Ancestry DNA UPDATE (2022 August)

[Gergő Marosvári]

So, Ancestry DNA rolled out their second update this year.
I got my results and also my mother's results.

This is what we got:


My results: https://i.postimg.cc/3wmRw7hF/k-p.png

My mother's results: https://i.postimg.cc/mkDB7Wvq/k-p.png


My Eastern European decreased by 6%, while my Balkan increased by 6%.
My mom lost 7% Eastern European, while she got Balkan and Basque as new regions. And she also got +1% Sweden and Denmark.

What do your updated results look like? Are you satisfied with your updated results?

[drb234]

https://i.imgur.com/didtpIv.png
Angelcynn:p

I get more English every update.

[mariusz99]

Joke.

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/YqPxMrCZ/ancestry2022aug.png

Canada-man.

[Karol Klačansky]

my update
https://i.ibb.co/34m2xGN/ancestryaugust2022-Karol.jpg (https://ibb.co/7jtP38W)
images of tumblr photos (https://imgbb.com/)

my fathers
https://i.ibb.co/Z6jc4Kg/Ancestryaugust2022-Dad.jpg (https://ibb.co/SXjVY0m)
images of tumblr photos (https://imgbb.com/)

[michal3141]

For me the change was cosmetic:

Eastern Europe & Russia: 98% (+1%)
Baltics: 2% (-1%)

[Voskos]

Aegean islands 82%
Greece and Albania 7%
Southern Italy 4%
Levant 4%
Cyprus 2%
Baltic 1%

[Luke35]

Not bad.

https://i.imgur.com/Uu7aa0Q.png

https://i.imgur.com/Puk2BPS.png

[frankhammer]

https://i.imgur.com/o7sUVJQ.png

[Coastal Elite]

https://i.imgur.com/9HAJaTQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dJNc69p.jpg

Additional Communities
https://i.imgur.com/QdNSSqG.jpg

[hazmatnik]

Useless update for me.
Instead of changing estimate for 2%-3% every couple of months, they should add more Balkan communities and fix existing ones.

Presipanje iz šupljeg u prazno.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZK8HWFkj/Screenshot-20220817-170505-Ancestry.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rKpxb4wt)

[Abriekman]

Both last updates are completely trash. Now it doesn't see my Bulgarian ancestry and I am 96% Eastern European now. Communities given to me are also very general, so basically one of the worst DNA tests for Slavs and Balkan people at the moment.

[mariusz99]

Probably EE according to Ancestry is 80-90% Balto-Slavic and the rest is Germanic, Balkan, maybe some Celtic. I have the same problem.

[RyoHazuki]

Pretty disappointing, nothing France and has made it more northern shifted than before, which is puzzling how every company that tries to make my results more "precise" somehow makes my result more broad and Nordic shifted. What is this propensity to take southern shifted groups and place them into northern ones? Even the people I know on this site that are more northern shifted than me don't have that reflected in their result.

England & Northwestern Europe
54%
Scotland
22%
Germanic Europe
11%
Sweden & Denmark
5%
Ireland
5%
Wales
3%

[Jana]

Great for me.
https://i.imgur.com/R6vWfXd.png

Grandma sister. Really impressed how they correctly assigned her 1/8 Greek ancestry to exactly 12% of Greek-related components. Nice job.
https://i.imgur.com/ZndX6AA.png

[Jana]

Pretty disappointing, nothing France and has made it more northern shifted than before, which is puzzling how every company that tries to make my results more "precise" somehow makes my result more broad and Nordic shifted. What is this propensity to take southern shifted groups and place them into northern ones? Even the people I know on this site that are more northern shifted than me don't have that reflected in their result.

England & Northwestern Europe
54%
Scotland
22%
Germanic Europe
11%
Sweden & Denmark
5%
Ireland
5%
Wales
3%

If your French is Breton or Norman, than don't be too surprised it may have leaked into British. They are much closer to Brits genetically than to main French cluster.

