Classify exotic looking Irish republican Patsy O' Hara

[Oliver109]

One of the main hunger strikers back in the 1980s who protested against the British parliament
https://www.bobbysandstrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Patsy-OHara.jpg

[Uranous]

Med

[billErobreren]

Kind of looks like George Best.
Go the way of Bobby Sands, did he? Shame.

[Oliver109]

Kind of looks like George Best.
Go the way of Bobby Sands, did he? Shame.

Similar but more gracile, he starved himself to death unfortunately.

[MobyD]

Are you sure he's not part Arab?

[Xacal]

Med + Arabid

[Fortnite777]

Gracile Med

[Grace O'Malley]

Here's other pictures of him. He's doesn't look quite as exotic in these. He's just a darker Isles type. Some pictures can make people look more exotic.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/f3/06/22f3065fe68eeee4fd46971c3733c72c.jpg

https://alchetron.com/cdn/patsy-ohara-391b2760-055e-4178-b08c-476e800affc-resize-750.jpeg

A picture of his brother and mother at his funeral.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/tony-ohara-on-parole-from-maze-prison-with-his-mother-attending-the-picture-id500895597?s=2048x2048

[Anglo-Celtic]

Here's other pictures of him. He's doesn't look quite as exotic in these. He's just a darker Isles type. Some pictures can make people look more exotic.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/f3/06/22f3065fe68eeee4fd46971c3733c72c.jpg

https://alchetron.com/cdn/patsy-ohara-391b2760-055e-4178-b08c-476e800affc-resize-750.jpeg

A picture of his brother and mother at his funeral.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/tony-ohara-on-parole-from-maze-prison-with-his-mother-attending-the-picture-id500895597?s=2048x2048

What accounts for that dark look in the Isles? No one thinks that I have roots in any country there, even the fringe regions.

[Grace O'Malley]

What accounts for that dark look in the Isles? No one thinks that I have roots in any country there, even the fringe regions.

All populations have variation. You can get it in the same family one could be dark and the other the opposite. It's not uncommon. They would still have the same genetics and won't have anything exotic pop up in the genetics. Colin Farrell would get 100% British & Irish now. He stated what he got before recent updates.


Colin Farrell has said that he cannot deny how Irish he is and has revealed that he took a DNA test that showed he is "approximately 98.7% Irish, and 1.3% central European."

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0123/1110320-colin-farrell/#:~:text=Colin%20Farrell%20has%20said%20that,and%2 01.3%25%20central%20European.%22

That 1.3% Central European would have been French & German but all updates now give Irish 100% British & Irish.

[billErobreren]

Here's other pictures of him. He's doesn't look quite as exotic in these. He's just a darker Isles type. Some pictures can make people look more exotic.

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Good looking lad, he was. He looks unmistakably Irish without a beard, dare I say Paleo-Atlantid, which is the go to for dark Irish types people can't find much of an alternate home for, outside the isles. Awful way to go though.


What accounts for that dark look in the Isles? No one thinks that I have roots in any country there, even the fringe regions.

Can't account for your looks, but for England and Scotland the more common mentions are Ian McShane, Keira Knightley, Cheryl Cole(or whatever she's calling herself now) people in America with a dark Anglo-Scottish look are Bruce Campbell and Sean Young, for example. If you're a dead ringer for any of these or look pretty close, you're within the mold.

Don't feel bad about people doubting your islander ancestry, my Kraut looking ass always gets that.

[Anglo-Celtic]

All populations have variation. You can get it in the same family one could be dark and the other the opposite. It's not uncommon. They would still have the same genetics and won't have anything exotic pop up in the genetics. Colin Farrell would get 100% British & Irish now. He stated what he got before recent updates.



https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0123/1110320-colin-farrell/#:~:text=Colin%20Farrell%20has%20said%20that,and%2 01.3%25%20central%20European.%22

That 1.3% Central European would have been French & German but all updates now give Irish 100% British & Irish.

I should mention this. A woman guessed me as Irish or Scottish once when I had rosacea, but that was about as rare as the times that you were guessed as Greek. I almost always get some version of Mediterranean. I got English once in sixth grade because the kid said that I looked like one of the Beatles.

[Grace O'Malley]

I should mention this. A woman guessed me as Irish or Scottish once when I had rosacea, but that was about as rare as the times that you were guessed as Greek. I almost always get some version of Mediterranean. I got English once in sixth grade because the kid said that I looked like one of the Beatles.

Paul McCartney is a similar type and a beard can make a difference as you can't see the features as well as a clean shaven person. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of pictures of Patsy O'Hara but I think that one photo makes him look more exotic than he actually is.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cdDPR8GzXy8/maxresdefault.jpg

I look very Isles and can't really pass anywhere else.

[Anglo-Celtic]

I look very Isles and can't really pass anywhere else.

Have you ever posted your photo? I picture you as a Generation X woman with blondish red (or reddish blonde?) shorter hair (my psychic routine).

[Grace O'Malley]

Have you ever posted your photo? I picture you as a Generation X woman with blondish red (or reddish blonde?) shorter hair (my psychic routine).

Yes I have but only for classification or when they have done those threads on can you pass for such and such a nationality.

[NSXD60]

Those Stonehenge genes refused to be Stepped out, damn it!

[Anglo-Celtic]

Can't account for your looks, but for England and Scotland the more common mentions are Ian McShane, Keira Knightley, Cheryl Cole(or whatever she's calling herself now) people in America with a dark Anglo-Scottish look are Bruce Campbell and Sean Young, for example. If you're a dead ringer for any of these or look pretty close, you're within the mold.

