Multiple choice; Which populations overlap with the Portuguese?

[Sikeliot]

Keeping it European this time!

Multiple choice.

[Mordid]

Spaniards.

[Sikeliot]

I made it multiple choice and needed a new thread but wanted to keep it European.

[Mordid]

I made it multiple choice and needed a new thread but wanted to keep it European.
YOU'RE FUCKING COOL! :)

[Sikeliot]

Indeed I am ;)

[SilverKnight]

Keeping it European this time!

Multiple choice.

Maltese, Italian, Sicilian, Spaniards, and Greeks until some extent.

[Damião de Góis]

You can find individual people that look like anything, like this guy who looks russian:

http://blog.pormenores.pt/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/img_7015.jpg

But in general we look southern european,

http://www.jn.pt/Storage/JN/2011/big/ng1474196.jpg

so i'm guessing we overlap with those.

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[Damião de Góis]

Also, i think this kind of questions should be asked from an individual point of view because not everyone looks the same.

Tell me where she might pass:

W26cZLAFGMg

And now her:

lU6zbbjiefU

or her for example?

eDgTpAOqM4A

[Sikeliot]

First girl; British, French
Second; Spanish only
Third; Spain, Sardinia, Italy, Corsica etc.

[Logan]

I would think some, mostly with the first four on the list.

[Lábaru]

I have a question for Alex or other Portuguese, you can find these types in Portugal in reasonable quantities? I mean their facial features.

They are Cantabrians, ignore the joke of the first thirty seconds:

ZCkEFpDPhag

[Damião de Góis]

I have a question for Alex or other Portuguese, you can find these types in Portugal in reasonable quantities? I mean their facial features.

They are Cantabrians, ignore the joke of the first thirty seconds:


Hum... face features? I would say no. But i'm only speaking for Lisbon and it's surroundings because it's where i'm from. But then again they wouldn't stand out. Only if you had a second look, if you know what i mean.

[Boudica]

I don't know much regarding the subject, but I do know that Portuguese people are some of the most beautiful people, and I don't know what 1 group they would overlap with but I would just say Southern European..

[Sikeliot]

but I do know that Portuguese people are some of the most beautiful people

Of course I can't disagree with you here. :D

[Lábaru]

Hum... face features? I would say no. But i'm only speaking for Lisbon and it's surroundings because it's where i'm from. But then again they wouldn't stand out. Only if you had a second look, if you know what i mean.


Thanks, I've lived a few months in Lisbon, I know the city. And these types? they are Basque.

DIRsM0Pzebg

Cantabrian and Basque both would be out of place in France for example, speaking of facial features.

[Damião de Góis]

Thanks, I've lived a few months in Lisbon, I know the city. And these types? they are Basque.

Cantabrian and Basque both would be out of place in France for example, speaking of facial features.

I don't think Basque looks would be too common here. You lived in Lisbon? Did you like the city? :)

Here's a bunch of people from there (the people only show starting at 1:11):

xATZlLzbQu0

[Lábaru]

I don't think Basque looks would be too common here. You lived in Lisbon? Did you like the city? :)


I liked the River Tajo and the food, specially the pastel de Belém.

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[billErobreren]

Spaniards & the French most of all.

[Sikeliot]

I could've left Spain out because almost everyone will pick it.

[Incal]

I could've left Spain out because almost everyone will pick it.

Because it's obvious.

[Sikeliot]

I can't exclude it now though.

[StonyArabia]

They overlap with French, Spain and parts of the British Isles.

[HungAryan]

Spaniards, French, Irish, Britis

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[Laubach]

You forgot Luxembourg. Luxembourg become "portuguese" very soon, hehehhe

I vote in Spain

[Sikeliot]

You forgot Luxembourg. Luxembourg become "portuguese" very soon, hehehhe

I vote in Spain

Are a lot of Portuguese moving there? :D

[Laubach]

Are a lot of Portuguese moving there? :D

there are 58,657 inhabitants with Portuguese nationality. The Luxembourg population are 511,840 inhabitants.

The Luxembourguers are mixed between frenchs and germans, but represent 63% of the population.

The Portuguese immigration is increasing. When i went to the country did not have to speak Luxembourgish, because I do not know, but I understand because it is a language close to German. I did not have to speak French and did not have to speak German. Everywhere I found a Portuguese

[Comte Arnau]

Spaniards and, to some extent, Catalans.

[Gratis]

Only voted Spaniards.

[Sikeliot]

From an observational standpoint it's interesting how most only chose Spain.

[Lábaru]

From an observational standpoint it's interesting how most only chose Spain.

Not is rare, Iberian are extremely isolated, people have trouble finding similar faces outside our borders.

[Gratis]

From an observational standpoint it's interesting how most only chose Spain.

I don't think anyone is really close with Iberians, not even the Mediterranean islanders. And if anyone overlaps it's the southern French, not the Sicilians, Maltese or Greeks.

[Libertas]

I don't think anyone is really close with Iberians, not even the Mediterranean islanders. And if anyone overlaps it's the southern French, not the Sicilians, Maltese or Greeks.

Exactly or rather the south-west French not Provencals:thumbs up

[Peyrol]

Keeping it European this time!

Multiple choice.

Iberians (Cantabrian and Leonense peoples).

[Sikeliot]

Iberians (Cantabrian and Leonense peoples).

Outside of Iberia which ones would you say? I should have excluded Spain since most people just picked Spain and didn't even look down the rest of the list. :lol:

[Peyrol]

Here.

Indeed, we are very similars.

[Sikeliot]

Here.

Indeed, we are very similars.

Apart from the Dinaric type of northern Italians you're probably right.

[Comte Arnau]

Outside of Iberia which ones would you say? I should have excluded Spain since most people just picked Spain and didn't even look down the rest of the list. :lol:

When you certainly find types in Spain that are uncommon in Portugal.

[Damião de Góis]

When you certainly find types in Spain that are uncommon in Portugal.

And vice-versa :)

[Comte Arnau]

And vice-versa :)

Dunno. To me all you Western Iberians look alike. :D

[Lábaru]

And vice-versa :)

Show me one plz.


When you certainly find types in Spain that are uncommon in Portugal.

For example?

[Damião de Góis]

Show me one plz.


I don't know Spain that well, what about these two singers?

BuNDyEC2oKc

MdI7OiKufp8

or maybe her?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ldzt_g3myFg/TBkwlJMlj9I/AAAAAAAAAJg/9IARuczRMIw/s1600/09lim600.jpg

[Alvarado]

I don't know Spain that well, what about these two singers?

They would pass unnoticed here.

[Damião de Góis]

They would pass unnoticed here.

I wasn't suggesting they would. More like that their faces would be a little different.

[Lábaru]

They would pass unnoticed here.

This.

But in Spain, I think, we can find faces that we can't see in Portugal.

