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Flashball
06-04-2022, 05:05 AM
Mother of a friend.

According to him:
"94% Provençal from the Basses-Alpes since the 17-18th century by crossing data from departmental archives + geneanet.

The remaining 6% is her great-great-grandmother born to an unknown father in the Gard..."

Insofar as great-great-grandmother of his mother, born of an unknown father, was born at a time when European and extra-European (even more so) immigration was non-existent/insignificant, I strongly suppose she could had for father a native of the area, without much surprise.

Gedmatch kit: XP2039306

Regarding the specific area where the 94% comes from:
"All in the 04: La Javie, Blégiers, Prads, Le Vernet, Saint Jeannet, Castillon (sunken village)..."

This corresponds to the current Alpes-de-Haute-Provence region (04)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Alpes-de-Haute-Provence-Position.svg/langfr-1920px-Alpes-de-Haute-Provence-Position.svg.png
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654317649-bassesalpesgardphotomap.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654317926-bassesalpesgardk15.png
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654318305-bassesalpesgardk36.png
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654318315-bassesalpesgardeurogenes.png

23andme results
Haplogroup HV0

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654317956-bassesalpesgard.png
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654317963-bassesalpesgard2.png


G25
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654318956-aug7nlq5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUYlvnkXoAAKgtK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654318964-z0d-6ifw.jpg
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654318958-jt-8ykio.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUYmycGXEAE65Wl?format=jpg&name=large

94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard,0.128446890454,0.1464 3596817100002,0.050327536179399994,0.0184372588599 99764,0.04487612929900001,0.007267012774639993,0.0 022990115859999848,0.00412871612200006,0.014168730 086999877,0.021325050707999928,-0.004427248554908001,0.005683112051999999,-0.013426734105999996,-0.003294282277999605,0.007530541863000048,0.001109 6216029999606,-0.0018028960980001688,0.0005702859510000116,0.0019 364245190000035,-0.0010191844014000064,0.0027215043320005794,-0.0012782695240000017,-0.0006908925550000149,0.00007200613299994038,0.000 4227839989997123

Flashball
06-04-2022, 04:08 PM
What do you think?

Ajeje Brazorf
06-04-2022, 05:27 PM
What do you think?

Normal Global25 coordinates should have 6/7 values, why do the ones you posted have more?

Flashball
06-04-2022, 07:21 PM
Normal Global25 coordinates should have 6/7 values, why do the ones you posted have more?

K36 to G25, it's the more or least the same to 1/2% percentage...

J.S.
06-04-2022, 07:27 PM
She isn't that close to the French_Provence average in G25.

May be because the G25 French average is garbage, full of outliers. According to Flashball who carefully collects his French samples, Basses-Alpes-Gard is a real native Provençal.

Flashball
06-04-2022, 07:28 PM
She isn't that close to the French_Provence average in G25.

To be honest I am very suspicious of samples labeled as "provence" (and others) on the G25 database...

We don't know where these samples come from, from which study AND if it comes from certain studies > what are the criteria? Are the criteria 4 grandparents born in the same town/village (and if we accept the exceptions: ancestors born not in the village of the region but very close, like here the Gard which is not so far from the Basses Alpes)? If that's not it, then for me it's worth nothing at all (it's like wanting to study aborigines with one quart Anglo Saxon contribution).

Some find me "exaggerated", but I think it is not exaggerated to prefer to base oneself on samples having a real and documented genealogy (like the mother of this person) than on samples without real information...

So I have my own sample collection with a linked genealogy, so 100% reliable samples.

This does not mean that the samples on the G25 database are worthless as far as France is concerned, but you have to be very suspicious.

J.S.
06-04-2022, 07:29 PM
K36 to G25, it's the more or least the same to 1/2% percentage...


Ajeje te demande pourquoi les coordonnes G25 du mec ont plus de chiffres (values), que d'ordinaire.

Flashball
06-04-2022, 07:32 PM
Ajeje te demande pourquoi les coordonnes G25 du mec ont plus de chiffres (values), que d'ordinaire.

