GENETIC REPORTS AND ANALYSES. AND LOVING LINEAGE AND HERITAGE WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL

[VikLevaPatel]

A quick point before we begin.

I WOULD LIKE TO START BY PAYING TRIBUTE TO THE MAN WHO CAN NEVER DIE :bowlol::notworth::bow00001::biggrin: :hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:

I saw the movie trailer for Elvis (https://archive.ph/blryh) the King of Rock on YouTube last night and and started loving more deeply, intensely, passionately, both my identity, self, heritage, and lineage and the lineage and heritage of Elvis the King AKA "The Man Who Can Never Die".

I have come to love it with all my heart and soul. :love0033::love0033::love0031::love0031::love0031: :fdgd::iloveyou:

This kind of love can only be described as "fanatical".

The King of Rock 'n Roll shares the same mtDNA or maternal haplogroup of W6 with me.

All Hail the King. Who belongs to the maternal haplogroup known as W6. :hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::clap::bump2:

My CRI Genetics (https://www.crigenetics.com/) report has confirmed this. And my Genetrack (https://www.genetrackcanada.com/) report has gone further and pinpointed the country or region of origin. Which is Sweden. And more specifically, Gotland.

Not only that: they gave me my specific subclade, W6a. They also provided a thorough analysis and a very detailed and lengthy report. I recall asking FTDNA "Big Y" specialist Casimir about this "subclade" question. His reply was, simply, "It's W6".

At over 1000 dollars, I didn't expect anything less from Genetrack Biolabs (https://www.genetrackcanada.com/) (Canada).

Yes, money is meant to be spent! But that's not the question, or questions, at issue.

I'd say it was money well spent.


Speaking of weeding, boy, oh boy. Tell me about it. I'm lucky I haven't suffered a nervous breakdown. I would have had a mental breakdown if I didn't have the two valuable and limited resources—money and time—for all these genetic tests. Since these tests can easily run into thousands of dollars.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342599-How-Viking-Are-You-Genomelink&p=7516866#post7516866

The deceivers have ended up as the deceived. Filthy liars. They are doomed to eternal damnation. :flynch::suicide::smash::bitch::voodoo::voodoo::vo odoo:

[VikLevaPatel]

Genoplot only allows a maximum limit of 3000 credits per month, with no rollovers. I have taken out a one-year subscription for one hundred dollars (and recommend you do too).

The problem is that you can easily run out of credits to use for various admixes. Thus, I am practically forced to create another account.

This will cost me another hundred dollars.

But does that matter? It does not matter in the least.

But also, GEDmatch can sink into oblivion, and nobody would notice or care if they died.

Only a fool or a liar would care.

Like these naysayers and dangerously ill informed p*pinjays on Anthrogenica, and possibly other forums. Take this dangerously ill-informed and factually wrong post by "MonkeyDLuffy", on Anthrogenica (https://archive.ph/KtJQt).


Kush is Reddy and tipirneni is Kamma from same region. They score like Patels, high Iran N and AASI, and almost close to none steppe.

:bullshit::bullshit::bullshit::bullshit::bullshit: :dancingpoop::dancingpoop::dancingpoop::dancingpoo p::dancingpoop::dancingpoop::dancingpoop:

You can certainly say that this is inflammatory and it is inept. It's a crassly ignorant comment from someone who has made similar crassly ignorant comments in the past, but the ignorance of his original comments really struck a chord with me.

If there's one phrase that strikes cold terror deep into the heart, it's this.

They are words and thoughts that strike a chord of fear, loathing, and anger.

It's cheap, uneducated, offensive, disgusting, pernicious, ill-judged, ill-informed, and presumptuous in its ignorance.

Either they're aware of what they are doing, in which case they are philistines, or they are unaware, in which case they are dangerously ignorant and ill-informed.

Such views are at best ill-informed and at worse nothing less than complete ignorance. Such ill-informed and nasty opinions cannot be allowed to pass unchallenged.

F*ck 'em and f*ck all the naysayers and ill informed p*pinjays. Like f*ck them all . . . And bring the deceivers to justice.

:smilie_stop::hitler::hitler::hitler::smash::fucky ou::asshat::dumbass::fuck::fuck_you::fuck_you::fuc k_you::fuck_you::dumbass::dumbass:

I'll start with this:

Mephisto K10

https://i.ibb.co/5KPq7Qb/afana.png

https://i.ibb.co/D49SB9M/mep.png

https://i.ibb.co/p04MSVQ/afanas.png

https://i.ibb.co/fC4xg6W/bbell.png

https://i.ibb.co/z2Cssmv/bell.png

https://i.ibb.co/8BgFmL1/spain.png

https://i.ibb.co/SdyhxcJ/scr.png

These results above pretty much resemble my own.

And here are some of the results from RUSSIA8:

https://i.ibb.co/NSstFX1/cauc.png

https://i.ibb.co/9tsQjCK/chart.png

https://i.ibb.co/SQ1vn1N/rus.png

https://i.ibb.co/zsybYR1/fin.png

https://i.ibb.co/vPsGHxJ/tab.png

This particular admix (Russia K8) has yielded some very interesting results.

I'll do more detailed analysis of this later.

From what I can see, the "Caucasian" component or group also consists of Anatolian and Balkan components.

And thus "Caucasian" should read "Caucasian-Anatolian-Balkan".

The higher scores indicate that this is also the case, and the results should be considered or should be interpreted with this in mind.


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[VikLevaPatel]

This sounds eerily similar to Living DNA, who said the same thing, and used the same excuse! :roll eyes:crazy:

Because I've never had problems like this. Only with these two (Living DNA and Atlas Biomed).

And they have been caught out.

What does this tell us, in general? And what does this tell us -- or at least imply?

This whole thing has been despicable on his part. This is despicable and should be condemned.

It's excuse after excuse. Some people will come up with excuse after excuse. People Like Them!!!

And I most likely have done more genetic tests and spent more money on them than anyone else.

TENS of thousands of dollars. Right across the board. All angles covered; no stone unturned.

I feel like people are constantly trying to fuck with me, and I like to surprise them like, 'No, you cannot.'

Are they (Atlas Biomed) in cohorts with Living DNA, making the same exact excuse :picard2::bitch::bitch::icon_fight:

:smilie_stop::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::smilie_sto p::flynch::flynch::flynch::voodoo::voodoo::voodoo:

And as text on the site states (https://archive.ph/FKBet): "The technologies used in the Atlas DNA Test are 99.9% accurate. Atlas Biomed has ISO 13485:2016 accreditation for medical device quality management systems. Your DNA sample is analysed using DNA microarray technology from Illumina in a certified EU lab."

And where do you get off thinking you can blame me for your bullshit?

Yeah you have the wrong person. If you are trying to fuck with me, and trying to fuck with my head. Think thrice before trying to fuck with me.

Using the same excuse makes it seem kind of suspicious.


Louise Wayman <hello@atlasbiomed.com>

Hello Vik,

I am contacting you from Atlas Biomed, in reference to your Atlas DNA Test.

I am sorry to inform you that in order to complete the analysis, and send the results to you, we need to receive another biological sample for your DNA test.

We ran a series of tests that have shown that the received sample (9203-0063) cannot be used.

We have attempted to re-test your sample several times, unfortunately we've been unable to extract enough data from it to provide you with results that meet our quality standards. The laboratory has commented that there was very little DNA within the sample, this has resulted in a lack of quality data left to be analysed.

The most common reason why this happens is that there's an insufficient amount of liquid saliva (not bubbles), or there's contamination from either oral hygiene products, carbonated products, cigarettes, as well as other products that come in contact with your mouth, when providing a sample immediately or shortly after using them.

We must assure you that this situation is not common, however it's also not an exceptional case, so there is no need to be concerned.

We will of course be happy to send you a new kit, free of charge, so that I may send this to you, could you please let us know the best address for delivery, as well as a contact telephone number to provide to our courier partner.

I will in the meantime remove the first barcode from your account, so that the new one can be registered upon receipt.

Should you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us anytime.

My apologies again for the inconvenience, and I hope to speak to you soon.

--
Louise Wayman
Customer Support

Well, that's a nice surprise.

:lol00002::lol00002::lol00002::biggrin::hitler::ar gue::flynch::banghead::bitch::smash::smash::smash: :1099::1099::1099::eek2::eek2:

Avoid them like a plague!

:fuckyou::dumbass::bullshit:

That is, unless you actually want to receive excuses like these.

:fuck_you::fuck_you::fuck_you::fuckyou::dumbass::d umbass::fuck_you::fuck_you::fuck_you:

Such excuses! Utterly Shameless! Mr Wayman, it would be in your own interest to not act stupid any longer.

Here's a big FUCK YOU to Louise Wayman. He hasn't got an ounce of shame in his body.

Go to bed, Louise! You're busted.

Against Louise Wayman and his petty excuses I send him......


Greetings Louise

I've been thinking.

What happens if you come back with the same excuse? After I send a second sample.

You're not fooling me with this,

I'm not going to accept your bullshit and buy this this complete bullshit either.

I can't keep buying this bullshit anymore!

Not from you. And not from Living DNA.

It cost us time and money. Lots of it, in fact.

Getting it here via PACK & SEND and sending it back via DHL EXPRESS.

You can't even specify the proper return address on the package.

Keep your kits to yourself, Louise.

Excuses, excuses, that's all you lot are bloody good at.

Stop with this bullshit already.

Are you in cohorts with Living DNA, making the same exact excuse?

Provide A Full Refund.

Or I'll have my secretary do a full chargeback.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Excuse after excuse.


Plus they are saying there is contamination
From cigarettes
Vik you have never touched cigarettes
What is this ??

It is just excuses

M

Enough excuses.

In fact, I have a big fat "fuck you" for … anybody who is so stupid as to completely buy his bullshit.

:fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuck you::asshat::asshat::asshat::asshat::asshat::assha t::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuck_you:

You can't fool me. So don't even fucking try.

[VikLevaPatel]

This sounds eerily similar to Living DNA, who said the same thing, and used the same excuse! :roll eyes:crazy:

Because I've never had problems like this. Only with these two (Living DNA and Atlas Biomed).]

Add this to the list of creepy firsts: https://i.ibb.co/dpCMtJd/seq.png

:picard2:

I never expected that from sequencing.com

The same thing could happen to you as well. So what do you do if it happens to you?

Make sure you order from their sister site, Nebula Genomics (https://nebula.org/whole-genome-sequencing-dna-test/), regardless of whether or not you have a whole genome sequencing order with Sequencing.com.

Nebula Genomics should definitely be your first choice when it comes to WGS testing.

I would have said the same about Sequencing.com, but not after experiencing the same or similar issues.

The process, here, seems to be going well.

https://i.ibb.co/cC5Jg4c/neb.png

Fingers crossed, though. The last thing I want is to receive the same message stating that "we were not able to process your sample". :no::1004::1099::banging head:banging head:banging head:cussing:cussing:cussing

And what's surprising is that they use the same "state-of-the-art testing lab". And that testing lab is in Georgia, and goes by the name of "AKESOgen".

What's doubly astonishing is that CRI Genetics (https://www.crigenetics.com/) also uses the same lab for all their DNA tests. And the CRI Genetics kit was processed by the AKESOgen laboratory without any fuss and results entered into their database.

:dunno::eek2::shrug::dunno::eek2::shrug:

Alas, this excuse also fails, and I am savagely scornful of this "excuse".

And I'm certainly not buying into this line of BS.

:stop00010::banging head:stop:stop:stop:


Test status
There was an issue with your kit. Please contact Support.

https://i.ibb.co/R3L3VS0/geno.png

Kit Barcode: Sample Sequencing Failed: https://i.ibb.co/1s3KMKT/ken.png


Ken
2 days ago
Hi,

My name is Ken, from with Sequencing.com's Customer Support team. I am writing to inform you that the sequencing for kit barcode NG104H7XTN was not successful. Our laboratory partner has very strict quality controls, and any sequencing results which do not pass those quality controls are rejected to insure the highest possible quality and accuracy of your genetic data.

