Why guys like lesbian visual stimuli?

[Flintlocke]

I don't mean what's your moral stance on the issue.

But it is a well know fact that whenever guys see two girls doing something even vaguely erotic with each other our little "minime" gets ready for action.

So what do you thing creates this responce?

Discuss.

[Albion]

So what do you thing creates this responce?


Seeing a woman do anything related to sex triggers the "she wants a bit" thoughts in males.

[Hurrem sultana]

i am from Nebraska i dont know :D

[Ushtari]

seeing one chick is nice, so two chickz should then naturally be more nice

simple math

[Hurrem sultana]

two guys is just disgusting

[Electronic God-Man]

two guys is just disgusting

I've known women who thought that seeing two guys make out, or even have sex, was really hot.

[Hurrem sultana]

I've known women who thought that seeing two guys make out, or even have sex, was really hot.

those are sick women

[Flintlocke]

I did some google research on the issue and it appears that REAL lesbians are not the kind guys see in porn or glamour modelling. In fact, I repeat, REAL lesbian would elicit this response: :puke::puke::comp26:

So it's just a marketing thing to sell more porn.

[hannah]

I've known women who thought that seeing two guys make out, or even have sex, was really hot.

oh no no i didnt mean to thank you, i ment to quote, thats sick, disgasting

[boogeyman]

seeing one chick is nice, so two chickz should then naturally be more nice

simple math

Agreed. It is simple visual pleasure without any moral dilemmas about homosexuality.

[Tarja]

I don't know. If two women are lesbians and want each other, and you're a guy, then they aren't gonna want you. You won't be allowed to join in ;) sorry.

I don't find two men together to be attractive, either.

[Breedingvariety]

Regarding porn, I prefer straight rather than lesbian. Quoting film "Superbad"- porn without dick is just gay.

[Breedingvariety]

I don't know. If two women are lesbians and want each other, and you're a guy, then they aren't gonna want you. You won't be allowed to join in ;) sorry.
And it leaves fantasy me out.:(

[Absinthe]

I did some google research on the issue and it appears that REAL lesbians are not the kind guys see in porn or glamour modelling. In fact, I repeat, REAL lesbian would elicit this response: :puke::puke::comp26:

So it's just a marketing thing to sell more porn.

No kiddin', dude! :D

Porn lesbians:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7ziY-iXtKnOEXZmpYrmu4GqnhesXF1RWnhcCkC_ryIluXKWAo1uU6zG FCAA

REAL lesbians:

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/06/25/fashion/parade.jpg

problem? :D

[Flintlocke]

No kidding, girl :D


glam/porn lesbians
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lufeatsqkV1qldzjbo1_500.jpg

real lesbians
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/26/article-0-06304787000005DC-128_468x343.jpg

YUCK!!! :puke::puke::puke:

[Absinthe]

Once I was lured into a lesbian bar by a mutual acquaintance of ours, and it took me a while to realize I was surrounded by women... most of them (if not all) looked like really ugly, short men.
I only realized after the "barwoman" (an ugly girl with a shaved head and army shirt) said "my friend Christina over there at the corner of the bar wants to buy you a drink"

I looked and looked and no "Christina" was in sight, only a short-haired dark man wearing an ugly, burgundy red oversized button shirt.
- oh wait :eek:
:D

[Flintlocke]

It must have been me, I'm short dark haired and have 2 burgundy shirts. :p

[Absinthe]

It must have been me, I'm short dark haired and have 2 burgundy shirts. :p
If you go by the name "Christina" at night, then yes :p

[Flintlocke]

No, I go by Brunhild :D hahahahaha

[Absinthe]

No, I go by Brunhild :D hahahahaha
Germanic wannabe :rolleyes:

:D

[Mordid]

Women are the most beautiful thing on this planet...

Two women = better

Three women = better to the poweer of ten

Sorry we are just men.....

[Hevneren]

No kidding, girl :D


glam/porn lesbians
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lufeatsqkV1qldzjbo1_500.jpg

real lesbians
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/26/article-0-06304787000005DC-128_468x343.jpg

YUCK!!! :puke::puke::puke:

I see your two trucker lesbians and raise with Portia De Rossi.

http://www.sugarslam.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ellen-degeneres-portia-de-rossi.jpg

Her "significant other", Ellen DeGeneres, is more typical though.

[Arrow Cross]

I genuinely find no appeal in such degenerate debauchery. This seems to be such a rare opinion on the Internuts, I was even told "there's something wrong with me" because of it.

Welcome to the XXIst Century, where morals are thrown out of the window with extra large military shovels.

[Apollonaris]

My friend prefers lesbian porn over straight porn because he says the sight of other men's penises turn him off. And he's got a point. It's one of the reasons I've never liked gangbang videos, too many dicks and you can barely see the woman, if at all.


I genuinely find no appeal in such degenerate debauchery. This seems to be such a rare opinion on the Internuts, I was even told "there's something wrong with me" because of it.

Welcome to the XXIst Century, where morals are thrown out of the window with extra large military shovels.

:tsk: You must be the most boring lay in the universe. Chill the fuck out, dude, and enjoy life.

