Kurdish wedding main phenotypes

[Hektor12]

Enjoy (:


https://youtu.be/LZhzB0vxA6c

[Oliver109]

Can't beat Kurdish wedding music, mostly iranids, a few alpines and some with CM influence, quite robust in some cases.

[Guti]

Magnificent. My people. Just native people to Great Kurdistan. There is nothing Central Asian Turkic/Chinc about them.

[Guti]

This one is from Eastern Kurdistan, Rojhelat


https://twitter.com/i/status/1454448807769411589

[Hektor12]

Can't beat Kurdish wedding music, mostly iranids, a few alpines and some with CM influence, quite robust in some cases.

What would you say for 2:31 ? Fire your shot before i call Token.


There is nothing Central Asian Turkic/Chinc about them.
Fortunately (: But theres something else in them.

[Oliver109]

What would you say for 2:31 ? Fire your shot before i call Token.


Fortunately (: But theres something else in them.

Something meddish i would say, what is impressive is the very ginger boy at 21:30, he actually does look like a British isles ginger.

[Zoro]

For some reason the Kurds of Turkey are different from us (Iraqi Kurds) or maybe it’s the Turkey Kurds posted here. I don’t know because I’ve never been to Turkey

These are more representative of our Kurds


https://youtu.be/1JJkuIDw3xo


https://youtu.be/nlLslg1CxbQ


https://youtu.be/D4-b7eJ--rk


https://youtu.be/sVl7RtKMH38


https://youtu.be/r2kuc3JO-L8


https://youtu.be/ppd9xkaJ1ks


https://youtu.be/rH6O9wlYN0w


https://youtu.be/yeh887EVFww


https://youtu.be/NP-e-BsMsO4

[Zoro]

Magnificent. My people. Just native people to Great Kurdistan. There is nothing Central Asian Turkic/Chinc about them.

That’s not a fair statement because it implies that any Kurd, and I have plenty in my family in Iraqi Kurdistan, and all the other thousands of Kurds in our area who look Uzbek, Turkmen, or Bashkir are not true Kurds. I think that’s discriminatory. Not to mention the formal genetics tests that show up to 40% Central Asian Indo-Iranic and Turkic admixture in Kurds.

Even with Yazidi Kurds I have seen some Central Asian looking ones. Not as many but still some

[Hektor12]

For some reason the Kurds of Turkey are different from us (Iraqi Kurds) or maybe it’s the Turkey Kurds posted here. I don’t know because I’ve never been to Turkey

These are more representative of our Kurds

Some immigrants from Caucasus war, mostly muslim Georgians and Ossetians settled in this region and assimilated into Kurds. Kurds from this region (Uludere) look different than other Kurds within Turkey as well. Standard Kurds from Hakkari look very similar to you, for example.

[Guti]

That’s not a fair statement because it implies that any Kurd, and I have plenty in my family in Iraqi Kurdistan, and all the other thousands of Kurds in our area who look Uzbek, Turkmen, or Bashkir are not true Kurds. I think that’s discriminatory. Not to mention the formal genetics tests that show up to 40% Central Asian Indo-Iranic and Turkic admixture in Kurds.

Even with Yazidi Kurds I have seen some Central Asian looking ones. Not as many but still someThere are Ezdi Kurds with something Eastern Eurasian in their looks, but I think it is from very, very ancient times. We are not mixed with the Turcomons as you know.

nevertheless there are some people who call themselves 'Kurds' but are mixed recently with Turcoman or Arabic people. They look different because of their non-Kurdic admixtures. It has nothing to do with the Kurdish looks or origin.

Central Asian looking 'Kurds' in your family look Central Asian because they are mixed with the Turcoman. it has nothing to do with Kurdic race. I have seen Kurds who are married with Africans (Negros). Their children look different from mainstream Kurds. They are only partly Kurdish. Because they are partly Kurdish doesn’t make their negro features native Kurdish.

Mixed Kurds are just what they are, MIXED.

[Guti]

Some immigrants from Caucasus war, mostly muslim Georgians and Ossetians settled in this region and assimilated into Kurds. Kurds from this region (Uludere) look different than other Kurds within Turkey as well. Standard Kurds from Hakkari look very similar to you, for example.
What war? Are you an idiot? Kurds in Northern Kurdistan are KURMANJI Kurds, while in Southern Kurdistan some Kurds are SORANI Kurds.

You do forget that Kurds are still tribal people and belong to tribes and clans. Think of famous Barzani tribe etc.

I am a Kurmanji Kurd myself. My Ezdi Kurdic roots are mostly from Wan and Colemêrg areas. And those Kurmanji Kurds in Northern Kurdistan look identical to my own people. Many Ezdi tribes were Islamized, but we still do know the origin of every Kurdish tribe and clan. Most Kurdish tribes and clans are still unmixed and pure Kurdic to this day.


There is a variation among the Kurdic tribes. That's why there is some variation among the Kurds.