J'ai utilisé cet outil :
http://www.allelocator.com/

J.S.
06-04-2022, 07:33 PM
J'ai utilisé cet outil :
http://www.allelocator.com/


je viens de te répondre sur gmail.

J.S.
06-04-2022, 07:36 PM
To be honest I am very suspicious of samples labeled as "provence" (and others) on the G25 database...

We don't know where these samples come from, from which study AND if it comes from certain studies > what are the criteria? Are the criteria 4 grandparents born in the same town/village (and if we accept the exceptions: ancestors born not in the village of the region but very close, like here the Gard which is not so far from the Basses Alpes)? If that's not it, then for me it's worth nothing at all (it's like wanting to study aborigines with one quart Anglo Saxon contribution).

Some find me "exaggerated", but I think it is not exaggerated to prefer to base oneself on samples having a real and documented genealogy (like the mother of this person) than on samples without real information...

So I have my own sample collection with a linked genealogy, so 100% reliable samples.

This does not mean that the samples on the G25 database are worthless as far as France is concerned, but you have to be very suspicious.

You are on point. Th French G25 panel, especially for Provence, is not reliable at all.

J.S.
06-04-2022, 07:37 PM
delete

J.S.
06-06-2022, 12:41 PM
Maybe the samples are from the The genetic history of France study?


Surely not. By the way, according to the lead author herself, the samples of "The genetic history of France study" have passed through a lot of selection criteria.

Petalpusher
06-06-2022, 02:55 PM
You are on point. Th French G25 panel, especially for Provence, is not reliable at all.

If it's like the other Provencal samples they are from Nice, of course they are Italian. They might have a bit of French and obviously there are French living around there too but they should be mostly North Italians ethnically, just like Corsicans or if they were sampling Monaco, that would be like 1/3 French, 1/3 Italians and 1/3 everything else or mixes.

Cristiano viejo
06-06-2022, 03:23 PM
Closer to Spaniards than to anyone else.

Tooting Carmen
06-06-2022, 03:28 PM
I love it how 23andMe apparently lumps French and Germans together. xD

gixajo
06-06-2022, 03:46 PM
Closer to Spaniards than to anyone else.

Not actually, first Spanish references are from Catalonia, but before them they are some French, Swiss and one of the references from Belgium (???).

Distance to: 94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard
0.01084303 French_Occitanie
0.01260233 French_Auvergne
0.01759978 BelgianC
0.01862887 Swiss_German
0.01903224 French_Alsace
0.01970168 French_Nord
0.01978318 French_Paris
0.01979745 Swiss_French
0.02296691 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02364386 BelgianB
0.02491805 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02492340 Spanish_Penedes
0.02526949 French_Provence
0.02537679 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02601037 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02602561 Spanish_Girona
0.02702927 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02752774 Spanish_Lleida
0.02789791 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02801521 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02843907 BelgianA
0.02900187 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02999930 Spanish_Biscay
0.03033856 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03077014 Spanish_Aragon_North


So it makes sense, anyway better to get real G25 coordinates, those are simulated coordinates.

Cristiano viejo
06-06-2022, 03:49 PM
Not actually, first Spanish references are from Catalonia, but before them they are some French, Swiss and one of the references from Belgium (???).

Distance to: 94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard
0.01084303 French_Occitanie
0.01260233 French_Auvergne
0.01759978 BelgianC
0.01862887 Swiss_German
0.01903224 French_Alsace
0.01970168 French_Nord
0.01978318 French_Paris
0.01979745 Swiss_French
0.02296691 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02364386 BelgianB
0.02491805 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02492340 Spanish_Penedes
0.02526949 French_Provence
0.02537679 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02601037 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02602561 Spanish_Girona
0.02702927 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02752774 Spanish_Lleida
0.02789791 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02801521 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02843907 BelgianA
0.02900187 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02999930 Spanish_Biscay
0.03033856 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03077014 Spanish_Aragon_North


So it makes sense, anyway better to get real G25 coordinates, those are simulated coordinates.
Aparte de calvo, ciego

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/22/6/1654318315-bassesalpesgardeurogenes.png

gixajo
06-06-2022, 04:15 PM
Aparte de calvo, ciego

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K13 and K15 have 3 French reference and 2 of them are "Basques" so not useful at all for most Frenchs: French, SW_French and Basque French.