Cantabria:

especially the left:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-124drWFQ9M0/TXjwQBCLx3I/AAAAAAAAAYk/xvOwfT-31PM/s1600/REPRODUCION%2BLIBRO%2BPASIEGOS_1%2BBLOG.jpg

http://www.trajeslatierruca.com/pasiegos2.jpg

http://www.ruralnaturaleza.com/files/files/1_3FOTO2_fernandosanchoyarto.png

Basques, especially this fat guy, very classic (his face).

http://noticias.terra.es/2010/espana/1025/fotos-media/andoni-vaya-semanita$599x0.jpg

http://chusticieros.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/vaya-semanita-psicologo.jpg

http://warrik.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/vaya_semanita_en_caparroso_12.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9olBQr7f8x8/Th8LStVjqbI/AAAAAAAAAJI/uISA7gxCCC0/s1600/0.jpg

or maybe I am wrong.

[Damião de Góis]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9olBQr7f8x8/Th8LStVjqbI/AAAAAAAAAJI/uISA7gxCCC0/s1600/0.jpg


http://oi43.tinypic.com/24pzc3l.jpg

(not her :P)

[Sikeliot]

Very distinctive Basque look this one has

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9olBQr7f8x8/Th8LStVjqbI/AAAAAAAAAJI/uISA7gxCCC0/s1600/0.jpg

[Zephyr]

Keeping it European this time!


Darn! :(

[Lábaru]

http://oi43.tinypic.com/24pzc3l.jpg

(not her :P)


Hehe, are you sure? look fetures.

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs001.snc4/33435_425569803216_549958216_4478177_8076324_s.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6azsrBMxaRw/Th8z_CLjwGI/AAAAAAAABoE/3w6G9I68Bds/s1600/Itziar%2BAtienza.jpg

http://www.gaztezulo.com/video_foto/2011329553itziar_atienza_II.jpg

these are better examples:

http://s.libertaddigital.com/fotos/noticias/terrorista-eta-eider-zuriarrain-100211.jpg

or the troll type xD

http://tp.forocoches.com/foro/attachment.php?attachmentid=1005384&stc=1&d=1210958009

http://www.324.cat/tvcmult/180450311.jpg

http://tp.forocoches.com/foro/attachment.php?attachmentid=1005391&stc=1&d=1210958181

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NhsQyCq47-0/TpwHHRZEPtI/AAAAAAAAAb0/2176cuEMqig/s400/nekanismo.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

these are better examples:

http://s.libertaddigital.com/fotos/noticias/terrorista-eta-eider-zuriarrain-100211.jpg


Well, that one resembles our two distance runner legends :D

http://bp2.blogger.com/_KuF1MA6E_18/SJYRlE8-ABI/AAAAAAAAAfQ/C2FpsB15bQ0/s400/ROSA+MOTA.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O1PRWNCHRHw/SrZKupUxMxI/AAAAAAAAAAk/d7CnV68eFxs/s320/Aurora.jpg

[Zephyr]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NhsQyCq47-0/TpwHHRZEPtI/AAAAAAAAAb0/2176cuEMqig/s400/nekanismo.jpg

That's not fair!

We all know that communist women look like that all over the world.

Macho bitches :D

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[Sylvanus]

I think spaniards sicilians and south-italians overlap with them.

[Sikeliot]

People say they hate when my threads have a non-European theme, but those are the threads that attract all the attention!

[Hess]

People say they hate when my threads have a non-European theme, but those are the threads that attract all the attention!

It's kind of like how everyone claims to hate Hitler and yet his name is uttered by hundreds of millions each day, while many people who do "good" deeds are promptly forgotten.

[Sikeliot]

That's how it seems to be. :lol:

[Nameless Son]

I don't get these threads... it's Spaniards obviously... how could it be something else? I mean, Portugal is like like surrounded by Spain. What is the purpose of this thread? No offense, Clementina. You are super cute btw.

[Sikeliot]

I don't get these threads... it's Spaniards obviously... how could it be something else? I mean, Portugal is like like surrounded by Spain. What is the purpose of this thread? No offense, Clementina. You are super cute btw.

It's multiple choice though.. so you're saying the only country Portugal has significant overlap with is Spain? If so then what you are saying makes sense. But if not, the thread still has purpose.

[Nameless Son]

It's multiple choice though.. so you're saying the only country Portugal has significant overlap with is Spain? If so then what you are saying makes sense. But if not, the thread still has purpose.

Oh sorry I thought it was what country overlaps the most. That award obviously goes to spain. But you're right, other countries could overlap as well.

[Sikeliot]

Which ones would you say?

[Nameless Son]

Besides Spaniards? I'm not quite sure. Not sure I'm clear on what overlapping would be. French ppl perhaps?

[Matritensis]

Do you need a poll for that? come on....

[Sikeliot]

Do you need a poll for that? come on....

It was meant to be multiple choice but either

1) people think the ONLY country Portugal overlaps with is Spain
2) they didn't interpret it as multiple choice and just picked Spain

[Nameless Son]

It was meant to be multiple choice but either

1) people think the ONLY country Portugal overlaps with is Spain
2) they didn't interpret it as multiple choice and just picked Spain

lol, still it is a little bit inconsequential.

what exactly is meant by overlap? also, do you have a boyfriend?

[Osweo]

Oh for fuck's sake. :tsk:

[Lahtari]

The whole Europe overlaps with Europe, no poll needed. :p

And any nice Portuguese girl can overlap my lap any time. :)

[Sikeliot]

also, do you have a boyfriend?

Stay on topic .;);)

[Nameless Son]

Stay on topic .;);)

Right right sure. I will assume you do not have one. But you didn't answer my question. What is meant by overlap?

[Sikeliot]

Right right sure. I will assume you do not have one. But you didn't answer my question. What is meant by overlap?

That a significant part of the population looks interchangeable.

[Nameless Son]

That a significant part of the population looks interchangeable.

Thanks for clarifying. I still say the only other place is possibly france, but then again I haven't been to portugal. France and Spain I've been to. God why does it even matter? Wait why am I posting in this thread? Oh yeah, Clementina. No srsly you are amazing. Don't say I'm off topic because that's basically the topic of this thread. :wink

EDIT: Yup, just checked, everyone who has posted in this thread is male besides you and... Boudica. (Not surprising I've had my suspicions about Boudica.)

:D

[Sikeliot]

Any more thoughts?

[Gaztelu]

Morocco and Angola

Close this thread, kill your computer, and buy a ticket to Europe to find out yourself, instead of sitting in front of your computer making poll after poll after poll.

[Artek]

Uyghurs

[Mordid]

Uyghurs
You look Portugese than Polish.

[Artek]

You look Portugese than Polish.
That's better.

[WilliamWallace]

why in the poll there are Norwegians, danes and Ukranians while you have forgotten for example north western Africans who are geographically closer?

[Osweo]

why in the poll there are Norwegians, danes and Ukranians while you have forgotten for example north western Africans who are geographically closer?

Cos it's a stupid poll, WW, like all the other stupid polls on here, duh! :thumb001:

[Svartálfar]

Who are those idiots who voted "british"? :eek:

[WilliamWallace]

Who are those idiots who voted "british"? :eek:

probably the celtiberians


but it's incomprehensible also that 9 for Cypriots. I don't see similarities between Iberians and Cypriots!

[Damião de Góis]

probably the celtiberians


Who?

[The Ripper]

My answer is Finns or Estonians. One of those two, not both.

[Lábaru]

probably the celtiberians


but it's incomprehensible also that 9 for Cypriots. I don't see similarities between Iberians and Cypriots!