Please be assured that this is not indicative of anything being wrong or abnormal with your DNA—it's normal for a small percentage of test kits to fail for various reasons that are unrelated to the genome itself.

When this occurs we can send you a replacement kit at no charge. If you would like us to send you a replacement kit, please let us know and we can process this order immediately.

Also I wanted to let you know personally that we can now ship to Australia.

We apologize that this has led to a delay in returning results for you.

Please let me know if I am able to help out in any way!

Thanks for using Sequencing.com!

That ain't gonna happen.

:smilie_stop::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::smilie_sto p::flynch::argue::faint2::stop00010::stop00010:

[VikLevaPatel]

Let this serve as a wake-up call. Let this post serve as a cautionary note, and as an example. And let this be a cautionary tale not forgotten.


And I'm certainly not buying into this line of BS. https://i.ibb.co/R3L3VS0/geno.png

:Cash::smilie_auslachen::wtf:gpost::sheep1::sheep0 00::blah:

This is a huge cost in "wasted time and money". And it's "a huge let down".

The progress chart shows that the sample had passed all relevant safety tests and checks needed to proceed to the next and final phase. And it had progressed to the final god-that-failed stage. It was in progress of getting sequenced. And then, this? Wtf!!!! :mad::confused::picard2:

https://i.ibb.co/R3L3VS0/geno.png

You can't make this shit up. :fuckyou::fuck_you::fuckyou::fuck_you::fuck_you:

:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

:smilie_stop::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::bleedingey es::bleedingeyes::bleedingeyes::comp26::aufsmaul_2 ::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::bleedinge yes::bleedingeyes::bleedingeyes::comp26::aufsmaul_ 2::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::bleeding eyes::bleedingeyes::bleedingeyes::comp26::aufsmaul _2:

I just can't believe this. I mean, for god's sake, it passed through the extraction and purification phases. (WTF, right?) This, plainly, is absurd. THIS ISNT A FUCKING JOKE. This is a big let down. The test failed at the final stage. Or so Sequencing.com would have you believe. They cannot be trusted (not with whole genome testing, anyway). Compare the pace of that progress with that of Nebula Genomics.

https://i.ibb.co/022fn3q/nebg.png


Quality Control
Your sample has entered our multi-phase quality control process to ensure accurate results.

Sequencing
Your sample has passed all the control tests and is being sequenced!

Results Ready
Your sample has been sequenced! The future of health is in your DNA.

Certainly it's a good start, and hopefully it will progress to the main phase and then the first stage.


Stephanie (Nebula Genomics)

Jul 11, 2022, 11:21 AM EDT

Hello,

Your sample is currently under the second stage of testing for sequencing. If your sample passes testing you will be receiving your report soon. Please note that your kit id is not registered online. So you do need to register your kit. You can register your kit on our website: Nebula Genomics - https://nebula.org/whole-genome-sequencing-dna-test/ , on the top right-hand corner there is a tab named Register kit. As soon as your kit is done testing, your report will be delivered to your account.

I hope this helps. If you have any other questions feel free to email us.

Thank you,
Stephanie

[VikLevaPatel]

Let this serve as a wake-up call. Let this post serve as a cautionary note, and as an example. And let this be a cautionary tale not forgotten. Certainly it's a good start, and hopefully it will progress to the main phase and then the first stage.

Talk about being taken for a ride, and for a very expensive ride!

It was never any good, and it was never a "good start", only the illusion of one.

:puke::bullet puke:stop00010::flynch::1099::Cash::smilie_auslach en::fcrazy:

This is learning the hard way.

This is unusual behavior.

And this is very suspicious.

This will serve as a warning - carefully take note of this and of their behaviors before even deciding to order from them.

And their behavior "should raise alarm bells for everybody".

They should be called out and their behavior stigmatized, marginalized and criminalized.

I sent them (Nebula Genomics) an email yesterday, and look at their response. That's totally unacceptable. They changed the status at once (https://archive.ph/Sybtv/85bbe18bf1a1255000032f8a00dd21709adb18d9.png), and now claim that it cannot be processed any longer.

:2headsalt::bullshit::dancingpoop:

Such a behavior is suspicious.

The deceit and manipulation are dead giveaways, and these tricksters surely have mastered the art of manipulations and lies.

Indicators of fraud include suspicious activities such as these.

But they continue to sing the same discredited tune.

They are both "playing the same tune" in unison and repeating the same shit ad nauseam.

That Escalated Quickly, to use the popular meme.

https://i.ibb.co/XWmjkcW/process.png

:2headsalt::icon_arghhh::eusa_naughty::smilie_stop ::comp26::voodoo:

114708
114709
114707

Not even once. (https://i.imgflip.com/6mkytk.jpg)

:voodoo::voodoo::fhmm::stop00010::stop00010::stop0 0010::banghead:

Avoid these like the plague. I'm learning it the hard way.

And when the price of whole genome sequencing is too good to be true, the reality is too true to be good, as is the case here.


AVOID THEIR WHOLE GENOME SEQUENCING TEST
A review has already been written against sequencing.com, outlying the main reason as to why. Let the same be written of their sister company. As I ordered WGS (whole genome) testing) from BOTH of them, and sent the kits back together via DHL Express to the return address, which was the AKESOgen lab in Georgia. I warn you, stay well clear of the whole genome sequencing testing, as they will make some lame excuse that there was not enough DNA for a sample, or it is contaminated. Especially when they use the AKESOgen lab, the same lab used by CRI Genetics. And my tests went through with them without any problems. The same excuse was made by their sister company Sequencing.com. Save the excuses please, Stephanie. I’m not blindly accepting things you say. And this is coming from someone who most likely has done more genetic tests than anybody else has ever done. And spent more on them, with their costs running into tens of thousands of dollars

https://www.trustpilot.com/reviews/62cd1a13e77911f244a151f6

Guardiome.com (https://www.guardiome.com/) specializes in whole genome testing, and they certainly seem to be market leaders in this field.

Of course, it's true that prices don't always reflect values, and that price does not equal value.

They (Guardiome) do charge a higher price ($1,099.00), and I would certainly say, based on my own experience, that their price does "reflect the value", that is to say, the intrinsic value, the correct value, and the real value of things. In this case, sequencing your genome, at 30X coverage. For over a thousand dollars. That's the real market price. Despite what the "contrarians" and the "snake oil salesmen" would have you believe. The price of genome sequencing is dropping at double the rate of Moore's Law, or so they'd have us believe. For comparison, Mapmygenome (https://mapmygenome.in/whole-genome-sequencing/) prices their Whole Genome Sequencing test at ₹89,000.00 (https://mapmygenome.in/whole-genome-sequencing/). This pricing is comparable to Guardiome's prices.

The Guardiome Team's response raises several questions and important points that warrant further discussion.


Guardiome Team <team@guardiome.com>
Hi Vik,

That is interesting. Did sequencing.com and nebula send you saliva sample kits or swab samples? Swab samples capture much less DNA and are prone to rapid DNA degradation. Saliva sample kits are more stable and there should rarely be issues unless the person giving the sample didn’t follow the sampling instructions (not eating before sampling, not spitting at least 2mL into the tube for example).

Its possible that there were actually problems with amount, purity, and/or degradation both times. But without seeing the sample QC results, our guess is as good as yours regarding what went wrong.

Our team member Kate made this video about sampling that might give you some more background.

Let us know if we can be of any more help. We’d be happy to try sending you a kit as well, we rarely have problems with sample quality.

Cheers,
The Guardiome Team

The Guardiome Team raises two important points here.

One is about following written instructions, which I always do. The next key point is that they never really had issues with sample processing. And I can tell you from experience, that most genetic testing companies don't have any issues, any problems. Only these four culprits: Living DNA, Atlas Biomed, Sequencing.com, Nebula Genomics. They have been exposed and discredited.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff03K5uJrdM&ab_channel=KatharineME

[VikLevaPatel]

Guardiome Team <team@guardiome.com>
Hi Vik,

We don’t have a support number at the moment, but yes we see that. It is strange that the status showed as passes and ready for sequencing at first.

Also to the best of our knowledge, Nebula actually sequences with BGI in China. However it possible they have changed recently.

Best,
The Guardiome Team

The email exchange is revelatory. This reply was sent back to the Guardiome Team.

Something fishy is going on. Looks like they are shamelessly shifting their positions more often than women change their underwear or sanitary napkins. There are investigations already under way against Dante Labs in the UK. At least the last time I checked. But as pointed out above, one sample kit from Nebula Genomics, and the other from Sequencing.com, (and BTW, they are sister companies or something), were sent to the AKESOgen lab in Georgia. It looks like they are now going under a different name, Tempus (https://archive.ph/5OU4O). I sent my CRI Genetics (https://www.crigenetics.com/) sample to the same laboratory (AKESOgen, 3155 Northwoods Pl NW, Peachtree Corners, GA 30071, United States). And then it was processed without the slightest problem.

Followed by this.

And it's good to know that FTDNA (FamilyTreeDNA) didn't go ahead with some sort of collaboration with these shape-shifters. Otherwise, "their good name" would have been destroyed "beyond repair." And confidence and trust in FTDNA would have been justifiably wrecked beyond repair. Who do these chameleons and snake oil salesmen think they're kidding?

[VikLevaPatel]

Also to the best of our knowledge, Nebula actually sequences with BGI in China. However it possible they have changed recently.

Best,
The Guardiome Team


Something fishy is going on.

That sent me into a tailspin. And this is enough to raise alarms. And should certainly raise alarm bells in all of us.

:smilie_stop::machine gun::smilie_stop::machine gun::hitler::voodoo::smilie_stop::smilie_stop::mac hine gun::smilie_stop::machine gun::hitler::voodoo::smilie_stop:

No matter what you call it, it adds up to the same thing. All this is enough to send you right into a lost and mental tailspin.

This feels like an elaborate April Fool's joke, but sadly the joke is on us.

For all the polarization that grips Washington, here's a source of rare consensus (https://archive.ph/2mvmL#selection-701.0-701.192): the emerging threat of China's push to acquire our health care data, including the DNA of American citizens. China has been stealing data, including DNA files (https://archive.ph/guaVj#selection-2639.0-2649.47), to advance its economic, security, and foreign-policy goals.

https://archive.ph/4gXRl/f472a8695f464fb9a611cd11d4142ec96c3950f4.jpg, https://i.imgflip.com/6mtciy.jpg

Just let let these things (https://archive.ph/G4RV4) sink in your minds. And let it sink in real deep. And even more especially, let that sink in (https://archive.ph/guaVj) to understand how despicably low they have sunk.

China already holds the world's largest trove of genetic material (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/world/asia/China-DNA-surveillance.html), totaling 80 million profiles. Beijing has a track record of misusing genetic data (https://archive.ph/guaVj#selection-985.0-1047.9), and Chinese firms are already collecting genetic data from around the world as part of an effort by the Chinese government and companies (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01984-4) to develop the world’s largest bio-database (https://archive.ph/ZCNby#selection-489.16-489.235). U.S. intelligence also shows (https://archive.ph/ZX030#selection-1255.0-1255.242) that China has conducted "human testing" on members of the People's Liberation Army in hope of developing soldiers with "biologically enhanced capabilities."

"There's something going on".

