Bessarabian Bulgarian DNA Results - Kriptc's great-aunt

[Kriptc06]

Hello. I finally tested my great-aunt. Here is her eurogenes K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.50
2 East_Med 21.71
3 North_Atlantic 18.32
4 West_Med 17.68
5 West_Asian 13.81
6 Red_Sea 2.09


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 4.339617
2 Romanian @ 7.606429
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.870231
4 Serbian @ 12.108606
5 Moldavian @ 16.522163
6 Central_Greek @ 16.868807
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.777466
8 East_Sicilian @ 18.500799
9 Tuscan @ 19.084831
10 West_Sicilian @ 19.671057
11 Croatian @ 20.236170
12 Ashkenazi @ 20.310741
13 Hungarian @ 21.195408
14 North_Italian @ 21.330549
15 South_Italian @ 22.079697
16 Austrian @ 24.927002
17 East_German @ 26.936089
18 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 27.067699
19 Algerian_Jewish @ 28.071836
20 South_Polish @ 28.296476

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Polish @ 3.889207


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Cyprian +25% Ukrainian @ 2.318248


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Ukrainian @ 2.318248
2 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.355357
3 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.502873
4 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.512284
5 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 2.595244
6 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.729158
7 Central_Greek + Croatian + Cyprian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.734539
8 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.784637
9 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Romanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.824337
10 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.829926
11 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 2.834040
12 Central_Greek + Croatian + Cyprian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.838297
13 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Polish @ 2.844180
14 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + South_Polish @ 2.854161
15 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian @ 2.855423
16 Central_Greek + Croatian + Cyprian + Ukrainian @ 2.876552
17 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 2.919900
18 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Moldavian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.923856
19 Bulgarian + Croatian + Cyprian + Moldavian @ 2.946586
20 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.950075


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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.5
2 East_Med 21.71
3 North_Atlantic 18.32
4 West_Med 17.68
5 West_Asian 13.81
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Oceanian 0.73
8 Amerindian 0.53
9 South_Asian 0.5
10 Northeast_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.79
2 Romanian 6.61
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.73
4 Serbian 10.5
5 Moldavian 14.36
6 Central_Greek 14.88
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.7
8 East_Sicilian 16.36
9 Tuscan 16.83
10 West_Sicilian 17.4
11 Croatian 17.59
12 Ashkenazi 17.78
13 Hungarian 18.4
14 North_Italian 18.74
15 South_Italian 19.46
16 Austrian 21.55
17 East_German 23.29
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 23.59
19 South_Polish 24.69
20 Algerian_Jewish 24.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Bulgarian + 7.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.58
2 62.3% Croatian + 37.7% Cyprian @ 2.64
3 67% Moldavian + 33% Cyprian @ 2.64
4 64.9% Central_Greek + 35.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.65
5 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Assyrian @ 2.67
6 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.75
7 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.75
8 93.1% Bulgarian + 6.9% Armenian @ 2.75
9 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Iranian @ 2.78
10 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Kurdish @ 2.82
11 64.9% Central_Greek + 35.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.85
12 94.5% Bulgarian + 5.5% Abhkasian @ 2.9
13 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Azeri @ 2.93
14 94.3% Bulgarian + 5.7% Georgian @ 2.94
15 93.8% Bulgarian + 6.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.97
16 92.9% Bulgarian + 7.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.97
17 92% Bulgarian + 8% Turkish @ 2.99
18 53.8% Ukrainian + 46.2% Cyprian @ 3
19 92.6% Bulgarian + 7.4% Cyprian @ 3.02
20 93.7% Bulgarian + 6.3% Adygei @ 3.03


MTDNA H
We share 886cM

[Jana]

Pure Bulgarian result. Nice that you now got your Bulgarian ancestry confirmed.

