What's up with Anthrogenica? (16th of July 2022)

[rothaer]

Does anyone know what's up with Anthrogenica? It's offline since kind of two days.

[PLogan]

The domain server says it expired on 7/14. Curious if they haven't renewed it?

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[Guti]

Just bad losers. They were wrong about everything and were spreading their stupid retard propaganda for years. And when they found out that 1st stage PIEan homeland is located in Northwestern Iran they pulled out the plug.

I heard they found some native Northwestern Iranic Y-DNA lineages that were also found in Steppe Maykop. And those lineages were older than those in Yamnaya.


checkmate for them

[rothaer]

The domain server says it expired on 7/14. Curious if they haven't renewed it?

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Wow!

If they would have intended to quit the platform they would likely have made an announcement. So likely something unplanned...

[Defcon2]

The donations did not reach them?

[kingmob]

Just bad losers. They were wrong about everything and were spreading their stupid retard propaganda for years. And when they found out that 1st stage PIEan homeland is located in Northwestern Iran they pulled the plug.

I heard they found some native Northwestern Iranic Y-DNA lineages that were also found in Steppe Maykop. And those lineages were older than those in Yamnaya.


checkmate for them


This ... I predict a lot of enthusiasts ragequitting for similar reasons.

Maybe I am wrong, who knows.


PS. I was banned on anthrogenica at the request of certain "mainlander Greeks" complaining to the idiot mods, because of my ethnographic/historical posts portraying a much different reality to their 'we wuz' LARP. I invite them all here to discourse, where I am not censored.

[Guti]

This ... I predict a lot of enthusiasts ragequitting for similar reasons.

Maybe I am wrong, who knows.


PS. I was banned on anthrogenica at the request of certain "mainlander Greeks" complaining to the idiot mods, because of my ethnographic/historical posts portraying a much different reality to their 'we wuz' LARP. I invite them all here to discourse, where I am not censored.The site was very good at ignoring academic results and trying to twist the results into their own advantage. Very degenerate methodology of you ask me.

They were also very desperate in their claims.

I can remember that first they claimed that there was absolutely no CHG/Iran_N is the steppes.
Later they tried to adapt to the reality and claimed that there was some CHG, but it was just native and not a result of migration from the ‘south’, lmao.
Then they tried to portray CHG, Iran_ChL and Iran_N very distinct and different from each other. Like CHG and Iran_N were of different race. It was done by the same people who claimed that EHG is same as WHG, while the distance between EHG and WHG is by much greater than the distance between CHG and Iran_N.


Now they can't face the truth and humiliation and just cancelled the whole site. I do understand that it is a free speech and everybody has a right to have an opinion. But the site was spreading the most degenerate views, lol. And now they can’t do it any longer, because the majority will see how silly they are. So, because they can't hide anymore, they might have just took a step back.

Also many careers of researchers will be destroyed if they don't accept reality and move on. Some people can bitch as much as they want about their theories but when their thoughts are proven wrong, outdated and when they are trying to ignore evidences they will move nowhere and just tank their progress/career.


Just a wishful thinking of me, now back to earth and reality.


Maybe I can be all wrong. I don't know the real reason behind AG and maybe they will come back in few weeks.

Btw, it doesn't matter for me if that site exists or not. I was not visiting it anymore anyway. Everybody has freedom to ridicule him or herself.

I was banned by anti-Kurdish Azeri/Turkic and Assyrian mods of that site, because I said that Kurds are native people to Kurdistan and that 1st PIEan homeland was in West Asia. One of the founders of that site was for sure a Turk/Azeri and he liked spreading misinformation and lies about the Kurds.

[Russki]

Should we expect a refugee wave from Anthrogenica?

[Jana]

Good riddance. I got permabanned when I claimed Croats are genetically far from northeastern Italians.

[mitalit]

I hope it come back, one of the few serious places to learn and talk about genetics

[J. Ketch]

Don't care for their political correctness and OTT moderation, but there were some informative threads and knowledgeable posters there, so it's a shame if it's gone for good. I was looking forward to the updates and discussion on the Anglo-Saxon paper this month.