China Wants Your DNA—and It's up To No Good (https://archive.ph/jCkIk)
China is collecting the world’s DNA and the reason is sinister (https://archive.ph/2z25O#selection-1087.0-1087.63)
China is scooping up DNA data to target foreign spies — and you, the US government says (https://archive.ph/4JAEz)
Gravitas: Is China creating a Global DNA Database? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGvHp1pLPU&ab_channel=WION)
How US experts helped China build a DNA surveillance state (https://archive.ph/XSarH)
Building of the World's Largest DNA Database: The China Case (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346968181_Building_of_the_World's_Largest_DNA_Data base_The_China_Case)
China has done human testing to create biologically enhanced super soldiers (https://archive.ph/ZX030)

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Meanwhile, Beijing Genomics Institute, a major global player in the world of genomics research, reportedly set up labs in at least 18 other countries, and provided COVID testing kits to 180 nations, including the U.S. The U.S. officials stressed that their main concern was preventing the establishment of full-service labs (https://archive.ph/TyaU5#selection-1267.0-1271.289). The officials do not consider the testing kits to pose a serious risk. U.S. officials say the Chinese government is trying to collect Americans' DNA, and they believe a recent offer from a Chinese company for assistance in COVID-19 testing was suspicious.

Bill Evanina (https://archive.ph/2mvmL#selection-745.0-749.303) recently stepped down as the top counterintelligence official in the U.S., a veteran of both the FBI and CIA. He was so concerned by BGI's COVID testing proposals, and who would ultimately get the data, that he authorized a rare public warning: "Foreign powers can collect, store and exploit biometric information from covid tests." Evanina suspects these lab offers are modern-day Trojan horses. BGI comes to the U.S. bearing gifts, but harboring other motives. It's unclear whether BGI, or any COVID tester, would get DNA from nasal swabs, he says, but the labs are a way to establish a foothold (https://archive.ph/2mvmL#selection-765.0-765.359), to bring their equipment here, start mining your data, and set up shop in your neighborhood.

[VikLevaPatel]

We already know just how low the company Nebula Genomics can stoop. No, it is not squeaky clean, and it's certainly a sight for sore eyes to anyone familiar with the world of genetics. Clearly, there is something foul in the air. Speaking of which, FAIR warning to anyone repulsed by any of these things: Avert your eyes.

:voodoo::flynch::flynch::bleedingeyes::bleedingeye s::bleedingeyes::bleedingeyes::bleedingeyes::bleed ingeyes::

It's like, yeah, your life is just totally ripped out from under you. This interesting thread identifies and highlights my own personal intuitions, experiences, skills, feelings, and knowledge. And, at the same time, these views and experiences highlight how a single company can sink so low. How a company can sink so far, so fast, into "Banana Republic" territory, is, indeed, very troubling.

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The careful browser of genome sequencing stores and their prices might wonder: How low can they go?

One might rightly ask, as The New York Times (https://archive.ph/yjTyW) does, and it certainly remains to be seen, whether fewer genes translate into, or will translate into, fewer dollars. Genes, which are segments of DNA, are of interest to drug companies (https://archive.ph/yjTyW#selection-695.0-695.128) primarily because they are the recipes for making proteins. It was once thought that knowing the gene would be enough to know the protein. But in humans, more so than in simpler creatures, this is turning out not to be the case. Genes are made of pieces (https://archive.ph/yjTyW#selection-699.0-703.81) that can be spliced together in different combinations. So one gene can make more than one protein. Genomics alone, therefore, cannot answer everything drug companies need to know. "Genome sequencing is probably the worst way I know to find genes," (https://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/13/business/double-helix-with-a-twist-do-fewer-genes-translate-into-fewer-dollars.html#:~:text=%22Genome%20sequencing%20is%2 0probably%20the%20worst%20way%20I%20know%20to%20fi nd%20genes%2C%22%20he%20said.%20) says Dr. Haseltine of Human Genome Sciences. One can seriously question the long-term sustainable growth and economic viability (https://archive.ph/yjTyW#selection-671.2-671.106) of the whole industry. The 'end of the beginning' of the genomic era (https://archive.ph/yjTyW#selection-671.157-671.272) might thus be followed by the 'beginning of the end' very quickly.

As to the question "How low will Nebula Genomics stoop to make a buck?"

For me, the answer is clear. And the answer appears to be "Just wait and see".

Like this one right here. The offer or promo looks too good to be true.


DNA Day SALE: Deep (30x) Whole Genome Sequencing for $199!

So many fucking gimmicks and tricks and rewards! Who exactly are they trying to fool here? Seriously, have they no shame?

:Cash::smilie_auslachen::fuck_you::dancingpoop::fu ckyou::fuck::fuckyou::fuck::fuck_you:

Be careful of "Too Good to be True" offers.

Products that sound too good to be true, are. A typical Michelin star restaurant meal costs more than that. My finest bottle of rare vintage wine is worth so much more. (Now that's saying something).

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How can anyone take them seriously, now?


from: Nebula Genomics <info@nebula.org> via ksd2.klaviyomail.com

Hey Explorer,

Have you heard about DNA Day? It is a unique day when students, teachers, and the public can learn more about genetics and genomics. The day commemorates the completion of the Human Genome Project in 2003 and the discovery of DNA's double helix in 1953.

In advance of DNA Day, we offering a Deep (30x) Whole Genome Sequencing for just $199. This is our lowest price ever!

Whole Genome Sequencing is the only genetic test that decodes 100% of DNA. It will enable you to:

Learn about your ancestry and find new relatives
Receive new, personalized DNA reports every week
Decode ALL your ~20,000 genes to improve your health
Determine appropriate diet and supplementation
Find the right exercise plan to lose weight
Learn about the genetics of your mind, behavior, and personality
Get full access to your genomic big data
Use your genetic information to extend your life
Explore your oral microbiome

It is staggering how low some people are stooping to con or exploit consumers and are both finding new ways to exploit consumer confusion and trying to "exploit consumers' data" for "private profit".

And speaking of "going rates", I can't help but think of Brian De Palma's Scarface (https://archive.ph/Iigak). And this is the quote that I'm referencing: "The going rate on a boat is 1000 a night. You know that."

Money, money, money... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9FpPORr55c&ab_channel=EmpireStateStudios)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdFIgYXHQQ8&ab_channel=MartijnKools

The only company that I would ever even consider getting a whole-genome sequencing (WGS) test from is Mapmygenome.

They have been tried and tested and been proven to be worth your time and money. And it certainly helps to have been favorably reviewed in a recent review article. According to the Market Research Blog (https://archive.ph/XSEox#selection-273.0-273.57), they are to be considered as one of nine leading companies in Direct-to-Consumer Genetic Testing (https://mapmygenome.in/blog/whole-genome-sequencing-all-you-need-to-know). That's certainly good news, and I doubt I'm alone in welcoming news that the company is planning to ramp up its operations worldwide (https://archive.ph/XSEox#selection-395.294-395.406) and grow its marketing, sales, and leadership teams.

And here's a recent response from the team to questions by e-mail:


On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 3:02 PM Krishna Kumar Sepur <krishnakumar.s@mapmygenome.in> wrote:
Hi Sir,

We do whole genome sequence Test, from that we need to opt for a Raw data File . We can provide a download in (g)VCF format also, it would be approximate
data size of 45 GB.

Thanks & Regards
Krishna


SelfDecode has written a very helpful review on this subject that will provide helpful information and insight. Inevitably, they pose the questions: Is Whole Genome Sequencing Really Worth It? (https://archive.ph/dDhTt#selection-173.24-173.67) Is Whole Genome Sequencing Worth the Cost? (https://archive.ph/uCA8V#selection-165.21-165.63) Is a genome deep-dive worth it? (https://archive.ph/Gl84e#selection-173.24-173.55)

We know what the market price is for x30 whole genome tests, and it seems to be in the $1,000-plus range (https://archive.ph/FcukM#selection-1595.29-1607.10). The price certainly seems right here (https://mapmygenome.in/blog/whole-genome-sequencing-all-you-need-to-know).

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High price must mean high value (https://archive.ph/WvDxv), right? A study shows (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190906104111.htm) that marketers of relatively high-priced products should consider keeping prices high, as many consumers associate high price with high quality (https://archive.ph/IYsjJ). And indeed, for the most part, consumers do rely on the price tag to determine the actual quality of the good.

The important thing is to pose the questions. And after posing the questions and providing the explanations, they (SelfDecode) leave us with no choice but to avoid them (Nebula Genomics) like a plague! Like run for your life.

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Keep in mind that Nebula Genomics only analyzes a few SNPs per report (https://archive.ph/dDhTt#selection-417.0-417.71), and they really fall far short when it comes to analyzing, processing, visualizing and interpreting this data for the user (https://archive.ph/Gl84e#selection-735.8-735.257). They really fall into an abyss, and they can't get out. Interpretation is everything, and interpretation is key to making genetic data more meaningful. If you are unfamiliar with genomics, it is difficult to reach conclusions (https://archive.ph/Gl84e#selection-735.98-735.257) about how the information they give you about your genes will impact your daily life. Moreover, with a process known as imputation (https://archive.ph/Gl84e#selection-701.152-701.259), you can infer the variations of many more SNPs than is sequenced. This service imputes a RAW DNA data file from 700K SNPs to 30 million SNPs (https://dnagenics.com/products/imputation).

At this time, you are getting very little (https://archive.ph/uCA8V#selection-841.0-841.120) for the significant extra cost required to have whole genome sequencing done. Whole genome sequencing (https://archive.ph/dDhTt#selection-635.0-635.111) is not currently mainstream, which means you won’t get as many benefits from this data, although this data may come in handy further down the line as the technology progresses. (https://archive.ph/dDhTt#selection-643.0-643.144) And whilst the amount of data generated by whole genome sequencing is unmatched, the reference data to compare your own data to is lacking. There also isn't a lot of information to be gained from large parts of our DNA (https://archive.ph/dDhTt#selection-639.0-639.314) as the science simply isn’t that far ahead, although having this data for the future may be useful.

Whole genome sequencing means that the test examines almost every gene within the genome, which is roughly 25,000 genes and 4 to 5 million SNPs (https://archive.ph/uCA8V#selection-811.0-833.351) (which are the variations within each gene that have a meaningful impact on your health). Currently, only so many SNPs have been studied by scientists, so only a small portion of the results from a whole genome sequencing test can provide you with any meaningful information.

And, at the moment, it barely matters, especially as difference in information, between a standard SNP chip test, like one from 23andMe or SelfDecode, and a whole genome sequencing test, is negligible.

Are there other things that we should be worried about? Of course there are. This is the part (https://archive.ph/Gl84e#selection-791.0-809.49) people should be alarmed by.

Nebula Genomics has gone down a similar path as 23andMe has and has partnered up with the pharmaceutical giant Merck in order to sell their consumer’s data and monetize it. This link between pharma companies and genomics companies isn’t without controversy. Data sharing transparency has been a big conversation topic in the field, with big names in politics including Senator Chuck Schumer raising a red flag about data sharing practices.

That is one of the dangers we should be worried about. And everyone should be worried about that. That is the scary part. This, too, should give everyone the creeps. It sends shivers down my spine.


Nebula Genomics also share their entire library of genetic data with researchers in order to further the science of genomics. The data is all shared anonymously and only with your explicit permission. The company sends users’ cheek-swab samples to a BGI laboratory in Hong Kong, China.
https://archive.ph/Gl84e#selection-775.0-783.32

But the fact that they've sunk to this level at all should scare the shit out of everyone.

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[VikLevaPatel]

The Genoplot (https://genoplot.com/) platform is available in monthly and annual plans, with prices from $1.99 to $50, depending on features and on what you need and want, and with monthly and annual pricing at $4.99 and $50, respectively, for the pro version.

I now have two accounts there, and one is on a monthly subscription plan, and the other on an yearly subscription.

:Cash::Cash::Cash::Cash::Cash::Cash::Cash::Cash:

https://i.ibb.co/2hMDfCm/screencapture.png

As already pointed out elsewhere, you need this to add the final and finishing touches.

