How where in your opinion the people of ancient middle eastern ?

[EvilDave]

For example Persians,Assyrian,Sumerians,Phoenicios,Babylonian etc.
What were (always in your opinion) their somatic traits and their principal subrace (for each ancient population) ?
Post also some photos (of modern people) that represent them.

[Mordid]

For example Persians,Assyrian,Sumerians,Phoenicios,Babylonian etc.
What were (always in your opinion) their somatic traits and their principal subrace (for each ancient population) ?
Post also some photos (of modern people) that represent them.
http://veemoze.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/grammar.jpg?w=306&h=276
They basically looked like white people before Arab, Mongol, Nigger came and F***** their wife.

[Matritensis]

They were blonde,of course.

[d3cimat3d]

They looked like Georgians.

[askra]

For example Persians,Assyrian,Sumerians,Phoenicios,Babylonian etc.
What were (always in your opinion) their somatic traits and their principal subrace (for each ancient population) ?
Post also some photos (of modern people) that represent them.


sumerians:

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/sumerian4.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_m8SHL7mBiRA/TFCPP6XSeDI/AAAAAAAAAIk/qiHYClmDnMU/s1600/IMG_3782.jpg
http://cumorah.com/images/sumerian01.jpg



phoenicians:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Serapis_Louvre_AO1027.jpg/450px-Serapis_Louvre_AO1027.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Antarados_sarkophagus_face.JPG/450px-Antarados_sarkophagus_face.JPG
http://www.psd202.org/PHS/indexsocialstudies/coyne/web_project/Phoenicians/Assets/Phoenician%20Statue.jpg
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1566/X1303/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1566-064649.jpg


assyrians-babylonians:
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/a558/a312/gallery/Middle_East/Iraq/IMG_0125babylon.jpg
http://teachers.sduhsd.k12.ca.us/ltrupe/ART%20History%20Web/final/chap2NearEast/Votive%20Statue%20of%20Gudea.jpg


persians:
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/030717/cal-oi.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40774000/jpg/_40774312_stonerelief1.jpg

[EvilDave]

And in your opinion what were their principal subraces ?

[Artek]

And in your opinion what were their principal subraces ?
Nordids mostly, Borreby and Dalofaelids in minority.

[Mordid]

Nordids mostly, Borreby and Dalofaelids in minority.
You can't be serious?!?!?

[heyaitsme]

Are Greeks and Turks Middle Eastern or European?

[EvilDave]

Are Greeks and Turks Middle Eastern or European?

Someone says that turks are european and others say that they are middle eastern , Greeks are certainly European!

[gold_fenix]

this woman
http://www.psd202.org/PHS/indexsocialstudies/coyne/web_project/Phoenicians/Assets/Phoenician%20Statue.jpg
is the "Dama de Elche" an ibera.

Anyway I they looked as these persons
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6skuRbDiIDI/TKhyBiRPpXI/AAAAAAAAADk/YTyt81gcTqA/s1600/SteveMcCurryAfghanGirl.jpg

http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens17713765module148706211photo_1299742543k ohl_forums_islamicawaken

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQes51WnslLeSk56eBrhangp4KK-kcsFkhSeQbauIlPgRj3xF_ilzu6F9BD

http://photos.merinews.com/upload/imageGallery/bigImage/1218113805118.jpg

In these countries some tribes apart of the rest of people look totally caucasian

[askra]

this woman
http://www.psd202.org/PHS/indexsocialstudies/coyne/web_project/Phoenicians/Assets/Phoenician%20Statue.jpg
is the "Dama de Elche" an ibera.


yes, sorry, infact now i remember that i have seen that statue many times posted in threads about ancient iberians.
however according to some historians the "Dama de Elche" should represent the Tanit, a Phoenician goddes.

[Sikeliot]

They'd have been East Med, Armenoid, or Iranid mostly.

[Agrippa]

Depends on the region, the Near East is huge and densely populated. Some regions changed, other's didn't as much.

I think the most important thing is the Armenoidisation. True brachycephals were present primarily as a small reduced-Alpinoid minority, largely similar to the current situation. But true Armenoids came rather late in existence, like Dinaroids in Europe too.