Should we expect a refugee wave from Anthrogenica?
Unlikely, but a few old members might return sporadically.

[gixajo]

And I was harassed by pm and threatened with ban for "causing troubles" with "absurd baseless theories" for saying that that the Jews recently expelled from Spain and Portugal in 1492 and 1498 had to have, after being here 1200 years, enough Iberian admixture right at the time of expulsion.

A few days later, and having almost forgotten about all that, I was banned , I think for a week. When that week passed, they extended my punishment for no reason until about a month.

After that I was also banned for naming the nikname of a Spaniard who is unmentionable in that forum (Gaska), who has a different theory from the official and majority one about the expansion of certain paternal lineages in Europe, something that apparently is taboo to mention.. Just to say his name joking and I was banned.

Here I have also been banned twice absurdly both times, but at least Loki is sincere and acts like what he is. If something bothers him, he bans you, and he doesn't usually camouflage the ban with supposed logical pretexts, it's enough that he doesn't like what you say, and once the indignation passes, he talks to you.

[JamesBond007]

I hope it come back, one of the few serious places to learn and talk about genetics

What ? Most science outside of physics is politically motivated statistical manipulation. For instance, if genetics shows that blacks are the least intelligence race it will be surpressed but if it is somehow linked to IQ tests the methodology would be shoddy, anyway. Even though, the DSM has been shown to be unscientific you will have scientists, funded by rich people, who do not like to pay for 'unproductive people' looking for genetic causes of 'mental disorders' :

"Psychiatric insiders have openly admitted the lack of science to their area of operations. Allen Frances (cited in Whitaker and Cosgrove 2015: 61), for example, has recently stated that the mental disorders given in the DSM are “better understood as no more than currently convenient constructs or heuristics that allow [psychiatrists] to communicate with one another.” This has included the classic constructs of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder (formerly manic-depression), of which the mental health researcher Joel Paris at the Department of Psychiatry, McGill University, has admitted “[i]n reality, we do not know whether [such] conditions … are true diseases” (cited in Whitaker and Cosgrove 2015: 61). Even National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) director and strong advocate of biomedical psychiatry, Thomas Insel (cited in Masson 2015: xii), announced on the release of the DSM-5 in 2013 that the categories of mental disorder lacked validity and NIMH would no longer be using such diagnoses for research purposes.Despite the claims to “progress” made by official historians of psychiatry such as Lieberman and Shorter, there is no evidence for the supposed “science” of psychiatry. There is no test for any mental illness, no proof of causation, no evidence of successful “treatment” that relates specifically to an individual disorder, and no accurate prediction of future cases. Thus, the claim that psychiatric constructs are real disease has not been proven. .." --Bruce, C. Psychiatric Hegemony : A Marxist Theory of Mental Illness

^ I only quote one book here because I don't want to flood the thread

[gixajo]

I hope it come back, one of the few serious places to learn and talk about genetics

It´s a place where we can learn a lot about many things from many people, but some of their moderators are more intransgent and intolerant in his "scientific" positions than Loki in his religious positions.

They do not tolerate the slightest deviation from what they consider to be true, in comparison TA is an oasis of freedom.

When some take science as a religion, they are much worse than very believing people.

It's a compliment to you Loki, don't ban me, please.:)

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The best stuff is always the first to go away.

[vader]

I like anthrogenica for the seriousness like Ard said. And I'm really only into science approach when it comes to these types of forums, especially now. When I first joined this site I got weaved in to learn more ab my genetics but got pushed into phenotype discussion. It's a fun thing to play with but it's not a serious topic compared to scientific genetic topics. On anthrogenica I'd never participate in any threads unrelated to Iberian genetics because I know I'd get completely roasted for either not knowing enough, or saying something a user may disagree with. I've never been banned from anthrogenica... But at the same time I know not to get too deep, or too controversial or I could risk a ban. On here I know what I did to get a ban and I respect that. I can't speak to anthrogenica... Bc again I've never been banned. There are bans that make a lot of sense, where people get way off topic, or become too immature with racial undertones. But probably not something to warrant a perma ban with no possibilities for a second chance.