You need to go that extra mile when carrying out any research, including genetic and life-history research. After you have the basic basics, you will need to gradually add more, and just need to go that one step further.

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After all, when genetics is so intimately and inextricably connected to time, place, politics, and identity, this is a must have feature.

Things cost money. Everything costs money. Good things cost money.

And don't forget My True Ancestry (https://mytrueancestry.com/en), the premium site for discovering your ancient past!

Let's not forget that truth is one, but prophets, mystics, saints, and sages call it by various names.

No "journey of self", that is, and call it what you like, as it can also be called by several other possible terms, including "journey" of self-development, of self-discovery, of self-love, of self-acceptance, of self-education, of self-improvement, of self-care, of self-reflection, of self-awareness, of self-affirmation, of self-analysis, of self-exploration, of self-transformation, of self-revelation, of rebirth, of awakening, of identification, of correction, or of celebration, would be complete without a "deep dive" into the ancestral data. Basically the above words and expressions are pretty much interchangeable synonyms.

The outcome of this holy war is personal growth, personal happiness, and inner peace. And there certainly is a connection between personal inner peace and peace on Earth (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/beliefs-buddhism-exclusiv_b_577541#:~:text=He%20shows%20us%20the%20 connection%20between%20personal%2C%20inner%20peace %20and%20peace%20on%20Earth%22.%20).

This journey of salvation and painful self-knowledge, and of course of hate to self-love and love for all people, is certainly a long one, and there are no short cuts, but it will leave you feeling "renewed", liberated, "never better", deeply fulfilled, and absolutely magical. The journey will be hard, they will be very painful and exhausting, and they will also be challenging, scary, and raw, but the rewards will be worth it. It is full of immeasurable rewards of liberation and rapturous joy, the likes of which you've never felt before.

This is an understandable addiction, compulsion, and obsession -- in a time when race and ethnic issues are constantly up for discussion, we look more and more to GENETICS as a kind of barometer for civilization and for how much progress we're actually making. I do see it as a barometer for change. This sentence (https://archive.ph/aLttu#selection-1439.0-1439.69) cannot be validly described (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/08/christian-jessen-embarrassing-bodies-channel-4-interview#:~:text=We%20think%20we%20are%20higher%2 0beings%20in%20control%20but%20are%20slaves%20to%2 0genetics.%20) in any other way:

We think we are higher beings in control but are slaves to genetics.

I really could not have expressed any better myself the theme I am trying to capture. We're all slaves to it. We are all slaves in one way or another, to genetics.

There is no free lunch in biology and genetics.

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It's what I call "no money, no honey, no funny".

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[Ellethwyn]

This thread is scrambling my brain.

[Tongio]

This thread is scrambling my brain.

Vik fits perfectly the modern slang "cringe".
He is a harmless guy tho(except his colourful texts may cause epilepsy episodes in some).

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Vik fits perfectly the modern slang "cringe".
He is a harmless guy tho(except his colourful texts may cause epilepsy episodes in some).

It's so hard to read with the different colors, emoticons, and fonts. It breaks up the flow.

[VikLevaPatel]

The Genoplot (https://genoplot.com/) platform is available in monthly and annual plans, with prices from $1.99 to $50, depending on features and on what you need and want, and with monthly and annual pricing at $4.99 and $50, respectively, for the pro version. I now have two accounts there, and one is on a monthly subscription plan, and the other on an yearly subscription.

I guess I'll just have to stick with the yearly pro subscription at $50. I definitely recommend getting the yearly subscription plan, and getting the full-featured "Pro" version with it. That should be sufficient. Depending on need, I may get the monthly subscription, and then cancel.... and renew. Again and again.

Most of the admix calculators are not worth the time of day. Some are even dead. Like this one (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?203273-Post-your-MDLP-K11-Modern-(new-calc)&p=7535512&viewfull=1#post7535512), for instance.

:death::rip: The MEPHISTO K10 ADMIX. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?203273-Post-your-MDLP-K11-Modern-(new-calc)/page19) :death::rip:

Certainly the G25 calculators (https://ibb.co/8PFmjhy) on the NMONTE RUNNER (https://i.ibb.co/j31nR8y/nmonte.png) tool are "worth every penny", and they can certainly add a final touch of authenticity.

As is pointed out on the DNAGenics (https://dnagenics.com/products/g25studio) website: Eurogenes Global 25 (G25) ancestry test (https://i.ibb.co/mCyJJNV/g25.png) has become the most accurate test that anyone can be found out in the noncommercial market.


As already pointed out elsewhere, you need this to add the final and finishing touches. You need to go that extra mile when carrying out any research, including genetic and life-history research. After you have the basic basics, you will need to gradually add more, and just need to go that one step further. After all, when genetics is so intimately and inextricably connected to time, place, politics, and identity, this is a must have feature.

Things cost money. Everything costs money. Good things cost money.

And don't forget My True Ancestry (https://mytrueancestry.com/en), the premium site for discovering your ancient past! Let's not forget that truth is one, but prophets, mystics, saints, and sages call it by various names.

No "journey of self", that is, and call it what you like, as it can also be called by several other possible terms, including "journey" of self-development, of self-discovery, of self-love, of self-acceptance, of self-education, of self-improvement, of self-care, of self-reflection, of self-awareness, of self-affirmation, of self-analysis, of self-exploration, of self-transformation, of self-revelation, of rebirth, of awakening, of identification, of correction, or of celebration, would be complete without a "deep dive" into the ancestral data. Basically the above words and expressions are pretty much interchangeable synonyms.

There is no free lunch in biology and genetics.

:hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler::icon_skull::help: :dev2:shrug::dunno::hitler::hitler::hitler::hitler :

The MTA (My True Ancestry) website is a great help and a great resource. No doubt this ancestry website will help end this long journey full of difficult self-realizations and punishing emotional, spiritual, or personal growth. Genealogy is ultimately about connection, and all genealogical roads lead here. This fact cannot be overemphasized. Let me repeat:

All genealogy roads eventually lead to MyTrueAncestry.com.

And to get the full benefit of MTA's services, you have to have the full package. And that is the Enlightenment level (https://i.ibb.co/Vj29HjD/mta.png) (no other will do).

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And based on what I can see from the website, there is some definite truth to what is being said here, especially about the mutual inclusivity of castes and genetics. See here, for example.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?357470-The-Coming-Collapse-of-China-and-India&p=7528434&viewfull=1#post7528434

This is especially relevant in the comparison between Gujarati or Uttar Pradesh (UP) Brahmin groups and Chamar or Dalit groups.

[VikLevaPatel]

For now, the jury's still out on these Genoplot admixes and runners. :joker000::2headsalt::shrug::icon_eek::spy:

And, it now seems, that every time I'll be going in there, I'll be repeating my daily, if not hourly, mantra: "You can't make this shit up".

It certainly looks like your finishing touches can easily turn into shitty touches "all over", and with even shittier genetic models.

:dancingpoop::fuck_you::dancingpoop::fuck:

If there is one thing which cannot be emphasized enough about these applications or data sources, it is that if it's not done right, it can easily turn into a nightmare.

:dancingpoop::bullshit::meditate::meditate:

This may show that you just need to use only those admixes and calculators that are specific to your situation and to your genetic composition. These runners and admixes are specific to specific ancestries and specific ethnic groups. Like this one, for instance.

https://i.ibb.co/GcqH0kG/screencapture-genoplot-g25-2022-08-05-12-58-52.png, https://i.ibb.co/SKwHf4r/guj2.png, https://i.ibb.co/Wpy9wVH/guj3.png, https://i.ibb.co/cTNHLqV/guj4.png, https://i.ibb.co/4VJfyCp/guj5.png

PCA plot: https://i.ibb.co/fDp1kx2/plot.png

Genetic distance: https://i.ibb.co/StWh6PK/plot2.png, https://i.ibb.co/7k2jtC8/plot3.png, https://i.ibb.co/x2PQ4B6/plot4.png



All Gujarati samples
Gujarati_Patidar 1.99
Bengali_&_Northeast_Indian 6.81
Northern_Indian_&_Pakistani 8.03
Central_Asian 21.61
Iranian_Caucasian_&_Mesopotamian 24.92
Anatolian 25.83
Ashkenazi_Jewish 31.68
Levantine 31.72
Cypriot 32.81
Greek_&_Balkan 33
Finnish 33.04
Italian 33.07
Macedonian 33.17
Eastern_European 33.36
Egyptian 33.62
French_&_German 33.88
Scandinavian 33.95
British_&_Irish 34.12
Spanish_&_Portuguese 34.39
North_African 35.25
Peninsular_Arab 36.04
Filipino_&_Austronesian 38.63
Manchurian_&_Mongolian 39.55
Ethiopian_&_Eritrean 42.79
Indonesian_Khmer_Thai_&_Myanma 43.98
Siberian 45.67
Vietnamese 48.14
Somali 48.27
Chinese_Dai 48.72
Japanese 48.85
Chinese 49.34
Korean 49.86
Native_American 55.63
Sudanese 69.31
Southern_East_African 70.75
Broadly_Melanesian 72.05
Ghanaian_Liberian_&_Sierra_Leonean 72.9
Angolan_&_Congolese 73.12
Nigerian 73.67
African_Hunter-Gatherer 82.8


Now, getting back to the main issue. As an example, I'll use the Scheduled Castes, aka the Dalits (the former Untouchables), and the Scheduled Tribes. I only needed to see a little bit of it to see what we're up against. Someone has certainly been hard at work lately.

Here I take Kol Tribes as example. And use the "North African" calculator.

According to Encyclopedia.com (https://archive.ph/WcJrX), the Kol belong to the Proto-Australoid ethnic stratum, and the Santal, Munda, Ho, Bhumij, Kharia, Khairwar, and Korwa are akin to the Kol.

The term "Kol" is also used as a synonym for the savage and the lowly (https://archive.ph/T5ipC#selection-2327.84-2327.118).

The Kol Tribe of Central India: https://archive.ph/hVi2p

This, they'll have you believe, but instead, it will have you rolling on the floor laughing your ass off. :lmao:roll::rotfl::1127:

Iran: 61
Steppe: 31
Ibero: 11

Someone is certainly ratcheting up the propaganda offensive.

And, if that wasn't enough, they even score a high number (22%) for the Yamnaya component here:

https://i.ibb.co/NrChYRb/yamnaya.png

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Oy vey doesn't even begin to cover it.

:flynch::suicide::icon_no::flynch::suicide::hitler :

The very useful ejaculation "facepalm" applies here!

https://i.ibb.co/hZRqHDj/kol.png, https://i.ibb.co/tYzsfxJ/screencapture-genoplot-g25-2022-08-05-09-30-52.png


sample: Iran_Neolithic
distance: 25.32

sample: Caucasian
distance: 29.83

sample: Steppe_Pastoralist
distance: 30.58

sample: Arabian
distance: 36.77

sample: Anatolia_Neolithic
distance: 41.56

sample: Iberomaurisian
distance: 49.68

sample: Subsaharan
distance: 73.57

Impressive, but the jury's still out. And when you step back and really look at this, you just have to scratch your head, and think, "like you can't make this shit up, it's so crazy".

How do you even know what the truth is?

We can now claim that these are unrealistic data sets that have a bizarrely skewed bias.

Let's try something else:

Let's use the KURDISH IRAN-NEOLITHIC K6 ADMIX CALCULATOR.

And see if it makes any difference.