I have not voted and I doubt that many Portuguese or Spanish have selected British.

Anyway the only viable option is Spain, not Greek and not British.

[Zephyr]

There are better chances of finding someone like a "black Irish" in Portugal than in Cyprus or Ukraine.

Greeks are not so different from Iberians either.

Portuguese opposite part of Europe is the North/East.

[Lábaru]

There are better chances of finding someone like a "black Irish" in Portugal than in Cyprus or Ukraine.

Greeks are not so different from Iberians either.

Portuguese opposite part of Europe is the North/East.

Greek are completely different, with Slavic and Turks features.

[heyaitsme]

Spanish, Italian, French, and Greeks sometimes because 2 people told me I look Greek once.

[gold_fenix]

I always i had thought that greek will be very similiar to ours but i was wrong, of course some of them look as our

[Lábaru]

The Portuguese are similar to the Greeks as the Irish are similar to the Russians.

[heyaitsme]

The Portuguese are similar to the Greeks as the Irish are similar to the Russians.

Okay okay lol

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[polaciones]

Voted!

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[Osweo]

Anyone else?

What the fuck difference will it make?! :tsk:

Anthropology, via the resolutions of majorities, regardless of knowledge or discernment... Yeah, DEAD worthwhile. :coffee:

[Damião de Góis]

What the fuck difference will it make?! :tsk:

Anthropology, via the resolutions of majorities, regardless of knowledge or discernment... Yeah, DEAD worthwhile. :coffee:

I kind of agree. But you resurected a 2 day old thread to say it's worthless? :p

[Anthropologique]

Spaniards, French and Northern Italians essentially.

[Anthropologique]

I think spaniards sicilians and south-italians overlap with them.

Spaniards, French and Northern Italians. Not Sicilians.

[Riki]

Spanish, Italian, French, and Greeks sometimes because 2 people told me I look Greek once.


The ones that think Brazilians and Portuguese are the same?
Or the ones that,they are the Americans every one else in the American continent are Hispanics.?

[Anthropologique]

Spanish, Italian, French, and Greeks sometimes because 2 people told me I look Greek once.

I must say that I have seen few authentic Portuguese that looked Greek, and I've been to mainland Portugal and its Atlantic Islands many times. I ran into one "Greek looking" guy in Lisbon who actually turned out to be part Brazilian so he doesn't count.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Maltese, Italian, Sicilian, Spaniards, and Greeks until some extent.

This+French. I mistakenly clicked Macedonians, I just blinding clicking.

[Sikeliot]

http://worldcupgirls.net/girls-pics/portuguese-girl_world-cup-2010_03.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gPON3DwBk9E/Ta35YFXDlRI/AAAAAAAAAM4/H9B4QWPhWFo/s400/Sexy+girls+Portugal+Soccer+Fans.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8LvYtAby5z0/TBDVoAowpNI/AAAAAAAACag/4ZPlZI_Cqbk/s1600/Portugal2.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/__Hw8--beQfI/TR0cKD53jAI/AAAAAAAAX6U/W5It6axhxt8/s1600/portugal-supporters1.jpghttp://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/9f/24/21561bec4681a1b0612386f7b953.jpeghttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/71/179230587_9f709c63a6.jpghttp://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/pedromonteiro/pedromonteiro1005/pedromonteiro100500110/7034156-portugal-soccer-fan-isolated-on-white-background.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

http://worldcupgirls.net/girls-pics/portuguese-girl_world-cup-2010_03.jpg

I don't know about the rest, since we can never been sure about this pics unless they were taken in Euro 2004, i guess... but this girl took photos wearing pretty much all national team colors. Here she is as Germany:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/gallery/2010/06/18/german_fans_gal_640.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Interesting.. she looks Western European though but the site I got her from showed pics of Portuguese soccer fans and hers was right there.. why would someone want to take pictures for many countries like that though?

[Damião de Góis]

Interesting.. she looks Western European though but the site I got her from showed pics of Portuguese soccer fans and hers was right there.. why would someone want to take pictures for many countries like that though?

She was probably a South African local just having fun.

[Sikeliot]

More

http://www.face-painting-fun.com/images/portugal-soccer-fan-21258153.jpghttp://www.flixya.com/files-photo/s/p/y/spy_c_Boi2289843.jpghttp://www.afunnyoldgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/portugal-football-fan.jpghttp://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/pedromonteiro/pedromonteiro1005/pedromonteiro100500105/7034153-portugal-soccer-fan-isolated-on-white-background.jpg

[StonyArabia]

They look similar to Spaniards, French and to lesser extent the British, and probably due to shared geographical location and perhaps Celtic ancestry.

[Sikeliot]

I just noticed.. this one looks like Lori Loughlin from Full House.

http://www.flixya.com/files-photo/s/p/y/spy_c_Boi2289843.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/90210/images/b/b3/Lori-loughlin.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[hajduk]

bulgarians

[Mordid]

bulgarians
Mmmm, really?

[hajduk]

Yes, and to a lesser extent poles and serbians

[Lábaru]

No way, the Portuguese do not have an unterslavic look.

[Mordid]

You're right. Portuguese don't look white like Bulgarians do.

[Damião de Góis]

No way, the Portuguese do not have an unterslavic look.

Tell that to this guy: :p

http://sic.aeiou.pt/NR/rdonlyres/8DAEC611-F36C-43DC-BCD4-22F0BCA003BE/276626/Pedro_Coelho_222_160.jpg

http://noticiasdemontemor.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/100_0941.jpg

http://blog.pormenores.pt/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/img_7015.jpg

[Lábaru]

http://blog.pormenores.pt/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/img_7015.jpg

True, his facial expression is totally Slavic.

[Mordid]

Look Russian.

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[Niegosław Paprocki]

People of West-Romance, Celtic, Celto-Germanic, Celto-Romance and Basque background.

[poiuytrewq0987]

In general, the Portuguese look Southern European. I think Alex's "Russian" example is a bit odd since types like him aren't that common in Portugal. Portuguese obviously overlap with the Spanish but I think they also overlap with Italians, Cypriots and maybe Bulgarians too to a lesser degree.

[Zephyr]

In general, the Portuguese look Southern European. I think Alex's "Russian" example is a bit odd since types like him aren't that common in Portugal. Portuguese obviously overlap with the Spanish but I think they also overlap with Italians, Cypriots and maybe Bulgarians too to a lesser degree.

From here, Cypriots and Bulgarians look very different from us, each of them on a different way, but equally distant.

I would put it like

Portuguese « Spaniards « south and west French « dark Britons and Irish « Alpines / Italians « Greeks « other Southeast meds « all others.

I'd say that the most uncommon types are individuals with extreme east slav resemblance, there are many Ukrainians immigrated here and they look very eccentric comparing to us, even more than Russians (though these look very heterogeneous). Some Romanian immigrants can pass unnoticed, Moldovans too. Baltids or West Slavs would stand out easy. Some Germans like Joachim Loewe can pass unnoticed and even a couple of germanics would not be out of place. I'm talking about 1 in 10 people maybe.

Well, comparing with South Slavs is a bit more difficult, most of them are obviously different but I've seen some individuals that would perfectly fit. 2 or 3 in ten perhaps.