K13 and K15 have 10 different and variated Spanish references.

¿Entiendes porqué le sale esa lista de referencias, zampabollos?;) 10 Spanish references against 1 real French reference.(ANd in 2 of these distance lists the first reference is the French reference, not any Spanish reference).

In G25, in both, averaged and individuals, first samples and references are French, but yes, near NE Spanish populations.

I would have expected to an individual from that Provence area (Easternmost zone) a more North Italian-like+French profile rather than a French towards Catalonia profile.(I would have expected the later in SW Provence, near the Pyrenees).

But again, there are simulated coordinates.

Distance to: 94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard
0.01895726 French_Occitanie:T_46
0.01912961 French_Auvergne:C_16
0.02006562 French_Provence:provance4509
0.02024519 French_Alsace:A_26
0.02062328 French_Auvergne:C_37
0.02064420 French_Occitanie:T_97
0.02071899 BelgianC:5434289071_R03C01
0.02123582 BelgianC:5434289074_R03C01
0.02142288 French_Auvergne:C_82
0.02143800 French_Nord:N_60_2
0.02172005 French_Occitanie:T_127
0.02175721 BelgianC:5434289075_R01C01
0.02181833 French_Auvergne:C_70
0.02198350 BelgianB:5434289051_R05C01
0.02218618 BelgianC:5434289071_R02C01
0.02237167 French_Alsace:A_79
0.02245845 French_Alsace:A_65
0.02251403 French_Nord:N_40
0.02255793 French_Occitanie:T_111
0.02270416 BelgianC:5434289003_R03C01
0.02283067 French_Auvergne:C_21
0.02296356 French_Occitanie:T_53
0.02299837 French_Auvergne:C_13
0.02313291 French_Nord:N_28
0.02336892 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP071

Cristiano viejo
06-06-2022, 04:22 PM
K13 and K15has 3 French reference and 2 of them are "Basques" so not useful at all for most Frenchs: French, SW_French and Basque French.

K13 and K15 has 10 different and variated Spanish references.

¿Entiendes porqué le sale esa lista de referencias, zampabollos?;) 10 Spanish references against 1 real French reference.

So SW French means directly Basque, according you? :rolleyes:

Flashball
06-06-2022, 04:43 PM
K13 and K15 have 3 French reference and 2 of them are "Basques" so not useful at all for most Frenchs: French, SW_French and Basque French.

K13 and K15 have 10 different and variated Spanish references.

¿Entiendes porqué le sale esa lista de referencias, zampabollos?;) 10 Spanish references against 1 real French reference.(ANd in 2 of these distance lists the first reference is the French reference, not any Spanish reference).

In G25, in both, averaged and individuals, first samples and references are French, but yes, near NE Spanish populations.

I would have expected to an individual from that Provence area (Easternmost zone) a more North Italian-like+French profile rather than a French towards Catalonia profile.(I would have expected the later in SW Provence, near the Pyrenees).

But again, there are simulated coordinates.

Distance to: 94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard
0.01895726 French_Occitanie:T_46
0.01912961 French_Auvergne:C_16
0.02006562 French_Provence:provance4509
0.02024519 French_Alsace:A_26
0.02062328 French_Auvergne:C_37
0.02064420 French_Occitanie:T_97
0.02071899 BelgianC:5434289071_R03C01
0.02123582 BelgianC:5434289074_R03C01
0.02142288 French_Auvergne:C_82
0.02143800 French_Nord:N_60_2
0.02172005 French_Occitanie:T_127
0.02175721 BelgianC:5434289075_R01C01
0.02181833 French_Auvergne:C_70
0.02198350 BelgianB:5434289051_R05C01
0.02218618 BelgianC:5434289071_R02C01
0.02237167 French_Alsace:A_79
0.02245845 French_Alsace:A_65
0.02251403 French_Nord:N_40
0.02255793 French_Occitanie:T_111
0.02270416 BelgianC:5434289003_R03C01
0.02283067 French_Auvergne:C_21
0.02296356 French_Occitanie:T_53
0.02299837 French_Auvergne:C_13
0.02313291 French_Nord:N_28
0.02336892 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP071

Je vais tenter d'obtenir les vraies coordonnées, mais honnêtement la différence est minuscule entre les vrais et les coordonnées simulées...

