What makes Turks come closer to Europeans?

[M4VER1CK]

Sintashta is one of the cultures closest to the Norwegians. It is also common in Iranian peoples.
What about the main reason why Turks have more European contributions than Iranians?
Although some say the botai culture, I don't think it's enough.

Why is the European ratio of Iranian peoples shown high, although today's Europeans are closer to Turks than Iranians?

[Hektor12]

***Aryans from cultures like Andronovo, Sintashta as one of the founding stock of Turkic peoples

***Later intermixing with Iranic peoples (Tajik- like) in Central Asia.

[M4VER1CK]

***Aryans from cultures like Andronovo, Sintashta as one of the founding stock of Turkic peoples

***Later intermixing with Iranic peoples (Tajik- like) in Central Asia.
https://i.hizliresim.com/3yzq632.png (https://www.hizliresim.com/3yzq632)
But why is the "North Europe" heritage shown so highly among Iranian peoples, although the "European" ancestors of modern Turks are more than Iranian peoples?
According to the G25 Examples, they are far from Norwegian, with the Norwegians having the highest northern European heritage.

[Hektor12]

https://i.hizliresim.com/3yzq632.png (https://www.hizliresim.com/3yzq632)
But why is the "North Europe" heritage shown so highly among Iranian peoples, although the "European" ancestors of modern Turks are more than Iranian peoples?

?

[M4VER1CK]

? An old quote.
The Baloch is an Iranian people and has been said to have a very high "Northern European" heritage.
Sites such as MyHeritage also show a high rate of Northern Europe.
Although we are closer to northern Europeans, why are we shown as low in rate?

[Hektor12]

Although we are closer to northern Europeans, why are we shown as low in rate?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?350991-The-genetic-structure-of-the-Turkish-population-reveals-high-levels-of-variation-and-admixture

https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2026076118/asset/c30338cd-e41c-47d1-8c79-e3fd6706005a/assets/images/large/pnas.2026076118fig01.jpg

[Immanenz]

Turks have more EEF/ ANF

[Guti]

***Aryans from cultures like Andronovo, Sintashta as one of the founding stock of Turkic peoples

***Later intermixing with Iranic peoples (Tajik- like) in Central Asia.LMAO!!!

Native language of the Turks is Turanic/Mongoloid.


They don't speak an ARYAN/Kurdic language at all.

[Hektor12]

Native language of the Turks is Turanic/Turkic.

Also native language of billions of Kurds. (Unfortunately)


Don't don't speak an ARYAN/Kurdic language at all.

We dont have to. (Fortunately)

[Guti]

Also native language of billions of Kurds. (Ffortunately)I don't know about what Kurds you are talking about, but I am a KURD and my native language is ARYAN (Kurdic).

Native language of the Turks is Mongoloid, and it has nothing to do with the Aryans at all.


Fortunately my @ss, deelp inside you want to be an 'ARYAN' just who modern Kurds are.

[Hektor12]

deelp inside you want to be 'ARYAN' just who Kurds are.

I want to be the most distant thing to a Kurd. Im honest.

[Guti]

I want to be the most distant thing to a Kurd. Im honest.Why do you bring up 'ARYANS' then?


Kurdish = Aryan language
Kurds = Aryan ethnic group

[Hektor12]

Why do you bring up 'ARYANS' then?

I dont. It all happened in ancient time.

[M4VER1CK]

Turks have more EEF/ ANF
I'm aware dude
Have you looked at the MyHeritage results?
MyHeritage results always show the northern european ratio for Indian/Iranian peoples. Although the Turks are more northern European, these rates do not come out.

[M4VER1CK]

I don't know about what Kurds you are talking about, but I am a KURD and my native language is ARYAN (Kurdic).

Native language of the Turks is Mongoloid, and it has nothing to do with the Aryans at all.


Fortunately my @ss, deelp inside you want to be an 'ARYAN' just who modern Kurds are.
The Iranian peoples are a local people whose languages have been assimilated and invaded.
You have gained linguistic features brought by assimilation. The Kurds, on the other hand, have achieved nothing. They have no place in history
Central Asians, on the other hand, are a Mongol-like race, they have not accomplished much other than invasion.

Our subject is not the past, our subject is the present.
Keep your tail pain to yourself, I don't care about history, all I care about is the genetics of today's peoples

[Guti]

I dont. It all happened in ancient time.Nothing to do with the ancient time.

By the way we don't even know what language Andronovo people spoke. They were illiterate and didn't left any trace of their language. Andronovo were most likely related to the OKUNEV people, who were most likely Mongoloid themselves.