Don't feel bad about people doubting your islander ancestry, my Kraut looking ass always gets that.

That makes sense, though. Your Kraut genotype perfectly fits your Kraut phenotype. I take it that you're mostly German in descent. Save for some Bavarian oddballs, who stayed out of my genes for some mysterious and unknown reason, I'm one of the least German people in the Midwest.

[Grace O'Malley]

Kind of looks like George Best.
Go the way of Bobby Sands, did he? Shame.

He was 23 years old. It goes without saying it's a controversial topic and Ireland and Britain were very divided at the time. By 1983 all five demands made by the hunger strikers came to pass but without recognising that they were political prisoners. 10 of them died but people see this stuff as very black and white and it depends on what side of history you are on.

[billErobreren]

He was 23 years old. It goes without saying it's a controversial topic and Ireland and Britain were very divided at the time. By 1983 all five demands made by the hunger strikers came to pass but without recognising that they were political prisoners. 10 of them died but people see this stuff as very black and white and it depends on what side of history you are on.
Right sad tale.

That hunger strike and it's aftermath inspired some good songs, that I admit to have found moving. It was a moral victory, but the cost of their lives is what people found hard to forgive.


That makes sense, though. Your Kraut genotype perfectly fits your Kraut phenotype. I take it that you're mostly German in descent. Save for some Bavarian oddballs, who stayed out of my genes for some mysterious and unknown reason, I'm one of the least German people in the Midwest.

Should've said idealized Kraut looking :laugh:

Kraut's what I'm most mistaken for, just so happens.
I'm actually 2/3rds Danish, 1/4 Irish, Norwegian's about an 8th, there was talk of a Kraut sneaking in that into that blend, but Frisian, so who knows if that counts. Colouring and sharp features came from the Danish side mostly.

[Incal]

What accounts for that dark look in the Isles? No one thinks that I have roots in any country there, even the fringe regions.

I blame the Anglo-Norman invasion.

[Grace O'Malley]

Right sad tale.

That hunger strike and it's aftermath inspired some good songs, that I admit to have found moving. It was a moral victory, but the cost of their lives is what people found hard to forgive.



Some good movies as well. Some Mother's Son with Helen Mirren and the one with Michael Fassbender who played Bobby Sands called Hunger. I've watched the one with Helen Mirren but not the Michael Fassbender one as I find it too realistic. I might give it a go some time.

Some Mother's Son has a great sound track.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-f8vFfq9QE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qboeir-KbJ0

[Roy]

Gracile Mediterranean.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

One of the main hunger strikers back in the 1980s who protested against the British parliament
https://www.bobbysandstrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Patsy-OHara.jpg

You're joking? Seriously??

Looks like a regular Pakistani.

[Volvado Seja]

Irish with high EEF

[Tooting Carmen]

You're joking? Seriously??

Looks like a regular Pakistani.

In that photo he sort of does, but try looking at the ones Grace posted. Dark Atlanto-Med. More generally, this is why colour photos are almost invariably more useful than B/W ones.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

In that photo he sort of does, but try looking at the ones Grace posted. Dark Atlanto-Med. More generally, this is why colour photos are almost invariably more useful than B/W ones.

Yes, saw the other ones afterwards. Really shocking how different people can look, photo to photo.

[JamesBond007]

What accounts for that dark look in the Isles? No one thinks that I have roots in any country there, even the fringe regions.

Have you posted your pic ? I have brown hair and eyes --I got Wales/Cornwall/Devonshire, Dark Scottish and Benelux while Creoda insisted I look Irish.

I would guess the megalithic culture throughout France and Britain is associated with it before the Celtics, Romans and Saxons but a slight Romanized form might exist in Wales in their version or take on paleo-atlantid.


It is quite rare in Ireland and more common in Wales, Cornwall, Glasgow and midlands England.

You don't do the DNA thing do you ? I get Cornwall England under 2.5 (legit) matching back to the 1st century BC :


Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02481755 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.02681550 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.02759721 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_WalesS
0.02971968 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_WalesN
0.03059677 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_Scotland
0.03110618 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Hibernian_Scotii
0.03175750 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Germania_Magna
0.03355049 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Langobards
0.03402022 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_EnglandN
0.03445164 Europe_Celto_Germanic: Peucini_Bastarni

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.0335% / 0.02033481 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.0 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_Cornwall
30.6 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_WalesN
22.0 Europe_Celto_Germanic: Peucini_Bastarni
6.2 Europe_Daco_Thracian: Dacians
6.2 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Hibernian_Scotii

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/136/tomenable-1st-century-bc.htm

[Anglo-Celtic]

Kraut's what I'm most mistaken for, just so happens.
I'm actually 2/3rds Danish, 1/4 Irish, Norwegian's about an 8th, there was talk of a Kraut sneaking in that into that blend, but Frisian, so who knows if that counts. Colouring and sharp features came from the Danish side mostly.

All four of my grandparents have ancestry from various locations. All four are English, Irish, Scottish, Ulster-Scottish, and Welsh, so they're "mixed". I can't divide the input like you can. I have fraction envy.

[Anglo-Celtic]

I blame the Anglo-Norman invasion.

You know those Normans. They looked just like Sicilians.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Have you posted your pic ? I have brown hair and eyes --I got Wales/Cornwall/Devonshire, Dark Scottish and Benelux while Creoda insisted I look Irish.

I would guess the megalithic culture throughout France and Britain is associated with it before the Celtics, Romans and Saxons but a slight Romanized form might exist in Wales in their version or take on paleo-atlantid.