[Unurautare]

I did some google research on the issue and it appears that REAL lesbians are not the kind guys see in porn or glamour modelling. In fact, I repeat, REAL lesbian would elicit this response: :puke::puke::comp26:

So it's just a marketing thing to sell more porn.

Two women on one guy=:thumb001: .Guys shouldn't fap to 2 women "fking" each other in the 1st place,that's gay.

[Beorn]

Simple. Ask your GF/Fiancé/Wife if she likes it up the arsehole.

No? What a surprise.

Now, try asking your best mate if he likes licking women like they were lollipops, or, better still, if he is lazy and likes to see women enjoying the lollipop treatment.

Yeah! I thought so.

[Magister Eckhart]

I genuinely find no appeal in such degenerate debauchery. This seems to be such a rare opinion on the Internuts, I was even told "there's something wrong with me" because of it.

Welcome to the XXIst Century, where morals are thrown out of the window with extra large military shovels.

Hear, hear. I can't say it better myself, so I won't try. Death to the sodomites.

[jerney]

Hear, hear. I can't say it better myself, so I won't try. Death to the sodomites.

I think if you ever actually get laid you probably wouldn't be so uptight.

[Turkey]

Once I was lured into a lesbian bar by a mutual acquaintance of ours, and it took me a while to realize I was surrounded by women... most of them (if not all) looked like really ugly, short men.
I only realized after the "barwoman" (an ugly girl with a shaved head and army shirt) said "my friend Christina over there at the corner of the bar wants to buy you a drink"

I looked and looked and no "Christina" was in sight, only a short-haired dark man wearing an ugly, burgundy red oversized button shirt.
- oh wait :eek:
:D

All lesbians seem to be female to male cross dressers.

It's weird because gay men aren't. They wear men's clothes as well. It's all very soviet.

[Magister Eckhart]

I think if you ever actually get laid you probably wouldn't be so uptight.

This is a tired cliché expressing a fundamentally hedonistic and twisted world-view: since when does having intercourse improve a person? I suppose everyone who has hired a prostitute is somehow metaphysically superior to any given nun or monk as well?

You people are disgusting.

[jerney]

This is a tired cliché expressing a fundamentally hedonistic and twisted world-view: since when does having intercourse improve a person? I suppose everyone who has hired a prostitute is somehow metaphysically superior to any given nun or monk as well?

You people are disgusting.

What does prostitution have to do with anything? Do you think it's a superior mindset to pretend most men (and women) don't have sexual desires that need to be fulfilled?

[Magister Eckhart]

What does prostitution have to do with anything? Do you think it's a superior mindset to pretend most men (and women) don't have sexual desires that need to be fulfilled?

I was taking your view to its logical limit. By saying that a person is better off once he "gets laid" you are implicitly making the argument that people who have sex constantly must be superior people to those who are chaste. How a person can possibly believe that boggles my mind entirely; as if to give in to desires and wants and satiate them whenever they arise somehow improves a person and self-control and self-discipline harms or debilitates him. It's the height of absurdity or gross immorality - I'm not sure which is your case.

There is no need in lust. Only one thing has a necessity to it in regards to sexual intercourse, and that's procreation. Everything else is about want - desire, pleasure, what-have-you, none of which have any necessity to them at all and all of which when slaked regularly cause the deterioration, not the elevation of, the person.

[Electronic God-Man]

Simple. Ask your GF/Fiancé/Wife if she likes it up the arsehole.

No? What a surprise.

I must be getting all the kinky girls...Sorry, ole chap!

[Jake Featherston]

Guys likes lesbian porn for a variety of reasons, none of them good. One is because they are so insecure in their own sexuality, that they are afraid that if they watch normal porn ie., the sort where a man's penis does tend to come into view from time to time, that this will be construed by others (or even by themselves) as evidence they are a faggot (which is absurd, of course, but people believe, albeit not always openly, in many absurd things). Additionally, lesbian porn is tirelessly marketed, and otherwise presented as "cool," to men in our society, and most people don't really think & feel for their own selves, and will just mindlessly glom onto whatever they are notified is presently regarded as "cool" (or whatever the operative adjective in 2011 may be).

Porn is grotesque, but like most men with internet access, I can't honestly say I eschew it entirely. I wish that I did, but alas, I do not. Lesbian porn is sort of the lowest common denominator of pornography. Its like Bud Light ie., a vulgar, degenerate little product for those with limited sensibilities. Its the aesthetic equivalent of eating granulated sugar straight out of the bowl with a spoon.

[jerney]

I was taking your view to its logical limit. By saying that a person is better off once he "gets laid" you are implicitly making the argument that people who have sex constantly must be superior people to those who are chaste. How a person can possibly believe that boggles my mind entirely; as if to give in to desires and wants and satiate them whenever they arise somehow improves a person and self-control and self-discipline harms or debilitates him. It's the height of absurdity or gross immorality - I'm not sure which is your case.

There is no need in lust. Only one thing has a necessity to it in regards to sexual intercourse, and that's procreation. Everything else is about want - desire, pleasure, what-have-you, none of which have any necessity to them at all and all of which when slaked regularly cause the deterioration, not the elevation of, the person.

If there was no "need" in lust, peoples' sexual desires would come to a halt after they're fertile years are over, yet people still have sex after conception is no longer possible. Are you going to claim that's immoral too?

