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Flashball

05-24-2022, 09:57 AM

Friend results

Haplogroup (it's a woman): U4a

23andme
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653385747-photo-2022-05-24-00-26-48.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653385574-photo-2022-05-24-00-51-00.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653385577-photo-2022-05-24-00-51-35.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653386594-22244.png

Gedmatch kit:
HE3386157

Russki

05-24-2022, 10:01 AM

Thanks for posting

Share her K36 coordinates please

Leto

05-24-2022, 10:02 AM

Thanks for sharing, Dudude.
Where in Russia is she from and what's her actual eye color by the way?

Leto

05-24-2022, 10:08 AM

Rather low West Med for a non-Northern Russian (supposedly) but it may as well have gone into North Atlantic and East Med. It's 23andme data after all.

North_Atlantic 27 Pct
Baltic 50.33 Pct
West_Med 4.48 Pct
West_Asian 4 Pct
East_Med 6.86 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 2.02 Pct
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian 3.58 Pct
Amerindian 0.52 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.1 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.3 Pct

On the other hand, D K12b is fairly solid and shows no outlying components

Gedrosia 3.17 Pct
Siberian 3.35 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 20.21 Pct
North_European 60.38 Pct
South_Asian 1.47 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_Asian 1.09 Pct
Caucasus 10.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Certified by Leto :cool:

Flashball

05-24-2022, 10:08 AM

Thanks for sharing, Dudude.
Where in Russia is she from and what's her actual eye color by the way?

She is born in Quebec from Russians parents

One of is ancestor were maybe from the Siberia region of Russia, but not native to this area.

Eyes color (green or hazel grennish)
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653386865-photo-2022-03-29-03-15-43.jpg

Her G25 soon.

Flashball

05-24-2022, 10:15 AM

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653387159-img-4330.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653387181-img-4329.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653387279-img-4328.jpg

Amerindian 0.55 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.48 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.68 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 26.81 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 19.08 Pct
Fennoscandian 19 Pct
French 4.11 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 4.39 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.38 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.96 Pct
North_Sea 7.99 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 1.3 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 3.26 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Flashball

05-24-2022, 10:16 AM

Leto

05-24-2022, 10:16 AM

I see. I'm not worried about G25, it's gonna be close to those Russian averages anyway.

Russki

05-24-2022, 10:19 AM

Russian_HE3386157,0.55,0,0,0,0,3.48,0,0,1.68,0,26. 81,0,19.08,19,4.11,0,0,4.39,0,0,0,5.38,2.96,7.99,0 ,0,0,0,0,1.3,0,0,3.26,0,0,0

https://sun9-18.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/eUBP1vX66KootgdKWQbnFg79kM08WvoBQ-3l6fW_z3iBOOUwPTcma2umI9LLOceCTQzLm99-F8xatWxr59ZeDvIZ.jpg?size=430x886&quality=95&type=album

Flashball

05-24-2022, 10:20 AM

I see. I'm not worried about G25, it's gonna be close to those Russian averages anyway.

It's for modeling more than PCA

I would like to know how many EHG rates she has, etc.

It would be interesting, I would post here anyway so that it serves as a comparison sample (if Ukrainians, Russians and others want to use it to compare themselves).

Leto

05-24-2022, 10:23 AM

It's for modeling more than PCA

I would like to know how many EHG rates she has, etc.

It would be interesting, I would post here anyway so that it serves as a comparison sample (if Ukrainians, Russians and others want to use it to compare themselves).
Yes and she is expected to score similar amounts of those things compared to some of the averages. +/-1-2 percent.

Russki

05-24-2022, 10:42 AM

Apricity users

Russian_HE3386157,0.55,0,0,0,0,3.48,0,0,1.68,0,26. 81,0,19.08,19,4.11,0,0,4.39,0,0,0,5.38,2.96,7.99,0 ,0,0,0,0,1.3,0,0,3.26,0,0,0

https://sun9-88.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/Hisf219yH2v8bs7ncjecMMGyOAAo9Zs8h1ql_gEKdRTrVapV0o JF5c2i6xOVF-a4vO1lX8M5TBbAjWYxtD4BaUSH.jpg?size=350x882&quality=95&type=album

Flashball

05-24-2022, 12:16 PM

Yes and she is expected to score similar amounts of those things compared to some of the averages. +/-1-2 percent.

