Cro Magnoids in South Asia?

[punkx]

Does South Asia have it's own Cro Magnoid type?

I have always thought that Jats from Haryana have a very distinctive, robust and rugged look that we don't really find elsewhere in South Asia, and I think it might be because of all that Steppe they have. I know it's not a very scientific way but I want to ask if the PIE were metrically Cro-magnoids? Or perhaps the Indo-Scythians?

Also, would you even consider this kind of a phenotype as CM in the first place?

Some examples:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220608/3650b4d9629834e7139dcc40d6fd0e70.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220608/de6bf348d3b2a196d03b64ea3e48b5c2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220608/634972b25e7c739682a21c4edbd3b948.jpg
Even though both the men I included are Punjabi Jats not Haryanvi ones, it is just to illustrate what I mean. I find this robust look to be fairly common especially in rural areas even among non-athletes.

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[Tooting Carmen]

In my experience, Sikhs tend to be relatively robust compared to most other South Asians.

[Oliver109]

Influence is probably from Tajikistan and northern Pakistan which has not just Alpine types but also local CM varieties, as a rule they are not native to S Asia but seen more in the lighter skinned varieties, Sikhs too.

[punkx]

Influence is probably from Tajikistan and northern Pakistan which has not just Alpine types but also local CM varieties, as a rule they are not native to S Asia but seen more in the lighter skinned varieties, Sikhs too.Yeah, Tajikistan too seems to have a very robust CM-like variety as well as high Steppe ancestry. I am of the opinion that this paleolithic (?) look in Central Asia is related to the NW South Asian one...

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[Roy]

Yamnaya people were very robust and some of these steppe folks reached India too. But it has to be more common in Pakistan.

[punkx]

Yamnaya people were very robust and some of these steppe folks reached India too. But it has to be more common in Pakistan.Northern Pakistan, maybe/maybe not as Haryana Jats have higher Steppe than them as well but the rest of Pak is neither as high in Steppe nor that robust.

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[luc2112]

Cro-Magnon has little Neanderthal part as far as I know and the Indo-Europeans who immigrated to India were R1 (modern).

Indians have little trace of Denisovan, similar to some Amerindians (Denisovans are in Mongolian C3)

Amerindian:

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5dd45547aec820000949f4fd/1:1/w_1622,h_1622,c_limit/JLA-Morales.jpg

[Donhueas]

Maybe they are proto iranids, or more likely they are mountain indids, I think these (Mountain indid) are robust by adaptation to a mountain habitat type.

[Donhueas]

Cro-Magnon has little Neanderthal part as far as I know and the Indo-Europeans who immigrated to India were R1 (modern).

Indians have little trace of Denisovan, similar to some Amerindians (Denisovans are in Mongolian C3)

Amerindian:

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5dd45547aec820000949f4fd/1:1/w_1622,h_1622,c_limit/JLA-Morales.jpg

I believe that there are no C3 aborigines in South America

[punkx]

Maybe they are proto iranids, or more likely they are mountain indids, I think these (Mountain indid) are robust by adaptation to a mountain habitat type.Mountain Indids are a sub-type of Gracile Indid, short in height, with a receding jaw. They're actually not robust at all. Proto Iranids seems more like a possibility.


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[luc2112]

I believe that there are no C3 aborigines in South America

Aborigines australian is a recent group with its own mutations

Most Amerindians are C3 and Q3-M3 (siberian altaics, modern)



Some C3 Amerindians originate from northeast India.

[Tsuin]

Likely from Yamnaya influence. First guy can pass as Mestizo

[Donhueas]

Aborigines australian is a recent group with its own mutations

Most Amerindians are C3 and Q3-M3 (siberian altaics, modern)



Some C3 Amerindians originate from northeast India.

Almost 95% are Qs and most Cs are in North America and speak NaDene languages

[Donhueas]

Mountain Indids are a sub-type of Gracile Indid, short in height, with a receding jaw. They're actually not robust at all. Proto Iranids seems more like a possibility.


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Isn't Harayana the territory of mountains indids? Maybe the people above are mostly Mountain-indid (gracile indid alpinized?) with proto-iranid chin, I don't know, take it as simple speculations.

[Roy]

Isn't Harayana the territory of mountains indids? Maybe the people above are mostly Mountain-indid (gracile indid alpinized?) with proto-iranid chin, I don't know, take it as simple speculations.

Lol at proto-Iranid chin. It is way too specific.

[Donhueas]

Lol at proto-Iranid chin. It is way too specific.

Lol, yes, but it's the same as saying CM jaw

[Donhueas]

Lol at proto-Iranid chin. It is way too specific.

Lol, yes, but it's the same as saying CM jaw

[Roy]

Lol, yes, but it's the same as saying CM jaw

I would not say do, albeit the specific features of CM eye sockets are more clearly defined - as they were rectangular.

[Donhueas]

I would not say do, albeit the specific features of CM eye sockets are more clearly defined - as they were rectangular.

I referred to the jaw, anyway proto-iranids that have no orientalid influence (which are very few) have eyes similar to those of any CM (I think so)

[Donhueas]

I would not say do, albeit the specific features of CM eye sockets are more clearly defined - as they were rectangular.