I think the funny thing is that the people who shame sex are usually the ones that secretly have all kinds of sexual issues and weird fetishes.

[Jake Featherston]

I see your two trucker lesbians...

"Trucker lesbians," LOL. Those are normal lesbians (to the extent such a thing can be said to exist; perhaps its more accurate to say they are statistically typical lesbians). They probably work in an office downtown, and certainly aren't "truckers."

[Óttar]

I've heard a theory that it is that a man is kind of identifying vicariously with the women and that is why it is a strong fantasy. I personally find in pornography that generally the dialogue and interaction between women is more empathic whereas between men and women it is generally degrading, violent, and at the very least, annoying.

Not all lesbians are ugly, or excessively mannish. I find some quite attractive. Some have a kind of unattainable, slightly virile (in the sense of an active) edginess which I find attractive. I guess maybe *chapstick femme* is what I'm thinking of. :P I know many times a pixie cut on an attractive woman slays me. :D

I have a lesbian roommate and her girlfriend is always over. Her gf makes me hot and bothered, it's too bad I can't do anything with her. :tsk:

And what I WOULD DO! :yumyum:

[Jake Featherston]

I think if you ever actually get laid you probably wouldn't be so uptight.

Sex makes women much more powerful than they would otherwise be, so whenever any man suggests that our society's obsession with a vulgarizing, all-pervasive sexuality is anything other than an unalloyed good, you can count on some broad to scold him as a loser-who-can't-get-laid and/or a faggot. Its like freakin' clockwork.

[Jake Featherston]

I think the funny thing is that the people who shame sex are usually the ones that secretly have all kinds of sexual issues and weird fetishes.

I personally get a tremendous enjoyment out of sex, but that doesn't mean that our porno kultur isn't vile. The dichotomy between a prude, and one who thinks porn is somehow good for society, is very false indeed.

[Boudica]

Well, I think that it's different for every man to be honest. While the majority find the whole lesbian thing sexually arousing, some aren't that into it, but as I said the majority find it sexually arousing. I remember thinking about this, while the whole lesbian fantasy thing is prevalent amongst men, I don't know of one woman who finds gay males having sex to be a turn on..

I'm sure that there is some type of psychological reason as to why men find this so arousing. But when it comes down to it, men and women are just wired differently, and both sexes are thought of by one another very differently. Many men probably have the whole lesbian fantasy thing because of how many men view women.

Many men view women as being these feminine, delicate, beautiful things.. For them, a woman that acts masculine or domineering is a turn off, while for women, a man that acts passive/submissive or feminine at all is a turn off. Which is why I think males enjoy watching two women, while women don't really enjoy watching two men. The ideal image of a man in society is a 'manly man', male homosexuality in society is seen as more of a feminine thing due to an amount of gay men acting feminine, just as an amount of gay females act masculine. That's my thinking.

[Magister Eckhart]

I personally get a tremendous enjoyment out of sex, but that doesn't mean that our porno kultur isn't vile. The dichotomy between a prude, and one who thinks porn is somehow good for society, is very false indeed.

I'm done wasting my time with that degenerate; you probably won't make any more headway than I did. Any woman who views sex in that way is nothing but a whore anyway.

[jerney]

Sex makes women much more powerful than they would otherwise be, so whenever any man suggests that our society's obsession with a vulgarizing, all-pervasive sexuality is anything other than an unalloyed good, you can count on some broad to scold him as a loser-who-can't-get-laid and/or a faggot. Its like freakin' clockwork.

It's one thing to have a discussion about an over-sexualized society, it's another to spout off your outdated and ridiculously subjective views on "morality" and "purity" and expect anyone to take you seriously or question the motive behind them.

[jerney]

I'm done wasting my time with that degenerate; you probably won't make any more headway than I did.

lol you need to come back down to reality and you seriously need to stop speaking like you're some 19th century preacher, because for one, it sounds ridiculous, two, you're not impressing anyone.


Any woman who views sex in that way is nothing but a whore anyway.

I guess it makes me an even bigger whore that I have my fiance's dick in me every day. And I even thoroughly enjoy it. I guess I'm really going to hell now. :eek:

[Jake Featherston]

It's one thing to have a discussion about an over-sexualized society, it's another to spout off your outdated and ridiculously subjective views on "morality" and "purity" and expect anyone to take you seriously or question the motive behind them.

You seem to be effectively saying that having traditional, conservative ("Western") conceptions of morality makes one "outdated" (whatever that means; what the Hell has the calendar to do with truth?) and "ridiculous." But presumably you don't think that about people who adhere to the modernist notions of (im)morality, which incidentally are promoted by the governmental & corporate leadership within our societies. So why do you so strongly disparage the former, and so strongly champion (and presumably embody) the latter?

[Óttar]

I don't know of one woman who finds gay males having sex to be a turn on..
I do. :D

[Boudica]

Sex makes women much more powerful than they would otherwise be, so whenever any man suggests that our society's obsession with a vulgarizing, all-pervasive sexuality is anything other than an unalloyed good, you can count on some broad to scold him as a loser-who-can't-get-laid and/or a faggot. Its like freakin' clockwork.