Maybe, but i'm curious.

Flashball

05-24-2022, 12:21 PM

Her face (don't quote the picture)
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653394807-photo-2022-03-29-03-21-58.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/21/2/1653394807-photo-2022-03-29-03-10-50.jpg

J.S.

05-24-2022, 12:25 PM

Heartbreaker 2.0. :cool:

Leto

05-24-2022, 12:53 PM

Looks pretty Baltic to me, not unusual. She shoulda gone for Ancestry DNA IMO, not 23andme.

Magma

05-24-2022, 01:31 PM

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.7% Belorussian + 10.3% Mari @ 3.75
2 87.3% Belorussian + 12.7% Chuvash @ 3.76
3 69.7% Belorussian + 30.3% Erzya @ 3.8
4 96% Belorussian + 4% Selkup @ 4.09
5 96% Belorussian + 4% Ket @ 4.11
6 68.2% Southwest_Russian + 31.8% East_Finnish @ 4.2
7 95.9% Belorussian + 4.1% Hakas @ 4.24

I'm curious, what trace result did she get?

Flashball

05-30-2022, 10:00 AM

Archeo Emu

05-30-2022, 10:13 AM

Russia has over 190 ethnic groups: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_Russia

And worth mentioning is that ethnic Russians are almost as Baltic as they are Slavic in terms of Y-DNA haplogroups:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1712-N1c-in-the-Balts&p=850049&viewfull=1#post850049

In Russia, L-1025 is 12%. Z92 - 12%. And, for example, M-458 - 8%, CTS1211 -22%.

^^^
Let's compare the frequency of these four major Y lineages in Russia (two Slavic and two Baltic lineages):

N-L1025 and R-Z92 (Baltic) = 24%

R-M458 and R-CTS1211 (Slavic) = 30%

So clearly modern Russians have a lot of slavicized Balts among their ancestors:

https://www.youtube.com/user/RealSarmatians/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2iJgU9kOnc

By contrast for example Kashubians have almost no R-Z92 and almost no N-L1025:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashubians#Genetics

^^^
That's because they are just Venedi (Slavs) + Goths mixture, without Baltic admix:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?363484-Maslomecz-Goths-Y-DNA-13-out-of-18-are-I1-M253&p=7513250&viewfull=1#post7513250

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?363449-simulated-G25-coordinates&p=7513299#post7513299

^^^
The Proto-Slavic anthropological type was not Baltid, as I described on Civ Forum:

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/physical-appearance-of-early-medieval-slavic-people.524794/

Archeo Emu

05-30-2022, 10:23 AM

Of course physical anthropology is to an extent pseudo-science. Unlike genetics which gives legit results.

Archeo Emu

05-30-2022, 10:27 AM

Of course physical anthropology is to an extent pseudo-science. Unlike genetics which gives legit results.

But still can be fun.

West Slavs with Globular Amphora features (high EEF - Southern Poland):

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?26191-Investigating-Goth-migration-using-genetic-and-isotope-data&p=851497#post851497

I-L801 is the subclade of Polish Globular Amphora Culture, which was absorbed by Steppe PIE people when they migrated across Poland and then into Scandinavia:

From Willerslev's new study:

"Scandinavia, however, portrays a dramatically different picture, with a near-complete replacement of the local Neolithic farmer population inferred across all sampled individuals (Extended Data Fig. 7B, C). Following the second transition, Neolithic Anatolian-related farmer ancestry remains in Scandinavia, but the source is now different. It can be modelled as deriving almost exclusively from a genetic cluster associated with the Late Neolithic Globular Amphora Culture (GAC) (Poland_5000BP_4700BP; Extended Data Fig. 4)."

Migration arrows added (according to Willerslev's hypothesis):

https://i.imgur.com/Pr1ImfE.png

Within Poland this subclade peaks in Southern Poland, so in the same region in which GAC autosomal admixture (EEF admixture) peaks.

