Classify Abelardo Fernandez

[Sasaolo68]

Retired Spanish soccer player from Asturias


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5oNf-7moxOPq_HskfGqprhM0b3yqClsMJxw&usqp=CAU

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[Russki]

Small Mediterranean

[Cristiano viejo]

Small Mediterranean

He is 1 80, not so small :)

Actualized pictures, not from 30 years ago
https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/1387.jpg

https://cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/prisaradio/ISIIAAWRRJKKLA4HEVRP4DETRU.jpg

[Russki]

He is 1 80, not so small :)


I adopted Token's terminology

[Cristiano viejo]

I adopted Token's terminology

I am still waiting he tells me who are the big Mediterraneans.

[Tongio]

Mediterranean+ dinarid( of baskid variety, the traits: flat occipital bone, long nose ,downturned nose tip, narrowing of jaw,low cranial vault )

[Immanenz]

I adopted Token's terminology

Pep is a Classic Med, Abelado is more complicated but my guess would be Armenoid mix (or let say some kind fo Taurid) with Med again- so Litorid, but going by his build he leans towards the former
https://www.imago-images.de/bild/sp/0012376179/w.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/G9FH23/soccer-uefa-champions-league-group-h-leeds-united-v-barcelona-fernandez-G9FH23.jpg

He looks more Spanish than OP (1st pic) but on some pics like the 2nd i can see some similarities.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ReoAAOxyOlhS9THH/s-l400.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/w3IAAOSwHxVW7KWf/s-l400.jpg

[Tongio]

I am still waiting he tells me who are the big Mediterraneans.

Small Med is a missleading name althought gracile tend to be shorter in height, the main diferences are facial-cranial, Abelardo is a baskid type só his dinarid element makes it hard to tell if his med element is Atlanto or gracile, but due to his lack of robust features(jaw, browridge,cheekbones), Very dark pigmentation,its more likely gracile, the height coming from the dinarid.

[Uranous]

armenid -med

[Tongio]

Pep is a Classic Med,

Not realy, he looks mostly Atlanto Med with head shape modified by dinarid elements(higher vaulted).

[Tongio]

armenid -med

Armenids have no low vaulted skulls nor narrowing of jaw like this spaniard, these are baskid and even Keltic traits(kelto nordic).Armenid have rounder eyes with heavy eyelids and more fleashy nose and lips.

[Sasaolo68]

He looks more Spanish than OP (1st pic) but on some pics like the 2nd i can see some similarities.


Are you seeing some similarities with me?

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[Immanenz]

Not realy, he looks mostly Atlanto Med with head shape modified by alpine or dinarid elements(higher vaulted).

No, no charectics that would be Alpine (extreme head heath, brachycephaly) or Dinaric (like nasal convexity, flattenign of occiput): he is not very long headed, but this is one of the diffrences between Atlanto and Gracile Med
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/0e/82/640e8296c0ddf33e4a5f063f38fd5278.jpg

He represents exactly that Small Med type that entered Iberia in the end of Mesolithic/ early Neolithic period.

[Tongio]

No, no charectics that would be Alpine (extreme head heath, brachycephaly) or Dinaric (like nasal convexity, flattenign of occiput): he is not very long headed, but this is one of the diffrences between Atlanto and Gracile Med
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/0e/82/640e8296c0ddf33e4a5f063f38fd5278.jpg

He represents exactly that Small Med type that entered Iberia in the end of Mesolithic/ early Neolithic period.

His traits are too square and robust for gracile his head is also to big and tall , the flatening of the occipital bone is likely bcause of dinarid elements slightly visible in his nose too.

[Immanenz]

His traits are too square and robust for gracile his head is also to big and tall , the flatening of the occipital bone is likely bcause of dinarid elements slightly visible in his nose too.

he is a man forgot sake, you guys do not get the classic med type- thats why you get offended calling anybody "gracile", thats rather the point. Dinaric nose isnt any nasal bone, it would be much more evident.