here is her result with updated regions on K13

Distance to: Kriptc_GreatAunt

2.45104060 Gagauz
2.75706366 Pomak_Greece
3.15180900 Pomak_Bulgaria
3.71503701 Bulgarian_Southeastern
4.11956308 Bulgarian_Southcentral
4.18247534 Bulgarian_Northcentral
4.84580231 Greek_Thrace
5.04029761 Bulgarian_Northeastern
5.86109205 Aromanian
5.86955705 Macedonian_North
6.01695106 Romanian_Muntenia
6.04755322 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.10390858 Romanian_Dobruja
6.17032414 Greek_Florina
6.17487652 Bulgarian_Northwestern
6.33777564 Bulgarian_Moldova
6.85448758 Turkish_Macedonia
6.98258548 Macedonian_South
7.01590336 Turkish_Deliorman
7.17317921 Romanian_Oltenia
7.38813914 Greek_West
7.45274446 Montenegro_SouthEast
7.55874990 Albanian_Montenegro
7.59305604 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
7.70177252 Greek_CentralMacedonia

1.50532250 6.60% Greek_Pontus + 93.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.56497037 93.60% Pomak_Bulgaria + 6.40% Turkish_East-Black_Sea
1.59736348 8.40% Greek_Konya + 91.60% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.63316747 7.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 92.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.71440714 68.00% Croat_Herzegovina + 32.00% Greek_Konya
1.76112893 94.20% Pomak_Bulgaria + 5.80% Turkish_Meskheti
1.80035998 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.00% Turkish_East
1.80624375 31.60% Greek_Thrace + 68.40% Pomak_Greece
1.82146756 22.40% Greek_West + 77.60% Pomak_Greece
1.85150101 56.00% Gagauz + 44.00% Pomak_Greece
1.86265147 21.40% Greek_CentralMacedonia + 78.60% Pomak_Greece
1.86644378 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.00% Turkish_Southeast
1.87237013 19.40% Greek_Achaea + 80.60% Pomak_Greece
1.89965576 20.00% Greek_Konya + 80.00% Moldovan_South
1.91150497 7.00% Cypriot_Greek + 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.91869611 7.80% Greek_Kastellorizo + 92.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.96138579 38.00% Bulgarian_Southeastern + 62.00% Pomak_Greece
1.97117623 92.40% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.60% Turkish_Eastcentral
1.97764481 10.00% Greek_Chios + 90.00% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.98014383 8.60% Greek_Dodecanese + 91.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.98760028 13.00% Albanian_Central_Albania + 87.00% Pomak_Greece
1.98956346 14.80% Greek_Arcadia + 85.20% Pomak_Greece
1.99619932 7.80% Greek_Symi + 92.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.99805076 9.20% Greek_Kalymnos + 90.80% Pomak_Bulgaria
2.00027257 65.60% Croat_Slavonia + 34.40% Greek_Konya

[rothaer]

Pure Bulgarian result. Nice that you now got your Bulgarian ancestry confirmed.

here is her result with updated regions on K13

Distance to: Kriptc_GreatAunt

2.45104060 Gagauz
2.75706366 Pomak_Greece
3.15180900 Pomak_Bulgaria
3.71503701 Bulgarian_Southeastern
4.11956308 Bulgarian_Southcentral
4.18247534 Bulgarian_Northcentral
4.84580231 Greek_Thrace
5.04029761 Bulgarian_Northeastern
5.86109205 Aromanian
5.86955705 Macedonian_North
6.01695106 Romanian_Muntenia
6.04755322 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.10390858 Romanian_Dobruja
6.17032414 Greek_Florina
6.17487652 Bulgarian_Northwestern
6.33777564 Bulgarian_Moldova
6.85448758 Turkish_Macedonia
6.98258548 Macedonian_South
7.01590336 Turkish_Deliorman
7.17317921 Romanian_Oltenia
7.38813914 Greek_West
7.45274446 Montenegro_SouthEast
7.55874990 Albanian_Montenegro
7.59305604 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
7.70177252 Greek_CentralMacedonia

