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Troll's Puzzle
11-13-2011, 09:43 PM
There was a time, not so long ago, when Chinese wanting to show European guests a good time might have taken them to such historic tourist attractions as the Great Wall or the Forbidden City.

But that wasn't the choice made by Wang Meng, a teacher from the port of Tianjin out to entertain a German colleague and his wife: she decided to take them to Florence instead.

Not the Italian Florence, of course, but its new Chinese cousin, "Florentia Village" that has sprung up in an industrial development zone that ten years ago was a collection of maize fields halfway between Beijing and the old Chinese port city of Tianjin.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but China's little Italy – a sprawling 14-acre complex of colonnades and piazzas that boasts its own faux Colosseum and Grand Canal with gondolas that glide under a Rialto bridge – is a testament to what China can achieve when it really sets the concrete mixers whirring.

Florentia – motto "100pc Luxury Goods, 100pc Discount Heaven" – is a luxury outlet mall retail park, but it isn't just the shopping that attracts Miss Meng and the other 10,000 to 25,000 Chinese who zip down on the bullet train every day to get a little taste of Italia.

"The first impression is that it's so large," says a clearly impressed Miss Meng over the muzak that fills every corner of Florentia, floating eerily to the furthest-flung spot of the car park, "The buildings are spectacular, particularly the Colosseum." Another visitor, Wang Yongzhi, 60, a retired Italian textiles salesman who had never made it to Italy, was so excited he had travelled from Beijing with cameras and tripod to photograph Florentia which was opened in the presence of the Italian ambassador in June.

"It's better than the Italian Embassy building in Beijing," he said, "The architecture here is truly splendid, so I came to enjoy the aspect of the place and take pictures. I'll try to sell them to the tourism websites."

To European taste, Florentia might seem a little gaudy – plastered as it is with photomontages of Michaelangelo's David wearing stonewashed blue jeans and carrying not a slingshot, but a collection of Florentia-branded shopping bags – but in China it is indeed a kind of 'heaven'.

Outside the walls lies the greyness of the real China, with its row upon of concrete houses, overshadowed by the towering chimney of a municipal heating station, while inside, right up to the moment the Grand Canal runs abruptly into an advertising hoarding, lies a world of fantasy.

Everyone – from the peasant lady tending the car park flowerbeds for 55 yuan (GBP5.00) a day, to the local furniture factory owner who just bought a GBP200 Burberry scarf for his wife – agrees the project is "feichang hao" – really splendid.

The shops – Versace, Armani, Prada as well as English classics such as Dunhill and Gieves and Hawkes, proudly displaying their Royal Warrants – offer a version of what China's wealthier tourists crave when they come to Europe on holiday.

It may be true that the only really authentic Italian thing in "Florentia" is the manager of the Bella Vita restaurant - a food and beverages manager from Verona called Samuele Rossi, who settled in Beijing after marrying a Chinese wife – but that is not dampening Chinese enthusiasm.

"People say Chinese want tacky, but it's not true," says Mr Rossi, pointing out that Florentia's Italian developer has 18 similar malls in Europe, "They want authentic European quality, that's why so many richer Chinese are going to Europe. They are just mad for our brands." (he may have added: 'mama mia, that'sa one spicy tiger penis soup! :P)

(original (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8872789/China-builds-replica-of-Italian-town-called-Florentia-Village.html))

http://www.halapic.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/201111/05a99_florence_2047941c.jpg
http://www.italyqw.com/uploadfile/2011/0803/20110803022601869.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02047/poster_2047939c.jpg

I do find it interesting that the Asians express their newfound power by... copying the finer points of European culture. We also know about the copycat german and english towns, etc.

Similar thing with classical music (the boom of asian 'machines' and 'prodigies' recording all classical music out there these days...).

Likewise, it's also interesting that when people are talking about what Europe's (economic) strengths in the future are, 'brand value' is often one of the first things, I.E. our stuff costs more but people will pay it because it's european therefore 'classy' (this is also true of americans, not just asians ;)). I wonder how much longer that will be true though?

and also, it's sad that asians 'celebrate' those points of culture at the same time our cultural scene is so awful and our 'people' so careless about their heritage, building and creating shit, shit everywhere :rolleyes:

Óttar
11-13-2011, 09:50 PM
I am no fan of Communist China, but I must admit they are quite interesting in some ways. For example, it is a requirement that in order to graduate, a student must learn an artform, crafts, dances, etc. from another culture. There was a video of a Chinese bharatnatyam [Hindu classical dance] performer.

