CvG PCA G25-like calculator

[Africanwidow]

Anglo-Saxon,-0.029375,-0.0043625,0.0059375,-0.00515,-0.002975,-0.0013625,-0.00245,0.0011125,0.000525,-0.0025375,-0.0003,-0.000475,-0.00145,0.0025,0.0019125,-0.00135,-0.0011375,-0.000875,-0.0027125,-0.00025,-0.0005625,-0.0007375,-0.0032625,-0.0013375,-0.0000625
Briton,-0.01505,0.0033,0.00045,-0.00045,0.00515,-0.0013,0.0042,0.00095,-0.0039,0.0045,0.00365,-0.0085,0.0006,-0.00775,0.0019,0.006,-0.00325,0.0057,-0.0023,0.00225,0.0053,-0.00345,0.00755,0.0013,0.004
Pict,-0.01975,0.01545,0.0025,-0.00465,-0.00365,-0.0004,-0.00255,0.0007,0.0023,0.0,0.00095,-0.0005,0.0,-0.0071,0.0019,-0.0006,-0.00065,-0.0051,0.00275,-0.0004,-0.0008,-0.0046,0.0007,-0.0007,-0.00035
Gaul,-0.0003,0.0053,-0.0068,0.0092,0.0148,0.0015,0.002,0.0063,-0.0036,-0.0067,-0.0028,0.0014,-0.0009,-0.0051,0.0104,-0.0011,-0.0024,0.0008,-0.0076,0.0071,0.005,-0.0046,-0.0085,0.0107,-0.0029

Doesn't work with G25, only with CvG coords!!!

[marco]

What is cvg cords. I like how you posted this without any explanation ��

[drb234]

What is cvg cords. I like how you posted this without any explanation ��

celtic vs germanic cords
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/celtic-vs-germanic-europe.html

[Africanwidow]

celtic vs germanic cords
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/celtic-vs-germanic-europe.html

What results do you get?

[drb234]

delete

[drb234]

What results do you get?

dont have cvg cords yet. might get them in a week or 2 though

[Grace O'Malley]

I'll be the first to try this even though I'm a no good Irishwoman.

Target: Grace
Distance: 1.2752% / 0.01275180
73.6 Pict
26.4 Anglo-Saxon

Distance to: Grace
0.01448974 Pict
0.02310774 Anglo-Saxon
0.03057528 Briton
0.04694049 Gaul

[J. Ketch]

Incongruous results.

Target: Creoda
Distance: 2.4079% / 0.02407859
57.0 Pict
36.4 Briton
6.6 Gaul

Distance to: Creoda
0.02675841 Pict
0.02902529 Briton
0.03507920 Anglo-Saxon
0.04291690 Gaul

Target: CreodaMum
Distance: 1.9439% / 0.01943895
56.4 Anglo-Saxon
19.8 Pict
18.4 Briton
5.4 Gaul

Distance to: CreodaMum
0.02248244 Anglo-Saxon
0.02637409 Pict
0.02912435 Briton
0.04357476 Gaul

[Boudin]

I thought Celtic is a linguistic not genetic label. So how there be a Celtic-VS-Germanic coords?

[J. Ketch]

I thought Celtic is a linguistic not genetic label. So how there be a Celtic-VS-Germanic coords?
Ancient Celtic speakers vs ancient Germanic speakers, before NW Europe became heavily mixed Celto-Germanic.

[Erik-Jón]

Ancient Celtic speakers vs ancient Germanic speakers, before NW Europe became heavily mixed Celto-Germanic.

like gaelic and shit is caltic what others would you classif as that?

[alnortedelsur]

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 14.7440% / 0.14744000 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.8 Pict
27.2 Gaul

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.14788638 Pict
0.15061943 Gaul
0.15596786 Briton
0.16704786 Anglo-Saxon

[Africanwidow]

Incongruous results.

Target: Creoda
Distance: 2.4079% / 0.02407859
57.0 Pict
36.4 Briton
6.6 Gaul

Distance to: Creoda
0.02675841 Pict
0.02902529 Briton
0.03507920 Anglo-Saxon
0.04291690 Gaul

Target: CreodaMum
Distance: 1.9439% / 0.01943895
56.4 Anglo-Saxon
19.8 Pict
18.4 Briton
5.4 Gaul

Distance to: CreodaMum
0.02248244 Anglo-Saxon
0.02637409 Pict
0.02912435 Briton
0.04357476 Gaul

For both you and your mum?

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG
0.02470977 Pict
0.02508441 Briton
0.03177291 Anglo-Saxon
0.04260153 Gaul

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.0732% / 0.02073178
47.8 Pict
46.8 Briton
4.8 Anglo-Saxon
0.6 Gaul

[Africanwidow]

Distance to: CDG
0.02470977 Pict
0.02508441 Briton
0.03177291 Anglo-Saxon
0.04260153 Gaul

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.0732% / 0.02073178
47.8 Pict
46.8 Briton
4.8 Anglo-Saxon
0.6 Gaul

Your Anglo-Saxon is probably Norse DNA.