Also, Aryan language has nothing to do with Europea at all. It is a native Middle Eastern/West Asian language part of the Western Iranic family group.
Proto-Aryan language had ergativity and ergativity is an Upper Middle Eastern/NorthWestern Asian grammar feature.\



Modern or ancient Turks are not related and were never related to the Aryans (people who spoke an Aryan/Kurdic as their native language)

[Thracian]

I'm aware dude
Have you looked at the MyHeritage results?
MyHeritage results always show the northern european ratio for Indian/Iranian peoples. Although the Turks are more northern European, these rates do not come out.

MH is a joke. I score 11% Irish, Scottish and Welsh on MH and according to them my strongest genetic group is Poland and Germany (Germans and Poles in Poland and in Germany, and some of their descendants in Northeastern United States, Russia and in Ukraine). Focus on Gedmatch and G25.

[Guti]

The Iranian peoples are a local people whose languages have been assimilated and invaded.
You have gained linguistic features brought by assimilation. The Kurds, on the other hand, have achieved nothing. They have no place in history
Central Asians, on the other hand, are a Mongol-like race, they have not accomplished much other than invasion.

Our subject is not the past, our subject is the present.
Keep your tail pain to yourself, I don't care about history, all I care about is the genetics of today's peoplesSaladin was a Kurd.


My native language is ARYAN. It is a native language of my people and my race. My Aryan people speak an Aryan language for at least 5000 years non-stop. Your native language is Mongoloid, you chinc!

[M4VER1CK]

Saladin was a Kurd.


My native language is ARYAN. It is a native language of my people and my race. My Aryan people speak an Aryan language for at least 5000 years non-stop. Your native language is Mongoloid, you chinc!
I am not Mongolian, I have nothing in common with them, I was born in Europe and I consider myself European. Just because I have 5% Asian doesn't mean I'm one of them.

I respect Iranians, but I have no business with buffoons like you. It was not seen that you Kurds did anything useful, you caused trouble in Syria and Iraq. You were killed in Iran, you were not wanted anywhere.
You wouldn't be ARYAN if the blue-eyed elites hadn't raped you.
Also, Turks have many commanders and leaders.
Stop being jealous of the Turks

It's funny how you call me mongolian.You disgusting gypsy, indian.

[Kyp]

mostly it's their ANF ancestry, since Sintashta ancestry is about the same in Turks and Iranians.

On top of that Turks have additional WHG ancestry from Greeks and Slavs in Western Turkey.


So to sum it up:

-Turks have more Anatolian Neolithic ancestry than Iranians which is a major component of Europeans.
-Turks have about the same amount of Sintashta (Indo Iranian ancestry)
-Turks in the West have additional Yamnaya and WHG ancestry from Balkanites, Slavs and Greeks.

[Guti]

I am not Mongolian, I have nothing in common with them, I was born in Europe and I consider myself European. Just because I have 5% Asian doesn't mean I'm one of them.

I respect Iranians, but I have no business with buffoons like you. It was not seen that you Kurds did anything useful, you caused trouble in Syria and Iraq. You were killed in Iran, you were not wanted anywhere.
You wouldn't be ARYAN if the blue-eyed elites hadn't raped you.
Also, Turks have many commanders and leaders.
Stop being jealous of the Turks

It's funny how you call me mongolian.You disgusting gypsy, indian.Saladin is the greatest Middle Eastern of all time and Saladin was a KURD.

What does it say when the Greatest Middle Eastern ever was a Kurd to you?


Mark my words, we Kurds will send you Mongols back to Mongolia.


My native language is ARYAN, it is also a language of my ARYAN religion the Yezidism. My people are the Ezdis for at least 5000 years. And Ezdis don't mix with the subhumans. That means that I am an Ezdi for 5000 years and since Aryan is a native language of my religion and I have my religion for 5000 years, my native ARYAN language is native to me for 5000 years.


The only Anatolian Lom Gypsies here are the Anatolian Turkic chincs.

[Guti]

mostly it's their ANF ancestry, since Sintashta ancestry is about the same in Turks and Iranians.

On top of that Turks have additional WHG ancestry from Greeks and Slavs in Western Turkey.


So to sum it up:

-Turks have more Anatolian Neolithic ancestry than Iranians which is a major component of Europeans.
-Turks have about the same amount of Sintashta (Indo Iranian ancestry)
-Turks in the West have additional Yamnaya and WHG ancestry from Balkanites, Slavs and Greeks.And on top of every on top, Turks have Mogoloid ancestry, have Mongoloid deep roots, have a Mongoloid native language and belong in Mongolia


Turks are EASTERN Eurasian people!