HAHA "some broad" you're a supposed irishman talking like some low class cheap ass excuse for an Italian? Whats wrong with you?
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1570/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1570R-123056.jpg
Lol you can definitely tell who the 'we get no pussy party' includes here.

[Turkey]

HAHA "some broad" you're a supposed irishman talking like some low class cheap ass excuse for an Italian? Whats wrong with you?
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1570/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1570R-123056.jpg
Lol you can definitely tell who the 'we get no pussy party' includes here.

Are you implying that irishmen aren't low class?:(

[Turkey]

It's important to remember , lesbians are gay people to.

They should be afforded the same prejudices as gay men.:)

[Hurrem sultana]

I'm done wasting my time with that degenerate; you probably won't make any more headway than I did. Any woman who views sex in that way is nothing but a whore anyway.

you probably live in celibate :D

[Hevneren]

Sex makes women much more powerful than they would otherwise be, so whenever any man suggests that our society's obsession with a vulgarizing, all-pervasive sexuality is anything other than an unalloyed good, you can count on some broad to scold him as a loser-who-can't-get-laid and/or a faggot. Its like freakin' clockwork.

I don't really agree with Magister Eckhart, but you have a point here. A lot of women seem to build their self esteem upon sexual desire, and male rejection of sexuality is seen as a rejection of them. I'm no prude, but since I'm a male with standards I've been called gay for not desperately pursuing women like a lovesick puppy dog.

I have self-respect, and to some women a man with self-respect is a threat. It's ironic because the sex-obsessed guys who give up their self-respect and standards to chase anything in a skirt due to a vague possibility of sex, are looked down upon by women, and yet when men choose to divert from this desperate behaviour that's wrong as well. :shrug:

[Hevneren]

HAHA "some broad" you're a supposed irishman talking like some low class cheap ass excuse for an Italian? Whats wrong with you?
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1570/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1570R-123056.jpg
Lol you can definitely tell who the 'we get no pussy party' includes here.

Um, you kind of confirmed his point here. Just saying. :shrug:

No offence, Boudica, but calling guys gay or implying that they can't get any sex, isn't a very objective argument in favour of your point, and it seems like women say these things not as a valid argument but to degrade or belittle their male counterparts. Why not bring up a valid counterargument instead?

By the way, I don't agree with Magister Eckhart calling women whores for enjoying sex either. I think these kinds of insults are uncalled for.

[Leliana]

I actually cancelled my relationship with a former boyfriend over his sordid and degenerate views of sexuality. He was spoiled rotten by his consumption of pornos and his demands, it was dreadful! :( He thought that the movies he watched show the reality and how 'it' should be. But no woman with a sound mind would like most of the deviant practices he had in mind and most would be painful or unpleasant to me. I'd like to know how many men have been corrupted by the consumption of hardcore pornos up to now? It's a tragic development and I blame the porn industry for walking sex-zombies who are out of touch with normality and reality.


I guess it makes me an even bigger whore that I have my fiance's dick in me every day. And I even thoroughly enjoy it. I guess I'm really going to hell now. :eek:
What do you want to achieve with your factitious tough-talk and indecency? There's something between prudish and nymphomanic, between a nun and a 'whore'. It's disconcerting how you 'boast' with the 'daily dick of your finance in you' to try to talk down Magister Eckhart. :hrm00000:

[Hess]

I have my fiance's dick in me every day. And I even thoroughly enjoy it. I guess I'm really going to hell now. :eek:

That's between you and God, but what I can say for certain is that these types of comments are crude and uncalled for.

[Breedingvariety]

I don't really agree with Magister Eckhart, but you have a point here. A lot of women seem to build their self esteem upon sexual desire, and male rejection of sexuality is seen as a rejection of them. I'm no prude, but since I'm a male with standards I've been called gay for not desperately pursuing women like a lovesick puppy dog.

I have self-respect, and to some women a man with self-respect is a threat. It's ironic because the sex-obsessed guys who give up their self-respect and standards to chase anything in a skirt due to a vague possibility of sex, are looked down upon by women, and yet when men choose to divert from this desperate behaviour that's wrong as well. :shrug:
Maybe it's like this:
-If a woman likes a man or the way he makes advances, he is considered masculine by her;
-If a woman likes a man and wants him to make advances or she makes advances herself, and man doesn't show sexual interest, she calls him gay;
-If a woman doesn't like a man or the way he is making advances, she calls him pervert and at the same time, for her it is acknowledgment of her seductiveness;
-If a woman doesn't like a man and he doesn't make advances, then anything could be said about him and with little emotions. Conceptions about the world rather than emotional charge would be more revealed in what is said.

[Óttar]

Lol you can definitely tell who the 'we get no pussy party' includes here.
I'm not taking sides with our resident 'Juniour Anti-Sex League', but using what I call, "code pink" is lowly.


Um, you kind of confirmed his point here. Just saying. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/smilies/shrugani.gif

No offence, Boudica, but calling guys gay or implying that they can't get any sex, isn't a very objective argument in favour of your point, and it seems like women say these things not as a valid argument but to degrade or belittle their male counterparts. Why not bring up a valid counterargument instead?
Agreed.

[Jake Featherston]

HAHA "some broad" you're a supposed irishman talking like some low class cheap ass excuse for an Italian? Whats wrong with you?