But this is all empirical. There is no palpable quantification. Just perception on how familiar peoples look.

[hajduk]

From here, Cypriots and Bulgarians look very different from us, each of them on a different way, but equally distant.
Are there any bulgarians in Portugal? I mean ethnic bulgarians, not gypsies, who go for seasonal work.

[Damião de Góis]

In general, the Portuguese look Southern European. I think Alex's "Russian" example is a bit odd since types like him aren't that common in Portugal. Portuguese obviously overlap with the Spanish but I think they also overlap with Italians, Cypriots and maybe Bulgarians too to a lesser degree.

My "russian" example was not meant to be looked at as common, it was just to emphasize variety, which is something people often think doesn't exist here.


Are there any bulgarians in Portugal? I mean ethnic bulgarians, not gypsies, who go for seasonal work.

Apart from football players, i don't think so.

[Heartie]

british and Irish

[Mordid]

british and Irish
You must be joking.

[Heartie]

You must be joking.
People are usually influenced by Hollywood stereotyped Iberians, but usually western europeans have a similar look, I can add Spanish and French people.

[LightInDarkness]

Spaniards/Irish (Basques)/French/Italian

The fuck would Cypriots have in common with the Spanish? :S

[Mordid]

People are usually influenced by Hollywood stereotyped Iberians, but usually western europeans have a similar look, I can add Spanish and French people.
I know how Iberian look like in general. They are certainly far away from stereotypical. They look more closer to French than to Brit and Irish.

[LightInDarkness]

Makes sense since they're connected to France. I just wish Morocco was much further away from Spain. Much further south.

[Zephyr]

Are there any bulgarians in Portugal? I mean ethnic bulgarians, not gypsies, who go for seasonal work.

Like Alex said, I don't think so. Erasmus' students maybe.


Apart from football players, i don't think so.

And their...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5ojlTcbvma0/TcWlYm9qlOI/AAAAAAAAb1s/V4v04E34gMc/s1600/january_2009_3.jpg

...mates :D

[Damião de Góis]

And their...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5ojlTcbvma0/TcWlYm9qlOI/AAAAAAAAb1s/V4v04E34gMc/s1600/january_2009_3.jpg

...mates :D

Axo que esse vai-se embora agora. Podia deixá-la cá.. :D

[Catrau]

Maltese, Italian, Sicilian, Spaniards, and Greeks until some extent.

I sincerely do not think that, apart from northern and central Spaniards, all the Mediterranean’s have few things to do with the Portuguese. We really are not that Mediterranean’s, except the cuisine, a few cultural things (I guess, but can't remember one) and to some extent our southern climate and vegetation on southernmost Portugal.
We are clearly more related to the Atlantic or western European, Portugal is highly forested (it's a garden by the Atlantic), it rains a lot in winter (not this year). So, landscape is different, climate is different from the Mediterranean and people are different too.
There is a funny thing about Irish. There is this idea among people who really know us and the Irish very well, that we are strongly related. I can't explain it very well, there is nothing scientific about it and nothing transcendental either. I understand that it's something like posture towards relationships and the others. I never felt that but it could be explained as something ancestral... I do not want to be or look vain.
I've remarked it because those similarities with the Irish aren't that apparent either.

[Sikeliot]

I think the Portuguese belong to both worlds, even though there is no actual border with the Mediterranean Sea. But I usually think of us as Western European and Southern European at the same time because to me they are not mutually exclusive.

[Damião de Góis]

We really are not that Mediterranean’s, except the cuisine, a few cultural things (I guess, but can't remember one) and to some extent our southern climate and vegetation on southernmost Portugal.

That's already something. You could argue that northern Portugal has little to do with the mediterranean, which i would agree. Still, southern parts clearly have a mediterranean feel with Alentejo's or Algarve's white houses and its landscapes. The summer heat also let's you know right away that you're in "the south". In any case, Napoli for example is somewhat different and i was shocked when i saw that their sea water was warm.




There is a funny thing about Irish. There is this idea among people who really know us and the Irish very well, that we are strongly related. I can't explain it very well, there is nothing scientific about it and nothing transcendental either. I understand that it's something like posture towards relationships and the others. I never felt that but it could be explained as something ancestral... I do not want to be or look vain.
I've remarked it because those similarities with the Irish aren't that apparent either.

I don't agree with this. I feel as close to the irish as they feel close to me... we have nothing in common.

[Vasconcelos]

Don't be fooled, though, it can get pretty hot in the northern areas during the Summer. Northern climate is still kind of mediterranean, altho heavily influenced by the Atlantic (which combined might make it worth having a different classification, but that's just a label..) - this happens in Galicia aswell.

[LightInDarkness]

I don't really think Maltese have much to do genetically with Greeks/Italians/Spaniards.

[Sikeliot]

I don't really think Maltese have much to do genetically with Greeks/Italians/Spaniards.

Maltese are of southern Italian and Sicilian descent.

[Damião de Góis]

Don't be fooled, though, it can get pretty hot in the northern areas during the Summer. Northern climate is still kind of mediterranean, altho heavily influenced by the Atlantic (which combined might make it worth having a different classification, but that's just a label..) - this happens in Galicia aswell.

Porto is hardly hot. You probably mean inland areas in Trás-Os-Montes.

[Vasconcelos]

Usually not, because it's so close to the Atlantic and further away from the Mediterranean stream, but it can still get pretty hot once in a while.

[Lábaru]

apart from northern and central Spaniards, all the Mediterranean’s have few things to do with the Portuguese.

Are you saying that Andalusians have nothing to do with the Portuguese ¿ :rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

Usually not, because it's so close to the Atlantic and further away from the Mediterranean stream, but it can still get pretty hot once in a while.

The stats speak for themselves :thumb001:

http://oi41.tinypic.com/34ovrf7.jpg

[Vasconcelos]

Can you get a similar one from Braga or Bragança?

[Damião de Góis]

Can you get a similar one from Braga or Bragança?

Yes, i can get one of those for any iberian major city

http://oi44.tinypic.com/161hpo6.jpg

http://oi39.tinypic.com/1zge4bp.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I'm surprised that not everyone picked Spain.

[Zephyr]

Are you saying that Andalusians have nothing to do with the Portuguese ¿ :rolleyes:

I find people from Extremadura much closer. Well, at least culturally.

[Lábaru]

I find people from Extremadura much closer. Well, at least culturally.

And not Huelva?

Anyway, Cantabria, Basque Country, Catalonia, Aragon, and the rest of Northern and Central Spain except Galicia, have to do with Portugal the same that Andalusia.

Some people think "Mediterranean" refers to the sea only, if your country do not have the sea shore, you have nothing to do with the Mediterranean, but for example, Portugal is one of phenotypically more Mediterranean countries, in the opinion of Agrippa not to mention the culture and history, language, food and other details.

[Zephyr]

And not Huelva?

Anyway, Cantabria, Basque Country, Catalonia, Aragon, and the rest of Northern and Central Spain except Galicia, have to do with Portugal the same that Andalusia.

Some people think "Mediterranean" refers to the sea only, if your country do not have the sea shore, you have nothing to do with the Mediterranean, but for example, Portugal is one of phenotypically more Mediterranean countries, in the opinion of Agrippa not to mention the culture and history, language, food and other details.

