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Beorn
04-13-2009, 12:06 AM
Why we need a British football team


Having drastically misjudged the amount of money we would need to hold the Olympics in the middle of a recession, it's surprising that the greatest controversy surrounding the London Games concerns our football team – a sport most people don’t even notice at Olympic level.
But opposition to the plan is broad and deep. The Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish FAs are against it, fearing their identity will be subsumed under its banner. The Scottish National party (SNP) government in Hollyrood has made its opposition to the plan more than clear, in language designed to provoke the most ire among its supporters. Alex Salmond has called it a "massive own goal". "The whole concept's ridiculous" he continued.

Those who want the end of the United Kingdom fear the plans for the same reason those of us who love this country should support them. They understand the power of sport. They understand its uncluttered, transcendental glory.
Look, for instance, at the two terrorist attacks in Pakistan in recent weeks. The first involved an attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team. Eight people died, including six policemen. There was a saturation of media coverage internationally, even from countries like the UK which were unrelated to any of the countries involved.
The second, a gun attack on a police training centre outside Lahore, involved the same number of deaths (all police cadets) and the wounding of nearly 100 others. The media coverage here was minimal. It struggled to make it on the front page of many newspapers.

There is a very simple reason for this. Sport represents, for most people, a world entirely detached from politics and violence. It is pure and uncorrupted. An attack on a visiting sports team seemed like a gross encroachment on an undiluted and untainted thing. It was an affront to sport's ability to unite, to bring people together who could never understand each other's speech or cultural mores.
It's for this reason that the opposition to a British football team is so vociferous. Scottish and Welsh nationalists cannot afford for sport's power to be harnessed against their political interests. Especially in this country, which loves sport more than any other. After all, a British team might make people realise what Britain can achieve when it is united. It was in these Isles that nearly every sport you care to mention was born: football, cricket, rugby, tennis, golf. And football, of course, presents the greatest threat, because it is the sport closest to Britons' hearts.

There's no way to convince those who are truly committed to independence from the UK of your viewpoint. It's not the kind of issue where you change your mind. But for those of us who believe in Britain, we should add our voices to those calling for a British Olympic football team.
We can see what the World Cup does to the English; the sudden, sunny pride that fills the streets, the flags on cars. International football prompts a love for your country, a strong sense of belonging, of having your emotions entwined with those of the people around you. Sport gives us many things beyond its mere ability to divert, and the most important of those things is a sense of belonging.

This country is terribly confused about itself and its place in the world. Now, more than ever, it needs a sense of belonging. People's sense of being English, Scottish or Welsh needs no confirmation – it is firmly entrenched. And quite right too. But our shared traits are being forgotten. Our sense of humour, our self-deprecation, our culture – these things are shared, by and large, across Britain. Football can help us remember some of that. Even if it is only Olympic football.
Source (http://www.politics.co.uk/analysis/culture-media-and-sport/comment-why-we-need-a-british-football-team-$1285552.htm)

Sigurd
04-13-2009, 07:05 AM
The first football international played by official rules is reputed to be a 0-0 draw between Scotland and England. To strip each of the constituent Home Nations of their own national squads in favour of an all-British squad would be eroding a tradition over 130 years old, making it one of the oldest sporting conventions still in force. :coffee:

Sarmata
04-13-2009, 10:55 AM
Maybe in Olimpic games All-British football team will be very interesting. But national pride probably wrecked this plans. It's shame that players like Ryan Giggs never reached any success with his national team, although he was/is really great player:( Anyway it will be a good way to finally gave England solid goalkeeper:D

Beorn
04-13-2009, 01:14 PM
To strip each of the constituent Home Nations of their own national squads in favour of an all-British squad would be eroding a tradition over 130 years old

I am in very strong agreement with you, Sigurd, but what makes me angry about these Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish "football fans" screaming blue murder at the idea of an all British football team, is that it is only for the Olympics. A representation at world level of all the best of British football.

I don't see people getting in a huff about an all British cycling team! So why football?

The international squads with their respective FAs will still exist and will still be independent.

