pic also looks sort of English but his nose is a bit longer.

[Africanwidow]

German, their facial features are a bit odd, a bit severe for English. Most English looking is the woman in the first pic, man in the first pic also looks sort of English but his nose is a bit longer.

What do you mean by 'odd' facial features, too rugged to be English?

[Oliver109]

What do you mean by 'odd' facial features, too rugged to be English?

Yeah like the big chins, big mouths, quite wide upper faces.

[Oliver109]

What do you mean by 'odd' facial features, too rugged to be English?

Yeah like the big chins, big mouths, quite wide upper faces.

[Adrianv2]

German

[Gallop]

Germans, they look more oriental than the English who always give a more Atlantic look

[Africanwidow]

Yeah like the big chins, big mouths, quite wide upper faces.

The woman on the bottom right looks the most CM (Dalofaelid). You can really only find those types among Dutch and Germans.

[Immanenz]

Guy middle and right 2nd picture look especially German imo- and yes, the woman pic 3 on the right as well (the Subnordid chick in the middle however not) overall as a group they look too homogenous- even for North Germany, Germans are much more varied

[Dentist]

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Man on the left looks like he has some SSA admix.

[Africanwidow]

Man on the left looks like he has some SSA admix.

Do you mean his relatively long legs? I think that is just natural variation.

[Dentist]

Do you mean his relatively long legs? I think that is just natural variation.

No, I mean the lower half of his face.

[Oliver109]

Guy middle and right 2nd picture look especially German imo- and yes, the woman pic 3 on the right as well (the Subnordid chick in the middle however not) overall as a group they look too homogenous- even for North Germany, Germans are much more varied

Spot on, north Dutch seem to be basically N Germans but sans the central Euro influence that is found in 90% of German areas, little alpine influence, not much brunet or med strains.

[Africanwidow]

No, I mean the lower half of his face.

Some SSA show pseudo resemblances with Nordids.

[Africanwidow]

Spot on, north Dutch seem to be basically N Germans but sans the central Euro influence that is found in 90% of German areas, little alpine influence, not much brunet or med strains.

North Dutch are most similar to the North-West Germans living on the Frisian coast. Cities like Papenburg, Bremerhaven, Emden, Norden and Oldenburg look identical to them.

[Immanenz]

Spot on, north Dutch seem to be basically N Germans but sans the central Euro influence that is found in 90% of German areas, little alpine influence, not much brunet or med strains.

+ they lack Eastern (Slavic, Baltic) influences, apart from the minority who can look slightly Baltic shifted (more Scandinavian), while you get that in Germans relativly often.

[Oliver109]

+ they lack Eastern (Slavic, Baltic) influences, apart from the minority who can look slightly Baltic shifted (more Scandinavian), while you get that in Germans relativly often.

True, they do look more British but then there is the exaggerated facial features that mark them out as i already said.

[Dentist]

+ they lack Eastern (Slavic, Baltic) influences, apart from the minority who can look slightly Baltic shifted (more Scandinavian), while you get that in Germans relativly often.

Are most Germans even significantly Slavic? I don't think so.

Maybe the Dutch have a Celtic influence? I see a lot more people who look Scottish among the Dutch than among the Germans.

[Africanwidow]

Are most Germans even significantly Slavic? I don't think so.

Maybe the Dutch have a Celtic influence? I see a lot more people who look Scottish among the Dutch than among the Germans.

That's a Bell Beaker phenomenon but they are completely devoided of actual Celtic ancestry. Dutch are in between the English and Scottish in terms of northernness genetically. Germans as a whole are not very Slavic but have significantly more Continental Celtic admixture than the Dutch.

[Oliver109]

Are most Germans even significantly Slavic? I don't think so.

Maybe the Dutch have a Celtic influence? I see a lot more people who look Scottish among the Dutch than among the Germans.

Dunno about celtic but the Dutch are more western shifted, so the features are coarser, more CM, it is probably endemic to the region.

[Immanenz]

Are most Germans even significantly Slavic? I don't think so.

Maybe the Dutch have a Celtic influence? I see a lot more people who look Scottish among the Dutch than among the Germans.

No, i mean in groups you ll see 1-2 people who stick out looking Eastern.

Dutch are NW Europeans, so obv. they will overlapp also with the British, especially the less "clear-cut" Germanic looking ones.

[Roy]

That's a Bell Beaker phenomenon but they are completely devoided of actual Celtic ancestry. Dutch are in between the English and Scottish in terms of northernness genetically. Germans as a whole are not Slavic but have significantly more Continental Celtic admixture than the Dutch.

South Dutch (those south of Rhine) though apparently have some Celtic admixture.

[Africanwidow]

South Dutch (those south of Rhine) though apparently have some Celtic admixture).

I've seen the G25 results of a few Limburgers (extreme South Dutch) and they scored 20-50% of continental Celtic. G25 results from Frisians and Groningers (extreme North Dutch) lacked it completely.

[Oliver109]

South Dutch (those south of Rhine) though apparently have some Celtic admixture.

I doubt it, they are just Dutch with more French like ambience.