I'm simply facinated by human genetics and how we became the way we are. But these forums always become way too politically driven. The agendas can make a civilized scientific discussion into a circle jerk wild fire with unkempt nationalism. It's not necessary for a place like anthrogenica.

[mitalit]

It´s a place where we can learn a lot about many things from many people, but some of their moderators are more intransgent and intolerant in his "scientific" positions than Loki in his religious positions.

They do not tolerate the slightest deviation from what they consider to be true, in comparison TA is an oasis of freedom.

When some take science as a religion, they are much worse than very believing people.

It's a compliment to you Loki, don't ban me, please.:)

Both forums are fine in their style. But it's nice to read from time to time things where 90% aren't manipulation attempts full of lies.

[gixajo]

Both forums are fine in their style. But it's nice to read from time to time things where 90% aren't manipulation attempts full of lies.

Of course, I want AG back.

They are two forums from which to spread agendas, they only differ in the ways of doing it. :thumb001:

[Halgurd]

Just bad losers. They were wrong about everything and were spreading their stupid retard propaganda for years. And when they found out that 1st stage PIEan homeland is located in Northwestern Iran they pulled out the plug.

I heard they found some native Northwestern Iranic Y-DNA lineages that were also found in Steppe Maykop. And those lineages were older than those in Yamnaya.


checkmate for them

Yes, Kurdistan is the home of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. David Reich's team came to this conclusion. Just waiting for the paper to be published now.

[Guti]

Yes, Kurdistan is the home of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. David Reich's team came to this conclusion. Just waiting for the paper to be published now.
I have been telling & yelling this for the last 20 YEARS! Everybody ridiculed me including other 'Kurds'.

I want to know if that ancient 6000 years old Yezidi temple in Lalish belonged to the ancient proto-Indo-European people or proto-Western Iranic people.



Btw, I thin AG is down to stop the leaks. Everyday more and more leaks came in and were reported on that site and the only solution was to shut it down before those articles are published.

[Halgurd]

I have been telling & yelling this for the last 20 YEARS! Everybody ridiculed me including other 'Kurds'.

I want to know if that ancient 6000 years old Yezidi temple in Lalish belonged to the ancient proto-Indo-European people or proto-Western Iranic people.



Btw, I thin AG is down to stop the leaks. Everyday more and more leaks came in and were reported on that site and the only solution was to shut it down before those articles are published.

I want to know why the paper has still not been published. Any clues? It was first announced last month.

[Guti]

I don't know anthing about that.

[lei.talk]

visiting the co-founder's blog (https://www.blogger.com/profile/16689998564656086919)
and clicking on "My Web Page" produces an advertisement to purchase the name:



https://i.imgur.com/NOS6WCu.png



alternatively,
one might click-on "Email" and ask him.



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[Rædwald]

Good riddance, they hated fun anyway.

[Michalis Moriopoulos]

Getting the word out:

Yes, Anthrogenica (which I co-founded in 2012) is currently down, most likely because of a domain name expiration. I have reached out to the administrator (I know him personally) but have not been able to get a hold of him yet. I'm hoping some mutual friends will be able to help, but I am not optimistic at the moment. Hopefully we will get to the bottom of what's going on and save the forum, but you never know what's going on in someone's life.

In the meantime, AG's community will exist in Discord form. We've always needed a place to go when the forum was down anyway (for maintenance, DDOS attacks, etc.). If you are an AG refugee, please email me (xcalator1@yahoo.com) and tell me who you were on the forum so I can approve you and send you a Discord invite. AG is a non-ethnocentric, cosmopolitan community; there's no serious alternative to it out there that I know of. We're going to find a way to keep the community together because it would be a tremendous loss to the hobbyist community if the cultured forum we've built over the past decade were to just disappear. I'm hoping this Discord will suffice as a meeting place for now.

[lacreme]

Getting the word out:

Yes, Anthrogenica (which I co-founded in 2012) is currently down, most likely because of a domain name expiration. I have reached out to the administrator (I know him personally) but have not been able to get a hold of him yet. I'm hoping some mutual friends will be able to help, but I am not optimistic at the moment. Hopefully we will get to the bottom of what's going on and save the forum, but you never know what's going on in someone's life.