I'll show you what is the real biscuit for dissent, and it shows it in the comment section:



"No, we don't need a british football team or any other british team as we already have one - it's called either Scottish, Irish or Welsh teams. If any sports player from the above countries are in whatever sport which England isn't in then they are referred to as British. If England is in the game then they are referred to as England. So we already have 'British' teams and we don't need another one."

Helen (Edinburgh) Posted: 07/04/2009 20:07:34



It's that amazing inferiority complex working its delightful magic once again.

Sigurd
04-16-2009, 09:02 AM
but what makes me angry about these Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish "football fans" screaming blue murder at the idea of an all British football team, is that it is only for the Olympics. A representation at world level of all the best of British football.

Decimalisation and metrification didn't stop at decreeing that 1 Pound Sterling = 100 pence.


I don't see people getting in a huff about an all British cycling team! So why football?

Cycling is not a nation's sport. Cycling is a mixture between a singular sport (track competitions at large), a doubles sport (Madison track competition) and a team sport (road racing).

National squads are only usually used for World Championships and Olympics in cycling. Perhaps this is thus why there is less opposition to it?

Or perhaps it is simply a matter of social standing, too? With Cycling considered to be more of a "posh sport" whilst football is considered to be more of a "worker's sport", when workers are generally more secessionist than the higher classes who are oft more unionist?


The international squads with their respective FAs will still exist and will still be independent.

If an all-British team at the 2012 Olympics was considered a great success, then there would always be forces pushing for this to be the norm. FIFA and UEFA might even contest this old status in reference to "If this works for the Olympics, why shouldn't it work for normal play?"

If then the National Squads were to be made into an all-British squad, then next would be league football. Here an integration of especially the Scottish league beyond its top two teams would prove fatal. Most Scottish top-flight teams must rely on their own youth players because they lack the funds to buy expensive foreign players, I see that endangered if they move to the English leagues, where the standard of play is slightly higher and even traditional Scottish clubs like Aberdeen FC or Dundee Utd. would struggle to stay in top-flight.

For me, this is less of a question of national identity, those whose only definition and only outlet for their national pride is football, or sports in general, are useless losers anyhow. What it is to me however is a question which may prove very detrimental to the future of a sport I have loved ever since I was a little boy.

Beorn
05-28-2009, 01:03 PM
Or perhaps it is simply a matter of social standing, too? With Cycling considered to be more of a "posh sport" whilst football is considered to be more of a "worker's sport", when workers are generally more secessionist than the higher classes who are oft more unionist?

Perhaps, but it's more than likely to be simply down to the Scottish being unsure of their standing in life and using any excuse to derail anything to do with the English.


If an all-British team at the 2012 Olympics was considered a great success, then there would always be forces pushing for this to be the norm. FIFA and UEFA might even contest this old status in reference to "If this works for the Olympics, why shouldn't it work for normal play?"All nonsense of course. FIFA and UEFA have assured the relevant FAs that this would not happen and would not be a viable outcome of this whole proposal.


If then the National Squads were to be made into an all-British squad, then next would be league football.Again, rubbish, of course. More scaremongering by idiots and dolts with no intentions of engaging in anything beyond the hem of their kilts.

Beorn
05-28-2009, 01:07 PM
Team GB with no Scots gets green light (http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Team-GB--with-.5309659.jp)

Published Date: 28 May 2009
By Angus Wright

A BRITISH football team for the 2012 Olympic Games is expected to be confirmed as a reality today – without the involvement of the Scottish Football Association.

The board of the SFA met this week to discuss the long-running saga. The SFA has continually rejected the concept of a British team, believing it to be a threat to the identity of the Scotland national team, which exists through Fifa privilege.

But recently there have been concerns that an intransigent stance is damaging the SFA politically, and a proposal was discussed whereby a British team could be entered in the 2012 Games – provided it is all-English.

The Welsh and Northern Irish FAs are expected to adopt the same position as their Scottish counterparts.

SwordoftheVistula
05-29-2009, 11:52 AM
If all the players are going to be from England anyways, might as well call it the 'English' team