[RyoHazuki]

If your French is Breton or Norman, than don't be too surprised it may have leaked into British. They are much closer to Brits genetically than towards main French cluster.

I'm partly SW France, and on PCAs I cluster in between France and UK. Are companies incapable of delineating people of Mixed NW and SW lineage?

[Jana]

I'm partly SW France, and on PCAs I cluster in between France and UK.

Depends on amount. As you see my grandma full sibling is half German and 1/8 Greek and I inherited only 7% German and zero Greek.
Btw, Germanic Europe component isn't really that northern and Germanic. It peaks in southern Germany and west Austria.

[RyoHazuki]

Depends on amount. As you see my grandma full sibling is half German and 1/8 Greek and I inherited only 7% German and zero Greek.
Btw, Germanic Europe component isn't really that northern and Germanic. It peaks in southern Germany and west Austria.

I'm also aware of some genetic diversity between British people, the more purely insular Celtic ones see more Scandinavian and while the more "southern" ones show more purely English or continental people (France, Spain, Germany).

[Purple Panther]

https://i.imgur.com/9HAJaTQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dJNc69p.jpg

Additional Communities
https://i.imgur.com/QdNSSqG.jpg

Do you know why you're matched with settlers in the Blue Ridge Mountains and North Carolina? Evidently, South Boston isn't one of their communities.

[Coastal Elite]

Do you know why you're matched with settlers in the Blue Ridge Mountains and North Carolina? Evidently, South Boston isn't one of their communities.

I thought the Blue Ridge Mountains would be more of an Ulster-Scot settlement, not Munster. This tar heel identity will take some adjustment.

[Carpatz]

https://i.postimg.cc/PtppbsrW/adnaupdate.jpg

[Purple Panther]

I thought the Blue Ridge Mountains would be more of an Ulster-Scot settlement, not Munster. This tar heel identity will take some adjustment.

It could be that the Scots-Irish stuff is a bit exaggerated. Of course, there are a ton of "Mc" surnames in those regions so both groups might share the same green Gaelic blood.

[alnortedelsur]

Wow! it updated for a second time this year, while I still waiting for my 23andme update.

Here is mine:

https://i6.imageban.ru/out/2022/08/18/0d849a9c82cd03efe0742387283e0077.png

[Mortimer]

Very minor changes

- From 55% Balkan to 58% Balkan
- Northern Indian down from 18% to 16%
- Levant from 1-2% to 3%

That is all, everything else is the same, the communities are still the same too.

[Mayuk24]

Wow! it updated for a second time this year, while I still waiting for my 23andme update.

Here is mine:

https://i6.imageban.ru/out/2022/08/18/0d849a9c82cd03efe0742387283e0077.png

they are getting out my venezueland... well just the north andean... my 2% irish now is 1% irish and 1% wales lol

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/298251921_1207891913388871_4225810035404302360_n.p ng?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=37ulhuMPEYQAX_Qo8dt&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=03_AVJIB1ZndgKjSp_ZsnnDmrM3OYN9Mmfym_wsaKwod03x Lw&oe=6324B351

oye alnortedelsur ... quiero hablar contigo sobre tu g25! , mi resultados son muy similares a los tuyos sin scalar... pero mis resultados scalados no son muy buenos xd no creo que la simulacion los este escalando correctamente .... pero nuestros resultados sin scalar simpere son muy similares ! al menos los primeros 3 resultados .. solo cambian el orden...