Now, if only the Greeks would get to restoring their old temples instead of just leaving them in ruins. The Greek Orthodox church fears this, because it knows the moment people start restoring the old temples they will feel the call of pre-Christian Hellenism once again. The Japanese pull down and rebuild their Shinto temples every 20 years, and here Western archaeologists are afraid of damaging "historical integrity."

Europe needs some refined rich people with good ideas, with ambitions to implement projects.

Troll's Puzzle
11-13-2011, 09:58 PM
The Japanese pull down and rebuild their Shinto temples every 20 years, and here Western archaeologists are afraid of damaging "historical integrity."

I've read that about the Japanese too, that some honkey said it was a shame such-and-such a building was destroyed but his tour guide didn't understand because it had been rebuilt or somesuch, etc, etc

it is quite an interesting feature of Europeans/Westerners today too, the desire to 'preserve' everything unchanged, from a rock or broken bit of vase, to every animal alive, including the need to keep tiger 'races' seperate to preserve their variation as one research paper yakked on about.

Just about the only thing they don't apply this kind of mummifying urge to, is themselves :rolleyes:

morski
11-13-2011, 10:07 PM
I've read that about the Japanese too, that some honkey said it was a shame such-and-such a building was destroyed but his tour guide didn't understand because it had been rebuilt or somesuch, etc, etc

it is quite an interesting feature of Europeans/Westerners today too, the desire to 'preserve' everything unchanged, from a rock or broken bit of vase, to every animal alive, including the need to keep tiger 'races' seperate to preserve their variation as one research paper yakked on about.

Just about the only thing they don't apply this kind of mummifying urge to, is themselves :rolleyes:

Spot-on:thumb001:

Stars Down To Earth
11-13-2011, 10:33 PM
I am no fan of Communist China, but I must admit they are quite interesting in some ways. For example, it is a requirement that in order to graduate, a student must learn an artform, crafts, dances, etc. from another culture.
Aye, Red China is a rather fascinating culture to study. As a growing superpower, it's a very dynamic culture as opposed to the moribund "Western world" in its decaying state. To be honest, the weird Chinese combination of totalitarian rule and ultra-capitalism is a bit scary to me. If you wanna know what the entire Chinese mainland will look like in the future, you only need to take a look at Singapore's steely ultra-modernity.

(That said, I still consider Taiwan to be the true home of Han Chinese culture. Red China is just as soulless and materialistic as the US, probably more so.)


Now, if only the Greeks would get to restoring their old temples instead of just leaving them in ruins. The Greek Orthodox church fears this, because it knows the moment people start restoring the old temples they will feel the call of pre-Christian Hellenism once again.
Meh, I seriously can't imagine the modern Greeks ever embracing Hellenism and following in the footstep of the ancients. Have you seen the shitty state of those modern Greeks? The highlight of their civilisation was the Macedonian Empire, and it's all gone downhill in the 2500 years since. I really can't see the Greeks revitalising their ancient civilisation. Red China, on the other hand, is a terrifyingly vital nation.


The Japanese pull down and rebuild their Shinto temples every 20 years, and here Western archaeologists are afraid of damaging "historical integrity."
But then again, the Acropolis is a wee bit more "historically valuable" than a wooden Shinto temple which can be torn down and replaced in a matter of weeks...


Just about the only thing they don't apply this kind of mummifying urge to, is themselves :rolleyes:
Don't worry, Renwein, the Chinese eugenic superstate is coming soon! :tongue And the chinky eugenicists want to preserve you, it seems like: http://www.toqonline.com/blog/the-coming-chinese-superstate :tongue

Treffie
11-13-2011, 10:40 PM
Nothing's more bizarre than the Chinese building this 1,000ft skyscraper in a village of 2,000 people

http://www.firstnews.co.uk/site_data/images/screen_shot_2011-10-27_at_09_17_23_4ea9140184e52.jpg

Troll's Puzzle
11-13-2011, 11:59 PM
Don't worry, Renwein, the Chinese eugenic superstate is coming soon! :tongue And the chinky eugenicists want to preserve you, it seems like: http://www.toqonline.com/blog/the-coming-chinese-superstate :tongue


So how will this nation of a billion people treat the rest of the world after it’s raised its IQ to 150+? Lynn might be too optimistic here. He believes the Chinese will colonize the world and try to improve the IQs and living standards of their subjects. The Europeans will be kept around for their biological uniqueness and admired for their cultural accomplishments, the way that the Romans subjugated the Greeks but appreciated their philosophy and art. If the Chinese decide that the Europeans should be preserved they’d be doing more for them than whites are currently doing for themselves. A global eugenic superstate led by by the Chinese will be the “end of history.”

they'll put me in a box and poke at it and show their kids the 'funny yellow hair round eyes?'

