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Oliver109
08-09-2022, 09:49 AM
recently passed away RIP, he has a caucasoid look, there have been rumours of the Mediterranean race expanding into the far east in ancient times, this man could have been a relic
https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https://d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net/production/b84156ae-acd5-4392-9291-035cf7cbdf58.jpg?source=next&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=1067
Colan
08-09-2022, 12:46 PM
Yakonin, is the type of phenotype that I usually identify when I imagine a nobleman from ancient Japan
Oliver109
08-09-2022, 01:10 PM
Yakonin, is the type of phenotype that I usually identify when I imagine a nobleman from ancient Japan

Agree, some Japanese look more central Asian than regular Chinese or Koreans
Roy
08-09-2022, 01:20 PM
Yakonid indeed.
Grom
08-09-2022, 02:20 PM
He probably has somewhat more Jomon admixture than your average person from Hiroshima, although his appearance is within normal Japanese variation. There's no Mediterranean ancestry in Japanese people, for the record.
HentaiBergamasco
08-09-2022, 04:58 PM
He looks perfectly mongoloid. Mongloids have variation too, just like Hallstatt Nordid and Saharid are both caucasoid types.
The most Med looking people in Japan are Ainus, who are genetically distant from Euro Meds or MENAs.
Ainu man:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Tatsujiro_kuzuno.JPG
Uranous
08-09-2022, 06:20 PM
Just Jomon influenced

http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2022/32/2/1660069182-1529151815454.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2022-32-2-1660069182-1529151815454.jpg)
Oliver109
08-09-2022, 06:27 PM
He probably has somewhat more Jomon admixture than your average person from Hiroshima, although his appearance is within normal Japanese variation. There's no Mediterranean ancestry in Japanese people, for the record.

You can't really measure med ancestry by genetics, the Mediterranean race probably predates a lot of the other races, maybe it is as old as 100'000 years and the first out of Africa migrations so it has had a long time to spread to nearly every corner of the world.
Grom
08-09-2022, 06:32 PM
You can't really measure med ancestry by genetics, the Mediterranean race probably predates a lot of the other races, maybe it is as old as 100'000 years and the first out of Africa migrations so it has had a long time to spread to nearly every corner of the world.

Right... :whistle:
Oliver109
08-09-2022, 06:33 PM
Right... :whistle:

What do you think about the origin of the Med race?
Grom
08-09-2022, 06:48 PM
What do you think about the origin of the Med race?

Which people do you consider to be a part of the Mediterranean race?
Voskos
08-09-2022, 06:49 PM
He can pass as Central Asian Turk.
Voskos
08-09-2022, 06:55 PM
The reason he might appear med-influenced is the fact the japanese have adapted to living on an island, i.e in similar conditions as mediterraneans.
Oliver109
08-09-2022, 06:57 PM
Which people do you consider to be a part of the Mediterranean race?

People with Mediterranean facial features, so pretty much a good deal of people, east Africans, people from the African Sahel as far west as Senegal and northern Nigeria, India, Europe, central Asia and some parts of eastern Asia and possibly the Americas.
Oliver109
08-09-2022, 06:59 PM
The reason he might appear med-influenced is the fact the japanese have adapted to living on an island, i.e in similar conditions as mediterraneans.

Could be but that would be very unlikely i think, Koreans don't generally look the same and their climate is not that different, there are too many similarities for it to be a coincidence.
Grom
08-09-2022, 07:05 PM
People with Mediterranean facial features, so pretty much a good deal of people, east Africans, people from the African Sahel as far west as Senegal and northern Nigeria, India, Europe, central Asia and some parts of eastern Asia and possibly the Americas.

That is... a very strange definition of Mediterranean :laugh:. The traditional definition of Mediterranean people are the various European ethnicities living around the Mediterranean Sea (hence Mediterranean), such as Iberians, Italians, southern Frenchmen, and Greeks. Some will go so far as to include all the countries around the Mediterranean Sea, i.e. even the Levantines and North Africans.

Perhaps you mean Caucasoid? I struggle to see what all those people you mentioned have in common. What's so Mediterranean about Senegalese people?
Oliver109
08-09-2022, 07:09 PM
That is... a very strange definition of Mediterranean :laugh:. The traditional definition of Mediterranean people are the various European ethnicities living around the Mediterranean Sea (hence Mediterranean), such as Iberians, Italians, southern Frenchmen, and Greeks. Some will go so far as to include all the countries around the Mediterranean Sea, i.e. even the Levantines and North Africans.

Perhaps you mean Caucasoid? I struggle to see what all those people you mentioned have in common. What's so Mediterranean about Senegalese people?

It's about bone structure more than anything, read Carleton Coon and his writings on the Med race, they are very interesting, some Fulani people have quite Med facial features btw
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5b647ad72714e59446a72f78/1563741238573-BRKL2N4PHTVPO4SSI7UT/Dougokolo.jpg
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