1.50532250 6.60% Greek_Pontus + 93.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.56497037 93.60% Pomak_Bulgaria + 6.40% Turkish_East-Black_Sea
1.59736348 8.40% Greek_Konya + 91.60% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.63316747 7.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 92.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.71440714 68.00% Croat_Herzegovina + 32.00% Greek_Konya
1.76112893 94.20% Pomak_Bulgaria + 5.80% Turkish_Meskheti
1.80035998 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.00% Turkish_East
1.80624375 31.60% Greek_Thrace + 68.40% Pomak_Greece
1.82146756 22.40% Greek_West + 77.60% Pomak_Greece
1.85150101 56.00% Gagauz + 44.00% Pomak_Greece
1.86265147 21.40% Greek_CentralMacedonia + 78.60% Pomak_Greece
1.86644378 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.00% Turkish_Southeast
1.87237013 19.40% Greek_Achaea + 80.60% Pomak_Greece
1.89965576 20.00% Greek_Konya + 80.00% Moldovan_South
1.91150497 7.00% Cypriot_Greek + 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.91869611 7.80% Greek_Kastellorizo + 92.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.96138579 38.00% Bulgarian_Southeastern + 62.00% Pomak_Greece
1.97117623 92.40% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.60% Turkish_Eastcentral
1.97764481 10.00% Greek_Chios + 90.00% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.98014383 8.60% Greek_Dodecanese + 91.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.98760028 13.00% Albanian_Central_Albania + 87.00% Pomak_Greece
1.98956346 14.80% Greek_Arcadia + 85.20% Pomak_Greece
1.99619932 7.80% Greek_Symi + 92.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.99805076 9.20% Greek_Kalymnos + 90.80% Pomak_Bulgaria
2.00027257 65.60% Croat_Slavonia + 34.40% Greek_Konya

Gagauz as #1?

The Gagauz people is an European-looking Turkic speaking ethnicity in the South of Besarabia. If the Great-Aunt would be a Gagauz that result would be an especially interesting genetic result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people

As for the Gagauz people it's not about Bulgars, but rather Bolgars (speculatively), that were Turkic speaking, before they got Slavicised.

[Russki]

Gagauz as #1?

The Gagauz people is an European-looking Turkic speaking ethnicity in the South of Besarabia. If the Great-Aunt would be a Gagauz that result would be an especially interesting genetic result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people

As for the Gagauz people it's not about Bulgars, but rather Bolgars (speculatively), that were Turkic speaking, before they got Slavicised.


Gagauz are identical to Bulgarians, it's been known for years.

[rothaer]

(...)

If you do know ancestral place names you can maybe determine whether they were in the Bulgar or the Gagauz people settlement area:

https://i.imgur.com/0DzTOF0.jpg

[rothaer]

Gagauz are identical to Bulgarians, it's been known for years.

Identical in what sense? They speak different languages and are different ethnicities.

[Jana]

Gagauz as #1?

The Gagauz people is an European-looking Turkic speaking ethnicity in the South of Besarabia. If the Great-Aunt would be a Gagauz that result would be an especially interesting genetic result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people

As for the Gagauz people it's not about Bulgars, but rather Bolgars (speculatively), that were Turkic speaking, before they got Slavicised.

Oh she could be a Gagauz indeed, especially since Gagauz settled Basserabia. Also she's close to Pomaks who are Bulgarian Muslims.

Thing is that both Gagauz and Pomak are essentially Bulgarian origin folk with little to none external influences.

Gagauz are pure eastern Bulgarians who got linguistically Turkified afik. They are usually more Meddish type of Bulgarians from what I saw (make sense as east Bulgarians are more south shifted than western ones)

he can check her matches, if they have Turkic or Bulgarian names.

[Jana]

Identical in what sense? They speak different languages and are different ethnicities.

It seems that Gagauz are former Bulgarians who somehow became Turkic speaking. Their DNA is identical to Bulgarians from eastern Bulgaria.

[rothaer]

It seems that Gagauz are former Bulgarians who somehow became Turkic speaking. Their DNA is identical to Bulgarians from eastern Bulgaria.

Their origin is depicted as obscure with a lot of different theories (see the Wikipedia link). And I think that DNA results are not yet taken into account so this could be really interesting.

Turkified Bulgarians? Maybe. But odd that they are mostly orthodox Christians. Like when Turks would have Turkified Balkanites that remained Christians.

[Jana]

Their origin is depicted as obscure with a lot of different theories (see the Wikipedia link). And I think that DNA results are not yet taken into account so this could be really interesting.

Turkified Bulgarians? Maybe. But odd that they are mostly orthodox Christians. Like when Turks would have Turkified Balkanites that remained Christians.