I referred to the jaw, anyway proto-iranids that have no orientalid influence (which are very few) have eyes similar to those of any CM (I think so)

[Donhueas]

I would not say do, albeit the specific features of CM eye sockets are more clearly defined - as they were rectangular.

I referred to the jaw, anyway proto-iranids that have no orientalid influence (which are very few) have eyes similar to those of any CM (I think so)

[luc2112]

Almost 95% are Qs and most Cs are in North America and speak NaDene languages

Only North America have N2/N3

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png

C3 it is originally from North America obviously, but it has spread all over America (central and Andes mainly) Brazil has less C3 than the Andes.

[Donhueas]

Only North America have N2/N3

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png

C3 it is originally from North America obviously, but it has spread all over America (central and Andes mainly) Brazil has less C3 than the Andes.

https://i.ibb.co/WkLfrVr/Haplogrupo-C3-ADN-Y.png (https://ibb.co/5rPLQKQ)
Ok, but it's almost impossible to find (that's why I said 95%. If I'm not mistaken, haplogroup C is not common anywhere, but it exists on all continents, I think it is associated with Aurignacoid and the origin of light hair. I think na has no N, in America there are only those two and an attempt was made to associate the R using the Solutrean hypothesis

[luc2112]

Ok, but it's almost impossible to find (that's why I said 95%. If I'm not mistaken, haplogroup C is not common anywhere, but it exists on all continents,
Almost all of Central America is 50% C3. Brazil mostly Q3, but had migration from the equator C3, Andes (extreme west coast) is almost entirely C3



I think it is associated with Aurignacoid and the origin of light hair.

I do not know what it is Aurignacoid, but america amerindians does not have light haired and have little body hair


I think na has no N, in America there are only those two and an attempt was made to associate the R using the Solutrean hypothesis
N is found in North America only with linguistic similarities to Siberians (probably last migration). The R is in Q3-M3 (Altaics) but they are mostly Mongolian.

[Donhueas]

Almost all of Central America is 50% C3. Brazil mostly Q3, but had migration from the equator C3, Andes (extreme west coast) is almost entirely C3




I do not know what it is Aurignacoid, but america amerindians does not have light haired and have little body hair


N is found in North America only with linguistic similarities to Siberians (probably last migration). The R is in Q3-M3 (Altaics) but they are mostly Mongolian.

I have never heard of an Amerindian N, the similarity between Amerindians and Siberians is the paternal haplogroup C3, this is linked to the linguistic similarity between NaDene and Yenisic languages.
Brazil is mitochondrially C3, but paternally Q3 the same as all of South America. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Ameri cas. Look at the table of paternal haplogroups, C3 is mainly in North America.

[Donhueas]

https://i.ibb.co/BL5yJcJ/main-qimg-d44b31b2e91974309df68429047f3c6c-pjlq.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Aurignacoid (I think that's what it was called, if not I'm sorry), is like a group associated with the first Cromagnones that spread haplogroup C around the world.

[luc2112]

I have never heard of an Amerindian N
It may be a variation of C, but they are very different from the amerindians of america due to the more oblique eyes



the similarity between Amerindians and Siberians is the paternal haplogroup C3, this is linked to the linguistic similarity between NaDene and Yenisic languages.
Brazil is mitochondrially C3, but paternally Q3 the same as all of South America. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Ameri cas.

At the end there is a list with the percentages of each group:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Ameri cas

BTW: Those from the east coast of the United States are mestizos with European R1-b, probable contact with navigators but no historical record.


Look at the table of paternal haplogroups, C3 is mainly in North America

Andes had a direct migration of the North American C3 (same as tissue culture), there was a division of these amerindians due to the Andes mountain range

[Donhueas]

It may be a variation of C, but they are very different from the amerindians of america due to the more oblique eyes




At the end there is a list with the percentages of each group:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Ameri cas

BTW: Those from the east coast of the United States are mestizos with European R1-b, probable contact with navigators but no historical record.



Andes had a direct migration of the North American C3 (same as tissue culture), there was a division of these amerindians due to the Andes mountain range

The paternal haplogroup N has always been associated with Uralic peoples.
According to wikipedia listing: Inga people (Colombian Incas): haplogroup Q: 78%; haplogroup C: 0%. I don't know if you know of any maps that say that.
Yes, it is very likely that they are actually mestizos, although there have been currents that have tried to explain haplogroup R in America through ancestral migration, although those theories are currently discredited.

[Donhueas]

Lol this thread degenerated dramatically.

[punkx]

https://i.ibb.co/BL5yJcJ/main-qimg-d44b31b2e91974309df68429047f3c6c-pjlq.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Aurignacoid (I think that's what it was called, if not I'm sorry), is like a group associated with the first Cromagnones that spread haplogroup C around the world.
Isn't Harayana the territory of mountains indids? Maybe the people above are mostly Mountain-indid (gracile indid alpinized?) with proto-iranid chin, I don't know, take it as simple speculations.No no, Mountain Indids are from the region immediately North-east of Harayana. It can occur in Haryana too, but it's not their primary type.

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