Je pense qu'il est proche des Français du centre et de certains catalans (french-like?), et des Suisses Allemands

C'est parfois surprenant car on pourrait s'attendre à un profil "valdôtain"... bien que ces derniers sont pour une partie déjà relativement tirés vers certains Français (autochtones, j'entends), donc ça pourrait être biaisé ?

Les samples sur gedmatch en sont pas assez, et il faut voir la distance : sur le k13, il obtient une distance de 7.0 pour des samples "espagnols" (et on ne sait pas quels types de profil ont ces espagnols : ont-ils un apport yamnaya plus important ? apport whg plus important ? je m'intéresse plus à cela que les étiquettes "espagnol machin").

J.S.
06-06-2022, 04:47 PM
If it's like the other Provencal samples they are from Nice, of course they are Italian. They might have a bit of French and obviously there are French living around there too but they should be mostly North Italians ethnically, just like Corsicans or if they were sampling Monaco, that would be like 1/3 French, 1/3 Italians and 1/3 everything else or mixes.

I think most of the samples of the G25 French panel come from the Biagini's study. Don't they?

gixajo
06-06-2022, 05:34 PM
Je vais tenter d'obtenir les vraies coordonnées, mais honnêtement la différence est minuscule entre les vrais et les coordonnées simulées...

Je pense qu'il est proche des Français du centre et de certains catalans (french-like?), et des Suisses Allemands

C'est parfois surprenant car on pourrait s'attendre à un profil "valdôtain"... bien que ces derniers sont pour une partie déjà relativement tirés vers certains Français (autochtones, j'entends), donc ça pourrait être biaisé ?

Les samples sur gedmatch en sont pas assez, et il faut voir la distance : sur le k13, il obtient une distance de 7.0 pour des samples "espagnols" (et on ne sait pas quels types de profil ont ces espagnols : ont-ils un apport yamnaya plus important ? apport whg plus important ? je m'intéresse plus à cela que les étiquettes "espagnol machin").

Oui, une distance assez importante pour un espagnol, mais pas impossible considérant qu'ils sont du K13 et du K15.

En k13 si je me souviens bien, j'ai des distances supérieures à 5 avec mes parents.:picard1:

En tout cas, je parierais que la Provence présente quelques variations génétiques selon des régions assez différentes, difficile à montrer dans une seule référence.

De toute façon, ce que ces coordonnées simulées montrent, ne me semble pas être quelque chose d'extraordinaire pour un Français de cette région, y voyant mieux, ils manifestent aussi une certaine tendance « norditalienne », sans cesser d'être françaises.

En tout cas , rien de Mar_taforalt et rien de Levant, extra de Yamnaya et assez WHG.

gixajo
06-06-2022, 05:41 PM
Je vais tenter d'obtenir les vraies coordonnées, mais honnêtement la différence est minuscule entre les vrais et les coordonnées simulées...

Je pense qu'il est proche des Français du centre et de certains catalans (french-like?), et des Suisses Allemands

C'est parfois surprenant car on pourrait s'attendre à un profil "valdôtain"... bien que ces derniers sont pour une partie déjà relativement tirés vers certains Français (autochtones, j'entends), donc ça pourrait être biaisé ?

Les samples sur gedmatch en sont pas assez, et il faut voir la distance : sur le k13, il obtient une distance de 7.0 pour des samples "espagnols" (et on ne sait pas quels types de profil ont ces espagnols : ont-ils un apport yamnaya plus important ? apport whg plus important ? je m'intéresse plus à cela que les étiquettes "espagnol machin").

Oui, une distance assez importante pour un espagnol, mais pas impossible considérant qu'ils sont du K13 et du K15.

