Classify Ainu with Mediterranid facial features

[Oliver109]

The one on the left, he resembles the Jews somewhat with his hair and beard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people#/media/File:The_Ainu.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/The_Ainu.jpg

[placebo]

yes he look more caucasoid-like than mongoloid but there are more caucasoid-like looking ainus than him

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kXmBwdf24KU/R4_fBeZcOwI/AAAAAAAAAAM/NWnWcOm-Ptw/s320/ainu.jpg

it's unbelievable that this guy is fully japanese lol

[Oliver109]

yes he look more caucasoid-like than mongoloid but there are more caucasoid-like looking ainus than him

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kXmBwdf24KU/R4_fBeZcOwI/AAAAAAAAAAM/NWnWcOm-Ptw/s320/ainu.jpg

it's unbelievable that this guy is fully japanese lol

He looks Cro Magnon but the man in the first photo does have a very Caucasoid nose, i wonder how it got there...

[Colan]

Could this individual pass as a totally native European?
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5b15a334d4caa37c0d21dce1170b3083-pjlq

[Uranous]

http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2022/20/7/1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2022-20-7-1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.jpg)

Japan experienced two migratory waves of Jomons (Caucasian-Mongoloid) and yaoi who came from Korea later

[Oliver109]

Could this individual pass as a totally native European?
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5b15a334d4caa37c0d21dce1170b3083-pjlq

Yes, another good example, the existence of a Mediterranean strain in Japan is without a doubt.

[Oliver109]

http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2022/20/7/1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2022-20-7-1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.jpg)

Japan experienced two migratory waves of Jomons (Caucasian-Mongoloid) and yaoi who came from Korea later

Would you say the Caucasoids originated from the middle east originally?

[Donhueas]

http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2022/20/7/1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2022-20-7-1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.jpg)

Japan experienced two migratory waves of Jomons (Caucasian-Mongoloid) and yaoi who came from Korea later

Yaoi Waves ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[mitalit]

Could this individual pass as a totally native European?
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5b15a334d4caa37c0d21dce1170b3083-pjlq

I would never think that he is Japanese

[Oliver109]

I would never think that he is Japanese

This Ainu looks kind of Spanish, sorry pic only links from link
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/udr088/indigenous_ainu_man_of_northern_japan/

[Donhueas]

Included within Jōmon, supposedly, there were movements from Eurasia, perhaps there were pure Caucasians who carried the haplogroup-Y C and the horse (Emishi). However, what differentiates the Ainu from other Northern Japanese is a quarter of Central Asian genetics.

[Oliver109]

Included within Jōmon, supposedly, there were movements from Eurasia, perhaps there were pure Caucasians who carried the haplogroup-Y C and the horse (Emishi). However, what differentiates the Ainu from other Northern Japanese is a quarter of Central Asian genetics.

What is interesting is how unchanged their appearance is from Europeans despite being separated from them by as much as 40,000 years, it goes to show that contrary to what some people say the Caucasoid race is possibly one of the oldest.

[kingmob]

yes he look more caucasoid-like than mongoloid but there are more caucasoid-like looking ainus than him

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kXmBwdf24KU/R4_fBeZcOwI/AAAAAAAAAAM/NWnWcOm-Ptw/s320/ainu.jpg

it's unbelievable that this guy is fully japanese lol


This guy is my doppelganger, a brachy version, but still.

[mitalit]

This Ainu looks kind of Spanish, sorry pic only links from link
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/udr088/indigenous_ainu_man_of_northern_japan/

True, the guy in the photo I quoted could also pass quite well in Spain

[Donhueas]

What is interesting is how unchanged their appearance is from Europeans despite being separated from them by as much as 40,000 years, it goes to show that contrary to what some people say the Caucasoid race is possibly one of the oldest.

I believe that they were complemented by australoid lineages extremely similar to the whites (one could say, in the process of caucasification), although I'm not sure. Japan's genetic history is too interesting

[Tongio]

They do look pseudo european but i doubt is due to remote and minor "caucasoid" ancestry , these guys are overwelmingly australoid and east eurasian as far as genetics goes.