[Tongio]

you guys do not get the classic med type- thats why you get offended calling anybody "gracile", thats rather the point. Dinaric nose isnt any nasal bone, it would be much more evident.
Me : Med in a country full of meds , u alpine Áustrian not many meds around , sorry , am i the one who doesnt get It?
Nobody is offended here i am pointing real diferences beetwen Atlanto Med and gracile and u are ignoring them, "he is a man "lol, are u realy serious, many Iberians have less wide and square jaws less square eye area and face, less proeminent browridge,these are the gracile meds.

[Uranous]

Armenids have no low vaulted skulls nor narrowing of jaw like this spaniard, these are baskid and even Keltic traits(kelto nordic).Armenid have rounder eyes with heavy eyelids and more fleashy nose and lips.


It has important Armenoid contributions as a large part of southern Europe had to the contributions of Neolithic farmers


https://es.metapedia.org/wiki/Arm%C3%A9nido

[Immanenz]

Me : Med in a country full of meds , u alpine Áustrian not many meds around , sorry , am i the one who doesnt get It?
Nobody is offended here i am pointing real diferences beetwen Atlanto Med and gracile and u are ignoring them.

Assuming Alpine without seeing someone is funny- but we are only talking about anthropology here, and i m reserarchign for neoltihic skulls that entered Europe, and anthropologists from Spain also giving data on population of Spain which can be read on SNPA. Nobody stops you from doing the same.

So yeah, after you classying him as Atlanto Med with Alpine and Dinaric influences, i know better than you for sure.

[Tongio]

It has important Armenoid contributions as a large part of southern Europe had to the contributions of Neolithic farmers


https://es.metapedia.org/wiki/Arm%C3%A9nido

I just pointed the antropométric diferences beetwen baskids and armenoids in my last reply to u, i wont elaborate again, If u realy have interest in understanding read it again.

[Uranous]

Armenids have no low vaulted skulls nor narrowing of jaw like this spaniard, these are baskid and even Keltic traits(kelto nordic).Armenid have rounder eyes with heavy eyelids and more fleashy nose and lips.


It has important Armenoid contributions as a large part of southern Europe had to the contributions of Neolithic farmers


https://es.metapedia.org/wiki/Arm%C3%A9nido

[Tongio]

Assuming Alpine without seeing someone is funny- but we are only talking about anthropology here, and i m reserarchign for neoltihic skulls that entered Europe, and anthropologists from Spain also giving data on population of Spain which can be read on SNPA. Nobody stops you from doing the same.

So yeah, after you classying him as Atlanto Med with Alpine and Dinaric influences, i know better than you for sure.

I saw your pic before on the members picture thread, good for u i do my share of reading and learning too but i don't see how his similarity with neolithic skulls make Pep qualify as Gracile Med.

[Immanenz]

I saw your pic before on members pictue thread, good for u i do my share of reading and learning too but i don't see how his similarity with neolithic skulls make him Gracile Med.

i never posted one, liar.

It absolutly does, also his smaller cranial dimension of around 183- 188 mm head length and breath not higher than 137 mm, i m guessing that becasue i have a pair of eyes and expirience- for sure.

[Tongio]

i never posted one, liar.

I'm pretty sure it was u ,i have good memory, anyway that is not relevant.


Also his smaller cranial dimension of around 183- 188 mm head length and breath not higher than 137 mm, i m guessing that becasue i have a pair of eyes and expierience- for sure.
I see you measure his skull from ur computer screen ,what a madlad u are, truly outstanding

[Immanenz]

I'm pretty sure it was u ,i have good memory, anyway that is not relevant.

I see you measure his skull from ur computer screen ,what a madlad u are, truly outstanding

rather a good liar and it shows your character.

You dont need it, you can guess it, realizing what a Classic Med is, isnt that difficult especially comparing him to broader skulled people which isnt hard to find- again. Obviously there are some cases which are much more difficult, i admit that.

[Tongio]

rather a good liar and it shows your character.

You dont need it, you can guess it, realizing what a Classic Med is, isnt that difficult especially comparing him to broader skulled people which isnt hard to find- again. Obviously there are some cases which are much more difficult, i admit that.

My character is irrelevant to the topic, my factual points stand.