[Africanwidow]

Incongruous results.

Target: Creoda
Distance: 2.4079% / 0.02407859
57.0 Pict
36.4 Briton
6.6 Gaul

Distance to: Creoda
0.02675841 Pict
0.02902529 Briton
0.03507920 Anglo-Saxon
0.04291690 Gaul

Target: CreodaMum
Distance: 1.9439% / 0.01943895
56.4 Anglo-Saxon
19.8 Pict
18.4 Briton
5.4 Gaul

Distance to: CreodaMum
0.02248244 Anglo-Saxon
0.02637409 Pict
0.02912435 Briton
0.04357476 Gaul

Many of the England_IA and England_Roman samples for Briton are either too southern or eastern shifted. It could be eating up Anglo-Saxon in your case.

[J. Ketch]

like gaelic and shit is caltic what others would you classif as that?
Gaels, Picts, Britons, Gauls...


For both you and your mum?
Well she gets 56% Anglo-Saxon and I get none, which doesn't make sense. I should get in the 25-30% range, but this PCA is just a variation of G25 where I am heavily Insular Celtic, in K36 - another Davidski creation, I'm Germanic-leaning English, with high North Sea and low North Atlantic. Individual results don't matter that much, only the average.

There was a thread on anthrogenica where users coordinates were mapped. A big cluster in the intermediate North Sea zone.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15388-New-Eurogenes-Celtic-vs-Germanic-PCA&p=708972
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/c6/64/edc66478df134959e910d4c6bd11aaa9.png

[Africanwidow]

Gaels, Picts, Britons, Gauls...


Well she gets 56% Anglo-Saxon and I get none, which doesn't make sense. I should get in the 25-30% range, but this PCA is just a variation of G25 where I am heavily Insular Celtic, in K36 - another Davidski creation, I'm Germanic-leaning English, with high North Sea and low North Atlantic. Individual results don't matter that much, only the average.

There was a thread on anthrogenica where users coordinates were mapped. A big cluster in the intermediate North Sea zone.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15388-New-Eurogenes-Celtic-vs-Germanic-PCA&p=708972
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/c6/64/edc66478df134959e910d4c6bd11aaa9.png

https://i.postimg.cc/9MK1T8js/Screen-Shot-2022-07-27-at-21-46-31.png

Based on averages the calc looks pretty solid. Swedes are apparently more southern shifted than Norwegians on CvG. Norwegians and Icelanders still get some British admixture. The English are about 42% ancient Scandinavian according to the Viking paper. Gallic (Includes France IA ) still lacks for the English. Pretty satisfied with these results.

You're extremely Insular Celtic on the CvG map. For the most part, large overlap still persists. I plot more southern on CvG compared to G25, still manage to get 100% Anglo-Saxon like a few other North_Dutch samples (assuming they are Frisians/Groningers). Total range is between 10% and 100% for North_Dutch, though.

[Africanwidow]

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[Africanwidow]

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[J. Ketch]

https://i.postimg.cc/zzcGm4Jc/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-Views.png

[Africanwidow]

https://i.postimg.cc/zzcGm4Jc/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-Views.png


British_IA,-0.01895138888889,0.00955277777778,0.0015875,-0.00744861111111,-0.00146944444444,-0.00481388888889,-0.0056375,-0.00204166666667,0.0029625,-0.00045972222222,-0.00408888888889,0.00032638888889,0.0077625,-0.00606666666667,0.0002625,-0.00389583333333,-0.00155972222222,-0.00092222222222,0.00001805555555,0.00106388888889 ,0.00340694444444,0.00051805555556,-0.00120416666667,0.0048625,-0.00148888888889
France_IA,0.0007,0.00535333333333,-0.00314666666667,0.00016,-0.0032,-0.00386666666667,-0.00055333333333,-0.00215333333333,0.00207333333333,-0.00114666666667,-0.00042,-0.00103333333333,0.00288,-0.00044666666667,0.00260666666667,-0.00043333333333,0.00132666666667,-0.00086666666667,-0.00192,0.00161333333333,-0.00110666666667,-0.00198666666667,0.00255333333333,-0.00088666666667,-0.00055333333333
Germanic_EMA,-0.03277166666666,-0.00694333333334,0.00362666666666,0.00012083333334 ,-0.00492916666666,-0.0022325,-0.00083666666666,-0.00184833333334,-0.00292916666666,-0.00188416666666,-0.00199083333334,-0.00250083333334,-0.00219083333334,-0.00157083333334,-0.0011275,0.0004475,0.0005175,0.00254,-0.00307416666666,-0.000425,0.00089666666666,-0.00004083333334,-0.00157,0.00013833333334,0.00273833333334

Updated the calc. Averages still look pretty solid.

