As a whole, do Egyptians look more similar to Turks or Pakistanis?

[Tooting Carmen]

Let us discuss.

[Italicus]

Definitely Pakistanis. Turks look closest to Levantines, Caucasians and Greeks. Egyptians and Pakistanis are both very dark and with very different facial features, with quite a bit of overlap to the non anthrotard.

[Tooting Carmen]

Definitely Pakistanis. Turks look closest to Levantines, Caucasians and Greeks. Egyptians and Pakistanis are both very dark and with very different facial features, with quite a bit of overlap.

I think I agree. The SSA in Egyptians probably produces similar effects to the Australoid in Pakistanis.

[Jana]

More Paki.

[Italicus]

I think I agree. The SSA in Egyptians probably produces similar effects to the Australoid in Pakistanis.

Yes, exactly this. Australoid and SSA are quite strong (and Pakistanis and Egyptians often have 20 percent or more). Whereas Turks look in between Greeks and Tajiks with a tint of mongoloid.

[Oliver109]

Pakistanis, only coastal Egyptians i.e Mohamed Al Fayed have similarity with proper Mediterranean people, the country is too dark in general to have any common European looks

[Tooting Carmen]

Pakistanis, only coastal Egyptians i.e Mohamed Al Fayed have similarity with proper Mediterranean people, the country is too dark in general to have any common European looks

Turks aren't Europeans either though (at least not fully).

[Oliver109]

Turks aren't Europeans either though (at least not fully).

Of course but a lot look it, if Georgia joins the EU they would also be considered as Europeans despite really being in Asia, the term is quite a loose one.

[Tooting Carmen]

Of course but a lot look it, if Georgia joins the EU they would also be considered as Europeans despite really being in Asia, the term is quite a loose one.

I'd estimate that around 40% of Georgians and 30% of Turks and Armenians are passable somewhere in Europe (mainly Greece and Balkans).

[Oliver109]

I'd estimate that around 40% of Georgians and 30% of Turks and Armenians are passable somewhere in Europe (mainly Greece and Balkans).

Agree, Georgians are the most European of the lot, N Caucasians in Russia are probably 50-60% European looking

[Tooting Carmen]

Agree, Georgians are the most European of the lot, N Caucasians in Russia are probably 50-60% European looking

In contrast, returning to the main topic, maybe 2% of Egyptians and even fewer Pakistanis are passable somewhere in Europe?

[axel.aleman]

Neither of them
Egyptian look more similar to other Northern African and Peninsular Arabs

[Oliver109]

In contrast, returning to the main topic, maybe 2% of Egyptians and even fewer Pakistanis are passable somewhere in Europe?

Probably 5% of Egyptians and maybe 0.5% of Pakistanis pass in Europe i think

[Tooting Carmen]

Probably 5% of Egyptians

Would you even say it is that high, given that Egyptians are probably the most SSA-admixed MENAs bar Southern Moroccans, Yemenis and Omanis?

[Oliver109]

Would you even say it is that high, given that Egyptians are probably the most SSA-admixed MENAs bar Southern Moroccans, Yemenis and Omanis?

Maybe as i dunno perhaps 20% in the north coast look European to an extent and maybe 10% in Cairo, we would have to see pictures to make a proper judgement though, southern Egypt might be less European looking than Peshawar and northern Pakistan.

[Tooting Carmen]

Maybe as i dunno perhaps 20% in the north coast look European to an extent and maybe 10% in Cairo, we would have to see pictures to make a proper judgement though, southern Egypt might be less European looking than Peshawar and northern Pakistan.

(1) Even the non-SSA admixed Egyptians are usually still pretty dark and Arabian-like. (2) I don't doubt that Egyptians are at least marginally more European-shifted than Pakistanis, but I dispute that the percentage difference is so big.

[Oliver109]

(1) Even the non-SSA admixed Egyptians are usually still pretty dark and Arabian-like. (2) I don't doubt that Egyptians are at least marginally more European-shifted than Pakistanis, but I dispute that the percentage difference is so big.

I would think quite a few N Egyptians pass as darker Greeks especially Cypriots, proper Europeans would be rare though like 1%, might be even more common in some parts of northern Pakistan like among the Hunza and Kalash, more European looking than any Egyptian population but tiny in number.

[placebo]

2 northwesterner european talking about near east and balkans without knows nothing lol, already 40-50% of turkish population balkan turk, western anatolian turk or mixed of both which makes most of them already genetically euro cluster but of course with some mongoloid. but after all balkanites also have exotic types especially for northwest europe standarts.

though the northern part of the east turkey is also genetically close to the georgian population, "which is 40% of them can pass as european lol" (they're also probably 10% of population) (euro cluster thing already means nothing, georgians already genetically most distant population to europe in west asia but they can pass better in most parts of europe than other ethnicities)

can pass is not thing even some people think i can pass in some places in europe (i have slanted eyes lol) even irl some people thought i'm bulgarian. did that get me counted in the 30%? if i can pass 90% of turks can pass lol. all europe is already not same, specifying it with a percentage is just ridiculous.

[Tooting Carmen]

2 northwesterner european talking about near east and balkans without knows nothing lol, already 40-50% of turkish population balkan turk, western anatolian turk or mixed of both which makes most of them already genetically euro cluster but of course with some mongoloid. but after all balkanites also have exotic types especially for northwest europe standarts.

though the northern part of the east turkey is also genetically close to the georgian population, "which is 40% of them can pass as european lol" (they're also probably 10% of population) (euro cluster thing already means nothing, georgians already genetically most distant population to europe in west asia but they can pass better in most parts of europe than other ethnicities)

can pass is not thing even some people think i can pass in some places in europe (i have slanted eyes lol) even irl some people thought i'm bulgarian. did that get me counted in the 30%? if i can pass 90% of turks can pass lol. all europe is already not same, specifying it with a percentage is just ridiculous.