Ye they mysterious :P

but see this from wiki, well written IMO:

Population genetics

In DNA comparisons, the Gagauz were found to be more closely related genetically to neighboring southeastern European groups than to linguistically related Anatolian populations.[31] More considerable distinctions in the distribution of Y chromosome components appeared between the Gagauz and other Turkic peoples.[13]

The similarity to neighboring populations may be due to the lack of social barriers between the local and the Turkic-Orthodox populations of the Balkan Peninsula. Another possibility is language shift in accordance with the dominant minority model, i.e. Turkification.[32]

Gagauz belong to Y-DNA haplogroups I2a (23.6%), R1a (19.1%), G (13.5%), R1b (12.4%), E1b1b1a1 (11.1%), J2 (5.6%) and Haplogroup N (2.2%). Finally, the phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA situates Gagauz most proximal to Bulgarians, Macedonians, Romanians, Serbs and other Balkan populations, resulting in a high genetic distance from the Turkish people and other Turkic peoples.[33] The analyses showed that Gagauz belong to the Balkan populations, suggesting that the Gagauz language represents a case of language replacement in southeastern Europe.[34] According to a more detailed autosomal analysis of thousands of SNPs, not just of the sex chromosome, Gagauz are most proximal to ethnic Macedonians, followed by Greek Macedonians apart from Thessaloniki, and others such as Bulgarians, Romanians and Montenegrins.[35]

After a genetic comparison between the populations of the Balkans, Anatolia, and Central Asia, the results showed that the Gagauz are part of the Balkan genetic group.

[rothaer]

Ye they mysterious :P

but see this from wiki, well written IMO:

Population genetics

In DNA comparisons, the Gagauz were found to be more closely related genetically to neighboring southeastern European groups than to linguistically related Anatolian populations.[31] More considerable distinctions in the distribution of Y chromosome components appeared between the Gagauz and other Turkic peoples.[13]

The similarity to neighboring populations may be due to the lack of social barriers between the local and the Turkic-Orthodox populations of the Balkan Peninsula. Another possibility is language shift in accordance with the dominant minority model, i.e. Turkification.[32]

Gagauz belong to Y-DNA haplogroups I2a (23.6%), R1a (19.1%), G (13.5%), R1b (12.4%), E1b1b1a1 (11.1%), J2 (5.6%) and Haplogroup N (2.2%). Finally, the phylogenetic analysis of Y-DNA situates Gagauz most proximal to Bulgarians, Macedonians, Romanians, Serbs and other Balkan populations, resulting in a high genetic distance from the Turkish people and other Turkic peoples.[33] The analyses showed that Gagauz belong to the Balkan populations, suggesting that the Gagauz language represents a case of language replacement in southeastern Europe.[34] According to a more detailed autosomal analysis of thousands of SNPs, not just of the sex chromosome, Gagauz are most proximal to ethnic Macedonians, followed by Greek Macedonians apart from Thessaloniki, and others such as Bulgarians, Romanians and Montenegrins.[35]

After a genetic comparison between the populations of the Balkans, Anatolia, and Central Asia, the results showed that the Gagauz are part of the Balkan genetic group.

Yes, I just saw that I missed that!

Maybe this laguage information can also give some further hints for what happened:

"The Gagauz language belongs to the Oghuz branch of the Turkic languages, which also includes the Azerbaijani, Turkish, and Turkmen languages. The Gagauz language is particularly close to the Balkan Turkish dialects spoken in Greece, northeastern Bulgaria, and in the Kumanovo and Bitola areas of North Macedonia. The Balkan Turkic languages, including Gagauz, are a typologically interesting case, because they are closely related to Turkish and at the same time contain a North-Turkic (Tatar or Kypchak) element besides the main South-Turkic (Oghuz) element (Pokrovskaya, 1964). The modern Gagauz language has two dialects: central (or "Bulgar") and southern (or maritime).[37]"

[Aspirin]

Their origin is depicted as obscure with a lot of different theories (see the Wikipedia link). And I think that DNA results are not yet taken into account so this could be really interesting.

Turkified Bulgarians? Maybe. But odd that they are mostly orthodox Christians. Like when Turks would have Turkified Balkanites that remained Christians.

Gagauz speak an Oghuz Turkic language, the southern branch specific for today Turks and Azeris. And together with their genetic results clearly show an evident sign of recent linguistic assimilation. Cuman/pecheneg theory don't have any basis, since these old Turkic populations spoke on Kipchak languages, the northern branch of Turkic languages specific for today Tatar populations.