Depends.

West Andalusia is definitely more akin to our region called Sotavento. Huelva and Faro have a similar aura in terms of architecture. But if you compare music and dances, Algarve is completely unrelated to Andalusia. The tunes and modes are similar to those of Minho (corridinho, vira, malhão, chula, etc.).

In Baixo Alentejo there is a region (Barrancos) with a dialect derived from Ehtremenhu (Barranquenhu) and I personally think that Extremadura overlaps better with portuguese regions than any other, in my very humble opinion even better than Galiza.

About how other regions of Spain relate to ours... That's a vast debate. For example, as soon as I arrive to Salamanca, looking at the architecture I know that I'm not in any region of Portugal. Same about Sevilla.

About people and how they look? Apart from one or two phenotypes it's difficult to tell anyone from another one in this peninsula before they speak. A guy like gold-fenix or matritensis fits anywhere in the peninsula. In that aspect Portugal and Spain look closer than southwest vs northeast England (just an example). However Basques stand out, they look a bit unique.

[Lábaru]

Depends.

West Andalusia is definitely more akin to our region called Sotavento. Huelva and Faro have a similar aura in terms of architecture. But if you compare music and dances, Algarve is completely unrelated to Andalusia. The tunes and modes are similar to those of Minho (corridinho, vira, malhão, chula, etc.).

In the same case Cantabria and Catalonia ect...and are also different when comparing music and other details with Portugal




In Baixo Alentejo there is a region (Barrancos) with a dialect derived from Ehtremenhu (Barranquenhu) and I personally think that Extremadura overlaps better with portuguese regions than any other, in my very humble opinion even better than Galiza.

You're probably right, what I do not agree is in saying that Portugal is similar to northern Spain but not the South.


About how other regions of Spain relate to ours... That's a vast debate. For example, as soon as I arrive to Salamanca, looking at the architecture I know that I'm not in any region of Portugal. Same about Sevilla.

Yes, agree.




About people and how they look? Apart from one or two phenotypes it's difficult to tell anyone from another one in this peninsula before they speak. A guy like gold-fenix or matritensis fits anywhere in the peninsula. In that aspect Portugal and Spain look closer than southwest vs northeast England (just an example). However Basques stand out, they look a bit unique.

I believe that the Iberians are very special and we do not look like anyone, only ourselves, even French and British are easily distinguishable in groups, though no doubt they are the most similar, maybe with some Italian.

[Zephyr]

You're probably right, what I do not agree is in saying that Portugal is similar to northern Spain but not the South.

Well, I didn't say such :) I'll draw some rough basic sketches to illustrate what I think about cultural proximities between Portugal and Spain.


I believe that the Iberians are very special and we do not look like anyone, only ourselves, even French and British are easily distinguishable in groups, though no doubt they are the most similar, maybe with some Italian.

And about this issue too :thumb001:

[LightInDarkness]

Maltese are of southern Italian and Sicilian descent.

I'm pretty sure they're mostly Arabid. Sure there might be some Sicilian influence. I'm not sure of anything above Sicily though.

[Zephyr]

Well, I didn't say such :) I'll draw some rough basic sketches to illustrate what I think about cultural proximities between Portugal and Spain.

Well, this is not scientific, it is my perception on which regions culturally overlap between Spain and Portugal.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19248&stc=1&d=1327557372

Other people may beg to differ :)

I didn't extend the colours much through Spain because I don't know where other overlapping regions start...

[Sikeliot]

Well, this is not scientific, it is my perception on which regions culturally overlap between Spain and Portugal.

wouldn't Galicia be a prime example of this?

[Anthropologique]

I'm pretty sure they're mostly Arabid. Sure there might be some Sicilian influence. I'm not sure of anything above Sicily though.

The Maltese are pretty much an even mix of Arab and Sicilian.

[Sikeliot]

The Maltese are pretty much an even mix of Arab and Sicilian.

I don't think they are an even mix. I think the non-Europeanness of the Maltese is greatly exaggerated on here.

[Zephyr]

wouldn't Galicia be a prime example of this?

It's up there, of course, with not so common names (cultura "Minhota"/"Barrosã").

South/hinteland Galiza overlaps with our Minho and Terra Fria.

Funny enough the overlapping is more harmonious with the "Terra Fria". You cross the Minho and there's a somewhat social difference. You can notice a gap in border towns like Valença, Monção and Melgaço vis-a-vis spanish galician cities like Tuy. People in this side of the border are very quiet and reserved. As soon as you set foot in the spanish side, it's like everything is 10db louder :D

Vigo for example is completely different from Viana do Castelo, Braga or Guimarães. The transition is most harmonious between the region of Ourense and our region of Vila Real.

[Damião de Góis]

It's up there, of course, with not so common names (cultura "Minhota"/"Barrosã").

South/hinteland Galiza overlaps with our Minho and Terra Fria.

Funny enough the overlapping is more harmonious with the "Terra Fria". You cross the Minho and there's a somewhat social difference. You can notice a gap in border towns like Valença, Monção and Melgaço vis-a-vis spanish galician cities like Tuy. People in this side of the border are very quiet and reserved. As soon as you set foot in the spanish side, it's like everything is 10db louder :D

Vigo for example is completely different from Viana do Castelo, Braga or Guimarães. The transition is most harmonious between the region of Ourense and our region of Vila Real.

True, i spoted spaniards yesterday in Lisbon when they started to talk/shout :p

[Vasconcelos]

Unfortunetly I haven't visited Galicia enough to make a comment on how much their culture overlaps the (northern) Portuguese, but what I know is that they feel very close to us (altho I suppose Falkata or antonio could comment on this way better than anyone else, since they are Galegos).
For example, when Mariano Rajoy visited Lisbon a few days ago, one of his first statements was to say how much Portugal means to him, since he's Galician. I like how it seems that Portugal and Spain are going to get closer this next coming years, but that's a subject to discuss in another topic.

[Damião de Góis]

I like how it seems that Portugal and Spain are going to get closer this next coming years, but that's a subject to discuss in another topic.

What makes you say that?

[Ibericus]

Who is closer to Portuguese ? What is this stupid question ? Isn't is obvious that the closest populations are Western Iberians.

[Vasconcelos]

What makes you say that?

Try to find the conference with Mariano Rajoy and Passos Coelho from a few days ago, it certainly seemed both were aiming for that. Also, Cimeira Luso-Espanhola are restarting again, after a few years in which they didn't happen (think last was was 3 years ago, if I'm not mistaken).

[Alvarado]

Try to find the conference with Mariano Rajoy and Passos Coelho from a few days ago, it certainly seemed both were aiming for that. Also, Cimeira Luso-Espanhola are restarting again, after a few years in which they didn't happen (think last was was 3 years ago, if I'm not mistaken).

I have read that Andalusian schools will teach Portuguese as a second foreign language.

http://www.abcdesevilla.es/20100507/nacional-andalucia-actualidad/grinan-promete-portugues-sera-201005062306.html

[Damião de Góis]

Try to find the conference with Mariano Rajoy and Passos Coelho from a few days ago, it certainly seemed both were aiming for that. Also, Cimeira Luso-Espanhola are restarting again, after a few years in which they didn't happen (think last was was 3 years ago, if I'm not mistaken).