It is quite rare in Ireland and more common in Wales, Cornwall, Glasgow and midlands England.

You don't do the DNA thing do you ? I get Cornwall England under 2.5 (legit) matching back to the 1st century BC :


Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02481755 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.02681550 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.02759721 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_WalesS
0.02971968 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_WalesN
0.03059677 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_Scotland
0.03110618 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Hibernian_Scotii
0.03175750 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Germania_Magna
0.03355049 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Langobards
0.03402022 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_EnglandN
0.03445164 Europe_Celto_Germanic: Peucini_Bastarni

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.0335% / 0.02033481 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.0 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_Cornwall
30.6 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_WalesN
22.0 Europe_Celto_Germanic: Peucini_Bastarni
6.2 Europe_Daco_Thracian: Dacians
6.2 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Hibernian_Scotii

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/136/tomenable-1st-century-bc.htm

It's funny that you mention that. My guess is that our dark eyes and dark hair might come from Welsh forebears and/or Western English forebears instead of the "noise". Of course, as Grace often shows, more than a few Irish people have darker features than one might expect. Just look at Phil Lynott.

[Oliver109]

In that photo he sort of does, but try looking at the ones Grace posted. Dark Atlanto-Med. More generally, this is why colour photos are almost invariably more useful than B/W ones.

Lol i picked that photo because it empathised his dark hair and eyes though i will say that you can see his skintone is not especially dark in the picture, he looks fairly normal for Ireland, apparently quite a few people in the republican movement tended to darker features and still do today like the current leader of Sinn Feinn.

[JamesBond007]

It's funny that you mention that. My guess is that our dark eyes and dark hair might come from Welsh forebears and/or Western English forebears instead of the "noise". Of course, as Grace often shows, more than a few Irish people have darker features than one might expect. Just look at Phil Lynott.

At most 5% of Irish people look like nordicized meds or 'dark British isles types' while 30% of Welsh do it is not even close. Also, I guess more of these dark types could have been brought to Ireland with the cambro-norman invasion.

[Tooting Carmen]

At most 5% of Irish people look like nordicized meds or 'dark British isles types' while 30% of Welsh do it is not even close. Also, I guess more of these dark types could have been brought to Ireland with the cambro-norman invasion.

Irish are only more light-eyed than the Welsh. Otherwise they are pretty similar.

[Oliver109]

At most 5% of Irish people look like nordicized meds or 'dark British isles types' while 30% of Welsh do it is not even close. Also, I guess more of these dark types could have been brought to Ireland with the cambro-norman invasion.

Maybe 15-20% for Welsh, there is still the feeling that one is in much the same country as England in Wales because the pigmentation is relatively similar, even the north west French are much more brunet i think.

[JamesBond007]

Maybe 15-20% for Welsh, there is still the feeling that one is in much the same country as England in Wales because the pigmentation is relatively similar, even the north west French are much more brunet i think.

Ok, perhaps :

Target: Jamesbond_scaled
Distance: 1.3680% / 0.01367992
51.8 Celtic
48.2 Anglo-Saxon

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.8753% / 0.00875330
77.8 Celtic
22.2 Anglo-Saxon

Target: Welsh
Distance: 0.5630% / 0.00563047
62.2 Celtic
37.8 Anglo-Saxon

Target: English
Distance: 0.6890% / 0.00689019
57.0 Celtic
43.0 Anglo-Saxon

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/131/g25-british-isles-calculator.htm

[Anglo-Celtic]

At most 5% of Irish people look like nordicized meds or 'dark British isles types' while 30% of Welsh do it is not even close. Also, I guess more of these dark types could have been brought to Ireland with the cambro-norman invasion.

There's no doubt. Still, that small percentage represents a lot of individuals, some of whom find their way on scores of anthropology boards, posts, and threads. That was a big thing during the prehistoric era of these forums. Catherine and Sean were the king and queen of "Celt" phenotypes.

[billErobreren]

All four of my grandparents have ancestry from various locations. All four are English, Irish, Scottish, Ulster-Scottish, and Welsh, so they're "mixed". I can't divide the input like you can. I have fraction envy.

To be fair, I only have an easier time fractionalizing them because I'm not of foundational stock. You and JameBond007 are, to a huge amount. Gets tougher to do when your forebears were setting the place up. Scandinavia does have dark types like Claes Bang, Annisette Hansen and Christina Lindberg, even if people here choose to overlook those, but they don't look like the British examples.

[Anglo-Celtic]

To be fair, I only have an easier time fractionalizing them because I'm not of foundational stock. You and JameBond007 are, to a huge amount. Gets tougher to do when your forebears were setting the place up. Scandinavia does have dark types like Claes Bang, Annisette Hansen and Christina Lindberg, even if people here choose to overlook those, but they don't look like the British examples.

People are stuck on stereotypes. Germans have blonde hair and blue eyes, Irish have red hair, Appalachians are uniformly Ulster Scottish, Americans are fat, etc..

[billErobreren]

Irish are only more light-eyed than the Welsh. Otherwise they are pretty similar.
Agreed.
If you take their slightly higer odds of being brown eyed out the equation, the Welsh, are superficially the closest looking to the Irish, from what I've seen and you're looking at one of the few people that'll say the Irish are rather unique looking. I'll die on the hill saying the Irish have their own look. One quarter wasn't enough to get me to look like one, at all, for instance.