[rothaer]

(...) the Turkic-Orthodox populations of the Balkan Peninsula. (...)

:blink:

[Jana]

:blink:

LOL!

[rothaer]

Gagauz speak an Oghuz Turkic language, the southern branch specific for today Turks and Azeris. And together with their genetic results clearly show an evident sign of recent linguistic assimilation. Cuman/pecheneg theory don't have any basis, since these old Turkic populations spoke on Kipchak languages, the northern branch of Turkic languages specific for today Tatar populations.

How to explain this?:

"The Balkan Turkic languages, including Gagauz, are a typologically interesting case, because they are closely related to Turkish and at the same time contain a North-Turkic (Tatar or Kypchak) element besides the main South-Turkic (Oghuz) element (Pokrovskaya, 1964)."

[Aspirin]

https://i.imgur.com/0DzTOF0.jpg

Interesting, didn't know what today village Şoltоaia (Scholtoi) from my district was a German colony in the past. I thought all of German colonies were concentrated entirely in the south.

[Aspirin]

How to explain this?:

"The Balkan Turkic languages, including Gagauz, are a typologically interesting case, because they are closely related to Turkish and at the same time contain a North-Turkic (Tatar or Kypchak) element besides the main South-Turkic (Oghuz) element (Pokrovskaya, 1964)."

Probably some Tatar influence. In Dobrudja, from where Gagauz came, lived and still live today Tatar populations colonised by Turks.

[rothaer]

Interesting, didn't know what today village Şoltоaia (Scholtoi) from my district was a German colony in the past. I thought all of German colonies were concentrated entirely in the south.

It seems not to be historically related to these 1812 founded settlements in the south.

Nevertheless: https://www.scholtoi.de/

[Kriptc06]

Gagauz as #1?

The Gagauz people is an European-looking Turkic speaking ethnicity in the South of Besarabia. If the Great-Aunt would be a Gagauz that result would be an especially interesting genetic result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people

As for the Gagauz people it's not about Bulgars, but rather Bolgars (speculatively), that were Turkic speaking, before they got Slavicised.


Gagauz are identical to Bulgarians, it's been known for years.


If you do know ancestral place names you can maybe determine whether they were in the Bulgar or the Gagauz people settlement area:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/0DzTO/img]


Oh she could be a Gagauz indeed, especially since Gagauz settled Basserabia. Also she's close to Pomaks who are Bulgarian Muslims.

Thing is that both Gagauz and Pomak are essentially Bulgarian origin folk with little to none external influences.

Gagauz are pure eastern Bulgarians who got linguistically Turkified afik. They are usually more Meddish type of Bulgarians from what I saw (make sense as east Bulgarians are more south shifted than western ones)

he can check her matches, if they have Turkic or Bulgarian names.

Thanks guys for posting, I appreciate it. I will not say were exactly her parents are from, I'm afraid I will be doxxing myself, but I'll say this, there's one surname that is of Turkic origin, and the village is close to Gagauzia, so based on this I'd assume they were bulgaria/gagauz mixed. The test seems to pick it up.

Her parents were bulgarian speakers tho (my great-grandparents).

By the way if you want any more gedmatch results just ask.

[Kriptc06]

Pure Bulgarian result. Nice that you now got your Bulgarian ancestry confirmed.

here is her result with updated regions on K13

Distance to: Kriptc_GreatAunt

2.45104060 Gagauz
2.75706366 Pomak_Greece
3.15180900 Pomak_Bulgaria
3.71503701 Bulgarian_Southeastern
4.11956308 Bulgarian_Southcentral
4.18247534 Bulgarian_Northcentral
4.84580231 Greek_Thrace
5.04029761 Bulgarian_Northeastern
5.86109205 Aromanian
5.86955705 Macedonian_North
6.01695106 Romanian_Muntenia
6.04755322 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.10390858 Romanian_Dobruja
6.17032414 Greek_Florina
6.17487652 Bulgarian_Northwestern
6.33777564 Bulgarian_Moldova
6.85448758 Turkish_Macedonia
6.98258548 Macedonian_South
7.01590336 Turkish_Deliorman
7.17317921 Romanian_Oltenia
7.38813914 Greek_West
7.45274446 Montenegro_SouthEast
7.55874990 Albanian_Montenegro
7.59305604 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
7.70177252 Greek_CentralMacedonia