[Oliver109]

They do look pseudo european but i doubt is due to remote and minor "caucasoid" ancestry , these guys are overwelmingly australoid and east eurasian as far as genetics goes.

Australoids probably stemmed from a proto Cacucasoid root though, what is interesting is that the Ainu faces are more familiar to the Europeans regardless.

[Oliver109]

True, the guy in the photo I quoted could also pass quite well in Spain

I am not sure if that guy you quoted is fully Ainu, he looks ridiculously Med though the one in this picture clearly is and has a more alpine aspect to his appearance(which does tend to happen with quite a few Eurasians to be fair)

[Donhueas]

Australoids probably stemmed from a proto Cacucasoid root though, what is interesting is that the Ainu faces are more familiar to the Europeans regardless.

Yes, that's true. Haplogroup-Y C is common in early Caucasians and also in Australian Aborigines

[placebo]

This guy is my doppelganger, a brachy version, but still.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2f3SOgOekslu6lvQU3jlhZrFDoc-4quOjMw&usqp=CAU
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRk_8LZVjAcRYazb5EO47ckSsqFQkk3 mMptA&usqp=CAU

also very similar to this turkish guy imo

[Flashball]

Non sens.

It's just a Ainu face, you know... "ANE" admixture, maybe, whatever. Nothing to do with a pseudo "mediterranean pan uber racial type".

They looke like Ainu, yeah.

I don't see any "jewish facial features" (you don't have one type of "jewish face").

[Oliver109]

Non sens.

It's just a Ainu face, you know... "ANE" admixture, maybe, whatever. Nothing to do with a pseudo "mediterranean pan uber racial type".

They looke like Ainu, yeah.

I don't see any "jewish facial features" (you don't have one type of "jewish face").

By Jewish i mean the face form, the hair form and just that really, Carleton Coon said a lot of Jews gave an Ainu vibe, even Alpine types from France.

[kingmob]

also very similar to this turkish guy imo


The Turkish guy's nose too wide compared to the Ainu dude, imo.

[Voskos]

Don't Ainus have Onge admixture, Onge being the ancestral South Asian pre-Indoeuropean component? Might be the reason this person resembles West Asians.

[Donhueas]

ANEs had different physical features, supposedly had blondes and big noseds. In one way or another, all Europeans are largely descended from ANEs.

[Oliver109]

Don't Ainus have Onge admixture, Onge being the ancestral South Asian pre-Indoeuropean component? Might be the reason this person resembles West Asians.

I think Onge are linked to the ancestors of E Asians, hard to tell though as they would have separated very very early.

[Voskos]

I think Onge are linked to the ancestors of E Asians, hard to tell though as they would have separated very very early.

After all I was wrong, there seems to be no connection between Ainu/Onge other than uniparental lineages.

https://phylogeographer.com/d-z3660-the-ainu-andaman-connection/

[Xacal]

Could this individual pass as a totally native European?
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5b15a334d4caa37c0d21dce1170b3083-pjlq

Lol,He looks Iberian

[Oliver109]

Lol,He looks Iberian

I think he might be Ainu though, the man i posted originally actually has less typical Ainu features like the big eyebrows and facial robustness.

[Colan]

Lol,He looks Iberian

Yes, he looks like the Japanese brother of José María Aznar

https://scontent.fbio1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/269922254_465525851610147_6183438791997442066_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=09cbfe&_nc_ohc=w-2PT2M4tSUAX91apCz&_nc_oc=AQmZthycAW4eIvHam2-Y3qIWY9Z7U8_lK2a9rVhCPC4qAEfQjwjsnW60pKRKZkUZhnE&_nc_ht=scontent.fbio1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9QHQd3XnkqLMvETLGM9_Dlaf_mnjNjMbIEt1wravY4 VQ&oe=628F3297

[Roy]

I can see where you're coming from.