[Cristiano viejo]

I see you measure his skull from ur computer screen ,what a madlad u are, truly outstanding

Imannenz is a true anthrotard, yeah :laugh2:

[Teutone]

Imannenz is a true anthrotard, yeah :laugh2:

Would you dominate him in a octagon?

[Cristiano viejo]

Would you dominate him in a octagon?

I dont touch Balkanic people not even with a stick.

[Sasaolo68]

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[Sasaolo68]

I don't understand why according to some people i can't pass anywhere in europe meanwhile people like abelardo, nicholas turturro or jason mantzoukas are full-euro genetically.:coffee:

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[Cristiano viejo]

I don't understand why according to some people i can't pass anywhere in europe meanwhile people like abelardo, nicholas turturro or jason mantzoukas are full-euro genetically.:coffee:


You on drugs? Abelardo looks perfectly European (wow, what he is), you look what you are, a New Worlder with God knows which origins.

[RMuller]

Retired Spanish soccer player from Asturias


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5oNf-7moxOPq_HskfGqprhM0b3yqClsMJxw&usqp=CAU

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WOULD BE SEEN AS CHECHEN,ARAB IN CALIFORNIA . VERY DARK FOR A PERSON BORN IN EUROPE

[Sasaolo68]

You on drugs? Abelardo looks perfectly European (wow, what he is), you look what you are, a New Worlder with God knows which origins.I am not denying that he looks european, i am just showing the bias of some people, for example, if i larped as a greek since the first day of the forum the story would be different. I am pretty much new worlder indeed, but there is a reason for me being mistaken as greek or italian in some countries

If Abelardo was Colombian or Brazilian the classification could be different...


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[Sasaolo68]

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[Russki]

I am not denying that he looks european, i am just showing the bias of some people, for example, if i larped as a greek since the first day of the forum the story would be different. I am pretty much new worlder indeed, but there is a reason for me being mistaken as greek or italian in some countries

If Abelardo was Colombian or Brazilian the classification could be different...


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As I've said, you can larp as Sicilian or Calabrian, but you are not the average Italian look

[Roy]

Gracile Med

[Tommy199]

dinaric med

[Sasaolo68]

As I've said, you can larp as Sicilian or Calabrian, but you are not the average Italian lookNot the average italian look, but more likely passable in southern italy or even central italy to some extent(search about central italian mauro tassotti...)

[Cristiano viejo]

Not the average italian look, but more likely passable in southern italy or even central italy to some extent(search about central italian mauro tassotti...)

Following your logic you would pass even in Scandinavia

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?100334-Classify-Norwegian-Andreas-Torbgersen
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?100322-Classify-Swedish-Musse-Hasselvall

[Urbanuss]

Swarthoid

[Sasaolo68]

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[Sasaolo68]

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[Uranous]

Strong armenised maybe probably a descendant of Morisco deported to the north of Spain during the reconquest.

[Xacal]

Med + some Dinarid

[Sasaolo68]

Strong armenised maybe probably a descendant of Morisco deported to the north of Spain during the reconquest.

Morisco my ass, he is just one of these spaniards that are swarthier, that is it, that gatekeeping is completely stupid, and not every pale spaniard is some visigoth living in the country, just like not every swarthy spaniard is some fully arab living on the country. He is even Northern Spanish, therefore he would have been even less likely to have northern african ancestry.

[axel.aleman]

Tanned Atlanto Med + CM

[Cristiano viejo]

Morisco my ass, he is just one of these spaniards that are swarthier, that is it, that gatekeeping is completely stupid, and not every pale spaniard is some visigoth living in the country, just like not every swarthy spaniard is some fully arab living on the country. He is even Northern Spanish, therefore he would have been even less likely to have northern african ancestry.

Agreed that he is just a dark ugly Spaniard, and that Moriscos were not resettled in Asturias, his region.
But autosomally Galicians, who as you know are Northern Spaniards, are the ones that more North African score. Obviously the figures are so low that phenotypes are not affected.

[Sasaolo68]

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[Hoosierboy]

Looks just like a Mexican