[JamesBond007]

Agreed.
If you take their slightly higer odds of being brown eyed out the equation, the Welsh, are superficially the closest looking to the Irish, from what I've seen and you're looking at one of the few people that'll say the Irish are rather unique looking. I'll die on the hill saying the Irish have their own look. One quarter wasn't enough to get me to look like one, at all, for instance.

The Irish definitely have their own look and so do other ethnic groups such a the Jews. In the case of the Irish it is due to isolation being a fringe little Island in the Atlantic.

Take these two phenotypes :


https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article21341476.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/2_I200122_184852_2766720oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000204093 076o.jpg

https://hollywoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/shannen-doherty-gty-bio.jpg?w=330

Then look at these two:


https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/trollhunters/images/5/56/399px-Lena_Headey_Primetime_Emmy_Awards_2014.jpg




https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UBQhqb87Hww/UelgehfqJ9I/AAAAAAAAJlk/yNldFcVOy8M/s640/Hayley+Atwell+hot+photoshoot+(1).jpg


The Irish have different bone structure

[Oliver109]

The Irish definitely have their own look and so do other ethnic groups such a the Jews. In the case of the Irish it is due to isolation being a fringe little Island in the Atlantic.

Take these two phenotypes :


https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article21341476.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/2_I200122_184852_2766720oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000204093 076o.jpg

https://hollywoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/shannen-doherty-gty-bio.jpg?w=330

Then look at these two:


https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/trollhunters/images/5/56/399px-Lena_Headey_Primetime_Emmy_Awards_2014.jpg




https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UBQhqb87Hww/UelgehfqJ9I/AAAAAAAAJlk/yNldFcVOy8M/s640/Hayley+Atwell+hot+photoshoot+(1).jpg


The Irish have different bone structure

True, i find it is the case more with the Irish than with the Welsh who have a more shall we say generic isles look though some are more typical of the country. The eyes have a different quality in the Irish and also features like a wide forehead.

[Creoda]

Agreed.
If you take their slightly higer odds of being brown eyed out the equation, the Welsh, are superficially the closest looking to the Irish, from what I've seen and you're looking at one of the few people that'll say the Irish are rather unique looking. I'll die on the hill saying the Irish have their own look. One quarter wasn't enough to get me to look like one, at all, for instance.
Welsh people are just Irish who couldn't swim

[billErobreren]

The Irish definitely have their own look and so do other ethnic groups such a the Jews. In the case of the Irish it is due to isolation being a fringe little Island in the Atlantic.

Take these two phenotypes


The Irish have different bone structure
The first one got me thinking "Man, Maura Tierney got fat." Also Irish by stock, what are the odds? No disagreements here. An island shed from the rest with few ways to meet them in the old day, should have their own look.

And they just do, realistically where else can we imagine the likes of Feargal Sharkey or Morrissey being spawned in the continent? I know I can't.

[JamesBond007]

Welsh people are just Irish who couldn't swim

Maybe, originally, but the Scots are only slightly marginally more Germanic. Scots and Welsh are geographically closer and connected to England , hence, probably have more Germanic admixture than the Irish. Celts with Germanic admixture you say ? You betcha :


https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fncomms10408/MediaObjects/41467_2016_Article_BFncomms10408_Fig2_HTML.jpg?as= webp


(A) The ratio of the numbers of rare alleles shared with modern Dutch and Spanish samples as a function of the allele count in the set of modern samples. Ancient sample codes (left-hand and middle sections) are defined in Table 1. Results from present-day British individuals (right hand panel) are averaged over 10 individuals from each subpopulation. Results from a Dutch and a Spanish individual are shown for comparison. Error bars are calculated from raw count statistics and using s.e. propagation (Methods section). (b) The relative fraction of rare alleles shared with modern Dutch compared with Spanish alleles, integrated up to allele count five in the modern samples. Iron Age and Anglo-Saxon samples mark the two extremes on this projection, while modern samples are spread between them, indicating mixed levels of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, which is on average higher in East England than in Wales and Scotland, with a large overlap. Two Early Anglo-Saxon samples from Oakington have been excluded from computing the average, indicated by empty circles, because they show evidence for being admixed (O3) or of non-immigrant ancestry (O4). One modern sample from Scotland is also excluded, indidated as empty circle because it is a clear outlier with respect to all other Scottish samples. Samples are shown with a random vertical offset for better clarity.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408

[Anglo-Celtic]

And they just do, realistically where else can we imagine the likes of Feargal Sharkey or Morrissey being spawned in the continent? I know I can't.

How soon is now, because it never happens to me? No one does "sad" like the Irish.

[billErobreren]

How soon is now, because it never happens to me? No one does "sad" like the Irish.


Ha! This Charming Man is pleased.
You just became my favorite poster for those references. Hail 1983. The Irish are unbeaten. Portugal does a lot of sad songs, but no one touches the emerald Isle.

[Creoda]

Maybe, originally, but the Scots are only slightly marginally more Germanic. Scots and Welsh are geographically closer and connected to England , hence, probably have more Germanic admixture than the Irish. Celts with Germanic admixture you say ? You betcha :


https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fncomms10408/MediaObjects/41467_2016_Article_BFncomms10408_Fig2_HTML.jpg?as= webp