[TheWolf97]

Looks south asian very caucasoid

[Joachim]

The one on the left, he resembles the Jews somewhat with his hair and beard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people#/media/File:The_Ainu.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/The_Ainu.jpg

Ancient north Eurasian Phenotype,just look at the lateral protruding Cheekbones

[Vanily]

But Ainus are not Caucasoids so where does this look come from? An archaic ambiguous proto-Mongoloid?

[Jingle Bell]

But Ainus are not Caucasoids so where does this look come from? An archaic ambiguous proto-Mongoloid?

Prob ANE

[Vanily]

Prob ANE

Is there any evidence of higher ANE ancestry among the Jomon compared to the later Yayoi?

[Sandis]

Ainu are diverse people, they have Jomon, Okhotsk, ANE (Europeid like) and more recent Yayoi components from modern Japanese.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5765509/

Jomon shifted Ainu:

https://borgenproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2746187012_3522752372_b-e1631385441344-705x484.jpg

Okhotsk shifted Ainu:

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dce30677b7a02bff15e53bd4555d0620-lq

For example Koryaks from Kamchatka (descendants of ancient Okhotsk people):

https://www.imago-images.com/bild/st/0073984117/s.jpg

[Immanenz]

But Ainus are not Caucasoids so where does this look come from? An archaic ambiguous proto-Mongoloid?

looking at examples posted in this thread they ll have some old Caucasian admix (or "proto Caucasian" if you want) which besides the variability of Jomons also helped form Yakonid phenotye

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi6vKSUXgB8IrVM.jpg:large
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MuXpH8q7Jk

[Oliver109]

looking at examples posted in this thread they ll have some old Caucasian admix (or "proto Caucasian" if you want) which besides the variability of Jomons also helped form Yakonid phenotye

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi6vKSUXgB8IrVM.jpg:large
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MuXpH8q7Jk
Do you think the Ainu evolved in the middle east? I see a med influence in the Japanese a lot.

[Vanily]

looking at examples posted in this thread they ll have some old Caucasian admix (or "proto Caucasian" if you want) which besides the variability of Jomons also helped form Yakonid phenotye

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi6vKSUXgB8IrVM.jpg:large
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MuXpH8q7Jk

But do you have any evidence of that old Caucasian admix or you're going by the similarities you see in a couple of pictures?
I think it has to do more with an archaic less defined Mongoloid ancestry rather than proto-Caucasoid.

[Mark76]

He looks Cro Magnon but the man in the first photo does have a very Caucasoid nose, i wonder how it got there...

According to conventional wisdom it was probably created by a Nasal Artisan somewhere in Western Eurasia and then was traded eastward from owner to owner until it eventually reached Japan

[Laredo]

http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2022/20/7/1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2022-20-7-1653232525-e3m3xmqvoaiy6jn.jpg)

Japan experienced two migratory waves of Jomons (Caucasian-Mongoloid) and yaoi who came from Korea later

Unfortunately Yaois replaced the Jamons who were like 25% West euroasians on average mongoloids have replaced pretty much everything that has Caucasoid Influences same thing happened In China with some ancient Caucasoid tribes..

[Italicus]

Unfortunately Yaois replaced the Jamons who were like 25% West euroasians on average mongoloids have replaced pretty much everything that has Caucasoid Influences same thing happened In China with some ancient Caucasoid tribes..

The Jomons were part white? I didn't know that, I just thought they had similar features to whites. Do you have any papers, articles or studies I can look at?

[Jingle Bell]

The Jomons were part white? I didn't know that, I just thought they had similar features to whites. Do you have any papers, articles or studies I can look at?

They were part ANE, a mostly caucasoid (but east eurasian admixed) population

[Italicus]

They were part ANE, a mostly caucasoid (but east eurasian admixed) population

So just like native americans, interesting.