En k13 si je me souviens bien, j'ai des distances supérieures à 5 avec mes parents.:picard1:

En tout cas, je parierais que la Provence présente quelques variations génétiques selon des régions assez différentes, difficile à montrer dans une seule référence.

De toute façon, ce que ces coordonnées simulées montrent, ne me semble pas être quelque chose d'extraordinaire pour un Français de cette région, y voyant mieux, ils manifestent aussi une certaine tendance « norditalienne », sans cesser d'être françaises.

En tout cas , rien de Mar_taforalt et rien de Levant, extra de Yamnaya et assez WHG.

J.S.
06-06-2022, 06:10 PM
En tout cas, je parierais que la Provence présente quelques variations génétiques selon des régions assez différentes, difficile à montrer dans une seule référence.



En effet, compte tenu de l'étendue de la région, c'est probable...surtout qu'il doit être de plus en plus difficile de trouver un sample provençal qui n'aurait aucune ascendance nord-italienne vu l'ampleur de l'immigration italienne depuis le milieu du XIXe siècle.

Ajeje Brazorf
06-06-2022, 06:42 PM
Yes, French_Provence average will probably be more representative of the parts of Provence close to Italy than of Provence as a whole.


Distance to: 94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard
0.01084303 French_Occitanie
0.01260233 French_Auvergne
0.01365939 France_Limousin_(N=5)
0.01480401 France_Poitou-Charentes_(N=10)
0.01600497 France_Burgundy_(N=3)
0.01701649 France_Rhône-Alpes_(N=7)
0.01736153 France_Aquitaine_(N=2)
0.01759978 BelgianC
0.01862887 Swiss_German
0.01903224 French_Alsace
0.01970168 French_Nord
0.01978318 French_Paris
0.01979745 Swiss_French
0.02010562 France_Centre-Val_de_Loire_(N=2)
0.02016515 France_Auvergne_(N=3)
0.02102529 France_Champagne-Ardenne_(N=2)
0.02148358 France_Franche-Comté_(N=4)
0.02296691 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02364386 BelgianB
0.02406581 France_Languedoc-Roussillon_(N=5)
0.02410759 France_Midi-Pyrénées_(N=4)
0.02413055 France_Pays_de_la_Loire_(N=8)
0.02445971 France_Nord-Pas-de-Calais_(N=13)
0.02491805 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02492340 Spanish_Penedes
0.02526949 French_Provence
0.02537679 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02601037 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02602561 Spanish_Girona
0.02630749 France_Lower_Normandy_(N=13)
0.02702927 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02726794 France_Lorraine_(N=2)
0.02752774 Spanish_Lleida
0.02789791 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02801521 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02821997 France_Alsace_(N=3)
0.02843907 BelgianA
0.02856516 France_Provence-Alpes-Côte_d'Azur_(N=1)
0.02900187 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02941096 France_Picardy_(N=2)
0.02999930 Spanish_Biscay

Flashball
06-07-2022, 06:04 AM
Yes, French_Provence average will probably be more representative of the parts of Provence close to Italy than of Provence as a whole.


Distance to: 94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard
0.01084303 French_Occitanie
0.01260233 French_Auvergne
0.01365939 France_Limousin_(N=5)
0.01480401 France_Poitou-Charentes_(N=10)
0.01600497 France_Burgundy_(N=3)
0.01701649 France_Rhône-Alpes_(N=7)
0.01736153 France_Aquitaine_(N=2)
0.01759978 BelgianC
0.01862887 Swiss_German
0.01903224 French_Alsace
0.01970168 French_Nord
0.01978318 French_Paris
0.01979745 Swiss_French
0.02010562 France_Centre-Val_de_Loire_(N=2)
0.02016515 France_Auvergne_(N=3)
0.02102529 France_Champagne-Ardenne_(N=2)
0.02148358 France_Franche-Comté_(N=4)
0.02296691 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02364386 BelgianB
0.02406581 France_Languedoc-Roussillon_(N=5)
0.02410759 France_Midi-Pyrénées_(N=4)
0.02413055 France_Pays_de_la_Loire_(N=8)
0.02445971 France_Nord-Pas-de-Calais_(N=13)
0.02491805 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02492340 Spanish_Penedes
0.02526949 French_Provence
0.02537679 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02601037 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02602561 Spanish_Girona
0.02630749 France_Lower_Normandy_(N=13)
0.02702927 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02726794 France_Lorraine_(N=2)
0.02752774 Spanish_Lleida
0.02789791 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02801521 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02821997 France_Alsace_(N=3)
0.02843907 BelgianA
0.02856516 France_Provence-Alpes-Côte_d'Azur_(N=1)
0.02900187 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02941096 France_Picardy_(N=2)
0.02999930 Spanish_Biscay