(A) The ratio of the numbers of rare alleles shared with modern Dutch and Spanish samples as a function of the allele count in the set of modern samples. Ancient sample codes (left-hand and middle sections) are defined in Table 1. Results from present-day British individuals (right hand panel) are averaged over 10 individuals from each subpopulation. Results from a Dutch and a Spanish individual are shown for comparison. Error bars are calculated from raw count statistics and using s.e. propagation (Methods section). (b) The relative fraction of rare alleles shared with modern Dutch compared with Spanish alleles, integrated up to allele count five in the modern samples. Iron Age and Anglo-Saxon samples mark the two extremes on this projection, while modern samples are spread between them, indicating mixed levels of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, which is on average higher in East England than in Wales and Scotland, with a large overlap. Two Early Anglo-Saxon samples from Oakington have been excluded from computing the average, indicated by empty circles, because they show evidence for being admixed (O3) or of non-immigrant ancestry (O4). One modern sample from Scotland is also excluded, indidated as empty circle because it is a clear outlier with respect to all other Scottish samples. Samples are shown with a random vertical offset for better clarity.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408
Outdated study.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxKnKCPz/Screenshot-20220625-125120-copy-746x408.png
https://i.postimg.cc/mgT9BFGm/Screenshot-20220625-125147-copy-768x426.png

[Grace O'Malley]

While there are unique looks to all populations I don't think the Irish as a whole are that different from neighbouring populations. I think there is some fetishization of populations on here. JamesBond above has posted Marylou McDonald who is quite unusual. He has also posted Shannon Doherty who is only partially Irish. She is of Irish, English, Scottish and remote French ancestry. For the British he has posted Lena Headley who has quite a good bit of Irish ancestry as well as English. He has also posted Hayley Atwell who has English, Irish, some German and Scottish.

Some fully Irish actresses Sarah Bolger

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/sarah-bolger-2.jpg

Katie McGrath

https://blogograph.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Katie-McGrath-1.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs:367x473/rscb6/ng:webp/ngcb6

Sharon Horgan

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/sharon-horgan-headshot-1-1650449965.jpg

[Oliver109]

While there are unique looks to all populations I don't think the Irish as a whole are that different from neighbouring populations. I think there is some fetishization of populations on here. JamesBond above has posted Marylou McDonald who is quite unusual. He has also posted Shannon Doherty who is only partially Irish. She is of Irish, English, Scottish and remote French ancestry. For the British he has posted Lena Headley who has quite a good bit of Irish ancestry as well as English. He has also posted Hayley Atwell who has English, Irish, some German and Scottish.

Some fully Irish actresses Sarah Bolger

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/sarah-bolger-2.jpg

Katie McGrath

https://blogograph.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Katie-McGrath-1.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs:367x473/rscb6/ng:webp/ngcb6

Sharon Horgan

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/sharon-horgan-headshot-1-1650449965.jpg

First two look really Irish, especially the first with the well defined cheekbones and flatter nose tip, 3rd looks really English or Scottish, she is from Meath so one of the more British influenced counties of Ireland.

[Grace O'Malley]

First two look really Irish, especially the first with the well defined cheekbones and flatter nose tip, 3rd looks really English or Scottish, she is from Meath so one of the more British influenced counties of Ireland.

Irish areas have miniscule genetic distances. Sharon Horgan is the sister of Irish rugby player Shane Horgan. I posted these as they are fully Irish whereas the people posted above as representing Irish and British have mixed Irish and British ancestry. Also Sarah Bolger is from Dublin.

Shane Horgan now I doubt you would say he looks English? :)

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[Oliver109]

Irish areas have miniscule genetic distances. Sharon Horgan is the sister of Irish rugby player Shane Horgan. I posted these as they are fully Irish whereas the people posted above as representing Irish and British have mixed Irish and British ancestry. Also Sarah Bolger is from Dublin.

Shane Horgan now I doubt you would say he looks English? :)

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Shane Horgan doesn't look ultra Irish, though he looks more Irish than English i think his look does crop up in England enough for it to be native here. Many dubliners and of course eastern Irish have western Irish ancestry, much in the same way that a lot of Londoners and eastern English have Welsh ancestry so of course you are gonna get western Irish looks in those areas.

[Grace O'Malley]

Shane Horgan doesn't look ultra Irish, though he looks more Irish than English i think his look does crop up in England enough for it to be native here. Many dubliners and of course eastern Irish have western Irish ancestry, much in the same way that a lot of Londoners and eastern English have Welsh ancestry so of course you are gonna get western Irish looks in those areas.

Most Irish don't look "ultra Irish" whatever that look is? That's my point and there is no "western Irish" look. There are some unique types but the majority of people are not that distinguishable. Basically no part of Ireland was isolated from other parts and genetics proves this. Of course eastern Ireland is closer to Britain due to the proximity geographically. From genetic testing the most isolated part of Ireland, the most unique, is Donegal but Ireland is just in a non separated cluster with Britain and southeast British are closest to populations in the Benelux so a continuous cluster. The Irish aren't like the Basque who form their own cluster and genetically they aren't as separated from the main European cluster as some other populations.

https://media.irishpost.co.uk/uploads/2018/01/dd.png

This is an Ancestry dna plot which illustrates this.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55d49893e4b0caee6f77186f/1559843339212-3ABEL2NK6X5EPTWBXJV7/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kNZZrSIXSB8b1FFURETINVlZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZamWLI2zvYWH 8K3-s_4yszcp2ryTI0HqTOaaUohrI8PITrRalicwp1T9WjCkuC6JNL O3tA9u_78qH8okaiZjc8A/DNA+ethnicity+estimation+Ancestry+reference+panels +populations+Jayne+3.png?format=1000w

[Oliver109]