Oh that? That's something every politician says everytime our prime minister goes to Madrid or their politicians come to Lisbon. But it doesn't mean anything in itself. Aznar and Zapatero used to say the same things and our prime ministers also when they visited Spain.

[Catrau]

I have read that Andalusian schools will teach Portuguese as a second foreign language.

http://www.abcdesevilla.es/20100507/nacional-andalucia-actualidad/grinan-promete-portugues-sera-201005062306.html

But one thing is for sure, where I live, in the secondary schools, Spanish is a more chosen option than French and German for 2nd language and 10 years ago Spanish wasn't even an option. Kids start to see Iberia as a natural ground to find a job dispite we all know this times aren't good to seach a job in Spain :(

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[Sikeliot]

This is a very common Portuguese type

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/ashyashy/bolita/Photo18_14A.jpg

[hajduk]

The Portuguese member Alex Delgare look very Portuguese and Iberian imo. Agreed, Clementina?

[Trun]

French, Spaniards, Italians (including islands) and Maltese.

[Damião de Góis]

The Portuguese member Alex Delgare look very Portuguese and Iberian imo. Agreed, Clementina?

Yes, i should be the benchmark against all portuguese people compare against.

[Strawberry]

they overlap with everyone in europe

[Lábaru]

This is a very common Portuguese type

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/ashyashy/bolita/Photo18_14A.jpg

the common Portuguese type of woman looks like a man? xD xD

[Sikeliot]

the common Portuguese type of woman looks like a man? xD xD

She doesn't look like a man.

[Lábaru]

She doesn't look like a man.

she looks masculine.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/ashyashy/bolita/Photo18_14A.jpg

[Kalitas]

I would say that the Spaniards are the ones who resemble most to the portuguese, due to the absence of geographical features or landforms separating the two nations geographically. This would have generated in the past a free flow of populations that led to the great racial homogeneity of the Iberian Peninsula. Moreover, I believe that the phenotypic differences in the Iberian Peninsula are more homogeneous from east to west than from north to south, resulting in similarities between populations according to their latitude (for example the northen portuguese and the galician).
The mediterranean french can also resemble iberians.

[Sikeliot]

Anyone else?

[Bormann88]

They would most likely look similar to Spaniards based on the close proximity of the countries. As it has been said already the populations would be able to intermix easily.

[Jeanluigi]

Firstly Spaniards, secondly French (Southern French), then Maltese, Italians (from Southern regions), Sicilians, Sardinians.

[Sikeliot]

Reviving this.

[2Cool]

It's funny how so many people have such massive misconceptions of how Portuguese people looks like. The amount of people that voted for Maltese and Cypriots makes me laugh really hard.

[Sikeliot]

It's funny how so many people have such massive misconceptions of how Portuguese people looks like. The amount of people that voted for Maltese and Cypriots makes me laugh really hard.

Like I have said, people in my town who are not Portuguese say I am too light to be Portuguese.. but I am darker than average :lol: :eek::rolleyes2:

[Sebastianus Rex]

Are a lot of Portuguese moving there? :D

About 25% are portuguese nationals or children of portuguese parents.
There has been immigration to Luxembourg since the 70's, 80's.

Now with this severe economic crisis the portuguese are immigrating in very high numbers again, last year it was around 150.000 and it will continue at that pace (if not higher). Many are going to Brazil, Angola, Switzerland, France and it is predictable that large numbers will immigrate to Germany.

P.S. I voted Spaniards of course and Italy comes a distant second.

[Hayalet]

It might be a good idea to define overlap with a percentage like "25% or more" in threads like this.

[Sikeliot]

It might be a good idea to define overlap with a percentage like "25% or more" in threads like this.



The implication is frequent/regular overlap or in the case of the comparing non-Euros to Euros, the best few matches.

[Artek]

It's funny how so many people have such massive misconceptions of how Portuguese people looks like. The amount of people that voted for Maltese and Cypriots makes me laugh really hard.
The surely don't look exacly like Maltese but still closer to them than to Germans or Poles.

[Aviane]

Portuguese like Spaniards are mostly Mediterranoids/Iberids, Berids, South Mediterranids and some minor Dinarids/Armenoids.

They are among the most Mediterranean nations like some parts of South Italy, Sicily, Malta, Sardinia, Greece and Cyprus.

[Rouxinol]

Among the Mediterranid family of Europids there are three types: Atlanto-Mediterranid, West-Mediterranid (= Gracile Mediterranid, in Lundman's typology) and Pontid. There is no such thing as an "Iberid" in scholarly anthropology.

These threads go on and on with the very same asserts being made up until exhaustion cyclically.

[Atlantic Islander]

This is a very common Portuguese type

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/ashyashy/bolita/Photo18_14A.jpg

She looks like my aunts.

[Damião de Góis]

Portuguese like Spaniards are mostly Mediterranoids/Iberids, Berids, South Mediterranids and some minor Dinarids/Armenoids.

They are among the most Mediterranean nations like some parts of South Italy, Sicily, Malta, Sardinia, Greece and Cyprus.

:D

Could you show me portuguese armenoids and dinarids?

[Belenus]

I voted for Spanish, Italian, Irish, and British (as in native and Celtic Britons), but I forgot to vote for the French.

Could be some few Greek, Sicilian, and Sardinian types mixed in there in very small doses.

Anyone know if the Vandals and/or Visigoths left any noticeable genetic traces in Iberia?

[Damião de Góis]

Anyone know if the Vandals and/or Visigoths left any noticeable genetic traces in Iberia?

No invasion left any significant genetic impact. None of them replaced the population. Still, we do have a minority of northern looking people... but it's impossible to say if this is because of the visigoths or vandals (no one knows how they looked like) or if these types are local.

[Vasconcelos]

Anyone know if the Vandals and/or Visigoths left any noticeable genetic traces in Iberia?

Vandals vandalized and left (sorry, I had to), Visigoths stayed and merged with locals, but their numbers were not very significant given the total population of Iberia. Also, lets not forget the Suevians, who settled in Gallaecia + North Lusitania (basically north of the Tagus river)

[Anthropologique]

It's funny how so many people have such massive misconceptions of how Portuguese people looks like. The amount of people that voted for Maltese and Cypriots makes me laugh really hard.

It's called extreme ignorance. Plenty of that in today's world.

[riverman]

Wtf no Slavic peoples look like Portugese.

[Damião de Góis]

Vandals vandalized and left (sorry, I had to), Visigoths stayed and merged with locals, but their numbers were not very significant given the total population of Iberia. Also, lets not forget the Suevians, who settled in Gallaecia + North Lusitania (basically north of the Tagus river)

Not true, a portion of them joined the Suebi. You might have Vandal ancestors :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Hispania_418_AD.PNG/300px-Hispania_418_AD.PNG

[Anthropologique]

Among the Mediterranid family of Europids there are three types: Atlanto-Mediterranid, West-Mediterranid (= Gracile Mediterranid, in Lundman's typology) and Pontid. There is no such thing as a "South Mediterranid" or "Iberid" in scholarly anthropology.