Kol: https://i.ibb.co/9YLbcfW/kurdish.png, https://i.ibb.co/R4KbPjd/kolkurd.png

It does not seem to be much better or much good either. :picard2:

Now, here is comparing the Kol with Gujarati samples.

https://i.ibb.co/vvXp6Rh/guj.png, https://i.ibb.co/2hb6b6z/gujarati.png

The Chamars might even be a better example.

https://i.ibb.co/30nVVkY/screencapture-genoplot-admix-2022-08-05-13-50-32.png, https://i.ibb.co/6yPTkZT/cham.png

Iran: 64
Steppe: 26
Ibero: 15


Iran_Neolithic 30.15
Caucasian 35.08
Steppe_Pastoralist 35.68
Arabian 40.5
Anatolia_Neolithic 45.52
Iberomaurisian 51.2
Subsaharan 74.18

https://i.ibb.co/0sc1Tvs/iran.png, https://i.ibb.co/Zg0WZFC/chamar.png, https://i.ibb.co/gmBmSY9/ch.png

It also seems to make little difference. :picard2:

Different caste, but same shit, for lack of a better expression.

:dancingpoop::dancingpoop::bullshit::asshat:

They would have you believe that the average Onga Bonga is high in the steppe component: about 27%. :puke :flynch::thumb down:disapproving:shrug::dancingpoop:

Blah, blah, blah. :picard1::comp26::stop00010:

https://i.ibb.co/5XD0s5Q/onga.png, https://i.ibb.co/W3S3wks/pca.png, https://ibb.co/5LhkgJc, https://i.ibb.co/SXdMZtv/pira.png

Or so they'd have us believe.

:dancingpoop:::dancingpoop::dancingpoop:

That's a little nauseating to think about, isn't it?

In fact, it doesn't seem to have made any difference, or made a real difference, in this case, like many others.

Mostly, though, that seems to have made fuck all difference.

I'd avoid this one if I were you. Meaning, the Genoplot ADMIX CALCULATORS. :stop00010::stop:smilie_stop::machine gun::flynch::suicide:

It's ACTUALLY FUCKING disgusting. :bullet puke:puke::fuckyou::fuck:

But let's compare the three, namely, Koli, Chamar, and Gujarati, to see how they stack up on the PCA plot.

Koli vs Chamar: https://i.ibb.co/QbJWc30/kolcha.png
Gujarati vs Chamar: https://i.ibb.co/7rC65cW/gujcha.png
Gujarati vs Koli: https://i.ibb.co/prRvS2P/gujkol.png

The execution looks to be a little better here:

Koli vs Chamar vs Gujarati: https://i.ibb.co/1nnjvd5/kolchamguj.png

Certainly the Chamars can be more distant from the Gujaratis than the Kol:

https://i.ibb.co/MBHXXfq/chamars.png

More comparisons are needed, of course. But these can make for skewed comparisons.

And my broader point stands: "the no free lunch principle" is clear and convincing.

It's an old adage, and apparently it is also the Confucian adage (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/nyregion/30morgy.html#:~:text=At%20one%20point%20he%20said% 20that%20an%20investor%20in%20the%20scheme%20appar ently%20was%20not%20familiar%20with%20the%20Confuc ian%20adage%20%22No%20free%20lunch%22.%20). You can't get past that.

It's what I call "no money, no honey, no funny." :bouncing-boobs:naked::pervert::sex::Cash:


But no matter what, the app's gonna cost you.

Pricing is almost always dependent on product and market, and I am sure that is the case here.

Looks to me like the price range on the GenePlaza website definitely depends on the stock and on the quality of the stock.

Here are their prices and the ranges. And the price range is fairly wide.

Intelligence App €6
Ancestry €6.20
Ethnicity Calculator €7.19
K29 Admixture Calculator €7.70
The K35 calculator €8.70
K5 Admixture €9
K30 €10
SAPDA €13.65
Bronze Age DNA Test - Beginner €20
Bronze Age DNA Test - Advance €38

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342599-How-Viking-Are-You-Genomelink&p=7536330&viewfull=1#post7536330

[VikLevaPatel]

I'm not sure what difference this WGS test will make, but I've really put my money where my mouth is, and did go ahead and purchase it, from none other than Mapmygenome (https://mapmygenome.in/whole-genome-sequencing/), for a total purchase price of around 1,300 USD. I've been through some real crazy deep shit, and I may even look like I've been through the shit and back. And the fact is that the people who have been through shit are far more aware. And yes, it's the going rate. I'm not settling for anything less or for anything else. Just how perceptible the difference will be is hard to say. But I'm certainly hopeful. Personally I would say it will make no "substantial" difference. But maybe someday and somewhere down the line, yes, and it may turn out to be a very big blessing instead of a disaster or a bane. You really can't go wrong with it.

See the receipt: 115309 https://i.ibb.co/xSk1zLq/wgs.png

And it all went smoothly, from start to finish. Absolutely no nonsense.

Even to the extent they're now coming to me asking me to advise on how to get it through. :hail::clap:


On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 7:20 PM Krishna Kumar Sepur <krishnakumar.s@mapmygenome.in> wrote:
Dear Sir,

Greetings from Mapmygenome. A customer is facing an issue in sending a sample from Abu dhabi . I would like to know what you have written and mentioned on the package so that the package reached us safely.

Thanks & Regards
Krishna

I wouldn't consider going anywhere else for the whole genome sequencing testing, and as my own bitter experience has shown, we can practically give up on the idea of going anywhere else. As for the ancestry tests, I strongly agree with the sentiments expressed in Moss Stern's review of the company (https://archive.ph/BollK). Uselessness is certainly in the eye of the beholder, as the experience of this Jewish person clearly shows.


And the company’s ancestry test is pretty useless, at least for people with my ethnic background. The results are inaccurate and the ethnic heritage descriptions seem very basic. But if you’re of Indian background, you might actually find it more accurate than your other ancestry test options!
https://archive.ph/BollK#selection-3399.0-3409.48

In my case it was just the opposite and was useful. Not to mention you can use the raw data on data upload sites such as MyTrueAncestry, (https://mytrueancestry.com/en?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=WW-EN-B-S%5BTM_01%5D%3A%20MyTrueAncestry&gclid=CjwKCAjw9suYBhBIEiwA7iMhNOTVmEp-v4eaSCYQjWw96Y6hZBBufNLlUpYTtonc3-SgaOqoF3TdoRoCqucQAvD_BwE) GenePlaza, (https://www.geneplaza.com/) and ILLUSTRATIVE DNA (https://illustrativedna.com/). They are "highly recommended" (by me). But Mr. Stern's experience has proved instructive, offering a lesson that holds true. But it also goes without saying that you should not be "made an example of". :no::stop00010:

[VikLevaPatel]

I'm not sure what difference this WGS test will make

At the risk of sounding smug and over-confident, I'm not sure it'll make any difference to anything other than our credit card balances. :shrug::noidea: And I'm not just talking about this WGS test only. It almost seems like Hillary Clinton's speaking for me. And I also ask myself the same question, but in a different context and with a different objective: "What difference will it make?" Context, of course, is king and is everything. And it almost goes without saying, but needs to be said: the same question can sound much different and can have significantly different effects in different contexts. I guess I'll have to wait and see whether these tests from Genetrack (https://archive.ph/Ej8w5) do indeed make a difference. :shrug::noidea:

Standard Paternal Ancestry Package (Y-DNA 20 STR Marker Test), $154 :Cash:
Advanced Paternal Ancestry Package (Y-DNA 44 STR Marker Test), $258 :Cash:
Advanced Paternal Ancestry Package (Y-DNA 67 STR Marker Test), $349 :Cash:
Premium Combo Ancestry Package (Y-DNA 101 STR Marker + mtDNA HVR1 + HVR2 + Coding Region Test), $2310 (highest resolution test for tracing your own ancestry on your paternal and maternal line) :Cash:

I bought all of them, yeah totally. My maternal ancestry report was more than satisfactory; it was excellent. But Y-DNA or paternal ancestry tests are "a different kettle of fish" entirely. See these older posts on the subject. And it is crucial to note the difference between the two types of testing, namely, SNPs (or a combination of SNPs and STRs) and STRs.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?358151-Y-SNP-SUPPLEMENT-TO%97NOT-A-REPLACEMENT-FOR%97Y-STR&p=7544573&viewfull=1#post7544573

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?228569-Where-did-haplogroup-E1b1b-in-Europeans-come-from&p=7541838#post7541838


STR markers mutate rapidly, at a rate of once every 20 generations. Fast mutating STR markers can be used to trace recent ancestry, within the past hundreds of years. SNP markers mutate very slowly, once every few thousand years. Slow mutating SNP markers can only trace deep ancestry from thousands of years ago, and do not provide any information on recent ancestral events.

[VikLevaPatel]

Choose not to just use genotyped data but also imputed data, and be sure to have your missing data imputed by either Sano Genetics (https://sanogenetics.com/) or DNAGenics (https://dnagenics.com/products/imputation), or both. "We use a process called imputation to predict missing content in your genotype data to 'upgrade' it for free," Sano states on their website. Genotyping arrays, as Sano Genetics notes, only test a small number of sites (on average about a few letters in every thousand) and they miss out a lot of information because they only focus on the areas where humans tend to be different from one another. SelfDecode says, in a different context but thinking along similar lines, that, at last count, there were over 300 million known genetic variants from sequenced human genomes, but that, nevertheless, most DNA tests can only read between 500k to 900k variants, which means you could be missing out on important information about your health. The human genome has about 6.2 billion letters of DNA, and whole genome sequencing (WGS) can be used to sequence nearly all 6.2 billion bases, whereas in contrast, genotyping arrays only test a small number of sites, between 500,000 up to 2 million for most arrays, or 0.2% of the genome, but this is the kind of technology used by nearly all major direct-to-consumer genetic testing companies (https://archive.ph/6q0Tp#selection-1029.394-1029.543), including 23andMe, AncestryDNA, and MyHeritage. But more to the point.

And what, indeed, is genetic imputation? What could it be? And what do we use imputation for? An "imputation," says Janus Christian Jakobsen (https://bmcmedresmethodol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12874-017-0442-1), generally represents one set of plausible values for missing data – multiple imputation represents multiple sets of plausible values. And is it valid to ignore missing data? As a rule of thumb, definitely not. Complete case analysis may be used as the primary analysis if the proportions of missing data are below approximately 5%. Imputation service, according to DNAGenics (https://archive.ph/bVIZq), increases the number of SNPs using a statistical approach prone to miscall from 1% to 5% of the genotypes. They therefore recommend not to use it for health predictions. Moreover, if you upload your imputed results to a website that offers health predictions, consider that there could be some false-positives or false-negatives. As Sano Genetics, too, cautions, genotyping tests and imputation can have a high error rate for rare genetic variants, and caution should therefore be taken when interpreting rare genetic variants from this kind of test. Imputation, on the other hand, is more reliable for detecting common variation, but the accuracy for rare variation improves as the size of the pool of whole genome sequenced individuals increases.