Most Irish don't look "ultra Irish" whatever that look is? That's my point and there is no "western Irish" look. There are some unique types but the majority of people are not that distinguishable. Basically no part of Ireland was isolated from other parts and genetics proves this. Of course eastern Ireland is closer to Britain due to the proximity geographically. From genetic testing the most isolated part of Ireland, the most unique, is Donegal but Ireland is just in a non separated cluster with Britain and southeast British are closest to populations in the Benelux so a continuous cluster. The Irish aren't like the Basque who form their own cluster and genetically they aren't as separated from the main European cluster as some other populations.

https://media.irishpost.co.uk/uploads/2018/01/dd.png

This is an Ancestry dna plot which illustrates this.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55d49893e4b0caee6f77186f/1559843339212-3ABEL2NK6X5EPTWBXJV7/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kNZZrSIXSB8b1FFURETINVlZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZamWLI2zvYWH 8K3-s_4yszcp2ryTI0HqTOaaUohrI8PITrRalicwp1T9WjCkuC6JNL O3tA9u_78qH8okaiZjc8A/DNA+ethnicity+estimation+Ancestry+reference+panels +populations+Jayne+3.png?format=1000w

I still think there are distinct looks between all countries in Europe, just like you can have people who look very Dutch or Spanish, Swedish etc, someone like Haaland would look very foreign in Britain or even in Belgium. I went to school where about 20% of the pupils were of Irish descent, many looked distinctively different from the English pupils.

[Grace O'Malley]

I still think there are distinct looks between all countries in Europe, just like you can have people who look very Dutch or Spanish, Swedish etc, someone like Haaland would look very foreign in Britain or even in Belgium. I went to school where about 20% of the pupils were of Irish descent, many looked distinctively different from the English pupils.

I agree and this can be seen in group pictures but most populations will blend into the other especially neighbouring populations. People will post very distinctive types and ignore the big overlap in phenotype.

[Oliver109]

Someone who i think looks very Irish is the union leader M Lynch who has been in the news a lot here recently, slightly brachycephalic and with a distinct nose and mouth shape, you just have a feeling he isn't English
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/comp-lynch-2006-jw.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Someone who i think looks very Irish is the union leader M Lynch who has been in the news a lot here recently, slightly brachycephalic and with a distinct nose and mouth shape, you just have a feeling he isn't English
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/comp-lynch-2006-jw.jpg

I don't know about the man you posted but Brian O'Driscoll looks distinctively Irish to me. Here he is with his wife.

https://mm.aiircdn.com/620/5da5f60a8affb.png

[Oliver109]

I don't know about the man you posted but Brian O'Driscoll looks distinctively Irish to me. Here he is with his wife.

https://mm.aiircdn.com/620/5da5f60a8affb.png

He does, especially the eyes and the slight brachycephaly that i think is more common in the Irish.

[JamesBond007]

I agree and this can be seen in group pictures but most populations will blend into the other especially neighbouring populations. People will post very distinctive types and ignore the big overlap in phenotype.

"The common classes [of Ireland] are strongly marked with the national peculiarity of features, and by this they are readily recognized in other countries." -- "A Pictorial Geography of the World" (1856).



https://m.independent.ie/regionals/corkman/news/c9fff/40130301.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/2021-02-25_cor_67791168_I1.JPG


https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/35_john_f_kennedy.jpg?resize=768,768


https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/caricature.jpg

[Anglo-Celtic]

Normal variation within populations. The Irish are among the lightest Europeans but some people like to highlight their "darkest" individuals to invent links with populations further south.

It's more than that. They want them to have features that are more pleasing to *them*, which explains why they hight Colin Farrell types at the expense of Brendan Gleeson types.

[Tooting Carmen]

It's more than that. They want them to have features that are more pleasing to *them*, which explains why they hight Colin Farrell types at the expense of Brendan Gleeson types.

Both men are handsome in their own different ways though.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's more than that. They want them to have features that are more pleasing to *them*, which explains why they hight Colin Farrell types at the expense of Brendan Gleeson types.

Brendan Gleeson does very well as he's a great actor. He also has some sons that act. Domhnall is most probably the most successful of his sons. Colin was very different in that recent series The North Water now he was "creepy" in that. :) That was quite a dark series but some good actors in it such as Jack O'Connell and Stephen Graham.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Both men are handsome in their own different ways though.

They're both cool. I'm just referring to individual preference in that (name excluded) pretended that there were more dark types in Ireland than there actually were since (name excluded) was more attracted to that type.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Brendan Gleeson does very well as he's a great actor. He also has some sons that act. Domhnall is most probably the most successful of his sons. Colin was very different in that recent series The North Water now he was "creepy" in that. :) That was quite a dark series but some good actors in it such as Jack O'Connell and Stephen Graham.

Brendan Gleeson is one of my favorite character actors, and he was great in "Braveheart" (one of my faves) and "Gangs of New York" (Herbert Asbury's book is a must-read). My dad's cousin looks a bit like him (must be those ancient Donegal genes).

[Grace O'Malley]

Brendan Gleeson is one of my favorite character actors, and he was great in "Braveheart" (one of my faves) and "Gangs of New York" (Herbert Asbury's book is a must-read). My dad's cousin looks a bit like him (must be those ancient Donegal genes).

Sorry this is a bit OT but did you take an Ancestry test because they are doing another update this month.

Yes I've got a cousin who looks like Brendan and he's on the paternal side but that side also has some darker types more similar to Matt Dillon.

[Creoda]

Brendan Gleeson is one of my favorite character actors, and he was great in "Braveheart" (one of my faves) and "Gangs of New York" (Herbert Asbury's book is a must-read). My dad's cousin looks a bit like him (must be those ancient Donegal genes).
Braveheart is one of your favourite films? Because of its historical accuracy? Gangs of New York was another one, so real I thought I was watching a documentary :lie:

Did you see In Bruges?