Globular Amphora influence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmB1PvupFZA

^^^
Phenotypes North vs. South:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?244683-Polish-Phenotypes-North-to-South

Russki

05-30-2022, 10:34 AM

G25 simulated

RussianGirl,0.13120047934799994,0.1110349709739999 9,0.0767816896876,0.0754677893480001,0.03290210100 179999,0.027513325052079998,0.009166935594000038,0 .013297491852000076,-0.0039674303760000515,-0.029725368499999932,0.00004306899671599907,-0.010178127175999988,0.018809730276000018,0.019233 409580000443,-0.010460924935999903,-0.0031052166919999687,0.0006009288679998739,-0.0019637975760000564,0.00009884319199998355,0.001 5708665190000025,-0.003005208712000128,-0.0018096675240000248,0.005735075007999982,-0.003983065691999995,0.00044110112000017576

Target: RussianGirl
Distance: 6.7955% / 0.06795520
56.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.2 TUR_Barcin_N
16.8 WHG
0.8 Nganassan
0.4 Han

According her:
"Mon arrière grand père (père de grand mère maternelle, colon en Sibérie ) était originaire de là : https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblast_de_Kirov"

"My great grandfather (father of maternal grandmother, settler in Siberia) was from there
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblast_de_Kirov"

https://sun9-14.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/_gYsdpXU2_PYlNKxmaLJ2UzX7ziOeN6NScp1O6Q_VaZAhUd_7t 6fmbtevGRoKlUfD7m9XLvqOS8d_lu8JMF5yYOW.jpg?size=12 00x650&quality=95&type=album

So clearly modern Russians have a lot of slavicized Balts among their ancestors

There were Estonian-like tribes, not Balts, and it is historically documented.

Balts are not needed for modeling, and historically it doesn't make sense either.

https://sun9-82.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/hNkdFkUHUaBdLJve7lOmwax0gB_1DE7uLs5Q5RWwna66WfrFvj wh5bjag8l4AYrdTnIUev07lHquQGDsIMoXJp_R.jpg?size=93 8x709&quality=95&type=album

By contrast for example Kashubians have almost no R-Z92 and almost no N-L1025:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashubians#Genetics

^^^
That's because they are just Venedi (Slavs) + Goths mixture, without Baltic admix

I don't know about Kashubians (not interesting), but the rest of Poles descend primarily from Slavs and not much else.

Poles and Ukrainians are the closest for each other.

Archeo Emu

05-30-2022, 10:37 AM

descend primarily from Slavs

Vistula Venedi were the Proto-Slavs most likely, we will be checking some qpAdm models here:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?26154-Slavic-Chronology/page10

Flashball

05-30-2022, 10:38 AM

Russia has over 190 ethnic groups: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_Russia

And worth mentioning is that ethnic Russians are almost as Baltic as they are Slavic in terms of Y-DNA haplogroups:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1712-N1c-in-the-Balts&p=850049&viewfull=1#post850049

^^^
Let's compare the frequency of these four major Y lineages in Russia (two Slavic and two Baltic lineages):

N-L1025 and R-Z92 (Baltic) = 24%

R-M458 and R-CTS1211 (Slavic) = 30%

So clearly modern Russians have a lot of slavicized Balts among their ancestors:

https://www.youtube.com/user/RealSarmatians/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2iJgU9kOnc

By contrast for example Kashubians have almost no R-Z92 and almost no N-L1025:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashubians#Genetics

^^^
That's because they are just Venedi (Slavs) + Goths mixture, without Baltic admix:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?363484-Maslomecz-Goths-Y-DNA-13-out-of-18-are-I1-M253&p=7513250&viewfull=1#post7513250

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?363449-simulated-G25-coordinates&p=7513299#post7513299

^^^
The Proto-Slavic anthropological type was not Baltid, as I described on Civ Forum:

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/physical-appearance-of-early-medieval-slavic-people.524794/

Thanks.

She don't look exotic in my eyes, like Putin for example.