The imputation is performed (https://archive.ph/bVIZq#selection-305.0-305.98) by DNA GENICS using BEAGLE 5.2, BCFTOOLS and the 1000Genomes human reference panel. In a similar manner, the imputation process at Sano (https://archive.ph/6q0Tp#selection-1053.0-1053.229) accepts files from 23andMe, AncestryDNA, MyHeritage, or other providers (usually between ½ million to 1 million SNPs) and applies an algorithm called 'EAGLE2' which adds an additional 30 million SNPs. The imputation algorithms, explains Sano (https://archive.ph/6q0Tp#selection-1087.0-1087.248), compare the SNPs in the genotype file to the large set of whole genome sequenced individuals and searches for matching segments. These segments are called 'haplotypes' and can be used to 'fill in the blanks' between SNPs. And while a statistical technique called imputation can be used to 'fill in the blanks' for the letters in between, imputation is unreliable for rare genetic variants, and it will therefore not transform a genotyping test into a whole genome sequence. Nevertheless, it is still a valuable tool, and I fully expect that genotyping chips will continue to be used for years to come. Or, as Sano suggests, you can take the middle ground and try out the exome sequencing (https://archive.ph/6q0Tp#selection-1173.270-1173.486). And certainly it always pays to know your genes to the fullest. However, genotyping (also called DNA typing, DNA profiling, genetic fingerprinting, DNA fingerprinting, or identity testing) and imputation, it should be remembered, is not a full replacement for whole genome sequencing. Pan-genomes, Barh, ‎Soares, ‎and Tiwari (2020) note in their book "Pan-genomics: Applications, Challenges, and Future Prospects (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Pan_genomics_Applications_Challenges_and/tE_VDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=representation+of+reference+panels&pg=PA67&printsec=frontcover)," are constructed from various many available resources such as the reference sequence and its variants, raw reads and haplotype reference panels. The data structure of a pan-genome is represented by a coordinate system with explicit information on all genetic variants. However, there are also limitations which should be noted. And "the jury is still out", as it were, on many of these matters, and will probably remain so until we see greater adoption if all of whole genome sequencing and see better representation of specific population subgroups. Still, many questions remain to be answered (and asked). And thorny issues still need to be addressed. So what this really comes down to is this. It all boils down to specificity. It all comes down to the specificity of the data and the methods used. By way of example, the following quote, from Sano Genetics, illustrates the current promise (or power or potential), present limitations, and future prospects of genetic testing:

Imputation does not perform as well for people from ethnicities that are underrepresented in the pool of whole genome sequences (often called reference panels). While projects like the 1,000 Genomes Project have made efforts to sample a wide range of different world populations, the vast majority of research projects are done on people of European ancestry. Population-specific reference panels, as well as population-specific genotype arrays are needed to improve imputation quality and prevent bias.

[VikLevaPatel]

Is this some kind of a joke? The situation or the whole thing is eerily similar to my experience with Living DNA (and others, of course). Are we seeing a pattern here? And are they using the same language to frame their flimsy arguments and excuses?

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https://i.ibb.co/Z880FRy/tellmegen.png

:flynch::bleedingeyes::comp26::1004::noidea::shrug ::confused3::runs:


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Info Tellmegen <info@tellmegen.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 00:56
Subject: tellmeGen DNA test results

Dear Vik,

We regret to inform you that the results obtained from your DNA sample did not reach the quality standard to give accurate results. This is usually due to an incorrect saliva collection or problems obtaining it (dryness, infections, use of medications or various pathologies).

When results are not obtained, we offer a free test repetition that includes the sample collection kit, the DNA extraction and its subsequent analysis in the Illumina® genotyping array.

If you agree to repeat the sample collection, please tell us your address and phone number, and we will send you another kit for taking a new sample. In case you decide to a refund, we offer it discounting 50€ for handling and shipping costs. Please tell us your order reference to proceed with it.

We are looking forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards,

tellmeGen team

Yeah, right! What a pathetic bunch of hogwash. Seriously, these excuses are just too much for me to take seriously. They already have my contact details. But, as the Guardian notes (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/dec/06/jacques-audiard-interview-a-prophet#:~:text=So%20if%20they're%20trying%20to%20 fuck%20you%20one%20way%2C%20you%20have%20to%20find %20a%20way%20to%20fuck%20them%20back.%20), if they're trying to fuck you one way, you have to find a way to fuck them back.

:fuckyou::fuck_you::fuckyou::fuck_you::fuckyou::fu ck_you::fuckyou::fuck_you:

A full chargeback for the amount paid (almost 250 US dollars) had been initiated, and I most certainly could be dealing with a "fraud of the first magnitude". My card issuer, in fact, credited my account with the full amount in a matter of minutes. So fuck you. :fuck_you::fuck_you::fuck_you: Guess I'll add them to the very short list of companies not to buy kits from — but to avoid like the plague. tellmeGen is certainly "not on our approved list" of companies that are recommended on the basis of varying merits. But just to clarify: I am talking about genetic kits, and not their apps, which are fine on their own.

[Kriptc06]

yes

[VikLevaPatel]

We can now say that the good thing about the Mormon-owned AncestryDNA is that it gets updated. Thankfully, it does seem clear that they are being constantly updated as the results and references come in. And that's what they've done: They have updated my previous results with new data and references. But will others follow suit? Surely in this respect AncestryDNA is unique; we can only hope that before long other genetic testing companies may follow suit. I really hope so anyway. And if I recall correctly, it was previously around 90% Northern Indian and around 10% South Indian. They compare your DNA against a worldwide reference panel to see which populations your DNA looks most like, but are quick to note that my ethnicity estimate is 100%, but it can range from 92—100%. Here's what their message said in full:

Update: One of your ethnicity regions changed to 100%

Our latest ethnicity update is ready!

Since our previous ethnicity update, we’ve been hard at work improving our DNA science. See how our latest update has affected your AncestryDNA® results.

How can your DNA results change?

While your DNA itself doesn’t change, we’re constantly improving the technology and methods behind your results.

How else will this update affect your ethnicity estimate?

As we continue to gather data and improve the science behind our ethnicity estimates we’re able to give more precise results to users, especially those with long family histories in certain regions.

AncestryDNA® now provides even greater precision.

We're proud to announce our latest ethnicity estimate update, with new regions in Asia, Africa, and Oceania. Plus, our vast collection of family trees helps us improve results for people with long family histories in specific regions across the globe, resulting in our most precise ethnicity estimates yet.

Here are a couple of screenshots: https://i.ibb.co/Kr6wpYp/screencapture-ancestry-au-dna-ori.png, https://i.ibb.co/S7BzW1Q/screencapture.png

AncestryDNA Regions List

AncestryDNA tests for all 1,800+ regions listed below. You are linked only to the regions that appear in your estimate. Regions included in your estimate appear in color.

Africa (114 Regions)
America (136 Regions)
Asia (68 Regions)
Europe (1501 Regions)
Oceania (8 Regions)
West Asia (36 Regions)

How do we come up with your estimate?

To figure out your ethnicity regions, we compare your DNA to a reference panel made up of DNA from groups of people who have deep roots in one region. We look at 1,001 sections of your DNA and assign each section to the ethnicity region it looks most like. Then we turn those results into the percentages you see in your estimate. Your genetic link to these ethnicities can go back hundreds of years or even more. The map shows you how common an ethnicity is among people with a long family history in one place. We look at their DNA test results, then plot the average amounts of that ethnicity on a map.

Your DNA doesn't change, but our science does.

Don’t worry, your DNA doesn’t change. What changes is what we know about DNA, the amount of data we have, and the ways we can analyze it. When that leads to new discoveries, we update your results.

How do we determine this ethnicity?

We estimate your ethnicity by comparing your DNA to DNA samples from groups of people whose families have lived for a long time in one place. For the Northern India ethnicity region, we’ve collected samples from people whose families have lived in this area for generations. We use their samples to create a unique “genetic fingerprint” for this ethnicity region that we compare your DNA sample to.

What does the map show?

Average Percentage of This Ethnicity Among Locals

The map shows you how common an ethnicity is among people with a long family history in one place. We look at their DNA test results, then plot the average amounts of that ethnicity on a map.

What can the map tell you?

Along with showing ethnicity averages, the map can give you a rough idea of where your ancestors might have lived. However, that area may be even larger if your percentage is low or they came from many different places.

About this Region

From the peaks of the Himalayas to the crowded streets of Mumbai, our Northern India population region spans much of the Indian subcontinent. This region was the site of the Indus Valley Civilization that began over 3,000 years ago, followed by a number of other empires and migrations that contributed to India’s modern-day mix of cultures. Although Hindus form the religious majority, this region is also home to Muslims, Sikhs, Parsis, and Jains and is known for a host of cultural contributions, from ancient Sanskrit classics to Bollywood films.

COMMUNITY

Punjab and Western India (see screenshot here (https://i.ibb.co/J5rN7Qz/guj.png)).


You, and all the members of this community, are linked through shared ancestors. You probably have family who lived in this area for years—and maybe still do.

The more specific places within this region where your family was likely from.

Eastern Gujarat & Western Maharashatra

Community History

The people of Punjab (split between present-day India and Pakistan) and Western India include a diversity of faiths, languages, and cultural practices. The region was linked by trade routes to Europe since the time of Alexander the Great and to the Middle East and East Africa for almost as long. And since the beginning of the second millennium, migrants from Central Asia and the Persian Empire brought new ideas and traditions to the region—perhaps most importantly, the strains of Islam that influenced the region’s arts, architecture, faith, and language.

1850–1875

A Region in Flux

Punjabis and others living in Western India did not join in the rebellion against British rule between 1857 and 1858 but were affected by its consequences. British colonizers redesigned cities in the name of “security,” living in new, airy neighborhoods. By contrast, Indians lived in cramped quarters in dense neighborhoods, only able to take advantage of open spaces and parks during the daytime. Farmers and peasants felt an even greater impact. They raised crops like wheat, sugarcane, and cotton, but they grew frustrated by the high taxes they paid to the British, who wanted to make colonial rule profitable.

Last but not least, it is important to note that inheritance is random, and ethnicities may be passed down unevenly, or not at all.

Here's a screenshot of the comparison: https://i.ibb.co/kx8rwH7/ethnicityestimate.png

My memory is as good as it has ever been, and this previous estimate was calculated in April 2022.

Previous Estimate
Northern India 90%
Southern India 10%

https://i.ibb.co/gywjMgv/previous.png

This estimate includes:
68,000+ reference samples
1,800+ possible regions

My memory had not lied. And I was right about that. AncestryDNA says that my range of 92—100% comes from making multiple comparisons of my DNA to their reference panel. It includes other possible, but less likely, percentages. On average, people native to this area on the map have 50-75% Northern Indian ethnicity. Whereas, in contrast, people native to the South Indian area have on average 25-50% Northern Indian ethnicity. In this respect, it is worth quoting at length (https://archive.ph/ivhP3#selection-1211.0-1223.633) from the Mapmygenome site (https://archive.ph/ivhP3), especially for the frankly jaw slackening quote from product manager Sreeraj Rajeev, here:

My ancestry test findings were indeed a revelation. The first part of the ancestry report showed that I had 95.3% genetic significance from South Asia and out of it 71.1% being Indian and specifically from South India almost about 71.1% of it. Being from Kerala, it showed that my genes had 71% chances that my ancestors might have been or are from the south of the Indian subcontinent, as they evidently are currently since I last checked. I guess I had anticipated it to be furthermore than that but it's a fair percentage to accord. The thing that had me baffled in the report even though there weren't any significant genetic associability to the Portuguese or Arab travellers as I had reckoned (but more than what I would have expected it to be) was that I had precisely 24.2% significance with the Pakistani population (Indo-European descent). There was further evidence that I had genetic significance to ethnic subgroups like ‘Pathan’ with about 17.4% and ‘Sindhi’ being 6.8%. This was certainly a surprise for me and my folks as we would only imagine anything as such to have happened earlier in history before our knowledge of ancestral existence. ‘The world has more in common with us than we think’ was my train of thought at that moment. Also my DNA had a 3.9% genetic significance to the East Asian populace, well that explains why sometimes my friends used to say that I looked like a ‘nepali’ in my childhood, obviously since my eyes had a slight resemblance to the hooded monolids of the East Asians. This was certainly not a surprise to know that I had a significant percentage of genetic similarity to the East Asians. As contemporary East Asians are broadly descended from human beings who left Africa about 50,000 – 100,000 years ago.