[M4VER1CK]

And on top of every on top, Turks have Mogoloid ancestry, have Mongoloid deep roots, have a Mongoloid native language and belong in Mongolia


Turks are EASTERN Eurasian people!

You don't even have an ancestor, most Kurds don't even realize you're Iranian.
You are a people clustered with the Indians.
Rape scraps, you adore blue-eyed men who rape you, fuckin' secret gays.
You are part of the indigenous people, the passerby raped your ancestors so you speak ARYAN language.
If the blue-eyed warriors hadn't raped your grandmothers, you would have been no different from the Dravidians.

I also stated that I do not like Mongolian and Central Asian peoples.
Why do you always talk about Turks?
It's true, the Turks did you the biggest rape after the Aryans. :D

[M4VER1CK]

Thanks bro.

[Guti]

You don't even have an ancestor, most Kurds don't even realize you're Iranian.
You are a people clustered with the Indians.
Rape scraps, you adore blue-eyed men who rape you, fuckin' secret gays.
You are part of the indigenous people, the passerby raped your ancestors so you speak ARYAN language.
If the blue-eyed warriors hadn't raped your grandmothers, you would have been no different from the Dravidians.

I also stated that I do not like Mongolian and Central Asian peoples.
Why do you always talk about Turks?
It's true, the Turks did you the biggest rape after the Aryans. :DAll my ancestors were Ezdi Kurds for the last 5000 years non-stop. If they were not Ezdis, I would never be Ezdi. My grandmothers and granddaddies have always been Ezdis.

While you are of a 'bastard' race and have both connection to Central Asia and Anatolia.

Central Asian Turks raped actually your grandmothers to a degree that Anatolians became Anatolian 'Turks' because Central Asian Turks raped your grandmothers.


By the way, real original Aryans were Iran_ChL people and we Kurds have kept our ancient pure Aryan Iran_ChL ancestry intact.


Turks = bastard race with no roots.
My roots = ARYAN. I know that my ancestors were Ezdis for at least 5000 years.

[M4VER1CK]

All my ancestors were Ezdi Kurds for the last 5000 years non-stop. If they were not Ezdis, I would never be Ezdi. My grandmothers and granddaddies have always been Ezdis.

While you are of a 'bastard' race and have both connection to Central Asia and Anatolia.

Central Asian Turks raped actually your grandmothers to a degree that Anatolians became Anatolian 'Turks' because Central Asian Turks raped your grandmothers.


By the way, real original Aryans were Iran_ChL people and we Kurds have kept our ancient pure Aryan Iran_ChL ancestry intact.


Turks = bastard race with no roots.
My roots = ARYAN. I know that my ancestors were Ezdis for at least 5000 years.
I will not make a defense about the Turks because I have nothing to defend.You are still talking about Turks. you're sick
The name you call Iran is originally Aryan, which is the race of those who raped you.
You are originally indigenous people.
You are not Arya herself.
Linguistically you are ARYAN
What spreads is not a tribe or "race". It is language. These are two separate and unrelated objects. Throughout history, languages ​​have spread rarely through immigration, but almost always through political domination. Language is something learned. Societies adopt the language of the dominant or "superior" community. For example, the peoples of Peru and Bolivia are more than ninety percent Native American, but they speak Spanish. The people of Haiti are nearly one hundred percent African in origin, but speak a language derived from French. Sixty or seventy percent of the people of Turkey are indigenous, and twenty percent of them are of Slavic, Caucasian, Gypsy and Arab origin. But he speaks Turkish.
Various dialects of the Indo-European language also spread through domination and assimilation. Sinhalese-speaking Sri Lankans are black-skinned. Central Asians who once spoke Tocharic were probably slanted-eyed. Despite this, they spoke and do speak languages ​​that are no doubt contemporaneous with Icelandic.

[Guti]

You are originally indigenous people.
You are not Arya herself.
Linguistically you are ARYAN
What spreads is not a tribe or "race". It is language. These are two separate and unrelated objects. Throughout history, languages ​​have spread rarely through immigration, but almost always through political domination. Language is something learned. Societies adopt the language of the dominant or "superior" community. For example, the peoples of Peru and Bolivia are more than ninety percent Native American, but they speak Spanish.Honestly, if I am not an Aryan then nobody is.

Only Iranic people speak an ARYAN language. I can't be 'only' linguistically ARYAN because I am related to the other AYRAN people in Iran and Caucasus as well. I am the closest to other Aryans than to other people.

It were the Iberians who brought Spanish and Portuguese language in South America. But those people who brought those language to South America still exist. And they live in Iberia.