She is 1,75 (pretty tall for a woman of 19 years old).

Flashball

05-30-2022, 10:40 AM

https://sun9-14.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/_gYsdpXU2_PYlNKxmaLJ2UzX7ziOeN6NScp1O6Q_VaZAhUd_7t 6fmbtevGRoKlUfD7m9XLvqOS8d_lu8JMF5yYOW.jpg?size=12 00x650&quality=95&type=album

There were Estonian-like tribes, not Balts, and it is historically documented.

Balts are not needed for modeling, and historically it doesn't make sense either.

https://sun9-82.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/hNkdFkUHUaBdLJve7lOmwax0gB_1DE7uLs5Q5RWwna66WfrFvj wh5bjag8l4AYrdTnIUev07lHquQGDsIMoXJp_R.jpg?size=93 8x709&quality=95&type=album

I don't know about Kashubians (not interesting), but the rest of Poles descend primarily from Slavs and not much else.

Poles and Ukrainians are the closest for each other.

Thanks.

What it is her purely "asian-like" percentage?

Archeo Emu

05-30-2022, 10:40 AM

There were Estonian-like tribes, not Balts

New Marvele samples from Lithuania are very Estonian-shifted but they are without a doubt Proto-Lithuanians (Balts).

Parastais wrote:

"Marvele (N1c L1025) can be modelled as 70% Bailuliai + 30% EST_IA."

Proto East Balts came from Russia, before that Latvia and Lithuania were inhabited by - today extinct* - North Balts.

*The language is extinct.

Leto

05-30-2022, 10:41 AM

Hey Peterski, would you get out of here, you stupid son of a gun? You are banned, suka.

Russki

05-30-2022, 10:43 AM

Thanks.

What it is her purely "asian-like" percentage?

Kinda, you can dig it by using RUS-AfontovaGora3 (Ancient North Eurasian).

This is what ANE looked like:

https://sun9-28.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/hpELBCHEEWpDOfd2CcBxOXYvEBQoK-O4vbMvJDI1HKWg9ANrWJSlktCtHgAeAP5Pc2q6aBz0DHKJlmBV AuZc4Cu2.jpg?size=602x300&quality=95&type=album

Clearly not Proto-Mongoloids.

Leto

05-30-2022, 10:43 AM

Thanks.

What it is her purely "asian-like" percentage?
Check the Dodecad K12b results that I posted. She's similar to the average Russian. We're about 5 percent East Eurasian on average but some have more.

Archeo Emu

05-30-2022, 10:45 AM

Balts around year 1000 (Lithuanian-made map); black line is the border of the Kingdom of Poland:

https://i.imgur.com/4myF7PK.jpg

^^^
Two red dots are Polish (Piast Dynasty) strongholds of Wizna and Kolno which protected the border:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolno

Mazovians have Baltic admixture as can be seen Northeast Mazovia was ethnically mixed Slav-Balt.

Russki

05-30-2022, 11:02 AM

Check the Dodecad K12b results that I posted. She's similar to the average Russian. We're about 5 percent East Eurasian on average but some have more.

Dodecad K12b has the same arbitrary components for which you criticized K36 — "Northwest African", "East African", "Caucasus", "Gedrosia", — what are these is not entirely clear and what they may hide.

Gedrosia K3 is the right tool to dig out Caucasoid-Negroid-Mongoloid percentage:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?197042-Post-your-Gedrosia-K3-results

By genuine ancestry, most Russians score 0% East Eurasian that is not of ANE origin:

https://sun9-53.userapi.com/impg/v6ybpdXCyxcrXyFJueNmbybaBuk_VWuU2e_z3A/58XB3W_ZvXE.jpg?size=1262x467&quality=95&sign=ef5297234f516547391d7122b13a399c&type=album

Dodecad K12b is stuck in the middle, — it doesn't dig out the most, and doesn't show genuine ancestry either.

Russki

05-30-2022, 11:12 AM

Of course physical anthropology is to an extent pseudo-science. Unlike genetics which gives legit results.

Anthropology and genetics are both important fields.

One should not exclude another.