[Grace O'Malley]

Braveheart is one of your favourite films? Because of its historical accuracy? Gangs of New York was another one, so real I thought I was watching a documentary :lie:

Did you see In Bruges?

I'm sure Anglo-Celtic will answer but In Bruges is brilliant. Up there with my favourites.

[Creoda]

I'm sure Anglo-Celtic will answer but In Bruges is brilliant. Up there with my favourites.
Yes, it's quite funny. I assumed that's why he mentioned Gleeson and Farrell in the same breath.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Sorry this is a bit OT but did you take an Ancestry test because they are doing another update this month.

Yes I've got a cousin who looks like Brendan and he's on the paternal side but that side also has some darker types more similar to Matt Dillon.

Some of my family took it. Unfortunately, they care less for genealogy than I do for Latvian folk songs.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Braveheart is one of your favourite films? Because of its historical accuracy?

Absolutely not. If I want historical accuracy, I'll watch "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves".

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yes, it's quite funny. I assumed that's why he mentioned Gleeson and Farrell in the same breath.

It was a case of synchronicity, In any event, I'll put "In Bruges" on my must-see list, along with "Stranger Things", when it's a good time to binge watch.

[Creoda]

Absolutely not. If I want historical accuracy, I'll watch "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves".
Probably better off watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights for that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDP245bQ6Fk

(still kind of enjoy it for nostalgic reasons)

[Anglo-Celtic]

Probably better off watching Robin Hood: Men in Tights for that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDP245bQ6Fk

(still kind of enjoy it for nostalgic reasons)

My first choice, for a major movie that closely adhered to historical accuracy, was "Excalibur". Kids might not be familiar with it, though.

[Creoda]

My first choice, for a major movie that closely adhered to historical accuracy, was "Excalibur". Kids might not be familiar with it, though.
Yeah, Excalibur is great and a visually beautiful film (shot in the magical-looking Irish countryside), and with Arthurian myth there is artistic licence anyway. And Wagner over the top, amazing.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yeah, Excalibur is great and a visually beautiful film (shot in the magical-looking Irish countryside), and with Arthurian myth there is artistic licence anyway. And Wagner over the top, amazing.

They claimed that "King Arthur" adhered to historical accuracy. Hence the uniformly blonde Saxons and the uniformly brunette Britons.

[Creoda]

They claimed that "King Arthur" adhered to historical accuracy. Hence the uniformly blonde Saxons and the uniformly brunette Britons.
Ugh, I hated that trash. Yep, they cast the Britons to be pseudo-Iberian looking, and the Saxons were basically portrayed as Nazi's, contributing to those (anti-English) myths in the public consciousness.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Ugh, I hated that trash. Yep, they cast the Britons to be pseudo-Iberian looking, and the Saxons were basically portrayed as Nazi's, contributing to those (anti-English) myths in the public consciousness.

Look on the bright side. If Irish pirates were in the movie, they would all look like Bozo the Clown.

[Creoda]

Look on the bright side. If Irish pirates were in the movie, they would all look like Bozo the Clown.
They might have gotten JB007 to do the casting for the Irish; every Irish character would be played by Colm Meaney, even the women.

[Anglo-Celtic]

They might have gotten JB007 to do the casting for the Irish; every Irish character would be played by Colm Meaney, even the women.

Some men "read" Playboy. James Bond reads 1800s issues of Punch for the same reasons.

[JamesBond007]

Some men "read" Playboy. James Bond reads 1800s issues of Punch for the same reasons.

Well, Capitalists uphold both the Roman empire and the British empire up as models to be emulated. I obviously, am not going to identify with the Roman empire :


Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.7549% / 0.02754937 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.8 Thule:Norwegian
28.2 Gallia_Belgica:Belgian

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02966312 Thule:Norwegian
0.03119617 Hibernia:Irish
0.03173767 Britannia:English
0.03738947 Germania:German
0.03928185 Gallia_Belgica:Belgian
0.04744540 Raetia:Austrian
0.05583738 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.05975983 Gallia_Lugdunensis:French_Auvergne
0.06042822 Gallia:Swiss_French
0.06541143 Gallia_Narbonensis:French_Provence

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/50/g25-roman-map-of-the-worl-version-finale.htm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAXtDr1i9Rw

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Sack_of_Rome_by_the_Visigoths_on_24_August_410_by_ JN_Sylvestre_1890.jpg/300px-Sack_of_Rome_by_the_Visigoths_on_24_August_410_by_ JN_Sylvestre_1890.jpg

[Anglo-Celtic]

Distance to:Kevin_scaled
0.02966312 Thule:Norwegian
0.03119617 Hibernia:Irish
0.03173767 Britannia:English
0.03738947 Germania:German

Look at second place. Self hate is a helluva drug.

[Dick]

What does it matter if he's "exotic" looking in some pictures, he's still Irish. I wonder if Dublin will be mostly Irish in 20 years or so. The Great Replacement in white countries may be a racist, anti-semitic, islamophobic conspiracy theory but it's also happening and they're winning.

[Anglo-Celtic]

What does it matter if he's "exotic" looking in some pictures, he's still Irish. I wonder if Dublin will be mostly Irish in 20 years or so. The Great Replacement in white countries may be a racist, anti-semitic, islamophobic conspiracy theory but it's also happening and they're winning.

It's no conspiracy theory. There are old clips of Democrats and their media hacks supporting it, so I guess that makes them anti-White.