Now back to the Aryans. Only ethnic Iranic people speak Aryan languages. Other ethnicities don't speak Aryan dialects at all. Our Aryan language is closely related to our Aryan ethnicity.
All people all over the world who speak an Aryan language are of the same ethnicity and related to me. I am related to other Nortwestern Iranics and the Persians. I am of the same (ARYAN) racial stock as them


In our case:

ARYAN = language = ethnicity or race = religion

[Kyp]

mostly it's their ANF ancestry, since Sintashta ancestry is about the same in Turks and Iranians.

On top of that Turks have additional WHG ancestry from Greeks and Slavs in Western Turkey.


So to sum it up:

-Turks have more Anatolian Neolithic ancestry than Iranians which is a major component of Europeans.
-Turks have about the same amount of Sintashta (Indo Iranian ancestry)
-Turks in the West have additional Yamnaya and WHG ancestry from Balkanites, Slavs and Greeks.

Target: Turkish_Central
Distance: 2.1245% / 0.02124525
30.4 Anatolia_TUR_Barcin_N
15.6 Iran_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.4 Levant_PPNB
15.4 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Caucasus_GEO_CHG
8.0 East_asian/Siberian

Target: Iranian
Distance: 2.3362% / 0.02336227
33.6 Iran_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
18.4 Levant_PPNB
17.8 Anatolia_TUR_Barcin_N
17.2 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 Caucasus_GEO_CHG
2.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
2.2 East_asian/Siberian

[Guti]

Honestly, if I am not an Aryan then nobody is.

Only Iranic people speak an ARYAN language. I can't be 'only' linguistically ARYAN because I am related to the other AYRAN people in Iran and Caucasus as well. I am the closest to other Aryans than to other people.

It were the Iberians who brought Spanish and Portuguese language in South America. But those people who brought those language to South America still exist. And they live in Iberia.


Now back to the Aryans. Only ethnic Iranic people speak Aryan languages. Other ethnicities don't speak Aryan dialects at all. Our Aryan language is closely related to our Aryan ethnicity.
All people all over the world who speak an Aryan language are of the same ethnicity and related to me. I am related to other Nortwestern Iranics and the Persians. I am of the same (ARYAN) racial stock as them


In our case:

ARYAN = language = ethnicity or race = religionSame with the Turks. Those who brought Turkic to Anatolia still exist in Central Asia/Mongolia.


Modern ARYANS are a continuation of the ancient ARYANS. We are their direct heirs. Their history is our history. Their legacy is our legacy.


I am a rightful heir of the Aryan legacy of my Aryan ancestors!. Their pain, their joy is part of me.

[M4VER1CK]

Honestly, if I am not an Aryan then nobody is.

Only Iranic people speak an ARYAN language. I can't be 'only' linguistically ARYAN because I am related to the other AYRAN people in Iran and Caucasus as well. I am the closest to other Aryans than to other people.

It were the Iberians who brought Spanish and Portuguese language in South America. But those people who brought those language to South America still exist. And they live in Iberia.


Now back to the Aryans. Only ethnic Iranic people speak Aryan languages. Other ethnicities don't speak Aryan dialects at all. Our Aryan language is closely related to our Aryan ethnicity.
All people all over the world who speak an Aryan language are of the same ethnicity and related to me. I am related to other Nortwestern Iranics and the Persians. I am of the same (ARYAN) racial stock as them


In our case:

ARYAN = language = ethnicity or race = religion

You are linguistically the first ARYAN.
Aryanism is a culture, not a race.
So what I mean is that Europeans and West and South Asians don't have any racial affiliation.
Culturally, you have an intersection with language.

that's the point

[Guti]

You are wrong. To make it easier for you to understand.


Who speak Spanish? People in South America and Iberia. Both, South Americans and Europeans.

Who speak Turkic? People in Anatolia and Central Asia. Both Anatolians and Central Asians.


Who speak an ARYAN language? ONLY ethnic Iranics aka ARYAN people and nobody else.

[M4VER1CK]

You are wrong. To make it easier for you to understand.


Who speak Spanish? People in South America and Iberia. Both, South Americans and Europeans.

Who speak Turkic? People in Anatolia and Central Asia. Both Anatolians and Central Asians.


Who speak an ARYAN language? ONLY ethnic Iranics aka ARYAN people and nobody else.

I agree
You are already the cultural heir of the ARYAN race.

[Guti]

I agree
You are already the cultural heir of the ARYAN race.No, also culturally, linguistically, religiously and racially.


Just a question where are those your imaginary Aryans who Aryanised the Kurds 'hidden'? Where are those Aryans who still speak an Aryan language and who do not live in the Iranic lands and don't belong to an Iranic racial stock?