How, if not from anthropology, you are supposed to know that Poles and Lithuanians have flat mongoloid heads, whereas Estonians have elongated caucasoid heads?

This is just one example — don't get fixated on it.

And of course French people are not mongoloids, their brachycephaly is Alpine-Dinaric in nature.

https://sun1-16.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/tVOb5O9wfBmSQ9vCElm0bnQ12F88YY79l2u79orjiJ46JVo4PS 5itzmUY85rcrZxv6PaJajfAyutZoaT76NEK3ib.jpg?size=70 0x584&quality=96&type=album

Leto

05-30-2022, 11:12 AM

...
Buddy, I don't talk to you anymore. Don't quote me please. And you don't represent us in the slightest with your weird Estonian supremacist views. What a laughable idea. I would personally ban you for giving the Russians a bad image again. All those crazy-ass Finno-Ugric supremacist losers supposedly from Russia that keep appearing here are a shame. Modern Russia is truly the land of trolls.

Lucas

05-30-2022, 11:17 AM

How, if not from anthropology, you are supposed to know that Poles and Lithuanians have flat mongoloid heads, whereas Estonians have elongated caucasoid heads?

Hahaha, you cited the most obsolete XIX century theory that brachycephaly = mongoloidness and dolichocephaly = cacuasoidness? You are probably not aware that most Chinese have mesocephalic heads? I mean real Chinese from the east not Uyghurs or whatever. Find their Caucasoid admix then:) I could cite you Cheboksarov works.
And guess who is most doli? Negroids and Australoids.

Russki

05-30-2022, 11:21 AM

All those crazy-ass Finno-Ugric supremacist

Finno-Ugric people are mongoloids, Russians are not.

Are you baiting me for an angry response?

I have a good self control.

https://sun1-90.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/8V9PdKnYEdaFUKC8lODRIG_Q8vQOtedDFVqUvOGAteRMPCkqZI dkuEiYk9E24jVQUH8Q_cruiRFfaVGCZ4P3p59d.jpg?size=10 50x770&quality=95&type=album

Leto

05-30-2022, 11:30 AM

We are Slavic, Baltic and Uralic/Finno-Ugric people, in varying proportions (excluding people with recent foreign ancestry who may identify as Russian). But our culture is Slavo-Byzantine, Finnic words are hard to find in the Russian language and the overall cultural influence is rather negligible. Maybe because Finno-Ugric is not even a coherent culture. To me it's a language family, first and foremost. And I don't speak any of those languages.

Leto

05-30-2022, 11:35 AM

Hahaha, you cited the most obsolete XIX century theory that brachycephaly = mongoloidness and dolichocephaly = cacuasoidness? You are probably not aware that most Chinese have mesocephalic heads? I mean real Chinese from the east not Uyghurs or whatever. Find their Caucasoid admix then:) I could cite you Cheboksarov works.
And guess who is most doli? Negroids and Australoids.
The guy thinks the Estonians are superior to the Poles for whatever reasons, even though he dislikes the Finns of Finland. I can't understand that line of reasoning. Estonia is small and culturally probably the least prominent country in Europe (Iceland is at least famous for its rich Scandinavian heritage). And they're not the biggest fans of Russia, to say the least.

Russki

05-30-2022, 11:49 AM

Hey Peterski, would you get out of here, you stupid son of a gun? You are banned, suka.

Peterski is an interesting user.

The forum is not full without him.

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I disagree with his claims that Poles have a Gothic heritage, but even a damn fool has a right to speak.

Leto

05-30-2022, 12:06 PM

Peterski is an interesting user.

The forum is not full without him.

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I disagree with his claims that Poles have a Gothic heritage, but even a damn fool has a right to speak.
Loki is more pro-Russian than you are. You have no problem with Russophobes swarming around you. I do.

If it weren't for the DNA threads, I would leave TA a long time ago. I've already blacklisted (figuratively) a number of users. Very few people here are genuine and nice.

Token

05-30-2022, 12:46 PM

Kinda, you can dig it by using RUS-AfontovaGora3 (Ancient North Eurasian).