It shouldn't really come as a surprise considering the fact that there has been extensive gene flow in both or all directions in time and that on average people native to that area have 25-50% Northern India ethnicity, as noted by AncestryDNA. And probably rightly. What is interesting, though, is how the nondominant, inconsistent, 'recessive' or subordinate alleles are present and do not 'fail' to show up as phenotype, but rather 'succeed' in showing up. Unsurprisingly and obviously, dominant alleles do not express their influence consistently and ubiquitously. In short, it is the opposite of what might be expected. And that is the exact opposite of this (to borrow from Tara Rodden Robinson's Genetics For Dummies (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Genetics_For_Dummies/We7Kx-bBCWkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=show+up+in+phenotype&pg=PA53&printsec=frontcover)):

When dominant alleles are present but fail to show up as phenotype, the condition is termed incompletely penetrant. Penetrance is defined as the probability that an individual having a dominant allele will show the associated phenotype.

[VikLevaPatel]

I was actually waiting and hoping for this to go through. And in fact, it did go through today.

The sample was processed at the Eurofins lab in Germany.

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ADNTRO - Enter to view your results

00:08 (12 hours ago)

Hi,
Your sample is ready!

You can now enter ADNTRO and explore your genetic code like never before, and with our periodic updates you will have access to the most innovative studies.

Enjoy this unique journey
Thank you for trusting ADNTRO

I was going to order the whole sequence from the onset, but considering what my experience with these third-party upload sites, and with this issue of a pre-meditated lie and this institutionalization of excuses, really was, I think it was right to order the €149 premium kit first.

Now I can go ahead and proceed with the whole sequence order, priced at 950 Euros. As ADNTRO points out, genotyping techniques analyze approximately 700,000 positions in our DNA, whereas, in comparison, whole genome sequencing (WGS) analyzes all of your DNA, that is, the three billion base pairs, and therefore allows the detection of rare variants in the population.

:Cash::Cash::Cash::Cash::Cash:


WHOLE GENOME (30X)
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https://adntro.com/en/whole-genome-sequencing-analysis-prevention/

They thankfully provide full access to raw data to download, and you can of course do with it as you please. Before downloading the data, however, we should all be aware of the risks, benefits, consequences, and uncertainties. These are important warnings and reminders to consider, as ADNTRO points out to wit:

If you decide to download your raw genetic data from ADNTRO, take caution in uploading your data to any third party applications or any service.

1. Raw data should not be used for medical purposes and we do not recommend the use of third party services that claim to interpret raw data to provide health information.

2. Your raw data could include sensitive information. By downloading your raw data, you could discover sensitive health information about yourself or family members with whom you share DNA.

3. Once you download your raw data, we cannot ensure it will be kept secure. We secure your data on ADNTRO servers using advanced encryption and stored in the EU. Once you download your data, we cannot guarantee the security of that downloaded data file.

[VikLevaPatel]

"Whatever the market decides, that's the price we get," as the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/business/global/12food.html#:~:text=%22Whatever%20the%20market%20d ecides%2C%20that's%20the%20price%20we%20get%2C%22% 20he%20said.%20) notes. And as TechCrunch rightly points out (https://techcrunch.com/2010/07/31/the-coupon-network-tried-and-true-lessons-for-hottest-business-model/#:~:text=Because%20high%20price%20points%20equal%2 0higher%20quality%20in%20the%20minds%20of%20consum ers%2C%20premium%20brands%20need%20to%20be%20more% 20delicate%20with%20their%20discounting%2C%20using %20promotions%20that%20are%20more%20targeted%20to% 20an%20elite%20niche%20market.%20), high price points equal higher quality in the minds of consumers. This is what the market price is, and this is what the price should be.

ADNTRO GENETICS SL (https://adntro.com/en)
WHOLE GENOME SEQ. 30x
€950.00
Whole Genome Sequencing at 30x resolution, valid for clinical analysis. Your entire genome.

https://i.ibb.co/0ZxQgg4/screencapture-checkout-stripe-c-p.png

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[VikLevaPatel]

It looks like DNA Genics has a DNA test kit coming soon.

https://dnagenics.com/dnatesting, https://i.ibb.co/JkyX3f1/screencapture-dnage.png

Most importantly, what I know for sure is that the genetic "journey", in which you discover who you truly are, doesn't end with one test or with one company. Far from it. It's also a costly affair, and the science of genetic ancestry and genetic variation itself is a very vast field. A solid sustainability journey must also take everything into account and will need to take different variables into account to be accurate. And it should go without saying that it is extremely important to take into account as precisely as possible the number of explanatory variables and observations assimilated by the model or test. And this brings us back to DNA GENICS. So maybe it's just as well that all roads lead to Rome, except that they lead to other things as well, and the one I take leads to DNA GENICS as well.

For comparison, I will cite the following two results to prove my point. And they should be sufficient enough to get the point across. FTDNA seems to have missed the WHG component score entirely, and ILLUSTRATIVE DNA seems to have missed the BMAC part for me altogether. At least in my case. In the end, ancestry scores, and all of them, clearly do matter in racial identity development and in fact in all and every respect.

"FTDNAAUTOSOMAL" (IMPUTED)
Deep ancient BCE ancestry

Population filter
30.31% Indus Periphery (Iran)
21.47% Iran BA - Bronze Age (Iran)
17.60% Indus Periphery (Turkmenistan)
15.29% SPGT (Pakistan)
6.26% China LN - Late Neolithic (China)
4.36% BMAC (Uzbekistan)
2.51% Iron Gates HG - Hunter-Gatherers (Serbia)
2.19% China Neolithic - Neolithic (China)

https://i.ibb.co/R68SF6t/ftdna.png

"23ANDME" (IMPUTED)
Deep ancient BCE ancestry

Population filter
44.03% Indus Periphery (Iran)
23.16% SPGT (Pakistan)
17.67% Indus Periphery (Turkmenistan)
8.43% China LN - Late Neolithic (China)
3.51% Iron Gates HG - Hunter-Gatherers (Serbia)
3.19% China Neolithic - Neolithic (China)

https://i.ibb.co/XJRkm9L/23andm3.png

[VikLevaPatel]

If you've ever wondered just how and why Americans are so bad at geography, wonder no more. And a new YouTube video titled "My Ancestry DNA Results," (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXR9ql8goKY&t=290s&ab_channel=TheOctoberRedhead) proves it and shows us how. Now that lack of historical or geographical knowledge is on full display. The New Yorker cites (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/04/11/tooth-and-claw-john-lahr#:~:text=%22War%20is%20God's%20way%20of%20teac hing%20Americans%20geography%2C%22%20Ambrose%20Bie rce%20joked.%20) the American satirist Ambrose Bierce, who once jokingly said: "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography". And one article in the HuffPost (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mccain-the-miss-teen-sout_n_86963#:~:text=Upton%2C%20in%20case%20you%20 missed%20it%20during%20the%202007%20pageant%2C%20g ave%20what%20can%20only%20be%20described%20as%20a% 20train%20wreck%20of%20an%20answer%20to%20the%20qu estion%20of%20why%20Americans%20are%20so%20bad%20a t%20geography.%20) even said that "Upton, in case you missed it during the 2007 pageant, gave what can only be described as a train wreck of an answer to the question of why Americans are so bad at geography". Another, titled "26 Things Irish People Find Fascinating About America (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/26-things-irish-people-find-fascinating-about-america_b_9320646#:~:text=22.%20Thanksgiving%2C%20 fireworks%2C%20hatred%20for%20immigrants%20(wasn't %20America%20founded%20by%20immigrants%3F)%2C%20an d%20Americans'%20lack%20of%20geography%20knowledge .%20)," reads more like a conservative wishlist, or possibly even more like a fable. And coming in at number 22 on the list are Thanksgiving, fireworks, hatred for immigrants (wasn't America founded by immigrants?), and Americans' lack of geography knowledge. This American redhead girl is primarily Irish, Scottish, and English and of Northwestern European descent, but the Americans' lack of geography knowledge is on full display here, in this video. In other words, it might help to get a first-hand view of ignorance in action here. And, more importantly, what are they teaching the kids today in schools in America? And what are America's kids actually learning in school classrooms and college campuses? Something about this video just screams "out of touch", and in fact screams of ignorance and inadvertence. You literally want to scream at her at the top of your lungs about her ignorance of geography. Seriously, you couldn't make this up. The question is how bad? For one thing, she does not know where the Aegean is. Nor does she know where Sardinia is. Or worse, what it is. This is how bad it can get. And that's how bad it's gotten. Does she know where she is?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXR9ql8goKY&t=290s&ab_channel=TheOctoberRedhead

[VikLevaPatel]

I already have or carry a high level or a high degree (over 30 percent) of modern European ancestry, spanning back generations (generally back to a depth of five to seven generations) and traditions and geography, but it's definitely good to see that 23andMe is spending time updating its database, regardless of how small the difference might be. And now it's showing some Scandinavian ancestry as well. Of course, as the report says, there are many ways you may choose to identify with your Scandinavian ancestry. Moreover, it says that unlike your Ancestry Composition, identity isn't based on science.

https://i.ibb.co/0rJ5Bb0/ancestry.png, https://i.ibb.co/TL1cS6P/scandi.png

At this time, they are unable to find any of my relatives with Scandinavian ancestry.

Time to listen to some Abba music. :band

The report also points out the following….

Scandinavians – represented by the people of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Iceland – owe much of their linguistic and genetic heritage to North Germanic tribes who established settlements around the North Sea during the late Middle Ages. Many Scandinavians, like the Sámi people in the far north, are descendants of early Scandinavian hunter-gatherers. This ancestry reaches the highest levels in Norway and Sweden but is also commonly found in northern Germany and the Netherlands. In the United States, Scandinavian ancestry is most common in North Dakota.

:valknut:algiz:odinsleipnir::irminsul::valkyrie:

[VikLevaPatel]

Analysis Summary (NEW: Helmand and Kingdom of Cilicia - 130 Ancient Civilizations and Growing)

Keep them coming. Here's the new entry: Helmand.



Helmand (1.565)
Maurya (2.893)
Karkota (3.152)
Karkota + Maurya (9.017)
Helmand + Maurya (11.08)
Karkota + Helmand (14.06)

Your raw DNA is 30 % closer than other matching users

https://i.ibb.co/TPBV5Vc/helmand.png, https://i.ibb.co/ysTSRq4/ivc.png

116243

There is nothing better than seeing updates like this every single morning. After all, that is what they are paid to do. And, most importantly, to see matches with "desirable" locations and populations.

:yippee:thumbs:bounce::hitler::machine gun::yippee:thumbs:bounce::hitler::machine gun:

[VikLevaPatel]

I've received from Mapmygenome India these electronic raw genetic data that contain the whole genome, and this is what they should look like.

Type: gz
Last modified: November 16, 2022, 16:42:08 (UTC+11:00)
Size: 8.4 GB
Storage class: Standard

Type: tbi
Last modified: November 16, 2022, 16:41:34 (UTC+11:00)
Size: 5.3 MB
Storage class: Standard

Type: gz
Last modified: November 16, 2022, 16:38:18 (UTC+11:00)
Size: 264.5 MB
Storage class: Standard

The Whole Genome Sequencing's Raw Data is available in AWS S3, and will be available for the next 30 days.

https://i.ibb.co/fQqr453/screencapture-a-1.png

But as far as making a difference, I don't think it will, and it may not make a substantial difference, but it could really come in handy somewhere down the line. At this stage I have no idea, but I will definitely find out. Its size may be a factor or a problem, as most third-party upload sites do not allow for very large file transfers. And I think from what I know and what I have seen that MyTrueAncestry allows you to send a file up to 1 GB.