[M4VER1CK]

Aryans are expansionist Eurasians. These people migrated, dominated and assimilated the indigenous peoples, and then migrated to the west and disappeared.
First, the elites adopted the Aryan language, then the working class learned this language.
The spread of the Indo-European language was simultaneous with two important technological developments; probably the result of them. The first is the grain agriculture and village life that spread from Anatolia to the world since 7000 BC. The second is the horse culture that spread to the world from Western Eurasia since 3000 BC.

[Voskos]

By Razib Khan , population geneticist (has worked in the design of myorigins calculator at FTDNA a while back iirc):


My post, Are Turks Armenians Under The Hood?, attracted a little bit of controversy. The main criticism, which was a valid one, is that I did not sample Anatolian Greeks. A reader passed on three Anatolian Greek samples. I also added a Cypriot data set. To my mild surprise, the Anatolian Greeks and Cypriots cluster together, at the end of the Greece cline toward West Asians. Therefore, for further analysis, I pooled the three Greeks with the Cypriots.

Additionally, there are two Balkan Turk samples. Even on the PCA it’s pretty clear that they’re genetically very different from the other Turks (one of them is from what has become Bulgaria), though the shift toward East Asians indicates that Turkification is very rarely a matter purely of religious conversion to Islam and assimilation of the Turkish language (obviously it initially is for many people, but these people then intermarry with those with some East Asian ancestry).

One of the major problems is that the Armenian sample and the Anatolian Greek/Cypriot sample are genetically very close. This is obvious in the Fst distance. This is also totally reasonable since both populations occupy Anatolia, and historically there would have been a lot of gene flow between the two groups through isolation-by-distance dynamics.

The Turk position closer to East Asians is due to their East Asian admixture.

You can see it in the admixture plot too. As we all know there is definitely some northern admixture in the mainland Greeks. I haven’t bothered to check with the Mycenaean paper, but I assume that some of this is due to the migration of Slavs after much of the Balkans was abandoned after the reign of Maurice.

Of course, I ran Treemix too. Again, the closeness of the Anatolian Greeks/Cypriots and the Armenians is an issue in making a definitive conclusion.

In terms of drift the Turks seem about as far from Anatolian Greeks as Armenians. There’s the gene flow you’d expect, there are two from East Asians to Turks. I think that’s due to the East Asian source being somewhat heterogeneous, and the Dai outgroup not modeling the source populations perfectly.

Finally, there’s the f3 statistics. They basically show what I’m saying above: Armenians and Anatolian Greeks are both good model sources for Turks. The likely truth is that there is gene flow from all across Anatolia into these Turkish samples.

https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/11/turks-are-anatolian-under-the-hood-somewhat-more-greek-than-armenian/

[M4VER1CK]

mostly it's their ANF ancestry, since Sintashta ancestry is about the same in Turks and Iranians.

On top of that Turks have additional WHG ancestry from Greeks and Slavs in Western Turkey.


So to sum it up:

-Turks have more Anatolian Neolithic ancestry than Iranians which is a major component of Europeans.
-Turks have about the same amount of Sintashta (Indo Iranian ancestry)
-Turks in the West have additional Yamnaya and WHG ancestry from Balkanites, Slavs and Greeks.

Do these examples exist in Vahaduo cultural examples?

[Guti]

Aryans are expansionist Eurasians. These people migrated, dominated and assimilated the indigenous peoples, and then migrated to the west and disappeared.No, you are wrong big time.

ARYANS never disappeared. They still live in Kurdistan and speak their own native ARYAN language, Kurdic. Aryans never stopped speaking an Aryan language in Kurdistan.


Original ARYANS had their own racial (Caucaso-Iranic) stock and their race still lives on in the Kurds.


Aryans still exist, because their heritage, legacy, people/race, religion, culture and language still exist. Where? In KURDISTAN!

[Zoro]

The reality is 21st century people from Turkey to Xinjiang are all mixed up with each other. Turkic vs Iranic nowadays is just mostly a linguistic label.

Most actual Turks of Turkey have less East Eurasian appearance than Iranics such as Tajiks, Iranians (I’m including Azeris and Kurds in this).

Turkmen of Turkmenistan actually have more Iranic ancestry than Mongolic. Iranic ancestry cline continues all the way to Xinjiang

Back to Turkic vs Iranic being linguistic labels. Irainc Tajiks have more E Eurasian ancestry than Turkic Turks. On the other hand R1a Turkic Uyghurs have alot of Iranic ancestry likely Iranic Scythian R1a who were assimilated into the west migrating hordes from Mongolia.

Turks have more native ENF and also WHG from Balkans and less Iran-N than Kurds and Armenians and Georgians and Iranians.