In the meantime, AG's community will exist in Discord form. We've always needed a place to go when the forum was down anyway (for maintenance, DDOS attacks, etc.). If you are an AG refugee, please email me (xcalator1@yahoo.com) and tell me who you were on the forum so I can approve you and send you a Discord invite. AG is a non-ethnocentric, cosmopolitan community; there's no serious alternative to it out there that I know of. We're going to find a way to keep the community together because it would be a tremendous loss to the hobbyist community if the cultured forum we've built over the past decade were to just disappear. I'm hoping this Discord will suffice as a meeting place for now.

Has anyone (or you) managed to make a copy of the site? It would be devastating if all the contained info gets lost forever...
Discord unfortunately can't replace a forum so I'm hoping for the best.

[Melonman]

Good riddance, they hated fun anyway.

but it wasnt supposed to be ''fun'', especially theapricity ''fun''. just informative.
you want ''fun'' with meade's 100's of threads about himself, ''who's whiter'' threads and all other sorts of weird shit?
thats what theapricity is for
im glad anthrogenica never went that road

[Melonman]

Just bad losers. They were wrong about everything and were spreading their stupid retard propaganda for years. And when they found out that 1st stage PIEan homeland is located in Northwestern Iran they pulled out the plug.

I heard they found some native Northwestern Iranic Y-DNA lineages that were also found in Steppe Maykop. And those lineages were older than those in Yamnaya.


checkmate for them

could you show those samples

[kingmob]

thats what theapricity is for



At least there is no censorship here. Something to ponder.

You could be as polite and as constructive as possible there and still get banned because you posted something that dared challenge the established narrative. In the end, there was nothing more than a circle jerk of talking heads in an echo chamber agreeing with each other.

[lei.talk]

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[Renekton]

Miss the site I usually posted there...


Let's hope they will fix it

[Guti]

could you show those samplesThe paper is not published yet, but expect something like this with some extra twist, hehe:
What we know from previous papers, according to David Reich, Steppe Maykop was ancestral to and became at one point Yamnaya itself. And we have actual data from previous papers that show that there was a migration from the south into Maykop Horizon.

Also, watch from min 22:10 what he has to say about Sintashta and Andronovo. According to him Sintasthta had some EEF ancestry that he didn't find in India. He is actually ruling out that there was a direct Sintashta migration into India, because he couldn't find EEF ancestry in India.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ybYxg2vHE

[Melonman]

The paper is not published yet, but expect something like this with some extra twist, hehe:
What we know from previous papers, according to David Reich, Steppe Maykop was ancestral to and became at one point Yamnaya itself. And we have actual data from previous papers that show that there was a migration from the south into Maykop Horizon.

Also, watch from min 22:10 what he has to say about Sintashta and Andronovo. According to him Sintasthta had some EEF ancestry that he didn't find in India. He is actually ruling out that there was a direct Sintashta migration into India, because he couldn't find EEF ancestry in India.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ybYxg2vHE

im pretty sure there were no direct sintashta migration towards india. their descendants, children of both central asian farmers, BMAC, and steppe nomads, went into india

i dont believe in out-of india bs

[Guti]

im pretty sure there were no direct sintashta migration towards india. their descendants, children of both central asian farmers, BMAC, and steppe nomads, went into india

i dont believe in out-of india bsNobody is talking here about OOI theory.

Sintashta was R1a-Z93 < R-Z2124.
Indian R1a-Z93 belongs to a different branch.

[Melonman]

Nobody is talking here about OOI theory.

Sintashta was R1a-Z93 < R-Z2124.
Indian R1a-Z93 belongs to a different branch.

ah, ok, i didnt see the ''ruled out'', just thought it said ''ruled that there was direct migration''

yeah, thats definetly true.

[NSXD60]

Bullshit theory that Aryans had mixed with BMAC natives before entering India is disproved by the considerable percentage of R1a there today which would be negligible if they no longer looked predominately PIE upon entrance.

[Kaazi]

The paper is not published yet, but expect something like this with some extra twist, hehe:
What we know from previous papers, according to David Reich, Steppe Maykop was ancestral to and became at one point Yamnaya itself. And we have actual data from previous papers that show that there was a migration from the south into Maykop Horizon.