These threads go on and on with the very same asserts being made up until exhaustion cyclically.

Nearly all 19th-to-mid-20th century biological anthropologists were racists, charlatans or just used dubious sources / information. Practically none did extensive field work in the populations they "studied". Legitimate scientists they were not.

It's laughable that Nordicists and others operating outside of reality make use of the nonsense proffered by people like Coon.

[2Cool]

From wiki:

Visigoth:

For much of their history in Spain, the Visigoths kept themselves apart from the native Hispano-Roman population. The Visigoths always were a small minority, accounting for less than twelve per cent of their kingdom's estimated population of 10 million. Visigothic settlement was concentrated along the Garonne River between Bordeaux and Toulouse in Aquitaine, and later in Spain and Portugal around Zaragoza along the Ebro River, around the city of Mérida, between the upper reaches of the Douro River and Toledo, and along the Tagus River north of Lisbon. There was little Visigothic settlement elsewhere in the kingdom.[19]

Suevi:

The Germanic invaders settled mainly in the areas of Braga (Bracara Augusta), Porto (Portus Cale), Lugo (Lucus Augusti) and Astorga (Asturica Augusta). Bracara Augusta, the modern city of Braga and former capital of Roman Gallaecia, became the capital of the Suebi. Orosius, at that time resident in Hispania, shows a rather pacific initial settlement, the newcomers working their lands[41] or serving as bodyguards of the locals.[42] Another Germanic group that accompanied the Suebi and settled in Gallaecia were the Buri. They settled in the region between the rivers Cávado and Homem, in the area known as Terras de Bouro (Lands of the Buri).[43]

As the Suebi quickly adopted the local language, few traces were left of their Germanic tongue, but for some words and for their personal and land names, adopted by most of the Galicians.[44] In Galicia four parishes and six villages are named Suevos or Suegos, i.e. Sueves, after old Suebic settlements.

I don't know how many they were.

[Anthropologique]

:D

Could you show me portuguese armenoids and dinarids?

Once again, the great pretender biological anthropologist, ex-Cleemont, makes another tendentious (and false) statement about Iberian phenotypes. His dislike for Iberians borders on the pathological. :eek:

[Anthropologique]

Aviane, aren't you tired of lying about Iberians? You need help.

I'm embarrassed that you are a fellow Breton.

[Anthropologique]

From wiki:

Visigoth:


Suevi:


I don't know how many they were.

Most sources suggest anywhere between 300,000 and 350,000 in the Iberian Peninsula.

[Artek]

No invasion left any significant genetic impact. None of them replaced the population. Still, we do have a minority of northern looking people... but it's impossible to say if this is because of the visigoths or vandals (no one knows how they looked like) or if these types are local.
This.
From what I've seen, mainly Portugal has some northern clades of R1b, there are also some R1a ( partially some ancient ones of Corded Ware extraction!), I2b and very few Germanic I1d. Otherwise, this results are still marginal.

Remember that Spain was heavily influenced by the Black Death, Justinian's Plague etc, haplogroup distribution surely varied through centuries.

[2Cool]

Most sources suggest anywhere between 300,000 and 350,000 in the Iberian Peninsula.

That's for all of the Germanic tribes no?

[Anthropologique]

That's for all of the Germanic tribes no?

Yes. Visigoths, Suevi, Vandals, Hasding Vandals and Buri.

From what I can tell, the Suevi were the ones who integrated more substantially with the local population?

[Artek]

Either many ancestors of Germanic tribes vanished in plagues or this mass migrations are exaggerated by old sources.
Personally, I prefer second possibility.
300 thousands must have made some significant influence, even despite of wars and plagues.

[Anthropologique]

Either many ancestors of Germanic tribes vanished in plagues or this mass migrations are exaggerated by old sources.
Personally, I prefer second possibility.
300 thousands must have made some significant influence, even despite of wars and plagues.

Your guess is as good as mine but Germanic / Nordic influences are nevertheless present at modest levels.

I would think that 10% of the population would not have a very noticeable effect on the general phenotype.

[Damião de Góis]

Yes. Visigoths, Suevi, Vandals, Hasding Vandals and Buri.

From what I can tell, the Suevi were the ones who integrated more substantially with the local population?

I think so too. From the light types that exist here, and assuming they are a result of germanic invasions, i'm not sure which is which:

Visigoth, Suevi, Vandal:

http://toureio3.no.sapo.pt/cavaleiros/alternativa/foto%20rui%20fernandes.jpg

http://oi44.tinypic.com/33z75v9.jpg

http://www.progressodeparedes.com.pt/imghandler.ashx?w=450&img=redaccao/system/Fotografia/634238876226486044_IMG_2153.JPG

http://oi41.tinypic.com/1y96rp.jpg

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjMxMzY1NjMwN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTE5OTcwNw@@._ V1._SX214_CR0,0,214,314_.jpg

[Anthropologique]

I think so too. From the light types that exist here, and assuming they are a result of germanic invasions, i'm not sure which is which:

Visigoth, Suevi, Vandal:

http://toureio3.no.sapo.pt/cavaleiros/alternativa/foto%20rui%20fernandes.jpg

http://oi44.tinypic.com/33z75v9.jpg

http://www.progressodeparedes.com.pt/imghandler.ashx?w=450&img=redaccao/system/Fotografia/634238876226486044_IMG_2153.JPG

http://oi41.tinypic.com/1y96rp.jpg

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjMxMzY1NjMwN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTE5OTcwNw@@._ V1._SX214_CR0,0,214,314_.jpg

Could also be some indigenous influences at play.

[Damião de Góis]

Could also be some indigenous influences at play.

Yes, centuries and centuries of living with other people. We are talking about the 4th and 5th centuries after all.

[Artek]

Blondism doesn't make anyone Germanic by itself, it can only be some unsure hint of possible ancestry

[Damião de Góis]

Blondism doesn't make anyone Germanic by itself, it can only be some unsure hint of possible ancestry

Yes, like i said before it's impossible to tell. I mean, this king comes from a gothic line:

http://www.arqnet.pt/imagens2/ph_pedro1.jpg

[Anthropologique]

Blondism doesn't make anyone Germanic by itself, it can only be some unsure hint of possible ancestry

In fact, blondism (fair hair) in Germany is not dominant.

[Falkata]

Aviane, aren't you tired of lying about Iberians? You need help.

I'm embarrassed that you are a fellow Breton.

He´s not a fellow Breton. Ask him something about your region. He´s just a troll like Henry. Maybe it´s him afterall. He has been harassing Labaru sending shit to his personal mail since months ago.

[2Cool]

Yeah, blond hair is not a sign of North European ancestry. Blond Berbers exist and even Melanesians.

[Falkata]

Cypriots
http://mylondondiary.co.uk/2005/07/16/050716_n697.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/galleries/175/175914/crop_450x500_GYI0058523533.jpg

Portugueses

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn234/acessonews/englaterraportugalqfinal2006009.jpg
http://www.thelisbonconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/rossio-lisbon-people-are-fond-of-hats.jpg

They look quite different. If anything cypriots look closer to some southeastern european populations who share genetic links with them ;)

[Anthropologique]

He´s not a fellow Breton. Ask him something about your region. He´s just a troll like Henry. Maybe it´s him afterall. He has been harassing Labaru sending shit to his personal mail since months ago.