This nice famous Persian song with Chinese vibes illustrates how Iranics have more actual E Asian ancestry than Turkic Turks. It’s all linguistic labels


https://youtu.be/l_ZzI66cIHw

[Guti]

The reality is 21st century people from Turkey to Xinjiang are all mixed up with each other. Turkic vs Iranic nowadays is just mostly a linguistic label.Lol, maybe in your dreams funny guy. As an Upper Middle Eastern/Northwestern Asian I am native to the Upper Mesopotamia. I, as an ARYAN, have nothing in common with the Turkic people in Kirgizstan and Uzbekistan.

I am an ARYAN for at least 5000 years, since the very beginning of my ARYAN (and Mesopotamian) religion the Yezidism/Mithraism.

[Zoro]

Lol, maybe in your dreams. As a Upper Middle Eastern/Northwestern Asian I am native to the Upper Mesopotamia. I am as an ARYAN have nothing in common with the Turkic people in Kirgizstan and Uzbekistan.

I am an ARYAN for at least 5000 years, since the very beginning of my ARYAN (and Mesopotamian) religion Yezidism/Mithraism.

So how come we can’t model you as 100% Iran-Chl. At most maybe you’re 50% Iran-Chl. Btw Iran-Chl were never Aryan nor spoke Aryan language

[Zoro]

….

[Guti]

So how come we can’t model you as 100% Iran-Chl. At most maybe you’re 50% Iran-Chl. Btw Iran-Chl were never Aryan nor spoke Aryan languageIran_ChL were PIEans.
I am sure they gave also rise to proto-ARYAN.

Iran_ChL = Ubaidians = BMAC = ARYANS / Guto-Medes


I am not 100% Iran_ChL because the other biggest part of my ancestry comes from the Late Maykop/Trialeti/Caucasus_EMBA people.

[Halgurd]

So how come we can’t model you as 100% Iran-Chl. At most maybe you’re 50% Iran-Chl. Btw Iran-Chl were never Aryan nor spoke Aryan language

I think Kurds can be modelled up to 80% Iran Chalcolithic.

[Guti]

I think Kurds can be modelled up to 80% Iran Chalcolithic.Bro, just try to model Kurds with the Late Maykop/Trialeti/Armenia_EMBA.

On the academic PCA maps Ezdi Kurds cluster actually closer to the Late Maykop culture people than to Iran_ChL. But Late Maykop was for a huge part Iran_ChL in the first place.

I am looking for that academic PCA map right now.

[Guti]

Bro, just try to model Kurds with the Late Maykop/Trialeti/Armenia_EMBA.

On the academic PCA maps Ezdi Kurds cluster actually closer to the Late Maykop culture people than to Iran_ChL. But Late Maykop was for a huge part Iran_ChL in the first place.

I am looking for that academic PCA map right now.Found it. Red triangles upside down = Armenia_EBA. Dark orange and red squares = Late Maykop and Maykop Novosvobodnaya. While green squares = Iran_ChL.


https://i.postimg.cc/dQHJnY1g/plot.jpg
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08220-8

[Zoro]

I think Kurds can be modelled up to 80% Iran Chalcolithic.

I don’t pay attention to G25 but qpAdm shows modern Kurds as only 38% Iran-Chl. I was being generous with the Yezidi guy when I said 50% because even Hasanlu-IA (2700 years old ) is only 50% Iran-Chl

https://i.imgur.com/OACcoe7.jpg

[Guti]

I don’t pay attention to G25 but qpAdm shows modern Kurds as only 38% Iran-Chl. I was being generous with the Yezidi guy when I said 50% because even Hasanlu-IA (2700 years old ) is only 50% Iran-ChlYou are just butt hurt that Ezdis are the origin of the Kurds, while Turcomons like you will never be considered Kurds by my people in the first place.

[Halgurd]

I don’t pay attention to G25 but qpAdm shows modern Kurds as only 38% Iran-Chl. I was being generous with the Yezidi guy when I said 50% because even Hasanlu-IA (2700 years old ) is only 50% Iran-Chl

https://i.imgur.com/OACcoe7.jpg

With the G25 models I’ve run, Kurds are about 80% Iran-Chalcolithic which makes sense considering BMAC mostly consisted of this anyways. I’m not sure about qpadm

[Guti]

Lol, he is pushing to hard. His model is wrong big time. Why? Iran_ChL had already some Levant_N ancestry in it. Same with BMAC and even the Scythians to some degree. BMAC was mostly Iran_ChL, and of Caucaso-Iranic racial stock


Iran_ChL = CHG + some Iran_N + some Anatolia_N/Levant_N


His model is also completely ignoring the Caucaus_EMBA ancestry in Kurds.