Also, watch from min 22:10 what he has to say about Sintashta and Andronovo. According to him Sintasthta had some EEF ancestry that he didn't find in India. He is actually ruling out that there was a direct Sintashta migration into India, because he couldn't find EEF ancestry in India.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ybYxg2vHE

Wtf. There's clear EEF admixture in South Asia. It doesn't necessarily have to be Sintashta but it must be other similar Steppe proxies from that periphery.



Nobody is talking here about OOI theory.

Sintashta was R1a-Z93 < R-Z2124.
Indian R1a-Z93 belongs to a different branch.

R-Z93>R-L657 There are some Z2124 Brahmins as well, so part of Vedic LBA.

I've made a "Indo-Aryan LBA ghost" extracted from Haryana Rors, UP Brahmins, Nepali Brahmins and a Bihari Brahmin in genoplot. You can check it out. Basically Steppe MLBA+ BMAC + Steppe EBA/WSHG. KGZ-BA (Aigyrzhal like) seems to have clear impact on Indo-Aryan LBA.

[Melonman]

Bullshit theory that Aryans had mixed with BMAC natives before entering India is disproved by the considerable percentage of R1a there today which would be negligible if they no longer looked predominately PIE upon entrance.

why is that bs

the steppe ancestry is male-mediated, not female
hence why the male paternal haplogroups

[Guti]

Bullshit theory that Aryans had mixed with BMAC natives before entering India is disproved by the considerable percentage of R1a there today which would be negligible if they no longer looked predominately PIE upon entrance.
There were not 'Aryans' in the Steppes at that time. Do you have any evidence what language those Sintashta people spoke, lol? Vedic/Hindu/Indo-Aryan people in Northern India had a lot BMAC ancestry in them.

[Guti]

There was a some type of migration from the Steppes into Northern India around 1500BC. It happened after the so called 'Sintashta culture' disappeared.
There was also some migration from BMAC into the 'Andronovo horizon'.

Furthermore, there is a big difference between Indo-Aryans and Aryans.

Indo-Aryans were Hindu or Vedic
Aryan people were 'Iranic'.

Also, real 'Aryans' who invaded Southcentral Asian regions came from 'Yaz'

[rothaer]

There was a some type of migration from the Steppes into Northern India around 1500BC. It happened after the so called 'Sintashta culture' disappeared.
There was also some migration from BMAC into the 'Andronovo horizon'.

Furthermore, there is a big difference between Indo-Aryans and Aryans.

Indo-Aryans were Hindu or Vedic
Aryan people were 'Iranic'.

Also, real 'Aryans' who invaded Southcentral Asian regions came from 'Yaz'

Please don't derail this thread with that topic. Please open a separate one.

[rothaer]

Anthrogenica was interesting also because these who published papers had an eye on that forum and it was one of the few and smooth possibilities to forward information and ideas to them.

[papa diddy pop]

Anthrogenica was interesting also because these who published papers had an eye on that forum and it was one of the few and smooth possibilities to forward information and ideas to them.

I never saw an academic posting on anthrofaggica but they do on eurogenes blog

[papa diddy pop]

I miss the very old days of forumbiodiversity, it was mix of here (the free speech and insults :cool:) and anthrogenica ( threads made by people with 3 Digit IQ).

I miss anthrogenica for the interesting discussions and a easy way to get informed on the latest dna papers but I will not miss many anthrogenica members / moderators that were either autistic, self-centered, condescending, hypocrite and intolerant so overall I'd say good riddance !

[papa diddy pop]

Just bad losers. They were wrong about everything and were spreading their stupid retard propaganda for years. And when they found out that 1st stage PIEan homeland is located in Northwestern Iran they pulled out the plug.

I heard they found some native Northwestern Iranic Y-DNA lineages that were also found in Steppe Maykop. And those lineages were older than those in Yamnaya.


checkmate for them

First of all this is false and secondly it doesn't even matter, The super mega giga alpha R1b Chads fucked yo sistas

[J. Ketch]

Seems to be back online.