So it depends on the exact time, region and people, but in general, the racial elements were the same as today, after all European types (Mediterranid, Alpinoid, Nordoid, Cromagnoid) still exist there, but the proportions were different. In meantime, whole regions became partly or fully Armenoidicised and the next big different lies in the more recent influx of Mongolids (Turko-Mongol influences) and Negroids (slave trade, especially in the Arab regions).

The most important types of the region are for the North Iranid, Armenoid, (Asian) Alpinoid, Eastmediterranid and the South Arabid, Armenoid, (Asian) Alpinoid, Eastmediterranid.

There were more European expansions, especially if considering some triebes of the Sea People and Indo-Europeans, but that was more temporary and regionally, even though it had an impact, might have increased the Nordoid tendencies especially in the later Iranian people (Persians, Kurds, etc.).

[EvilDave]

Other answers ?

[Transhumanist]

For example Assyrian...Babylonian etc.
What were (always in your opinion) their somatic traits and their principal subrace (for each ancient population) ?
Post also some photos (of modern people) that represent them.

The Babylonian self-appellation is extinct, but there are people (one small group in particular) who quite possibly are a decent representation of the Neo-Babylonians of the 1st millennium BCE. The Mandaeans of S Iraq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNwq8hXbMm0). I have posted this several times, on other forums, but it is again necessary, to support my claims.

Iranica.com article on Mandaic (written by the Aramaic scholar, Christa Müller-Kessler):

Mandaic is the term for the Aramaic dialect of the last remaining non-Christian Gnostics from Late Antiquity, the Mandaeans of Iraq and Iran (Ḵuzestān). It belongs to the Southeastern Aramaic dialect group with Babylonian Talmudic Aramaic (Babylonian Jewish Aramaic) and Koiné Babylonian Aramaic. Mandaic can be considered with its pre-classical text corpus (magic literature) as one of the purest Late Aramaic dialects of the Southeastern branch (Nöldeke, 1875, p. VI) comparable to Christian Palestinian Aramaic of the Western branch.

Mandaic inherited abundantly phonetic, grammatical, and lexicographic features from Akkadian (Late Babylonian) that point to the fact that the Mandaeans’ origin cannot have been anywhere else than in Mesopotamia (Kaufman, 1974, pp. 163-64; Müller-Kessler, 2004).

In the area of loanwords, Mandaic inherited from Akkadian an abundance of termini technici concerning religion, but also many words in other areas. Despite the limitation in its attested lexicon, due to the loss of texts, Mandaic shows more Akkadian borrowings than any other Aramaic dialect. The Mandaean gnostic sect recruited from a Babylonian population, and a stock of Akkadian words had belonged to the idiom of that geographical area for some centuries.

See DOD460 and DOD786 for the S Iraqi Mandaean Dodecad participant v3 K=12 values. See DOD134 for my values. I am (Neo)Assyrian.

And, this pertains to a topic Agrippa mentioned above ("Armenoidisation"). The Assyrian heartland was located in the upper extremes of what is today northern Iraq. Referred to today, by some individuals, as Kurdistan. Specifically, southern (Iraqi) Kurdistan. The southern periphery of the Neo-Assyrian heartland was Assur (http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=35.456667,43.2625&z=15&t=M&marker0=35.456667,43.2625,Assur). The brachycephalic element in Assyrians is extreme. According to Henry Field's "Contributions to the Anthropology of Iran," Assyrians have an average CI of 88.07 (see attached image of "Nestorian" Assyrians). Compare to the southern Mesopotamian Iraqi Mandaean average CI, according to Henry Field's sample, from his "The Anthropology of Iraq," 77.94.

Autosomally, Assyrians and Mandaeans are Mesopotamian. The former represents the extreme northern stock. The latter, central and southern Mesopotamia. In addition to Dodecad values, Dr. McDonald's analyses (including "spots" on the map) suggest nothing less. Dr. McDonald's spots are reliable, interestingly, despite the erroneous placement of the Armenian genetic center, near the modern capital of Yerevan. As opposed to the logical, and historically attested Armenian center, Lake Van, and its environs.

A clip of diaspora Iraqi Mandaeans today. Chants are in Mandaic-Aramaic. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw9ShOvB1qc)

Something pointed out by a member of another forum. The Armenian-American actor Sid Haig bears a definite resemblance to some of the ancient depictions of Neo-Assyrian kings. See second attachment.