[Guti]

I wrote something about the Ezdi tribes in my own personal forum here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthropedia/ask-an-ezdi-kurd-everything-you-want-about-his-rel-t15-s15.html

Ezdixan between 14th and 19th century. As you can see it includes most of the the Kurmanji areas. Like I said earlier, in the past ALL Kurmanji Kurds were Ezdi. In the ancient times Sorani Kurds were Ezdi too, but later on they replaced the Yezidism/Mithraism with Zoroastrianism.

https://twitter.com/YazidiReligion/status/1488864523457024002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1488864523457024002%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
https://i.postimg.cc/zvMd7jHL/FKm-CZKt-XIAo-Dfk.jpg
https://s-j-a.org/blog/verwaltungs-und-gebietsstruktur/

[Guti]

I have seen a few times this map of one of the most 'northern' provinces of Great Kurdistan. I have a story to tell about this province.
https://up.picr.de/42683610ud.jpg

Some of my Ezdi ancestors are from this province. The maternal grandmothers tribe is 'Sipki'. My maternal grandmother was 'Sipki'. My paternal tribe is 'Rojkani'.

Yezidi communities in Armenia and Georgia are divided into many tribes and clans: the tribes of Zuquriyan, Sipkan, Xaltan, Mehemdan, Rojkan-Rojkani, Hesiniyan and the clan of Axleran.

Each tribe is further divided into clans and separate households. There are many tribes and clans, some small and some large, some powerful and some less so.

https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA135732897&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10736697&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon~3a241a2e

More about the Kurdish tribes on wipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_tribes

And even this map has it right: This is where my grandmother's tribe of 'Sipki/Spiki' is from.
https://i.postimg.cc/qMTWt8rF/sipki.jpg

My grandmother was the ORIGINAL Sipki.

According to the Ottoman records, the Sipki tribe is generally Yezidi and they started to become Muslims from the 15th century. There are many records that they migrated from the Şengal region to Ağrı, Kars, Van and Iğdır.

Sipkîler Kürt aşiretleri arasında muharip ve mücadeleci olarak nam salmış bir aşirettir. Genel kabule ve Osmanlı kayıtlarına göre Sipkî Aşireti genel olarak Yezidi oldukları ve 15. yüzyıldan itibaren Müslüman olmaya başladıkları şeklindedir. Şengal bölgesinden Ağrı, Kars, Van ve Iğdır çevresine göç ettiklerine dair birçok kayıt mevcuttur.

https://www.gazetehudut.com/sipki-asireti-ve-abdulmecit-pasa.html

I found another tribe of my Ezdi ancestors. The Ezdi 'Toreni' tribe. Mother of my father was a 'Toreni'. Like with the 'Sipki', also this Ezdi tribe was later Islamized. ALL 'Kurmanji' Kurds were Ezdi in the past. And our Ezdi tribes are the evidence that the Kurdish Kurmanji Muslim tribes were 100% Ezdi in the past.
https://i.postimg.cc/x81YB7RW/toreni.jpg

http://yazidis.info/en/news/489/the-name-of-the-tribes-and-genera-of-the-yezidis-of-the-south-caucasus

[Guti]

To make a long story short, ALL Kurmanji tibes in Northern Kurdistan were Ezdi tribes in the past. Some of our Ezdi tribes were Islamized and they became 'Kurdish'.

[Zoro]

There are Ezdi Kurds with something Eastern Eurasian in their looks, but I think it is from very, very ancient times. We are not mixed with the Turcomons as you know.

nevertheless there are some people who call themselves 'Kurds' but are mixed recently with Turcoman or Arabic people. They look different because of their non-Kurdic admixtures. It has nothing to do with the Kurdish looks or origin.

Central Asian looking 'Kurds' in your family look Central Asian because they are mixed with the Turcoman. it has nothing to do with Kurdic race. I have seen Kurds who are married with Africans (Negros). Their children look different from mainstream Kurds. They are only partly Kurdish. Because they are partly Kurdish doesn’t make their negro features native Kurdish.

Mixed Kurds are just what they are, MIXED.

Without realizing it you just proved to everyone yesterday that it’s IMPOSSIBLE for Kurds to be fully Caucasian or W. Asian because you posted Dodecad K12 results for CHG and Iran-N showing Kurds are distance 18+. Distance 18+ means Kurds can’t be more than 40% Caucasian or W. Asian. The pure CHG is extinct otherwise there would be populations with distance 3 to it

What do Africans have to do with C. Asian Indo-Iranians or Turkics and how do you know the “C. Asian looking kurds” in the videos I posted is ancient or recent C. Asuan

[Guti]

Without realizing it you just proved to everyone yesterday that it’s IMPOSSIBLE for Kurds to be fully Caucasian or W. Asian because you posted Dodecad K12 results for CHG and Iran-N showing Kurds are distance 18+. Distance 18+ means Kurds can’t be more than 40% Caucasian or W. Asian. The pure CHG is extinct otherwise there would be populations with distance 3 to it

What do Africans have to do with C. Asian Indo-Iranians or Turkics and how do you know the “C. Asian looking kurds” in the videos I posted is ancient or recent C. AsuanKurds are by far closer to CHG than to Iran_N. Also Kurdic/Aryan Iran_ChL component is mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_N.