[J. Ketch]

Mine:

England & NW Europe - 46% (-2%) - range 38-50%
Ireland - 46% (+1%) - range 30-49%
Scotland - 6% (+3%) - range 0-25%
Sweden & Denmark - 1% (-1%) - range 0-3%
Wales - 1% (-1%) - range 0-5%

Communities:

The Midlands, England - The Potteries
Leinster, Ireland - North Leinster
Central Ireland - Roscommon
Victoria, Australia, European & British Settlers
New Jersey & Eastern Pennsylvania Settlers - Mid-Atlantic Settlers
Pennsylvania, Eastern Ohio, Northern West Virginia & Maryland Settlers - Southwestern Pennsylvania Wilds Settlers

Mother:

England & NW Europe - 82% (no change) - range 72-100%
Wales - 6% (no change) - range 0-9%
Norway - 5% (-2%) - range 0-13%
Scotland - 5% (+2%) - range 0-16%
Ireland - 2% (no change) - range 0-4%

Communities:

The Midlands, England - The Potteries, East Midlands & the Potteries
New Jersey & Eastern Pennsylvania Settlers - Mid-Atlantic Settlers
Pennsylvania, Eastern Ohio, Northern West Virginia & Maryland Settlers - Western & Central Pennsylvania Settlers

[J. Ketch]

I'm partly SW France, and on PCAs I cluster in between France and UK. Are companies incapable of delineating people of Mixed NW and SW lineage?
From what I remember on PCAs you cluster as a Southern shifted British person, perhaps halfway between English and Bretons/some Normans, but not halfway between British and French overall, much more British. Have you ever had a genetic result that reflects this apparently large South French ancestry?

[kingmob]

https://i.ibb.co/vQLWBjR/1.jpg

[Mayuk24]

Pretty disappointing, nothing France and has made it more northern shifted than before, which is puzzling how every company that tries to make my results more "precise" somehow makes my result more broad and Nordic shifted. What is this propensity to take southern shifted groups and place them into northern ones? Even the people I know on this site that are more northern shifted than me don't have that reflected in their result.

England & Northwestern Europe
54%
Scotland
22%
Germanic Europe
11%
Sweden & Denmark
5%
Ireland
5%
Wales
3%

I guess I'm more french that you xd .. hey can you help me with the g25 reults in your other post ? dX , I really need to now how to get mix mode in Vahaduo Dx .... is gonna be the only way that I can actually get some real result from that xD due my 25% NA

[alnortedelsur]

they are getting out my venezueland... well just the north andean... my 2% irish now is 1% irish and 1% wales lol

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/298251921_1207891913388871_4225810035404302360_n.p ng?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=37ulhuMPEYQAX_Qo8dt&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=03_AVJIB1ZndgKjSp_ZsnnDmrM3OYN9Mmfym_wsaKwod03x Lw&oe=6324B351

oye alnortedelsur ... quiero hablar contigo sobre tu g25! , mi resultados son muy similares a los tuyos sin scalar... pero mis resultados scalados no son muy buenos xd no creo que la simulacion los este escalando correctamente .... pero nuestros resultados sin scalar simpere son muy similares ! al menos los primeros 3 resultados .. solo cambian el orden...

I already responded your PM :)

[Gergő Marosvári]

For me the change was cosmetic:

Eastern Europe & Russia: 98% (+1%)
Baltics: 2% (-1%)

What are your genetic communities here?

[RyoHazuki]

From what I remember on PCAs you cluster as a Southern shifted British person, perhaps halfway between English and Bretons/some Normans, but not halfway between British and French overall, much more British. Have you ever had a genetic result that reflects this apparently large South French ancestry?

Yeah, 23andme correctly assigns it. I'm a quarter Aquitainian/Basque and 1/8 Northern French. Using G25 and Gedmatch models it's reflected too, I can be modeled as roughly half Northern French half Isles. I cluster outside British average, just south of it with Bretons/Normans
https://i.postimg.cc/k5yvX5KL/k13sept15nweuro.png

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[michal3141]

What are your genetic communities here?

https://i.imgur.com/TZD3ybb.png

[Gergő Marosvári]

https://i.imgur.com/TZD3ybb.png

You also got South Poland, Slovakia and North Hungary like me. That's great! :)

[zebruh]

My updated results. More or less very similar except i have 1 percent indigenous cuban now? Also says jewish people of europe now. Still have my basque. My italian was divided between north, and the other italian ancestries. I have malta now?
Still not recognized as part of the dominican community but is recognized as puerto rican even though i am 1/4 puerto rican and 1/2 dominican.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220819/d231af117c87aea26365155b5e3dd9cf.jpg