[GreatRace (Mahājāti)]

What is it, they say? A picture speaks louder than a thousand words. Indeed, one really thinks of the old apothegm. The old adage "a picture speaks a thousand words" has, as HuffPost (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/5-tips-to-channel-instagr_b_10624712#:~:text=The%20old%20adage%20%22 a%20picture%20speaks%20a%20thousand%20words%22%20h as%20always%20proved%20to%20be%20right.%20) rightly notes, always proved to be right. It has always proven to be correct. And it has once again proved to be right. We'll see how REAL it can get. And how? Well, this map (https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/?hg=Adam&clade=C) from the PhyloGeographer (https://phylogeographer.com/) shouts, instead of merely speaking. These pictures or images speak volumes about ancient human migration patterns, beginning with the haplogroup CT, which is also referred to as Eurasian Adam or Out of Africa Adam. For example, see this map from PhyloGeographer.com (https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/?hg=Adam&clade=CT) of the migratory path of, or of what became, the haplogroup CT or of what became known as the Eurasian Adam or Out of Africa Adam:

CT: EURASIAN ADAM OR OUT OF AFRICA ADAM (https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/?hg=Adam&clade=CT)

In that context, the tried and true axiom and paradigm and methodology once again proved helpful in carrying out the research for this study. What took me by surprise was how real it all felt, and it triggered all the right simultaneously nostalgic and prophetic emotions and thoughts. "Do you know why they say that 'a picture is worth a thousand words'?" Samarpita Mukherjee Sharma (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/How_To_Write_A_Story_Effectively/p3HpDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=as+they+say+pictures+speak+a+thousand+words&pg=PT8&printsec=frontcover) asks in the book How To Write A Story Effectively: ...tips from a professional manuscript editor. And which he then answers crisply and intelligently by saying: "'Coz it takes quite a few words to create a picture and without that no story is complete. Your reader needs to imagine the story as much with their minds as they will with their eyes. This also doesn't mean you describe a place for four paragraphs explaining everything in fine detail. Strike a balance". As for its origins, they're unclear and are especially obscure. But according to Tussey and Haas (2021) (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Connecting_Disciplinary_Literacy_and_Dig/yh4MEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Leslie+Haas++++++Barnard,+who+published+a+piece +applauding+the+effectiveness+of+graphics+.&pg=PA196&printsec=frontcover), this phrase became popular in the early part of the 20th century, and its introduction is often attributed to American Frederick R. Barnard, who published a piece applauding the effectiveness of graphics in advertising. The maxim means, among other things, that a variety of ideas, as Zakia and Suler (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Perception_and_Imaging/WgM7DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=which+means+a+variety+of+ideas+can+be+condensed +into+a+single+photo.+Photographs+also+offer+a+see mingly+more+real,&pg=SA2-PA80&printsec=frontcover) note in their book "Perception and Imaging: Photography as a Way of Seeing," can be condensed into a single photo. Photographs, moreover, offer a seemingly more real, tangible depiction of concepts that otherwise seem abstract or elusive. But at the same time, a picture, as Pastor Stephen Kyeyune (2017) (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Inspired_Wisdom_for_Progressive_Living/gV0lDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=as+they+say+pictures+speak+a+thousand+words&pg=PT7&printsec=frontcover) points out, is sometimes worth a thousand lies. And it may indeed come down to intent. And in the end, it comes down, and it does come down, to intent. The intentions of posting a photo or image speak volumes. Tal (2022) (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_Interior_Landscape/RsZ8EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Haas,+picture+speaks+thousand&pg=PT69&printsec=frontcover) is of the opinion that when it comes to art, "a picture is worth a thousand words" is as silly as "a book is worth a thousand bananas." It's not all sunshine and roses, I guess. Guy Tal makes some very interesting points, but one finding in particular was striking. And that is the fact that every medium has a range of expression that is unique to it, or for which it is better suited than other media, and, even more importantly, that some things are expressible equally well in multiple media, some things can be expressed better in one medium over another, and some things can be expressed only in one medium and not in any other. And attempts to quantify and to compare the products of one medium in terms of another only works in those areas where the two media overlap or complement each other in their expressive capacities. And here is my favorite part. Tal cited Picasso who "believed that painters should venture beyond realistic representation, not because realism is impossible in painting, but because photography is better suited for the task." Photographers, too, have from time to time felt and expressed similar sentiments to Picasso. The same line of thought also appears in Elizabeth Little's interpretation of this axiom. After noting that they specifically say a picture's worth a thousand words, Little (2020) (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Pretty_as_a_Picture/aSP_DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=That%27s+not+what+I%27d+say.+I%27d+say+it+depen ds+on+the+picture.+I%27d+say+it+depends+on+the+siz e+and+the+color+and+the+subject+and+the+print+and+ the+framing+and+the+focus+and+the+composition.%22&pg=PT8&printsec=frontcover) goes on to say: "That's not what I'd say. I'd say it depends on the picture. I'd say it depends on the size and the color and the subject and the print and the framing and the focus and the composition." But the really important question people don't ask is: What does this accomplish in an understanding of the meaning and message of the story? This approach, I would say, is geared toward improving understanding or comprehension of meanings and messages and truths and values. Pictures, moreover, are also universal, as Virkler and Kayembe (2016) (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Hearing_God_Through_Your_Dreams/vLdHDQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Virkler+and+Kayembe+(2016)+noted+in+the+book+He aring+God+Through+Your+Dreams.&pg=PT9&printsec=frontcover) noted in the book Hearing God Through Your Dreams. This is demonstrated in the following experiment and in the following series of examples given by Stephanidis and Antona (2013) (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Universal_Access_in_Human_Computer_Inter/lzC7BQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=pictures++understanding+of+the+meaning+and+mess age+of+the+story.&pg=PA139&printsec=frontcover). Volunteers 1, 5 and 9 said the picture helped them understand and keep track of the details. Volunteer 1 said that in some moments the text reading harmed the content understanding. Volunteers 1, 3, 5, 6 failed to understand some words written in Portuguese, but in this case the image helped them to understand the content and tone and the sentiment and thinking behind the content and to infer the implicit content, including the main points, arguments, and findings. For Volunteer 9, it is easy to understand when a context is presented by some writing text and it is illustrated by a picture. And Volunteer 5 adds that when writing in the Portuguese language is simplified, and still accompanied by a picture, it turns out to be easy to understand the meaning. That "a picture speaks a thousand words" is a very old maxim, far older than any writer on the subject. It is more than a maxim or axiom, for it is a law of nature or reason or a mystical truth that pervades all spheres of life and activity. The question and the real issue, though, is how well we intuitively connect with pictures. As Haas and ‎Tussey explain in the section titled "Stories and the Power of a Picture" (https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Connecting_Disciplinary_Literacy_and_Dig/yh4MEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=dillon+2014+power+of+picture+Haas,+Leslie,&pg=PA196&printsec=frontcover):

Complex ideas can be conveyed with just a single image. For example, if a teacher wanted to help students understand the meaning of the word "camouflage," the teacher may show a picture of a camouflage shirt. In this case, the image of the concept conveys meaning more effectively than a description with only words does. Teachers often use visuals as scaffolds that help students comprehend complex information and support understanding. Visuals aid in information retention and vocabulary learning.

It says everything that needs to be said, and it could not be said better. And so now, inevitably, we're left with the task of "clearing up the confusion" surrounding the Y chromosomes or the Y chromosome lineages and the autosomal genes. See the post below. It definitely helped clear things up, but the next post will seek to build on it and, even more importantly, to further build upon the progress made with previous studies. Hopefully this clears things up. As, in fact, the sole purpose is to clear up any confusion or "any misconceptions". This will hopefully clear all out confusion, and lead to a clearer and more meaningful knowledge and understanding of DNA, evolution, and biodiversity. In the meantime, read through this post and this information:


Another noteworthy point is that the haplogroups CT, CF, and DE originated in the Indian subcontinent, whereas the haplogroups D and E did not, in contrast to the haplogroups C and F, both of which did originate from the Indian continent. Also, this needs to be mentioned that the three basal Eurasian branches, as pointed out by Kivisild (2017), are D, C and F. Haplogroup D, in other words, is a basal Eurasian branch, but haplogroup E is not. See the following examples:

CT: 66500 BC
CF: 63900 BC
DE: 63200 BC
C: 46800 BC
F: 46800 BC


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?348836-Origins-of-I2a1-Is-it-Slavic&p=7618936&viewfull=1#post7618936

[Eurasian Adam]

Your Genes Listen to Your Beliefs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ujx3Ez7dW8&t=12s&ab_channel=Commune

[Gallop]

What is your DNA haplogroup Y?

[Beowulf]

What is your DNA haplogroup Y?

in his signature he have this:

Y-DNA (P): R1b-S47 (Irish/Scot), E1b1b1 (Proto-Semitic), C1b-Z5896. mtDNA (M): W6 (Gotland/Sweden). Ancient (European) Origins: Indo-European (Metal Age Invader) 67%, Early/First/Neolithic European Farmer (EEF/FEF/ENF) 8–10%, WHG 3–7%; Turkey 20–30%; Caucasian-Anatolian-Balkan 40–43%; Volga Region 18–20%; Ukrainian 11–12%; Viking 10%; Scandinavian 6–7% EHG–Steppe: Corded Ware 28–34, Yamnaya (Steppe Pastoralist) 23–25%, Bell Beaker 22–24%; Steppe to SCAsian 20–23%; Euro HG 11-12% CHG/Iran: Caucasus (CHG) 31–33%; Iran_N 54–60%; IVC 64-67%

[Gallop]

in his signature he have this:

Y-DNA (P): R1b-S47 (Irish/Scot), E1b1b1 (Proto-Semitic), C1b-Z5896. mtDNA (M): W6 (Gotland/Sweden). Ancient (European) Origins: Indo-European (Metal Age Invader) 67%, Early/First/Neolithic European Farmer (EEF/FEF/ENF) 8–10%, WHG 3–7%; Turkey 20–30%; Caucasian-Anatolian-Balkan 40–43%; Volga Region 18–20%; Ukrainian 11–12%; Viking 10%; Scandinavian 6–7% EHG–Steppe: Corded Ware 28–34, Yamnaya (Steppe Pastoralist) 23–25%, Bell Beaker 22–24%; Steppe to SCAsian 20–23%; Euro HG 11-12% CHG/Iran: Caucasus (CHG) 31–33%; Iran_N 54–60%; IVC 64-67%


But no one has two dnaY haplogroups.

[Beowulf]

But no one has two dnaY haplogroups.

maybe his maternal grandfather?

[LETTER "Z"]

The ASML of DNA Sequencing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEwkpQV691A&t=77s&ab_channel=Asianometry

[LETTER "Z"]

When Ancient People Changed Their Own DNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfX06NINZpk&t=24s&ab_channel=PBSEons

[LETTER "Z"]

23andMe DNA test links woman to unsolved murder | GMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foQ40MRCA7s&ab_channel=GoodMorningAmerica

A woman learned she may be the key to solving a murder mystery after she got a phone call from the police thanks to her DNA.

[Wunder-Zeichen]

WE ARE BORN TO REGENERATE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OljEOcQEAU&ab_channel=GreggBradenOfficial

[Wunder-Zeichen]

Astrid is actually suggesting "WGS", as opposed to "WGS+" and "WGS++".

WGS $359.00
WGS+ $399.00
WGS++ $699.00

https://www.yseq.net/index.php?cPath=29

I should take his advice seriously and go along with his suggestion, but I should really go with "WGS+".

I mean, there is a huge price difference between WGS+ and WGS++:

WGS $359.00
WGS+ $399.00 (+$40 or +11.1420612813%)

WGS $359.00
WGS++ $699.00 (+$340 or +94.7075208914%)

WGS+ $399.00
WGS++ $699.00 (+300 or +75.1879699248%)


From: YSEQ Support <support@yseq.net>
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: wgs.

I suggest our WGS. We deliver all raw data. There is a zip file like 23andMe's file for example and some other small vcf files. You can have the full BAM file also.

Best regards,

Astrid

More choices, lower price
Approx. 45, 90 or 150 Gbases data output
100 or 150 base paired end reads
Free BAM file
Raw data download or mailed on a microSD card
Starts at $359 / 355 €
https://www.yseq.net/index.php