If some Kurd is mixed with a Negro that person could bring that Negro ancestry into Kurdistan. But that Negro ancestry would not be a 'native' Kurdic component, but an imported one. Same with the Turcomon ancestry. That ancestry is not native to Kurdistan. Central Asian Turcomon/chinc ancestry in Kurdistan is as much native as a Negro ancestry in Kurdistan.


Chinese looking Kurds who are mixed with the Turcomosn are partly chincs, it is that easy. They are partly of a non-Kurdic origin.

[Zoro]

Kurds are by far closer to CHG than to Iran_N. Also Kurdic/Aryan Iran_ChL is mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_N.
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It doesn’t matter you showed that Kurds are distance 18 from CHG or Caucasian. Distance 18 means no more than 30% CHG or Caucasian


If some Kurd is mixed with Negro that could will bring that Negro ancestry into Kurdistan. But that Negro ancestry would not be a 'native' Kurdic component, but an imported one. Same with Turcomon ancestry. That ancestry is not native to Kurdistan. Central Asian Turcomon/chinc ancestry in Kurdistan is as much native as a Negro ancestry in Kurdistan


Chinese looking Kurds who are mixed with the Turcomosn are partly chincs, it is that easy. They are partly of a non-Kurdic origin

There’s mo logic here because C. Asian Indo-Iranian or Turkic is ancient admixture in Kurds. Without it they would not be Kurds. They would be Iran-Chl or something which is not Kurd identity

African admixture in bronze or iron age or oresent is not oart of kurd identity

[Guti]

It doesn’t matter you showed that Kurds are distance 18 from CHG or Caucasian. Distance 18 means no more than 30% CHG or Caucasian


There's no logic here because C. Asian Indo-Iranian or Turkic is ancient admixture in Kurds. Without it they would not be Kurds. They would be Iran-Chl or something which is not Kurd identityAncient CHG, Iran_N, EHG, WHG etc. don't exist anymore. They all became something else. But as a matter of fact Kurds are still one of the most native people of NorthWestern Asian and one of the ethnic groups that are the closest to the archaic CHG. Kurds are even closer to CHG than the Chechens are.

But Kurds are derived mostly from Iran_ChL. It is the Iran_ChL ancestry that makes Kurds Western Iranic/Aryan. And that Iran_ChL ancestry is mostly derived from CHG.

Iran_ChL = 63.1% CHG


https://i.postimg.cc/BbZcnNzq/irn-chl.jpg
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/059311v1


No way, Kurds have nothing to do with the chincs from Central Asia. Modern Kurdish auDNA is almost identical to the Iron_Age Hasanlu Aryan Guto-Medes.

Aryan Iron_Age Hasanlu Guto Medes were Iran_ChL + Armenia_MLBA (Trialeti)


On the academic PCA maps Kurds overlap with the Late Maykop/Armenia_MLBA/Caucasus_MLBA people. We don't have any origin from chincs of Central Asia.

[Zoro]

Ancient CHG, Iran_N, EHG, WHG etc. don't exist anymore. They became something else. But for matter of fact Kurds are still one of the most native people of Northern West Asian and one of the ethnic gorups that are the closest to the archaic CHG. Kurds are even closer to CHG than the Chechens are.

But Kurds are derived mostly from Iran_ChL. It is the Iran_ChL ancestry that makes Kurds Western Iranic/Aryan. And that Iran_ChL ancestry is mostly derived from CHG.

Iran_ChL = 63.1% CHG


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Are you now saying kurds are 100% Iran-Chl ?? Because you just proved yesterday that Kurds are not 100% Iran-Chl by posting Dodecad k12 results for Iran-Chl showing Kurds distance 12 !! Distance 12 means Kurds can’t be more than 50% Iran-Chl

And no Hasanlu-IA from Medes period is also not close distance with pure Caucasian CHG. In fact it has about 30% admixture related to Turkmenistan-IA

You’re just digging yourself into a deeper hole each time. Give it up man

[Guti]

Are you now saying kurds are 100% Iran-Chl ?? Because you just proved yesterday that Kurds are not 100% Iran-Chl by posting Dodecad k12 results for Iran-Chl showing Kurds distance 12 !! Distance 12 means Kurds can’t be more than 50% Iran-Chl

And no Hasanlu-IA from zmede period is also not close distance with pure Caucasian CHG. In fact it has about 30% admixture related to Turkmenistan-IA

You’re just digging yourself into a deeper hole each time. Give it up manYou are in trouble not me, lmao.

Aryan Iron Age Hasanlu Guto Medes were like 40% Iran_ChL and 60% Armenia/Caucasus_MBLA Trialeti. Not only Iran_ChL had a lot CHG in it, also Armenia/Caucasus_MBLA Trialeti was for a major part CHG.


proto-Kurdic Aryan Iron_Age Hasanlu = ~40% Iran_ChL + ~60% Armenia/Caucasus_MBLA (Trialeti)


Kurds got their CHG ancestry from Iran_ChL AND from Armenia/Caucasus_MBLA.
Kurds do also got most of their Steppe ancestry from Armenia/Caucasus_MBLA people, but that's a different topic.