This is what ANE looked like:

https://sun9-28.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/hpELBCHEEWpDOfd2CcBxOXYvEBQoK-O4vbMvJDI1HKWg9ANrWJSlktCtHgAeAP5Pc2q6aBz0DHKJlmBV AuZc4Cu2.jpg?size=602x300&quality=95&type=album

Clearly not Proto-Mongoloids.

There are no skulls from fully ANE individuals. Early Tarim mummies is the closest you can get, but even they were approximately 1/5 East Asian plus some other minor stuff.

Moreover, ancestralwhispers reconstructions are worth shit.

Token

05-30-2022, 12:50 PM

Of course physical anthropology is to an extent pseudo-science. Unlike genetics which gives legit results.

Anthrotard taxonomy is pseudoscience, true physical anthropology is not. Don't conflate the two.

Lucas

05-30-2022, 01:16 PM

Moreover, ancestralwhispers reconstructions are worth shit.

Why exactly?

Leto

05-30-2022, 01:22 PM

There are no skulls from fully ANE individuals. Early Tarim mummies is the closest you can get, but even they were approximately 1/5 East Asian plus some other minor stuff.

Isn't it obvious that Finno-Ugric peoples have legit Siberian admixture? And since the Finno-Ugric homeland lies deep inside modern Russia (between the Oka and Kama rivers or thereabouts), it's only natural that the Siberian admixture must have been absorbed later by Russians.

Leto

05-30-2022, 01:24 PM

Why exactly?
I like their proto-Iranian/Aryan reconstructions. Pretty bad ass to me. :cool:

Russki

05-30-2022, 01:25 PM

Isn't it obvious that Finno-Ugric peoples have legit Siberian admixture?

Yes, and I have posted models which can measure the exact amount of Siberian admixture, distinguished from ANE.

https://sun1-90.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/8V9PdKnYEdaFUKC8lODRIG_Q8vQOtedDFVqUvOGAteRMPCkqZI dkuEiYk9E24jVQUH8Q_cruiRFfaVGCZ4P3p59d.jpg?size=10 50x770&quality=95&type=album

Token

05-30-2022, 01:31 PM

Isn't it obvious that Finno-Ugric peoples have legit Siberian admixture? And since the Finno-Ugric homeland lies deep inside modern Russia (between the Oka and Kama rivers or thereabouts), it's only natural that the Siberian admixture must have been absorbed later by Russians.
Yes, although it is very diluted among most Estonians and Hungarians. The Proto-Uralics were probably full blown mongoloid tundra hunter-gatherers living far to the east of Urals, these are the ultimate linguistic ancestors of Finno-Ugrics.

Leto

05-30-2022, 01:31 PM

Yes, and I have posted models which can measure the exact amount of Siberian admixture, distinguished from ANE.

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Finns are 1.4% Mongoloid? Lol.

Stop quoting me, dickhead! Or I'll try and have you banned from this site.

Russki is a stupid Neo-Nazi who hasn't even tested himself. He thinks people south of Estonia are inferior or something. Don't take him seriously.

Russki

05-30-2022, 01:32 PM

Finns are 1.4% Mongoloid?

South-Western Finns are 1.4% Mongoloid.

Lucas

05-30-2022, 01:33 PM

I like their proto-Iranian/Aryan reconstructions. Pretty bad ass to me. :cool:

Yes, for me too look cool, so I want to know why Token dissmised them.

Russki

05-30-2022, 01:42 PM

Or I'll try and have you banned from this site.

You will rather shit your pants than ban me.

Magma

06-03-2022, 11:05 AM

^^^
Let's compare the frequency of these four major Y lineages in Russia (two Slavic and two Baltic lineages):

[B]N-L1025 and R-Z92 (Baltic) = 24%

Is R1a-Z92 really a Baltic subclade when it is more common in Slavic countries like Belarus and Russia, than Lithuania (and even Lithuania, which has the highest frequency or R1a-Z92 from all Baltic countries, also has the most Slavic admixture)

Source: http://blog.vayda.pl/en/haplogroup-r1a-statistic-02-2018-14-new/