1.50532250 6.60% Greek_Pontus + 93.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.56497037 93.60% Pomak_Bulgaria + 6.40% Turkish_East-Black_Sea
1.59736348 8.40% Greek_Konya + 91.60% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.63316747 7.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 92.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.71440714 68.00% Croat_Herzegovina + 32.00% Greek_Konya
1.76112893 94.20% Pomak_Bulgaria + 5.80% Turkish_Meskheti
1.80035998 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.00% Turkish_East
1.80624375 31.60% Greek_Thrace + 68.40% Pomak_Greece
1.82146756 22.40% Greek_West + 77.60% Pomak_Greece
1.85150101 56.00% Gagauz + 44.00% Pomak_Greece
1.86265147 21.40% Greek_CentralMacedonia + 78.60% Pomak_Greece
1.86644378 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.00% Turkish_Southeast
1.87237013 19.40% Greek_Achaea + 80.60% Pomak_Greece
1.89965576 20.00% Greek_Konya + 80.00% Moldovan_South
1.91150497 7.00% Cypriot_Greek + 93.00% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.91869611 7.80% Greek_Kastellorizo + 92.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.96138579 38.00% Bulgarian_Southeastern + 62.00% Pomak_Greece
1.97117623 92.40% Pomak_Bulgaria + 7.60% Turkish_Eastcentral
1.97764481 10.00% Greek_Chios + 90.00% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.98014383 8.60% Greek_Dodecanese + 91.40% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.98760028 13.00% Albanian_Central_Albania + 87.00% Pomak_Greece
1.98956346 14.80% Greek_Arcadia + 85.20% Pomak_Greece
1.99619932 7.80% Greek_Symi + 92.20% Pomak_Bulgaria
1.99805076 9.20% Greek_Kalymnos + 90.80% Pomak_Bulgaria
2.00027257 65.60% Croat_Slavonia + 34.40% Greek_Konya

were can I use these updated calculators?

[Kriptc06]

K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.7 Pct
Armenian 2.38 Pct
Basque 2.06 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.26 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.81 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.39 Pct
East_Med 10.41 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.18 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 2.65 Pct
Iberian 6.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.93 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 3.06 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.5 Pct
North_Caucasian 5.86 Pct
North_Sea 4.41 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.98 Pct
West_Med 8.78 Pct
No reference data for this calculator so Oracle is unavailable.

[RogueState]

I find it quite interesting and surprising that he turns out to be more Southern than average Bulgarian, despite their location

I would have expect rather the opposite, given their location, I would have assumed they mixed with local Moldovans or Ukrainians, and to turn out more "Northern" than average Bulgarian

[Russki]

K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.7 Pct
Armenian 2.38 Pct
Basque 2.06 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.26 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.81 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.39 Pct
East_Med 10.41 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.18 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 2.65 Pct
Iberian 6.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.93 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 3.06 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.5 Pct
North_Caucasian 5.86 Pct
North_Sea 4.41 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.98 Pct
West_Med 8.78 Pct
No reference data for this calculator so Oracle is unavailable.









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[rothaer]

Kriptc_GreatAunt,0,0.7,2.38,2.06,0,7.26,0,0,5.81,0 ,11.39,10.41,11.18,0,2.65,6.66,0,8.93,0,3.06,0,2.5 ,5.86,4.41,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,5.98,8.78

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Thanks. And again Gagauz comes up as #1. The only thing that can relativate that is that we admittedly don't have references for Bulgarians in Besarabia and that these could be as close as well.

Left beside the exact ancestry of the testee (whether more or less mixed Bulgarian and Gagauz, what are the particular villages etc.) this is actually another highscore of what a DNA test can perform: In a world wide context the testee's origin is geographically close to pinpointed!

[Abriekman]

I find it quite interesting and surprising that he turns out to be more Southern than average Bulgarian, despite their location

I would have expect rather the opposite, given their location, I would have assumed they mixed with local Moldovans or Ukrainians, and to turn out more "Northern" than average Bulgarian

What is interesting is that all Bulgarian results I have seen from Ukraine all were much more southern, than average Bulgarian.