Thanks.

Flashball
08-25-2022, 07:46 AM
Bump

Nmiito
08-26-2022, 12:56 PM
Yes, French_Provence average will probably be more representative of the parts of Provence close to Italy than of Provence as a whole.


Distance to: 94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard
0.01084303 French_Occitanie
0.01260233 French_Auvergne
0.01365939 France_Limousin_(N=5)
0.01480401 France_Poitou-Charentes_(N=10)
0.01600497 France_Burgundy_(N=3)
0.01701649 France_Rhône-Alpes_(N=7)
0.01736153 France_Aquitaine_(N=2)
0.01759978 BelgianC
0.01862887 Swiss_German
0.01903224 French_Alsace
0.01970168 French_Nord
0.01978318 French_Paris
0.01979745 Swiss_French
0.02010562 France_Centre-Val_de_Loire_(N=2)
0.02016515 France_Auvergne_(N=3)
0.02102529 France_Champagne-Ardenne_(N=2)
0.02148358 France_Franche-Comté_(N=4)
0.02296691 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02364386 BelgianB
0.02406581 France_Languedoc-Roussillon_(N=5)
0.02410759 France_Midi-Pyrénées_(N=4)
0.02413055 France_Pays_de_la_Loire_(N=8)
0.02445971 France_Nord-Pas-de-Calais_(N=13)
0.02491805 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02492340 Spanish_Penedes
0.02526949 French_Provence
0.02537679 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02601037 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02602561 Spanish_Girona
0.02630749 France_Lower_Normandy_(N=13)
0.02702927 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02726794 France_Lorraine_(N=2)
0.02752774 Spanish_Lleida
0.02789791 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02801521 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02821997 France_Alsace_(N=3)
0.02843907 BelgianA
0.02856516 France_Provence-Alpes-Côte_d'Azur_(N=1)
0.02900187 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02941096 France_Picardy_(N=2)
0.02999930 Spanish_Biscay

Which dataset do you use with so many regional samples?

Ajeje Brazorf
08-26-2022, 03:53 PM
Which dataset do you use with so many regional samples?

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?26110-Autosomal-Maps-of-France&p=843605#post843605

Flashball
03-07-2024, 07:03 PM
Bump

Flashball
03-07-2024, 08:14 PM
Target: 94%04BassesAlpes6%Gard
Distance: 3.4791% / 0.03479087
50.2 TUR_Barcin_N
36.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIGCWH_W8AAcD8s?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIGCa0YWAAEgxzz?format=jpg&name=4096x4096



More close to a Northern French (from Pas-de-Calais) that to a North Italian (even these North Italians with +33% Steppic, like Paolo Sizzi)

Funny is, according to some ignorant people, this woman should be closer to people from Lombardy and Veneto than from Alsace, Picardie (North of France), Auvergne, etc.
This is not the case in reality: there is genetics linked to geography but there is not necessarily always proximity depending on graphic proximity depending the country, area, so that some Auvergnats are in the same cluster that this woman from historical Provence since they both have a strong Gaulish contribution.

Also, her WHG level is close to my father (12-13% for my father and 13-14% for her). Some Gaulish from South Eastern area had a relative high level of WHG.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIGGfXiWgAADD3h?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIGGlZpXEAAOXd9?format=jpg&name=small


Gaulish woman
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GH_sC1hWYAArDZV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Beowulf
03-08-2024, 07:48 PM
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Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.02121246
94%04BassesAlpes6%UnknowGard



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