I'm not allowed to employ a slang term while expressing mild irritation with some female poster, without being drawn into some East Coast, media-driven "Jersey Shore"-style narrative? Weird.


Lol you can definitely tell who the 'we get no pussy party' includes here.

I'll be sure to tell my 13-year old son how I've never been laid. Go take some more pictures of yourself, you cretinous strumpet.

[Turkey]

I actually cancelled my relationship with a former boyfriend over his sordid and degenerate views of sexuality. He was spoiled rotten by his consumption of pornos and his demands, it was dreadful! :( He thought that the movies he watched show the reality and how 'it' should be. But no woman with a sound mind would like most of the deviant practices he had in mind and most would be painful or unpleasant to me. I'd like to know how many men have been corrupted by the consumption of hardcore pornos up to now? It's a tragic development and I blame the porn industry for walking sex-zombies who are out of touch with normality and reality.

I have to admit I'm spoiled! I can't make love to my wife if there's not at least ten other men involved. But I blame normal movies with girls with short skirts and bikinis as well as the porn.

Maybe you could make a poll?




What do you want to achieve with your factitious tough-talk and indecency? There's something between prudish and nymphomanic, between a nun and a 'whore'. It's disconcerting how you 'boast' with the 'daily dick of your finance in you' to try to talk down Magister Eckhart. :hrm00000:

THANK YOU!:thumb001::D:)

[Jake Featherston]

...guys who give up their self-respect and standards to chase anything in a skirt due to a vague possibility of sex, are looked down upon by women, and yet when men choose to divert from this desperate behaviour that's wrong as well. :shrug:

Yes, an astute observation.

Freud once asked, "What do women want?" The answer is whatever they don't have at present. Or, "the next shiny object," perhaps. Of course, men have their flaws as well, and some men & women alike make the effort necessary to rise above a critical mass of their innate weaknesses (let's hope that staves off the somewhat overdue charge to the effect of how I "hate women," which would be a ridiculous allegation, and its also worth noting that I could make posts here that were critical of men all day long, without being equivalently accused), but all too many do not, and the sort who do not are often quite vocal about how they also don't want anyone else rising above the station of moral corruption they have chosen for themselves.

[jerney]

I actually cancelled my relationship with a former boyfriend over his sordid and degenerate views of sexuality. He was spoiled rotten by his consumption of pornos and his demands, it was dreadful! :( He thought that the movies he watched show the reality and how 'it' should be. But no woman with a sound mind would like most of the deviant practices he had in mind and most would be painful or unpleasant to me. I'd like to know how many men have been corrupted by the consumption of hardcore pornos up to now? It's a tragic development and I blame the porn industry for walking sex-zombies who are out of touch with normality and reality.

What do you want to achieve with your factitious tough-talk and indecency? There's something between prudish and nymphomanic, between a nun and a 'whore'. It's disconcerting how you 'boast' with the 'daily dick of your finance in you' to try to talk down Magister Eckhart. :hrm00000:

If you want to have conservative views about sex, then go ahead, I'm not judging you, but don't try to preach this holier than thou, self-righteous bullshit to other people and act as if there's something wrong with them because they don't conform to your ideas of "proper" sex or sexuality.

[Tony]

What does prostitution have to do with anything? Do you think it's a superior mindset to pretend most men (and women) don't have sexual desires that need to be fulfilled?
The verb to fill fits very well that kind of desire.

I've heard a theory that it is that a man is kind of identifying vicariously with the women and that is why it is a strong fantasy. I personally find in pornography that generally the dialogue and interaction between women is more empathic whereas between men and women it is generally degrading, violent, and at the very least, annoying.

Not all lesbians are ugly, or excessively mannish. I find some quite attractive. Some have a kind of unattainable, slightly virile (in the sense of an active) edginess which I find attractive. I guess maybe *chapstick femme* is what I'm thinking of. :P I know many times a pixie cut on an attractive woman slays me. :D

I have a lesbian roommate and her girlfriend is always over. Her gf makes me hot and bothered, it's too bad I can't do anything with her. :tsk:

And what I WOULD DO! :yumyum:
I have another theory, wich has beeb our first love character?mom, that's a female, and that's why everyone of us, no matter the gender, are attracted to the "women together" concept, a place without males.

[Jake Featherston]

If you want to have conservative views about sex, then go ahead, I'm not judging you, but don't try to preach this holier than thou, self-righteous bullshit to other people and act as if there's something wrong with them because they don't conform to your ideas of "proper" sex or sexuality.

In other words, "Its fine to have an opinion, just don't go about expressing it."

Perhaps that's not what you meant to impart, but objectively, I don't see what other interpretation there really is.

[Eldritch]

I actually cancelled my relationship with a former boyfriend over his sordid and degenerate views of sexuality. He was spoiled rotten by his consumption of pornos and his demands, it was dreadful! :( He thought that the movies he watched show the reality and how 'it' should be. But no woman with a sound mind would like most of the deviant practices he had in mind and most would be painful or unpleasant to me. I'd like to know how many men have been corrupted by the consumption of hardcore pornos up to now? It's a tragic development and I blame the porn industry for walking sex-zombies who are out of touch with normality and reality.