These are results of Odessa Bulgarian ( it was posted some time ago on Apricity )

K13 - Odessa_Bulgarian,19.87,21.14,16.90,13.54,23.31,2.1 0,1.79,0.80,0.13,0,0.32,0,0.10

Target: Odessa_Bulgarian
Distance: 2.2173% / 2.21730337 | R2P
67.3 Bulgaria_Southcentral
32.7 Greek_Istanbul

The same with my Bulgarian part from Ukraine, 1/5 piece of it is clearly Caucasian/West-Asian-like.

[pelikarski]

What is interesting is that all Bulgarian results I have seen from Ukraine all were much more southern, than average Bulgarian.


These are results of Odessa Bulgarian ( it was posted some time ago on Apricity )

K13 - Odessa_Bulgarian,19.87,21.14,16.90,13.54,23.31,2.1 0,1.79,0.80,0.13,0,0.32,0,0.10

Target: Odessa_Bulgarian
Distance: 2.2173% / 2.21730337 | R2P
67.3 Bulgaria_Southcentral
32.7 Greek_Istanbul

The same with my Bulgarian part from Ukraine, 1/5 piece of it is clearly Caucasian/West-Asian-like.

Are there many tested?
Some score southern, they might be Bulgarized gagauz, or mixed with locals Greeks in Ukraine, but for the most part, Bulgarians in Bessarabia are heavily mixed with Ukrainians and Russians and look on average more Slavic than the average Bulgarian

[Ratmir]

I will not say were exactly her parents are from, I'm afraid I will be doxxing myself,

How is that doxxing? There are hundreds of thousands of people in Moldova and you're not even from Europe yourself.

[Jana]

Are there many tested?
Some score southern, they might be Bulgarized gagauz, or mixed with locals Greeks in Ukraine?

How can Gaguz be Bulgariazed when they are Turkified Bulgarians themselves?
they are literally original eastern Bulgarians. Thus makes sense they will be more Med due to historical Greek influence on Black Sea coast.

But if some Ukrainian Bulgarians score much more west Asian than modern Bulgarians in Bulgaria or Gagauz do it means they are probably Pontic Greek admixed.

[Jana]

were can I use these updated calculators?

https://pastebin.com/u/Creoda
https://pastebin.com/u/Feiichy

[billErobreren]

Aren't Gagauz also Bolghar hangovers? They don't look dramatically different from Moldovans and should be closer to their neighbours, rather than anything in the Altai republic, so I'm not surprised by their relation, the first Bulgarian Tsars weren't even Slavs.

[Kriptc06]

How is that doxxing? There are hundreds of thousands of people in Moldova and you're not even from Europe yourself.

I have done extensive research on my genealogy and have been working on this over the past 6 years, If I start giving away names it wouldn't be too hard to "find me" online.

I'd rather remain cryptic, specially here, just a random person interested in genetic testing is fine.

[Jana]

Aren't Gagauz also Bolghar hangovers? They don't look dramatically different from Moldovans and should be closer to their neighbours, rather than anything in the Altai republic, so I'm not surprised by their relation, the first Bulgarian Tsars weren't even Slavs.

Gagauz have basically zero Turkic or mongoloid admixture. Moldovans and eastern Romanians have more of it than them.
They are Balkan-Slavic mix, with Balkan being stronger and having lot of late Roman Empire (Anatolian Greek) like admixture.

but whole of Balkan has that, especially eastern part.

[Kriptc06]

Gagauz have basically zero Turkic or mongoloid admixture. Moldovans and eastern Romanians have more of it than them.
They are Balkan-Slavic mix, with Balkan being stronger and having lot of late Roman Empire (Anatolian Greek) like admixture.

but whole of Balkan has that, especially eastern part.

My aunts top 10 genetic matches in GEDMatch have bulgarian and oddly enough serbian surnames, some americans (Anglo surnames) and two people with "spanish" surnames, that likely are descendants like me.

[Kriptc06]

Her FTDNA:
https://i.imgur.com/cDxkS5P.jpg

Many trace results in the Middle East and some jewish, huh