20+2+2+2+1 = 27 native

20+13+3+3+2+1+1+1+1+1 = 46 west eurasian

!0+6+5+2+2+2 = 27 black

[Gergő Marosvári]

My updated results. More or less very similar except i have 1 percent indigenous cuban now? Also says jewish people of europe now. Still have my basque. My italian was divided between north, and the other italian ancestries. I have malta now?
Still not recognized as part of the dominican community but is recognized as puerto rican even though i am 1/4 puerto rican and 1/2 dominican.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220819/d231af117c87aea26365155b5e3dd9cf.jpg

Wooooow!!! I love your results! :)

[zebruh]

Wooooow!!! I love your results! :)

Thanks [emoji106]
They are what they are.
I have more facination with my haplogroups though.
J-L283 And c1b2.
But especially J-L283 because it heavily implies my ancestors were probably illyrians or proto illyrians at some point.
I had a dream when I was 5 that I was in a Bronze age like era like greek or balkan like area. At least the structures looked like it. And we wore togas. Then a mass flood swallowed the earth. This was before I knew anything about history. So its kinda of a connection to me in a weird way

[PaulieVanZant]

https://i.ibb.co/6ZJM2hC/20220819-163924.jpg (https://ibb.co/W3phQ9J)
https://i.ibb.co/0n7rrgt/20220819-164030.jpg (https://ibb.co/kG7XXR1)
https://i.ibb.co/gFG1RVD/20220819-164000.jpg (https://ibb.co/Fq9vDVB)

[Slavic Italian]

Ho hum. One percent here. One percent there. Useless upgrade.

[Benyzero]

Wooooow!!! I love your results! :)

I love your forehead

[Gergő Marosvári]

I love your forehead

szexi mi?
nagy mint egy tepsi

[Benyzero]

szexi mi?
nagy mint egy tepsi

Imádom

[Ratmir]

Ho hum. One percent here. One percent there. Useless upgrade.
Wow, you have almost all the major White American ancestries. I assume you are ca. 50% British/Irish, 25% Southern Italian and 25% Polish, right? Maybe something else but more minor and distant.

[Slavic Italian]

Wow, you have almost all the major White American ancestries. I assume you are ca. 50% British/Irish, 25% Southern Italian and 25% Polish, right? Maybe something else but more minor and distant.

I'm mixed Slav. My ancestors lived in Mazovia, Poland, Grodno Region, Belarus, Poltava, Kherson, Chernihiv in Ukraine. St Pete and Moscow in Russia. Some other places as well but those are primary. I learned a lot about my origins these past four or five months. I think if you go back and like at the entire picture they were Pomeranians. I had an ancestor in Stettin who was a soldier of the Third Reich. I am in process of getting his records from Germany.

[Ratmir]

I'm mixed Slav. My ancestors lived in Mazovia, Poland, Grodno Region, Belarus, Poltava, Kherson, Chernihiv in Ukraine. St Pete and Moscow in Russia. Some other places as well but those are primary. I learned a lot about my origins these past four or five months. I think if you go back and like at the entire picture they were Pomeranians. I had an ancestor in Stettin who was a soldier of the Third Reich. I am in process of getting his records from Germany.
I see but you are only 1/4 Eastern European, as it were. I assume it's still considered Polish American for practical purposes.

[Slavic Italian]

I see but you are only 1/4 Eastern European, as it were. I assume it's still considered Polish American for practical purposes.

I don't see it that way. I've never been called a Polish American...........ever. Yes. I am more Germanic autosomally.

[Ratmir]

I don't see it that way. I've never been called a Polish American...........ever. Yes. I am more Germanic autosomally.
Well, not you, your grandparent was Polish American basically. Polish is the most common Slavic/Eastern European ancestry in the United States. You can only be described as white, maybe Catholic but nonetheless too mixed to fit nto one ethnic box. America has its own culture and history anyway.