Yep. There's now a generation of young men out there who've been immersed in internet porn their entire life. And it'll get worse before it gets better, because no-one knows what to do about it.

[BiałaZemsta]

I spend my time pursuing real women instead of watching porn.

[Eldritch]

I did some google research on the issue and it appears that REAL lesbians are not the kind guys see in porn or glamour modelling. In fact, I repeat, REAL lesbian would elicit this response: :puke::puke::comp26:

So it's just a marketing thing to sell more porn.

Dude, you need to get out more. You needed to research on Google to find that out? :p



Once I was lured into a lesbian bar by a mutual acquaintance of ours, and it took me a while to realize I was surrounded by women... most of them (if not all) looked like really ugly, short men.
I only realized after the "barwoman" (an ugly girl with a shaved head and army shirt) said "my friend Christina over there at the corner of the bar wants to buy you a drink"

I looked and looked and no "Christina" was in sight, only a short-haired dark man wearing an ugly, burgundy red oversized button shirt.
- oh wait :eek:
:D

Well, you being lured into a lesbo bar I can understand. But that has happened to me too once. :chin:

[Turkey]

I spend my time pursuing real women instead of watching porn.

You must be unsuccessful at actually getting any then.

[BiałaZemsta]

You must be unsuccessful at actually getting any then.

I got a girlfriend in the process...

[jerney]

That's between you and God, but what I can say for certain is that these types of comments are crude and uncalled for.

Being called a whore for enjoying sex is uncalled for. I'm 25 and have only had two sex partners in my entire life, both of whom were long-term relationships. That doesn't exactly fit any definition of "whore". Besides, if someone really does want to be a "slut" and go fuck a ton of random guys, I see nothing wrong with that as long as they practice safe sex and it's certainly not my place to judge them.

[Tony]

Dude, you need to get out more. You needed to research on Google to find that out? :p
Actually for what I know that's a myth, most lesbians are the same as normal women, they just tend to use a bit less make up, not always smile for the smallest thing and stuff but no way are all butch.

http://m2.paperblog.com/i/37/370056/paola-concia-elogia-gli-spot-di-ikea-e-eataly-L-7i4tos.jpeg

http://www.famigliearcobaleno.org/public/evidenza/foto/over-the-rainbow-02.jpg

[Turkey]

I got a girlfriend in the process...

then why are you still pursuing them?

[StonyArabia]

you probably live in celibate :D

Celibacy is not negative aspect but one of the positive ones. It strengthens the spirituality of the person and makes have much closer connection with his soul and with that of the divine reality. Thus Celibacy should not be mocked. What we are seeing is unnatural behaviors due to excessive sex and pornographic culture. Lesbian porn is disgusting and shows how society has fallen.

[Jake Featherston]

...if someone really does want to be a "slut" and go fuck a ton of random guys, I see nothing wrong with that...

That's the crux of the biscuit, alas.

Its one thing to claim to be against "prudery," but this isn't that. This is you saying there is effectively no connection between morality and sexuality. Which is what our enemies have been trying to con us into believing for the last century or so.

[Turkey]

Actually for what I know that's a myth, most lesbians are the same as normal women, they just tend to use a bit less make up, not always smile for the smallest thing and stuff but no way are all butch.

http://m2.paperblog.com/i/37/370056/paola-concia-elogia-gli-spot-di-ikea-e-eataly-L-7i4tos.jpeg

http://www.famigliearcobaleno.org/public/evidenza/foto/over-the-rainbow-02.jpg

most of them are way more doggy than that. And they often purposefully leather up their faces with the sun.

they suck dude

[Jake Featherston]

Actually for what I know that's a myth, most lesbians are the same as normal women, they just tend to use a bit less make up, not always smile for the smallest thing and stuff but no way are all butch.

http://m2.paperblog.com/i/37/370056/paola-concia-elogia-gli-spot-di-ikea-e-eataly-L-7i4tos.jpeg

http://www.famigliearcobaleno.org/public/evidenza/foto/over-the-rainbow-02.jpg

You can find relatively pretty lesbians via a Google Image search, but as someone who spent the last 39 years in the San Francisco Bay Area, I know exceptions-to-the-general-rule when I see them.

[BiałaZemsta]

Really though, what is degenerate and disgusting about enjoying and having sex? Seriously, someone should explain because I do not understand.

[Jake Featherston]

Really though, what is degenerate and disgusting about enjoying and having sex? Seriously, someone should explain because I do not understand.

As far as I know, no one has actually made the claim that is is "degenerate and disgusting" to "enjoy...having sex." I certainly have not said anything to that effect, and I don't believe anyone else has either. This is a very common theme in these sorts of discussion ie., if one hints that perhaps having a society constantly marinated in a stew of ultra-hardcore pornographic imagery is a less than ideal scenario, they are immediately and repeatedly accused of being anti-sex. It seems peculiar to me.

[Turkey]

Really though, what is degenerate and disgusting about enjoying and having sex? Seriously, someone should explain because I do not understand.

I was brought up in a very catholic family. The way my father thought of it is this:

That having casual sexual partners makes it difficult to form strong bonds afterwards.

After having had some experience of my own I can't say that I disagree with him. I don't think life is better or sex more pleasurable due to having more than one partner or fantasizing about having two women.