Model is not valid at all! Big FAIL!

[Zoro]

With the G25 models I’ve run, Kurds are about 80% Iran-Chalcolithic which makes sense considering BMAC mostly consisted of this anyways. I’m not sure about qpadm

If you really want to get to the truth it’s worth spending a few months to learn qpAdm because no competent scientist would use a PCA coordinate G25 to model or for distances. It’s sad that Davidski has corrupted so many minds for a few dollars

The other sad thing is users are duped into thinking it’s good just because it clusters them with their ethnicity. They don’t realize clustering =/= accurate models and distances.

[Zoro]

Lol, he is pushing to hard. His model is wrong big time. Why? Iran_ChL had already some Levant_N ancestry in it. Same with BMAC and even the Scythians to some degree. BMAC was mostly Iran_ChL, and of Caucaso-Iranic racial stock


Iran_ChL = CHG + some Iran_N + some Anatolia_N/Levant_N


His model is also completely ignoring the Caucaus_EMBA ancestry in Kurds.


Model is not valid at all! Big FAIL!

Wrong again p value is showing 0.28 for Kurd model. Anything above 0.05 is pass but of course you didn’t know it

[Guti]

Wrong again p value is showing 0.28 for Kurd model. Anything above 0.05 is pass but of course you didn’t know itI think you should try better with appropriate sources, that are historically related to the Kurds.

The acamic PCA maps are still showing that Kurds are native to their own homeland and plot very close to the anciet Northwestern Asians.
On the academic PCA maps we don't plot with Central Asian and Turkic/Mongoloid people at all



What is your thinking about that, ha? Hmm, let me think, who is right, you or the academic world?

[Zoro]

His model is also completely ignoring the Caucaus_EMBA ancestry in Kurds.

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Ok smart guy so you don’t think Turkmenistan IA or Scythian has any Steppe EMBA. Do you even know what the Turkmenistan IA sample is

[Zoro]

I think you should try better with appropriate sources, that are historically related to the Kurds.

The acamic PCA maps are still showing that Kurds are native to their own homeland and plot very close to the anciet Northwestern Asians.
On the academic PCA maps we don't plot with Central Asian and Turkic/Mongoloid people at all



What is your thinking about that, ha? Hmm, let me think, who is right, you or the academic world?

What nonsense. Since when is PCA a model?? Also with PCA they only show PC1 and PC2. What about the remaining 23 PCs. You have to consider them too


Show me one qpAdm model that would contradict

[Guti]

Ok smart guy so you don't think Turkmenistan IA or Scythian has any Steppe EMBA. Do you even know what the Turkmenistan IA sample isBut why are you that sure that Kurds got their Steppe_EMBA from YAZ/Turkmenistan_IA and not Trialeti/Caucasus_EMBA?


Trialeti culture was partly located in Kurdistan, archaeologists have found the Trialeti culture artifacts in Kurdistan. Modern Kurdic/Ezdi and even the ancient Iron_Age Hasanlu Y-DNA hg. R1b is related to the Trialeti Culture. There was 100% some genetic influence from the Late_Maykop/Trialeti people in Kurdistan.


I don't deny some YAZ/Turkmenistan_IA ancestry in Kurds, but we have by far more Late_Maykop/Trialeti ancestry.

[Voskos]

But why are you that sure that Kurds got their Steppe_EMBA from YAZ/Turkmenistan_IA and not Trialeti/Caucasus_EMBA?

According to our fellow Zoro we all descend from Turks through a Q Y-DNA patrilinear Adam.:icon_lol:

By the way I don't question his knowledge in genetics, he seems to master it. But his turancentrism is funny.

[Oturan Boğa]

Target: Turkish_Central
Distance: 2.1245% / 0.02124525
30.4 Anatolia_TUR_Barcin_N
15.6 Iran_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.4 Levant_PPNB
15.4 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Caucasus_GEO_CHG
8.0 East_asian/Siberian

Target: Iranian
Distance: 2.3362% / 0.02336227
33.6 Iran_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
18.4 Levant_PPNB
17.8 Anatolia_TUR_Barcin_N
17.2 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 Caucasus_GEO_CHG
2.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
2.2 East_asian/Siberian

Target: OturanBoga_scaled
Distance: 3.0910% / 0.03091038
26.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
19.6 TUR_Barcin_N
15.4 GEO_CHG
15.4 Levant_PPNB
12.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
10.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Iranian_Zoroastrian
Distance: 2.5629% / 0.02562905
35.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
21.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
18.8 Levant_PPNB
12.0 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 GEO_CHG
1.4 AASI

With Samara sample

Target: OturanBoga_scaled
Distance: 2.9553% / 0.02955324
27.2 TUR_Barcin_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.8 Levant_PPNB
12.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
10.6 GEO_CHG
10.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Iranian_Zoroastrian
Distance: 2.3294% / 0.02329381
35.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
20.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.4 Levant_PPNB
18.0 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 GEO_CHG
1.2 AASI

[Guti]

But his turancentrism is funny.He/she is annoying. Not sure who is more annoying, Zoro or the Ataturk Turks.