[Slavic Italian]

Well, not you, your grandparent was Polish American basically. Polish is the most common Slavic/Eastern European ancestry in the United States. You can only be described as white, maybe Catholic but nonetheless too mixed to fit nto one ethnic box. America has its own culture and history anyway.

I'm not Catholic and all you Euros are mixed as well. You just choose to ignore it. Some of these so called Slavic ancestors were born in Düsseldorf.

[Ratmir]

I'm not Catholic and all you Euros are mixed as well. You just choose to ignore it.
I disagree. A typical European doesn't have grandparents from 3-4 different countries like you do. You are literally a mix of West, East and South. Nothing wrong with that, White American identity exists for people like you, not for a Bavarian, Basque, Kashubian or a Welshman.

[Slavic Italian]

I disagree. A typical European doesn't have grandparents from 3-4 different countries like you do. You are literally a mix of West, East and South. Nothing wrong with that, White American identity exists for people like you, not for a Bavarian, Basque, Kashubian or a Welshman.

My grandparents are not from four different countries. You are making a lot of assumptions and making an ass out of yourself. All of you are a mix of Germanic, Slavic, and some Italian tribes.

[Ratmir]

My grandparents are not from four different countries. You are making a lot of assumptions and making an ass out of yourself. All of you are a mix of Germanic, Slavic, and some Italian tribes.
What is your point? At any rate that admixture is centuries older than the first European colonies on American soil. All people came from elsewhere at some point, depending on how far back you go. But nonetheless being a descendant of post-Civil War white immigrants to the U.S. doesn't make one a typical European. That's simply absurd.

[Slavic Italian]

What is your point? At any rate that admixture is centuries older than the first European colonies on American soil. All people came from elsewhere at some point, depending on how far back you go. But nonetheless being a descendant of post-Civil War white immigrants to the U.S. doesn't make one a typical European. That's simply absurd.

My ancestors have only been here two generations Einstein. I know all the details but I am not sharing them here.

[RyoHazuki]

From what I remember on PCAs you cluster as a Southern shifted British person, perhaps halfway between English and Bretons/some Normans, but not halfway between British and French overall, much more British. Have you ever had a genetic result that reflects this apparently large South French ancestry?

I also ran a 2-way K13 model of TA users to illustrate my admix better, since its SW France it usually appears as Iberian admix

Target: RyoHazuki(English+French) (100 iterations, 122,265 models generated in 0.23 s)
1 2.790 54% dududud_father(french_north) + 46% CreodaDad(Irish)
2 2.913 85% Firemonkey(british) + 15% Tagus
3 3.035 76% barbatus(Afrikaner) + 24% Daco-Celtic-mom(Irish)
4 3.104 81% Graham's_Dad(scottish) + 19% dududud(French+Sardinian)
5 3.340 93% sonofthedutch(dutch/english_canadian) + 7% Vasconcelos(portuguese)
6 3.537 77% Alessio_mother(dutch) + 23% Vasconcelos(portuguese)
7 3.627 82% Skeleton_father(US_Southerner) + 18% CreodaDad(Irish)
8 3.839 75% CreodaDad(Irish) + 25% gixajo_father_cousin(Spain)
9 4.036 92% firemonkey_dad(Eng) + 8% Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas(portuguese)
10 4.135 72% Albannach(scottish/irish) + 28% Hyoga7(portuguese)
11 4.684 100% De_Burgh_II(white_murican) + 0% Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
12 4.810 84% Graham's_Mum(scottish) + 16% gixajo_father_uncle(Spain)
13 4.969 82% NielsW(dutch/german) + 18% gixajo_father_uncle(Spain)
14 5.184 100% Celestia(usa) + 0% nuti(slovak)
15 5.274 95% TieRed_father(french_north) + 5% Vasconcelos(portuguese)
16 5.324 83% Profileid(white_murican) + 17% gixajo_father_uncle(Spain)
17 5.329 100% Davystayn(British) + 0% Hrvoje(croat+slovene)
18 5.372 90% Dreger22310_mother(french_breton) + 10% Vasconcelos(portuguese)
19 5.466 84% Jackson_grandma(english) + 16% Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
20 5.586 76% Farke1(British_Isles+Norway) + 24% Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas(portuguese)

[Graham]

Got some Norway now, lost a bit of Scottish. Ancestry results always seem fine to me with confidence intervals also.