[J. Ketch]

Coordinates for a Northern English (Lancashire/Yorkshire) person I know. Well into Germanic territory.

Pauline(English),-0.0194,-0.0031,-0.0024,-0.003,-0.0073,0.0053,0.0006,0.0039,0.0023,0.0033,0.0075,0 .0039,-0.0021,-0.001,-0.0052,-0.0056,-0.0006,-0.0021,0.0052,0.0014,-0.003,-0.0026,-0.0015,0.0074,0.0004

Target: CreodaMum(English)
Distance: 1.8279% / 0.01827948
46.4 Germanic_EMA
38.6 France_IA
15.0 British_IA

Target: Pauline(English)
Distance: 2.2164% / 0.02216381
52.4 Germanic_EMA
34.6 France_IA
13.0 British_IA

https://i.postimg.cc/TdSPb9sH/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-Views-1.png
https://i.postimg.cc/fZhpzXkw/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-Views-2.png

[rothaer]

https://i.postimg.cc/zzcGm4Jc/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-Views.png

Where did you get all that CvG coords from? I've not a single one. (As that topic likely also makes no sense to me personally.)

[J. Ketch]

Where did you get all that CvG coords from? I've not a single one. (As that topic likely also makes no sense to me personally.)
They are from people who've posted their coordinates on Anthrogenica plus the datasheet that Davidski keeps:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/12/avalon-vs-valhalla-revisited.html

It is relevant only for NW Europeans, as it picks up on Insular Celtic vs Germanic specific drift that G25 doesn't. For example Grace O'Malley is heavily Scandinavian shifted in G25 but is firmly Irish in CvG, similar to K13 vs K36.

[rothaer]

They are from people who've posted their coordinates on Anthrogenica plus the datasheet that Davidski keeps:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/12/avalon-vs-valhalla-revisited.html

It is relevant only for NW Europeans, as it picks up on Insular Celtic vs Germanic specific drift that G25 doesn't. For example Grace O'Malley is heavily Scandinavian shifted in G25 but is firmly Irish in CvG, similar to K13 vs K36.

Thanks, I didn't know for that there is a spread sheet as well. My thoughts on this: Dvidski should have done a well considered G30 that is able to tell apart that as well. But now it's too late, ofc.

And yes, I can well imagine that it clears up some confusions like for Grace O'Malley. I (and my folks) are also concerned by some form of Scandinavia bug in G25 (which is not in K36 btw.). But as we have kind of zero Celtic that particular distingushing would not help us. Maybe there would be a complementary Scandinavia vs. Germano-Slavic coords needed, lol.

Maybe Davidski should consider doing a well considered G35 that solves all problems of G25 that have come to his knowledge. If he has all ancient raw data he maybe could do that in some automated way, no matter how many thousand samples that are.

[Africanwidow]

Coordinates for a Northern English (Lancashire/Yorkshire) person I know. Well into Germanic territory.

Pauline(English),-0.0194,-0.0031,-0.0024,-0.003,-0.0073,0.0053,0.0006,0.0039,0.0023,0.0033,0.0075,0 .0039,-0.0021,-0.001,-0.0052,-0.0056,-0.0006,-0.0021,0.0052,0.0014,-0.003,-0.0026,-0.0015,0.0074,0.0004

Target: CreodaMum(English)
Distance: 1.8279% / 0.01827948
46.4 Germanic_EMA
38.6 France_IA
15.0 British_IA

Target: Pauline(English)
Distance: 2.2164% / 0.02216381
52.4 Germanic_EMA
34.6 France_IA
13.0 British_IA

https://i.postimg.cc/TdSPb9sH/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-Views-1.png
https://i.postimg.cc/fZhpzXkw/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-Views-2.png

From the four CvG English samples I got now it looks surprisingly accurate. 42% Germanic_EMA and 40% France IA on average. They are roughly just as Germanic as the South Dutch. Adding on additional Germanic samples got rid of the excess Pict and Briton for the English. Better British IA samples too.

[J. Ketch]

Could you send me Pauline CvG? Anyways, from the four CvG English samples I got now it looks surprisingly accurate. 42% Germanic_EMA and 40% France IA on average. They are roughly just as Germanic as the South Dutch. Adding on additional Germanic samples got rid of the excess Pict and Briton for the English. Better British IA samples too.
It's in the quoted post!

The combined British IA average might be a bit Pictish/Northern, which makes English score less of it. French IA ancestry is apparently only 40%+ in East Anglia, elsewhere it's more like 1/4 to 1/3.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxKnKCPz/Screenshot-20220625-125120-copy-746x408.png
https://i.postimg.cc/50Sy3DjV/Screenshot-20220625-125227-copy-756x391-1.png