Well OK, but returning to topic, how similar (or not) do you find Turks and Egyptians? And do the latter look closer to Turks or Pakistanis?

[placebo]

Well OK, but returning to topic, how similar (or not) do you find Turks and Egyptians? And do the latter look closer to Turks or Pakistanis?

btw don't get me wrong lol i'm not owd XD just saying specifying it with a percentage is ridiculous because i'm sure a turk or a georgian or a armenian can pass better in balkans (especially east balkan) or southern europe than a irish or norwegian.

neither, but more as pakistani. some ssa mixed types of egyptians closer to some pakistani types but some egyptians looks just mediterranean, this type egyptians can pass better as turkish imo.

[Tooting Carmen]

btw don't get me wrong lol i'm not owd XD just saying specifying it with a percentage is ridiculous because i'm sure a turk or a georgian or a armenian can pass better in balkans (especially east balkan) or southern europe than a irish or norwegian.

Compared to Norwegians and other Scandinavians absolutely. Compared to the Irish and British, however, is more debatable, given the high number of brunettes and to some extent quasi-Med types they themselves have.


neither, but more as pakistani. some ssa mixed types of egyptians closer to some pakistani types but some egyptians looks just mediterranean, this type egyptians can pass better as turkish imo.

Makes sense.

[Voskos]

In terms of having shitty racialist colonialist views, TC owes the world a second coming out.

[Tooting Carmen]

In terms of having shitty racialist colonialist views, TC owes the world a second coming out.

What do you mean?

[Voskos]

What do you mean?

that you're a good bloke but still somewhat racialist.

[Tooting Carmen]

that you're a good bloke but still somewhat racialist.

I am interested in differences between races and nations, but unlike quite a few other people in this forum I don't believe in there being a hierarchy of any sort between them.

[Melonman]

Egyptians look more west asian than pakistanis, but obviously as whole look more paki than turkish

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Depends on the type of Egyptian, no?

Funnily enough, the only "Egyptians" I'd seen as a teen, were on tv, and one of them was from The Mummy ("sons of the pharaohs!") - Dr. Bey, played by Erick Avari (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0042805/?ref_=nm_mv_close). I found out he wasn't even Egyptian, but born in Bengal (Darjeeling, West Bengal).

A few years back, I met an actual Egyptian guy, a Christian Coptic. And he looked EXACTLY like Erick Avari. Lol!

Funnily enough, he thought I was Coptic, too!

Anyway, the other Egyptian I'd seen was Omar Sharif and he looked VERY Pakistani.


So, as far as the topic goes, I'd say closer to Pakistani than Turkish but then, weird subgroups can look very, VERY different.

[Melonman]

Depends on the type of Egyptian, no?

Funnily enough, the only "Egyptians" I'd seen as a teen, were on tv, and one of them was from The Mummy ("sons of the pharaohs!") - Dr. Bey, played by Erick Avari (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0042805/?ref_=nm_mv_close). I found out he wasn't even Egyptian, but born in Bengal (Darjeeling, West Bengal).

A few years back, I met an actual Egyptian guy, a Christian Coptic. And he looked EXACTLY like Erick Avari. Lol!

Funnily enough, he thought I was Coptic, too!

Anyway, the other Egyptian I'd seen was Omar Sharif and he looked VERY Pakistani.


So, as far as the topic goes, I'd say closer to Pakistani than Turkish but then, weird subgroups can look very, VERY different.


erick is parsi though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Avari

but yeah, many egyptians look somewhat similiar to pakistanis, but most look distinctly west asian and many even just like levantines

[Kyp]

Neither

[Pro.crasti.nation]

erick is parsi though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Avari


Yeah, I read that. Fascinating stuff ... His family have been in Bengal for longer than mine! lol
He looks really Semitic, no? I thought he was well cast as an Egyptian museum curator in The Mummy.

[Tooting Carmen]

A friend of mine who isn't especially into anthro stuff visited Egypt, and he told me that the people there were on the whole a lot lighter-skinned than he expected and (to use his words, not mine) look more like Spaniards than Indians.

[Avicenna]

A friend of mine who isn't especially into anthro stuff visited Egypt, and he told me that the people there were on the whole a lot lighter-skinned than he expected and (to use his words, not mine) look more like Spaniards than Indians.

Where did he go? I've been there twice ( hurghada) and imagine otherwise.

[Tooting Carmen]

Where did he go? I've been there twice ( hurghada) and imagine otherwise.

I cannot remember, but I think mostly the northern coast. (He went scuba-diving there IIRC).

[reboun]

None. Egyptians are too SSA to look similar to Turks and Pakistanis.

[Avicenna]

I cannot remember, but I think mostly the northern coast. (He went scuba-diving there IIRC).

I think people have a very warped view of both Spaniards ( people think they all look like busquets when in reality your average Spaniard looks like Fernando Torres, and a warped a view about Indians, everyone thinks they look like a south Indian Tamil).

To answer the question it's obviously Pakistan, why? Just based on the the fact that both counties have iranic groups ( Kurds and pashtuns/Baloch). Also Turks and Pakistanis share robust features with slight turanid admxiture, whereas with Egypt they don't share any particular phenotype. Pure meds are not present in either country as far I know, I've been to both.

Pakistani Pashtuns ( I think attock, so near the indus river)


https://youtu.be/DY8kwvr3TKI?si=1XdNLYMc4fs5K0H-

Mingora Swat


https://youtu.be/jAxKvnlygKY?si=D9wWt_EwpLK-GPJt

Waziristan near Afghan border


https://youtu.be/98zmiHi4jPk?si=xYz-jZti3c03ir36

[Kess]

Neither