Ethnicity Estimate

Scotland - 66% - range 60-98%
England & NW Europe - 23% - range 20-45%
Ireland - 6% - range 0-13%
Norway - 5% - range 0-8%


Communities:

Orkney & Shetland
Scottish Highlands & Islands
Scottish Central Lowlands
England-Scotland Border

New Zealand, European & British Settlers

[Grace O'Malley]

These are my results and my daughter.

https://i.imgur.com/betFDWj.png

Daughter gets a lot of Scottish that isn't real.

https://i.imgur.com/0to7sd5.png

[JamesBond007]

These are my results and my daughter.

https://i.imgur.com/betFDWj.png

Daughter gets a lot of Scottish that isn't real.

https://i.imgur.com/0to7sd5.png

Here is a thought experiment legally change the name of an Englishman to Irish name and I bet AncestryDNA pumps up his 'Irish Ancestry' up a few notches at least.

[Grace O'Malley]

Here is a thought experiment legally change the name of an Englishman to Irish name and I bet AncestryDNA pumps up his 'Irish Ancestry' up a few notches at least.

Well as my daughter and myself use the same surname I disagree. It's obvious this doesn't happen.

[JamesBond007]

Well as my daughter and myself use the same surname I disagree. It's obvious this doesn't happen.

It might not happen in your families case but I believe it does happen. I believe commercial DNA tests are in business of making money and that means feeding into people's preconcieved notions about themselves.

[Grace O'Malley]

It might not happen in your families case but I believe it does happen. I believe commercial DNA tests are in business of making money and that means feeding into people's preconcieved notions about themselves.

It's obvious this doesn't happen. I have known cases of people that get results that don't match their ancestry and also don't match sibling's results because there has been a NPE. This sort of thing is not unusual. Anyway if they were fluffing results this would come out and in fact would be detrimental to them making money. How accurate would results be by matching surnames when women use their married names and you could have someone with a surname from way back that wouldn't match their ancestry now. Even looking at my dna matches many don't have Irish surnames because they are only partially Irish or they are using a married surname which is not Irish. It just doesn't happen.

[JamesBond007]

It's obvious this doesn't happen. I have known cases of people that get results that don't match their ancestry and also don't match sibling's results because there has been a NPE. This sort of thing is not unusual. Anyway if they were fluffing results this would come out and in fact would be detrimental to them making money. How accurate would results be by matching surnames when women use their married names and you could have someone with a surname from way back that wouldn't match their ancestry now. Even looking at my dna matches many don't have Irish surnames because they are only partially Irish or they are using a married surname which is not Irish. It just doesn't happen.

I kind of see what your saying but I don't believe truth telling is a good strategy to make money but maybe the indicators aren't always surnames.

[J. Ketch]

Here is a thought experiment legally change the name of an Englishman to Irish name and I bet AncestryDNA pumps up his 'Irish Ancestry' up a few notches at least.
Your experiment fails. My surname is Irish and I get a consistent 46% Irish on Ancestry and 47.8% Irish on LivingDNA. My English mother uses the same surname and only gets 2% Irish on Ancestry (and 2.3% on LDNA), in line with genealogy.

From memory your Irish score is consistent between Ancestry and LDNA too.

[Grace O'Malley]

I kind of see what your saying but I don't believe truth telling is a good strategy to make money but maybe the indicators aren't always surnames.