Well ...I'm a sucker for the easy life... doesn't sound so bad... just make sure the zookeeper has a list which states we decadant europeans were luxuriant in our dietary needs :D

Stars Down To Earth
11-14-2011, 12:42 AM
they'll put me in a box and poke at it and show their kids the 'funny yellow hair round eyes?'
Yes. Prepare for a lifetime of being mocked and poked with sticks by slant-eyed children. I suppose I'll have an easier time in captivity than you, given how female Asians have a famous predilection for white men.... :tongue

On a more serious note: It's both disturbing and comical to imagine us being put on display in zoo cages like that, much like we did to those captured African pygmies in the old days. :tongue


Well ...I'm a sucker for the easy life... doesn't sound so bad... just make sure the zookeeper has a list which states we decadant europeans were luxuriant in our dietary needs :D
They're probably drawing up those lists as we speak...You know how those Chinamen always carry around plans for 10 years in advance...

askra
11-14-2011, 12:44 AM
well, we should claim the copyright :)

The Lawspeaker
01-14-2012, 01:29 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Huis_Ten_Bosch_-_01.jpg


http://spiderwebds.com/b2e/b2evolution/blogs/media/blogs/Travel/Japan/japan0708-090.jpg


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/3597655.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Dom_Church_Huis_Ten_Bosch.jpg


Ach.. tis nothing new (http://english.huistenbosch.co.jp/) for us Dutch.

Aces High
01-14-2012, 02:11 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Huis_Ten_Bosch_-_01.jpg


http://spiderwebds.com/b2e/b2evolution/blogs/media/blogs/Travel/Japan/japan0708-090.jpg


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/3597655.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Dom_Church_Huis_Ten_Bosch.jpg


Ach.. tis nothing new (http://english.huistenbosch.co.jp/) for us Dutch.

Not very realistic.....i mean where are all the unkempt niggers trying to flog cheap drugs to seedy drug tourists....?

The Lawspeaker
01-14-2012, 04:55 PM
Not very realistic.....i mean where are all the unkempt niggers trying to flog cheap drugs to seedy drug tourists....?
:rolleyes2:

Eldritch
01-14-2012, 05:05 PM
What's next? A replica of the Eiffel tower and fake "Venetian" canals?

No, wait ... :icon_ask:

The Lawspeaker
01-14-2012, 05:06 PM
What's next? A replica of the Eiffel tower and fake "Venetian" canals? No, wait ... :icon_ask:
Las Vegas.. :D

http://photos.igougo.com/images/p485627-Las_Vegas-Las_Vegas_Venice.jpg

http://www.richpettit.com/vacations/las%20vegas%202/las%20vegas%20eiffel%20tower.JPG

Padre Organtino
01-14-2012, 05:22 PM
Hm, why not make a replica of African village? I smell racism:rolleyes:

The Lawspeaker
01-14-2012, 05:27 PM
Hm, why not make a replica of African village? I smell racism:rolleyes:
If I remember correctly there was actually such a thing. In Brussels somewhere in the late 1950s when the Congo was still in Belgian hands. Completely with natives and all and they were all put behind barbed wires as if it was a zoo.


I need to correct myself: it was during the Expo 58 in Brussels:

http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/.imaging/stk/geschiedenis/zoom/media/geschiedenis/nieuws/twee/2007/March/33869809/original/33869809.jpeg

heathen_son
01-14-2012, 05:40 PM
Does anyone else find the images of those streets really creepy?

It's all just...wrong...somehow.

The Lawspeaker
01-14-2012, 05:42 PM
Does anyone else find the images of those streets really creepy?

It's all just...wrong...somehow.
That you mean it's so empty ? Try your average small-town Dutch street on a Sunday morning.

heathen_son
01-14-2012, 06:52 PM
I can't put my finger on it. It's just unsettling. I am having a spot of the Lovecrafts.

Lorene
01-14-2012, 07:56 PM
Austrian too :D

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=25893

Aivap
01-19-2012, 11:31 PM
Chinese Hallstatt is a perfect copy of the original, I have seen photos, but I can't find it in google earth!!