I think (s)he is partly of a Turcomon ancestry and a very, very insecure person deep inside. (S)he is trying to make his/her Turcomon ancestry to look more 'normal' or mainstream in Kurdistan. What this person is basically saying: 'so what I have Turcomon ancestry, all Kurds are related to Turcomons in Central Asia in the first place.'


He can also be some well known Balochi dude with some very very distant Kurdish ancestry.

[Zoro]

He/she is annoying. Not sure who is more annoying, Zoro or the Ataturk Turks.

I think (s)he is partly of a Turcomon ancestry and a very, very insecure person deep inside. (S)he is trying to make his/her Turcomon ancestry to look more 'normal' or mainstream in Kurdistan. What this person is basically saying: 'so what I have Turcomon ancestry, all Kurds are related to Turcomons in Central Asia in the first place.'


He can also be some well known Balochi dude with some very very distant Kurdish ancestry.

That’s so stupid. When you can’t disprove what i post using proper genetic methods you start attacking my character . I never denied having some Turkmen ancestry but the Kurds I posted are from my own home town who are 100% kurdish. You’re the insecure one with the claims you can’t prove using qpAdm

You know what i just googled kurd genetics and came upon this blog who also actually uses qpAdm like Eurasian DNA. What excuse do you have now. All the 10 kurd samples used have Turkoman ancestry also??

I don’t think anyone in their right mind will believe you anymore

https://nezihseven.substack.com/p/genetic-makeup-of-kurds-and-coastal

https://nezihseven.substack.com/p/genetic-impact-of-iranic-and-turkic

[Guti]

I never denied having some Turkmen ancestry but the Kurds I posted are from my own home town who are 100% kurdish.I rest my case.

I never tried out qpAdm and it doesn't really interest me. I am not a geneticist, my main field is macroeconomics and IR. I am lazy as fuck, and for me academic peer reviewed academic papers are enough.

But once again that Nezih Seven is still not using Caucasus_EMBA as an output source. For outputs he is still using Iran_N/Irn_ChL, Steppes, Levant_N, plus some Central Asia.


I want also to see Caucausus_EMBA (Maykop, Armenia_EMBA etc.) in his output sources (reference populations).



Btw, you are always very polite and have a correct behaviour, are you a female?

[Zoro]

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I rest my case.

I never tried out qpAdm and it doesn't really interest me. I am not a geneticist, my main field is macroeconomics and IR. I am lazy as fuck, and for me academic peer reviewed academic papers are enough.

But once again that Nezih Seven is still not using Caucasus_EMBA as an output source. For outputs he is still using Iran_N/Irn_ChL, Steppes, Levant_N, plus some Central Asia.


I want also to see Caucausus_EMBA (Maykop, Armenia_EMBA etc.) in his output sources (reference populations).



Btw, you are always very polite and have a correct behaviour, are you a female?

The Kurdish results i post are 100% kurds. There are thousands of Kurds in Iraq who have some Turcoman ancestry and thousands in turkey who have some turkish ancestry. Besides when Aryans and Turkics mixed a couple of thousand years ago to create Turkmen, Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Tajiks and other Iranics it wasn’t just the Turkics who received Aryan ancestry. It works both ways. Turkics received Aryan ancestry and gave the Aryans some Turkic ancestry. I’m not even mentioning Seljuks and Ottomen. So there’s been a ton of Turkic Aryan mixing way before your great grandfather was born

As for my behavior you get what you deserve

[Guti]

The Kurdish results i post are 100% kurds. There are thousands of Kurds in Iraq who have some Turcoman ancestry and thousands in turkey who have some turkish ancestry.I don't care what you post but that Balochi dude and Nezih Seven don't use in their qpAdm models: Caucausus_EMBA (Maykop, Armenia_EMBA etc.) output sources (reference populations). So, their models are biased and skewed as fuck.

There are 50 million Kurds and a few thousand mixed Kurd/Turcomon people have 0 influence on Kurdic DNA. It is impossible to change the DNA of 50 million people.


Turkic people are Eastern Eurasians.
Kurdic people are Western Eurasians.
FACTS