[Petalpusher]

Japanese have some fine scale structure, we would assume it should be less than Europe for example but it's not the case, altough feature wise i think you can find a great variety of types in Japan.


https://www.k.u-tokyo.ac.jp/information/category/assets_c/2021/02/2054_fig1-thumb-300xauto-457.jpg

https://www.k.u-tokyo.ac.jp/information/category/assets_c/2021/02/2054_fig4-thumb-autox450-466.jpg
https://www.k.u-tokyo.ac.jp/information/category/assets_c/2021/02/2054_fig3-thumb-300xauto-464.jpg
https://www.k.u-tokyo.ac.jp/information/category/assets_c/2021/02/2054_fig5-thumb-800xauto-468.jpg

[Laredo]

The Jomons were part white? I didn't know that, I just thought they had similar features to whites. Do you have any papers, articles or studies I can look at?


They were part ANE, a mostly caucasoid (but east eurasian admixed) population

Yeah but fucking Koreans replaced them, same happened with China Chinese killed caucasoid admixed people In their country.

[Jingle Bell]

Yeah but fucking Koreans replaced them, same happened with China Chinese killed caucasoid admixed people In their country.

But if i not wrong they dont replaced 100%, i think they still got some caucasian admix nowdays

[Oliver109]

They were part ANE, a mostly caucasoid (but east eurasian admixed) population

How is it that the Ainu are hairy and the Native Americans who also have ANE are not?

[Beowulf]

How is it that the Ainu are hairy and the Native Americans who also have ANE are not?

maybe the Native Americans were even more mongoloid admixed than Ainu people.

[Oliver109]

maybe the Native Americans were even more mongoloid admixed than Ainu people.

Perhaps but going by ANE ancestry the Native Americans often seem to have a lot, it shows up in facial features certainly but other traits like hair texture, body hair amount are more mongoloid.

[Beowulf]

Perhaps but going by ANE ancestry the Native Americans often seem to have a lot, it shows up in facial features certainly but other traits like hair texture, body hair amount are more mongoloid.

then idk, it's weird, still there were some Amerindians who use to have some beard, thin beard, but not very common

[Beowulf]

Perhaps but going by ANE ancestry the Native Americans often seem to have a lot, it shows up in facial features certainly but other traits like hair texture, body hair amount are more mongoloid.

something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/N0Lt9f7Y/descarga-3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Oliver109]

then idk, it's weird, still there were some Amerindians who use to have some beard, thin beard, but not very common

It is one of those factors and it just shows that genetics really doesn't explain that much, just like how you can have a very tanned brunet alpine French person who is genetically close to a pale blonde freckled Belgian.

[Oliver109]

something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/N0Lt9f7Y/descarga-3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Nice example, hair is sparse though.

[Beowulf]

It is one of those factors and it just shows that genetics really doesn't explain that much, just like how you can have a very tanned brunet alpine French person who is genetically close to a pale blonde freckled Belgian.

well usually is said that Phenotype =/= Genotype

[Immanenz]

It is one of those factors and it just shows that genetics really doesn't explain that much, just like how you can have a very tanned brunet alpine French person who is genetically close to a pale blonde freckled Belgian.

But geentics cant explain individual phenotypes- you ll find blonde Siclians as well. At the end of the day people from neighbouring French regions look similar to Belgians, and this is pretty much in accordance to genetics. Why Jomon people do not look similar to Amerindians is another question (or why they have those Caucasian- Australoid like individuals), but despite some similar components they are distant to each other.

[Oliver109]

But geentics cant explain individual phenotypes- you ll find blonde Siclians as well. At the end of the day people from neighbouring French regions look similar to Belgians, and this is pretty much in accordance to genetics. Why Jomon people do not look similar to Amerindians is another question (or why they have those Caucasian- Australoid like individuals), but despite some similar components they are distant to each other.

Blonde sicilians are nearly always quite med in facial features and almost never light blonde, i doubt you will find very pale Tronders or Borrebies in Sicily. Northern France has a pretty diverse range of looks like southern England, very proper meds and alpines can be seen alongside very pale Nordid types, again people misunderestimate southern influence in the English Channel region.