[Dick]

It's no conspiracy theory. There are old clips of Democrats and their media hacks supporting it, so I guess that makes them anti-White.

Yeah I know. the next plandemic is donkeypox(get it, donkey vs elephant), it only affects Republican voters

[JamesBond007]

Look at second place. Self hate is a helluva drug.

Nah, illustrativeDNA does a much better job at curating this raw technology. I am Scottish but super lowland hence Dutch shows up too :


https://i.postimg.cc/0QhjT0mD/Polish-20220805-005236193.png

https://i.postimg.cc/2y5GtmQV/Polish-20220805-010324765.png


Scots (endonym: Scots; Scottish Gaelic: Albais/Beurla Ghallta) is an Anglic language variety in the West Germanic language family, spoken in Scotland and parts of Ulster in the north of Ireland (where the local dialect is known as Ulster Scots).[4] Most commonly spoken in the Scottish Lowlands, Northern Isles and northern Ulster, it is sometimes called Lowland Scots or Broad Scots to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic, the Goidelic Celtic language that was historically restricted to most of the Scottish Highlands, the Hebrides and Galloway after the 16th century.[5] Modern Scots is a sister language of Modern English, as the two diverged independently from the same source: Early Middle English (1150–1300[6]).[7][8]"--Wikipedia

Vikings still running rampant in Scottish DNA :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZBBaLPm4Xc


https://www.scotsman.com/images-e.jpimedia.uk/imagefetch/http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/Prestige.Item.1.39922627!image/24391659.jpg?quality=65&smart&width=990

[JamesBond007]

Look at second place. Self hate is a helluva drug.


Here is a dirty little secret lowland Scots are Germanic and there is more sheep than people in the Highlands :


A most important obstacle in civilised countries to an increase in the number of men of a superior class has been strongly urged by Mr. Greg and Mr. Galton,238 174namely, the fact that the very poor and reckless, who are often degraded by vice, almost invariably marry early, whilst the careful and frugal, who are generally otherwise virtuous, marry late in life, so that they may be able to support themselves and their children in comfort. Those who marry early produce within a given period not only a greater number of generations, but, as shewn by Dr. Duncan,239 they produce many more children. The children, moreover, that are born by mothers during the prime of life are heavier and larger, and therefore probably more vigorous, than those born at other periods. Thus the reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: “The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal ‘struggle for existence,’ it would be the inferior and less favoured race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults.” --Charles Darwin

[JamesBond007]

What does it matter if he's "exotic" looking in some pictures, he's still Irish. I wonder if Dublin will be mostly Irish in 20 years or so. The Great Replacement in white countries may be a racist, anti-semitic, islamophobic conspiracy theory but it's also happening and they're winning.

White people don't exist. The Irish only became 'white' by helping to oppress 'blacks'. Irish people are Irish, Scots are Scots and English are English.


https://m.media-amazon.com/images/P/B00EDQCEKG.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_SX500_.jpg

[JamesBond007]

What does it matter if he's "exotic" looking in some pictures, he's still Irish. I wonder if Dublin will be mostly Irish in 20 years or so. The Great Replacement in white countries may be a racist, anti-semitic, islamophobic conspiracy theory but it's also happening and they're winning.

I dunno, what 'white' is but whatever it is something tells me it means Germanics while the Irish are 'celts' :


"But I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw along that hundred miles of horrible country. I don’t believe they are our fault, I believe that there are not only more of them than of old, but that they are happier, better, more comfortably fed and lodged under our rule than they ever were. But to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black, one would not feel it so much, but their skins, except where tanned by exposure, are as white as ours."--Charles Kingsley

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yeah I know. the next plandemic is donkeypox(get it, donkey vs elephant), it only affects Republican voters

They always "find" a bug or a variant. We'll have turkeypox just in time for the November elections, but we should have two national days of thanksgiving if the Democrats are swept out of Washington by a Red tsunami.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Here is a dirty little secret lowland Scots are Germanic and there is more sheep than people in the Highlands.

Here's my dirty little secret. Most of my Lowlander ancestors came from Galloway, so they're not Germanic.

[Renekton]

Atlantid.

[Grace O'Malley]

Brendan Gleeson is one of my favorite character actors, and he was great in "Braveheart" (one of my faves) and "Gangs of New York" (Herbert Asbury's book is a must-read). My dad's cousin looks a bit like him (must be those ancient Donegal genes).

Brendan and Colin have a new movie coming out also directed by Martin McDonagh who did In Bruges. I'll be watching this when it is available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRu3zLOJN2c

[Anglo-Celtic]

Brendan and Colin have a new movie coming out also directed by Martin McDonagh who did In Bruges. I'll be watching this when it is available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRu3zLOJN2c

The movie's plot is very original, and it looks like an entertaining movie, from the clip. It's one of those rare appealing flicks in a contemporary film industry full of celluloid woke dreck.

[White Swan]

That makes sense, though. Your Kraut genotype perfectly fits your Kraut phenotype. I take it that you're mostly German in descent. Save for some Bavarian oddballs, who stayed out of my genes for some mysterious and unknown reason, I'm one of the least German people in the Midwest.

Lol they are soo German. I grew up in the Midwest with a german/Swiss family, but can't be more than 10% German myself. It's a tough world lol

[Anglo-Celtic]

Lol they are soo German. I grew up in the Midwest with a german/Swiss family, but can't be more than 10% German myself. It's a tough world lol

It's okay. They still let me participate in Oktoberfest.

[White Swan]

It's okay. They still let me participate in Oktoberfest.

Lol yes and the Shweitzerfest