Too much of something just lowers the market value.

Cheapening sex is not enjoying it.

[BiałaZemsta]

I was brought up in a very catholic family. The way my father thought of it is this:

That having casual sexual partners makes it difficult to form strong bonds afterwards.

After having had some experience of my own I can't say that I disagree with him. I don't think life is better or sex more pleasurable due to having more than one partner or fantasizing about having two women.

Too much of something just lowers the market value.

Cheapening sex is not enjoying it.

Thank you, that was the kind of answer I was looking for. :thumbs up

[Curtis24]

Well, I guess its because guys think that lesbians will show them how women like to be touched etc.

[jerney]

That's the crux of the biscuit, alas.

Its one thing to claim to be against "prudery," but this isn't that. This is you saying there is effectively no connection between morality and sexuality. Which is what our enemies have been trying to con us into believing for the last century or so.

Well, I guess you have to realize that not everyone will subscribe to your set of "morals". It doesn't make your views any more "right" than it makes mine.

[Tony]

You can find relatively pretty lesbians via a Google Image search, but as someone who spent the last 39 years in the San Francisco Bay Area, I know exceptions-to-the-general-rule when I see them.

Well, Frisco and the Gay Area are not the best choice if one want to find beautiful women.

http://eugenus.blogspot.com/2007/09/san-francisco-ugly-city.html

:D

[Stars Down To Earth]

Lesbian stimuli never really "did it" for me. In general, I don't get turned on by looking at porn (straight porn tends to be monotonous "wham-bam" shagging and faked orgasms, it gets really fucking boring as well). These days I really don't watch anything pornographic at all.

Otherwise, I agree with Leliana and Jake that too much porn-watching can be damaging, especially if you're a young laddie who is immersed in the stuff and bases his view on sex from it. Modern society's "normalisation" of porn is rather disgusting to me. It just creates a warped and grotesque view of sexuality. Which is totally unrealistic.


two guys is just disgusting
Being male and straight, I can obviously only agree. But an ex-girlfriend actually found it a turn-on...she even tried to force me into necking with another guy more than once...

[Óttar]

Celibacy is not negative aspect but one of the positive ones. It strengthens the spirituality of the person and makes have much closer connection with his soul and with that of the divine reality.
Closer connection with God? That's called not blowing your load for several years, and building up sexual energy to an extremely high level. Trust me, if and when a celibate finally beats off, they will see God, I guarantee it. Their cloister might end up getting a free paint-job as well.

[Turkey]

Thank you, that was the kind of answer I was looking for. :thumbs up

Sometimes I like to help the people.:D

[Eldritch]

Closer connection with God? That's called not blowing your load for several years, and building up sexual energy to an extremely high level. Trust me, if and when a celibate finally beats off, they will see God, I guarantee it. Their cloister might end up getting a free paint-job as well.

I would not be surprised in the least, if a good percentage of the supposedly celibate priests and monks engaged in the ol' self-pollution at times.

[Jake Featherston]

Well, I guess you have to realize that not everyone will subscribe to your set of "morals". It doesn't make your views any more "right" than it makes mine.

You may subscribe to some relativistic approach to reality wherein no one is ever truly right or wrong, but that hardly establishes that such an approach is the correct one. And our disagreement is fundamental enough that I think its pretty fair to say that either you are wrong, or I am (although I suppose its possible we both are). And not surprisingly, I'm pretty sure the one in error is you. The fact your opinion coincides with that of the contemporary ruling class, one which is busily doing everything it can to undermine and otherwise corrupt what remains of Western civilization, is a pretty strong indication that my opinion may be closer to the truth, I think its not unreasonable to conclude. I mean, sure, its possible that the people who seek to destroy ethnic European cultural identity are actually correct in matters of sexual morality, but it would seem like such an extraordinary claim would require a pretty convincing argument. And all I've heard so far are stale recitations of the if-it-feels-good-do-it meme that was frankly a stale and shopworn cliche back in 1979.

[Jake Featherston]

Well, Frisco and the Gay Area are not the best choice if one want to find beautiful women.

http://eugenus.blogspot.com/2007/09/san-francisco-ugly-city.html

I didn't reside in San Francisco, but I can assure you that the Greater San Francisco Bay Area, and Northern California generally, is utterly awash in extremely beautiful women, irrespective of some blog post illustrated by a whole one (1) photo of some of the weirdo elements that congregate in certain parts of downtown San Francisco. But among that vast pool of extremely beautiful women, lesbians are quite poorly represented. Very few lesbians I've encountered rated better than a somewhat generous characterization of "plain." And I guarantee you that the author of that post would be agreeing with my assessment of the relatively large community of Bay Area lesbians. Hell, its something of a truism.

[Hess]

Being called a whore for enjoying sex is uncalled for. I'm 25 and have only had two sex partners in my entire life, both of whom were long-term relationships. That doesn't exactly fit any definition of "whore". Besides, if someone really does want to be a "slut" and go fuck a ton of random guys, I see nothing wrong with that as long as they practice safe sex and it's certainly not my place to judge them.

Your personal life is far from the top of my list of concerns, I just found your language to be brash and uncouth (talking about having your boyfriends dick inside you)- Surely there are better ways to express your opinions.