Ancestry are really good at Genetic Communities. I have a tree there but I have nothing for my daughter yet they gave her a correct GC which I don't have which is from her paternal side. I personally don't understand how anyone can believe that these results aren't achieved by the science? The vast majority of people get accurate results. The only reason why some people's results aren't great is because they don't have the correct samples and also because of overlapping populations. There is also going to be limitations if people have very mixed ancestry. It is interesting to see these updates and how they change. I don't know if they will ever be completely accurate with trying to separate very similar populations. As far as European populations go they could improve on their Eastern European results. They most probably don't have enough good samples from these areas.

[JamesBond007]

Ancestry are really good at Genetic Communities. I have a tree there but I have nothing for my daughter yet they gave her a correct GC which I don't have which is from her paternal side. I personally don't understand how anyone can believe that these results aren't achieved by the science? The vast majority of people get accurate results. The only reason why some people's results aren't great is because they don't have the correct samples and also because of overlapping populations. There is also going to be limitations if people have very mixed ancestry. It is interesting to see these updates and how they change. I don't know if they will ever be completely accurate with trying to separate very similar populations. As far as European populations go they could improve on their Eastern European results. They most probably don't have enough good samples from these areas.

Why does MTA state this then ? :
.
Unlike other companies which try to cater to target audiences pre-conceptions about their identity, MyTrueAncestry focuses in accurately determing one's closest match based on tens of thousands of data samples.

^ please do not take this as an endorsement of MTA. It possible there is some truth to the statement while they fail to deliver technically.

[JamesBond007]

Your experiment fails. My surname is Irish and I get a consistent 46% Irish on Ancestry and 47.8% Irish on LivingDNA. My English mother uses the same surname and only gets 2% Irish on Ancestry (and 2.3% on LDNA), in line with genealogy.

From memory your Irish score is consistent between Ancestry and LDNA too.

AncestryDNA shunts most of my Ancestry into Irish and Scottish. LDNA gives me significant English

[Grace O'Malley]

Why does MTA state this then ? :
.
Unlike other companies which try to cater to target audiences pre-conceptions about their identity, MyTrueAncestry focuses in accurately determing one's closest match based on tens of thousands of data samples.

^ please do not take this as an endorsement of MTA. It possible there is some truth to the statement while they fail to deliver technically.

MyTrueAncestry is only a third party site and should be taken with a pinch of salt. On MyTrueAncestry I still match Bronze Age non Irish genomes and Viking genomes even though they now have some of the genomes from Roscommon which is where my paternal ancestry is from. I've got no deepdive with them either. Anyway that site is just the same as any of the third party sites such as Yourdnaportal that is calculator based. You can't compare 23&Me or Ancestry with sites that are just uploading your dna and using calculators. With 23&Me and Ancestry they process your dna and the reason why they are accurate with especially populations like the Irish is that they can identify long strands of dna that are inherited by populations. If you have long term ancestry in a country you are all related to some extent so you inherit similar strands of dna. Anyway I would have thought you would know all of this as you have been around for a long time. Compare someone like Daco-Celtic's results to what he gets on these third party sites?

These are the closes I get to the Kileasheen genomes. I think they have been put into G25 now but I haven't looked at them yet. They are used in the Anglo-Saxon paper that should be published very shortly.

123. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.215 - KIL009
Top 0 % match vs all users


124. Migration Period Lower Saxony Germany Hiddestorf
400 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.226 - HID001
Top 0 % match vs all users


125. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.247 - KIL008
Top 0 % match vs all users


126. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.289 - G21
Top 88 % match vs all users

[JamesBond007]

MyTrueAncestry is only a third party site and should be taken with a pinch of salt. On MyTrueAncestry I still match Bronze Age non Irish genomes and Viking genomes even though they now have some of the genomes from Roscommon which is where my paternal ancestry is from. I've got no deepdive with them either. Anyway that site is just the same as any of the third party sites such as Yourdnaportal that is calculator based. You can't compare 23&Me or Ancestry with sites that are just uploading your dna and using calculators. With 23&Me and Ancestry they process your dna and the reason why they are accurate with especially populations like the Irish is that they can identify long strands of dna that are inherited by populations. If you have long term ancestry in a country you are all related to some extent so you inherit similar strands of dna. Anyway I would have thought you would know all of this as you have been around for a long time. Compare someone like Daco-Celtic's results to what he gets on these third party sites?