Thanks. Actually, I thought he might be a half-caste. Part Algerian...

The man is a lying disgrace in need of psychiatric help.

[Damião de Góis]

He´s not a fellow Breton. Ask him something about your region. He´s just a troll like Henry. Maybe it´s him afterall. He has been harassing Labaru sending shit to his personal mail since months ago.

You mean PMs on this forum? Why doesn't he report ?

[Anthropologique]

He did the same thing to Fraje.

[Sikeliot]

Cypriots
http://mylondondiary.co.uk/2005/07/16/050716_n697.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/galleries/175/175914/crop_450x500_GYI0058523533.jpg

Portugueses

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn234/acessonews/englaterraportugalqfinal2006009.jpg
http://www.thelisbonconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/rossio-lisbon-people-are-fond-of-hats.jpg

They look quite different. If anything cypriots look closer to some southeastern european populations who share genetic links with them ;)

Cypriots look non-European as a rule. I can tell them apart even from Greeks.

[Falkata]

You mean PMs on this forum? Why doesn't he report ?

No. Mails to his personal mail account :eek:

[Damião de Góis]

No. Mails to his personal mail account :eek:

:confused:

That seems a bit impossible. How did that happen? I mean i would get scared if i recieved an email from someone from here on my personal e-mail account. I didn't share it with anyone.

[Vasconcelos]

No. Mails to his personal mail account :eek:

Rule nr1, never make your personal contacts and/or addresses public online.

[Falkata]

Rule nr1, never make your personal contacts and/or addresses public online.
He explains it here

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39253&page=39

[Damião de Góis]

He explains it here

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39253&page=39

That's weird, i don't see his email anywhere on his profile. But if he knows for sure that the email is from Clemont, he should report us and we would happily do something about that :cool:

[Aviane]

:D

Could you show me portuguese armenoids and dinarids?

This one looks Med or Atlanto Med with a slight bordering on Dinarid.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YkbTd-_zwZw/Tg3bwQJWFMI/AAAAAAAAkQw/iITuyPKgoWo/s1600/Hugo%2BAlmeida%2B12.jpg

This one looks more Berid/Iberid with more Dinarid.
http://celebritywonder.ugo.com/picture/Luis_Figo/137247923.jpg

This one now looks more like a Dinarid-Med mix.
http://www.topnews.in/sports/files/Jose-Mourinho1_0.jpg

This one again look like another Berid with some possible Dinarid/Armenoid.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uLunGDyps0I/R7XUMzntvEI/AAAAAAAAAj8/Ac5ZXzVPvYU/s400/27239.jpg

This one looks even Armenoid with Berid.
http://www.record.xl.pt/storage/ng1096737.jpg

They all look like some type of Med + Dinarid/Armenoid mixture to me.

That's my part on this Alex Delarge.

[Damião de Góis]

Ok Cleemont, Rui Patricio is "Berid with some possible Dinarid/Armenoid".

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Zj6MF4KHmV0/Ta1SdzKMuQI/AAAAAAAAACc/rmdUtXqVMKU/s1600/rui_patricio.jpg

Thank you for your input.

[Sikeliot]

None of those people look Armenoid.

[Anthropologique]

Cleemont is now Aviane. The guy is a probably a self-hating half-caste.

[Anthropologique]

Ok Cleemont, Rui Patricio is "Berid with some possible Dinarid/Armenoid".

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Zj6MF4KHmV0/Ta1SdzKMuQI/AAAAAAAAACc/rmdUtXqVMKU/s1600/rui_patricio.jpg

Thank you for your input.

Don't see any Armenoid. Dinarid, yes.

[Rouxinol]

José Mourinho is Alpino-Mediterranid. Rui Patrício has some slight Baskid, besides Cro-Magnid and Atlanto-Mediterranid. The rest are of the Baskid type pred., in my opinion.

Rui Patrício's profile:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_ChkjImh2LZA/R0_lSJW9vxI/AAAAAAAAAtA/tfHCaqTtTU0/s1600-R/Rui+Patr%C3%83%C2%ADcio1.jpg

[Vasconcelos]

What is an Iberid (other than a made up personal concept)? Some retardedness like a Germanid or a Frenchid?

[Falkata]

lol this guy is a total retard

A textbook gracile-med + alpinoid like Mourinho is now a Dinarid :icon_lol:

http://www.tribunalatina.com/es/img2/mourinho.jpg

[Falkata]

What is an Iberid (other than a made up personal concept)? Some retardedness like a Germanid or a Frenchid?

Exactly. Just a concept made up by his sick mind

[Sikeliot]

This one looks Med or Atlanto Med with a slight bordering on Dinarid.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YkbTd-_zwZw/Tg3bwQJWFMI/AAAAAAAAkQw/iITuyPKgoWo/s1600/Hugo%2BAlmeida%2B12.jpg


This is the only one posted that looks actually approaching Dinarid.

[Anthropologique]

This is the only one posted that looks actually approaching Dinarid.

Haven't seen many of his type in Portugal. Would easily pass in Greece, IMO.

[Sikeliot]

Or Italy, Balkans.

[Sikeliot]

I don't think pseudo Dinarid types make up much of Portugal to be honest.

[Anthropologique]

lol this guy is a total retard

A textbook gracile-med + alpinoid like Mourinho is now a Dinarid :icon_lol:

http://www.tribunalatina.com/es/img2/mourinho.jpg

Moreover, Mourinho's type isn't dominant in Portugal (or Spain), in contrtadiction to what some s**t for brains, delusional, in denial, self-hating, great pretender, half-cast maniacs think, or desperately want to believe. Painting an ethnicity something it is not is insulting, fundamentally immoral and just plain stupid.

[Sikeliot]

Bump

[JamesSteal]

Spaniards, Sardinians, Maltese.

[aimar]

In a significant way only Spanish.

[Catrau]

Something is very wrong with the percentages!

What's wrong with the algorithm? it's a very easy one.

[Partizan]

Spaniards,Italians and French mostly however to a lesser extent it could be NW Europeans because of Celtic and Goth heritage of Iberia.

[Ianus]

Portuguese overlap with Spaniards mainly, than i think other SE people, Sardinian, South Italian, Greece, however the differences are however sensible

[Atlantic Islander]

Only SPAIN.

I'll leave some Portuguese perfection here:

http://imageshack.us/a/img577/3248/eilf.jpg

Here she is with Miss Georgia:

http://imageshack.us/a/img716/46/fcuu.jpg

With Miss Finland:

http://imageshack.us/a/img5/140/34uy.jpg

[Mark]

I voted Spaniards.

[The Blade]

Spaniards are the nation that overlaps with Portuguese the best.

[Odin]

Spaniards.

[TheMaestro]

Spainards + Sardinian + Sicilians + Some. Italians and FR

[Sebastianus Rex]

We don't overlap with French, that is bullshit, I don't care what pseudo-scientific human programmed genetic admixture calculators might indicate.

By appearance, apart from Spaniards we overlap surely more with Italians (from all over) and perhaps Greeks than with French.