[jerney]

Your personal life is far from the top of my list of concerns, I just found your language to be brash and uncouth (talking about having your boyfriends dick inside you)- Surely there are better ways to express your opinions.

When dealing with nutjobs like this guy? I don't think so. It was said to be ironic and provoke him further. I mean it wasn't that difficult to see through..

[Hess]

speak for yourself, I personally enjoy Magister's posts and agree with him on many things

[rhiannon]

Some guys don't care for it. My hubs could care less about lesbo porn.

[rhiannon]

Sex makes women much more powerful than they would otherwise be,

I see where all three of you are coming from, actually.

Jerney makes sense, and I can see how she would feel this way....yet so does Magister, for I've actually had a long discussion with him about this very thing. For such a young guy, he is very atypical to his same-aged peers, and I believe he is just a very deep thinker whose opinions are heavily based off his understanding of his faith. It is so unusual to find a young guy who isn't looking to shag everything in sight, I cannot fault him for his beliefs, and I think they are very sincere.

I personally am very open about sexuality, and little offends me. I think my upbringing in The San Fernando Valley of all places probably exposed me to a different way (more similar to the European way from what I gather) of seeing sexuality and lust. I see sexual urges as a natural part of the human experience....but what we do with those urges is dependent upon our highly individualized, moral codes.

[Flintlocke]

Celibacy is not negative aspect but one of the positive ones. It strengthens the spirituality of the person and makes have much closer connection with his soul and with that of the divine reality.

All of this is based on nothing whatsoever. Soul? Tell me where it's at.

[Jake Featherston]

All of this is based on nothing whatsoever. Soul? Tell me where it's at.

Would it make you feel better if we said "mind," and/or "persona," instead of "soul?"

[beaver]

There are many girls and no guys :)

[Loki]

It used to do something for me, but no longer.

[Tolleson]

It used to do something for me, but no longer.

It must be a "maturity" thing. I'm the same way. ;)

[Leliana]

Yep. There's now a generation of young men out there who've been immersed in internet porn their entire life. And it'll get worse before it gets better, because no-one knows what to do about it.
I'm glad that you've mentioned this because you're a man. If I had mentioned it there would be claims that I hate men or that I'm into feminism and nothing could be more wrong. Right now I'm trying to find a partner by looking into more conservative circles, in good hope that not everyone watches porn there day by day.

It's also the question of what you expect from sex? A short, 'porn-like' brute-force attack at the border of assault or rape, or a consensual love relationship that extends to deeper body contact and fair and soft treatment with respect for the needs and desires of the other partner. There're men out there who think that the first is the 'only real sex' and that's just wrong on so many levels. Porn killed romantics and sensitiveness.

[Black Sun Dimension]

Why guys like lesbian visual stimuli?

who cares about the why? its just hot as fuck and makes my dick hard

[Flintlocke]

It's also the question of what you expect from sex? A short, 'porn-like' brute-force attack at the border of assault or rape, or a consensual love relationship that extends to deeper body contact and fair and soft treatment with respect for the needs and desires of the other partner. There're men out there who think that the first is the 'only real sex' and that's just wrong on so many levels. Porn killed romantics and sensitiveness.

That is a good point. I heard long ago that there is an influence of the way one has sex with the baby's gender. I don't remember the exact physics but if you do your wife in a short, porn-like, brute force attack at the border of assault or rape, chances are the kid will be a son. But if you do her in a consensual love that extends to deeper body contact and fair and sort treatment and lovey dovey and hoochie coochie and like that, chances are you're gonna have a daughter. Since women's "liberation" they apparently ask for the second kind of rompy pumpy so I guess that's why lately there are about 10-15% more girls than boys.

Also you should like eachother's natural smell before deciding to have kids. That's nature's way of saying this combination will produce offspring with a good immune system. :thumb001:

[Breedingvariety]

Romance killed family. Porn killed romance. Winning!

[Turkey]

Why when we have lesbians to blame are we blaming porn?:confused:

Lesbians were around first. Porn's more of a product of the destruction of monogamy rather than the cause.

How often do i have to tell you lesbians are gay?!

[Flintlocke]

Damn this thread has derailed like an Indian train accident

Here's a pic about babies

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/11072935681/1/tumblr_lsae60Ief81r3tp7b

[Loddfafner]

I am currently in Northampton, Massachusetts which is the Lesbian capital of the world. I cannot imagine any male, even one with really odd fetishes, sprouting a woody over any of the ones I've seen so far, and that is already a significant sample even though I only just got here. I suppose I should find it somehow heartwarming that they seem to find each other cute, or maybe they just pretend to in order to validate some arcane variant of Feminist theory.

[Genome Retrograde]

I don't know. If two women are lesbians and want each other, and you're a guy, then they aren't gonna want you. You won't be allowed to join in ;) sorry.

I don't find two men together to be attractive, either.

god your HOT~

[safinator]

Twice as much of what you want, none of what you dont.

[Odin]

Lesbian stuff is cool only if the girls are hot. :cool:

[Bet012]

Speak for yourself i find them awkard and not enjoyable im straight guy btw.

[FreudianSlip]

Most guys into lesbian porn are either autists who can't tell how fake it is or secretly bi and can't stand being turned on by cock.