These are the closes I get to the Kileasheen genomes. I think they have been put into G25 now but I haven't looked at them yet. They are used in the Anglo-Saxon paper that should be published very shortly.

123. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.215 - KIL009
Top 0 % match vs all users


124. Migration Period Lower Saxony Germany Hiddestorf
400 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.226 - HID001
Top 0 % match vs all users


125. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.247 - KIL008
Top 0 % match vs all users


126. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.289 - G21
Top 88 % match vs all users

I know Grace. I think you misunderstood me. Please allow me to put it another way. Less mainstream sites like illustrativeDNA clash with my AncestryDNA results but only illustrativeDNA shows my German ancestry as Visigothic in ancient mixed mode which tends to leave the impression on me as being more accurate .

[Grace O'Malley]

I know Grace. I think you misunderstood me. Please allow me to put it another way. Less mainstream sites like illustrativeDNA clash with my AncestryDNA results but only illustrativeDNA shows my German ancestry as Visigothic in ancient mixed mode which tends to leave the impression on me as being more accurate .

Ancestry is going to be the most accurate. You should test your theory and use a German surname and order another test with Ancestry. That will put paid to your doubts about the accuracy of these tests.

[JamesBond007]

Ancestry is going to be the most accurate. You should test your theory and use a German surname and order another test with Ancestry. That will put paid to your doubts about the accuracy of these tests.

I know it seems like a bit of a PITA to test my theory out though G25 ancient calcs seem like the best tool a layman can get. The Visigothic sample is legit it clusters with Alsatian.

[Karol Klačansky]

It might not happen in your families case but I believe it does happen. I believe commercial DNA tests are in business of making money and that means feeding into people's preconcieved notions about themselves.

it doesnt happen, there are plenty of people who put fake names etc and get accurate results based on their ancestry.

[Annie999]

This are my PREVIOUS results which go pretty much hand in hand with my paper trail.

https://i.ibb.co/r5tJkyW/V4-0-abril-2022.jpg

Now Ancestry once again switched something into France. My NEW results:

Note: I do have French ancestry but not as much as 26%. I have recent Basque ancestry and Galician, and some general Spanish ancestry from colonial times (don't know which location).

Not only my Iberian decreased, but my 1% native american switched from Eastern South America (correct) to Mexican north American (?).

https://i.ibb.co/2PXJV6L/V5-0-set-2022.png

[nittionia]

I just saw my hacked results for the upcoming Ancestry update and it's quite insignificant and dumb (not surprising anymore). I have pretty much given up on Ancestry for me and I'm only looking forward to the next 23andme update

[calxpal]

I just saw my hacked results for the upcoming Ancestry update and it's quite insignificant and dumb (not surprising anymore). I have pretty much given up on Ancestry for me and I'm only looking forward to the next 23andme update

Out of curiosity how well do their results align with your known background? Do they over or underestimate certain percentages for you?

[nittionia]

Out of curiosity how well do their results align with your known background? Do they over or underestimate certain percentages for you?

It overestimates Norwegian (I have no known Norwegian ancestry and get 20%) and doesn't include any Germanic Europe. For example, on 23andme it gives me only Swedish for my Scandinavian percentage (I do not have Norwegian or Danish ancestry), as well as the correct regions within Sweden. 23andme also gives me ~25% German, too (with some regions). Ancestry DNA gives me no European communities and generally has a hard time with accurately differentiating the whole of northwestern/continental Europe. This is a problem considering a large portion of their users' ancestries are comprised of these regions.

The only thing I like about Ancestry over 23andme is that it doesn't have broadly categories - I have 25% of my 23andme results in broadly categories, but at least the rest of my results are relatively accurate.