Questions many questions

[HunterKillerDrone]

Hello people first post here.I have some questions.I am thinking of doing a DNA test and then also do the whole GEDmatch thingy but i dont know which company to choose 115393 According to this image from Eupedia living DNA has the biggest number of SNPs and should theoretically map me better and also theoretically if i put my raw data from that company to GEDmatch i should get better results.The thing is im not from Great Britain but ancestrally speaking from the south Balkans (mostly) and Greece.I also dont know if Living DNA gives you access to your raw data.So which should i choose ? 23andme,myheritage,ancestry,livingDNA or something else ? Mind you i dont want to spend 500 euros or something so dont propose crazy stuff

[Jingle Bell]

In my opnion the best is 23andme and in 2 place Ancestry.
23andme is very accurate, have haplogroups and traits, but their matches arent that good. MyHeritage is very trash, the results are inaccurate but their matches are good, and Ancetry have a good accuracy, very good regions and good matches, idk about LivingDna traits, haplogroups and etc but my results (Using raw data) were a rly shitty.

[Jingle Bell]

See results of 23andme in Youtube, its perfectly accurate

[HunterKillerDrone]

See results of 23andme in Youtube, its perfectly accurate

The sad thing is that it costs a bit more than the other but i guess ill get it on some discount day.23andme was the one i mostly had in mind to be fair because i have seen all the videos in youtube that you mention

[Jingle Bell]

Yep try it, maybe will have a discount in Christimas

[HunterKillerDrone]

Yep try it, maybe will have a discount in Christimas

I have some more questions.I couldnt really find some exact answer somewhere so i have to ask.I will use colors for my question to make it simpler so dont freak out.Lets say that the mother of a child is 50% blue and 50% red and the father is 50% green and 50% yellow,imagine colors as some sort of race,would the child then be 25%blue,25%red,25%green and 25%yellow (gene wise)? This is the X version of the story.Or would the child receive something like 35%blue,15%red,45%green and 5%yellow (again gene wise) ? Lets call this Y.
Also due to recessivity of some genes would the phenotype of the child only include ceveral of those percentages in a random manner or are all percentages equally represented ? Forexample if the father is 100% yellow and the mother 50% red and 50% blue would the father be more represented or the child could have a "low roll" and look exactly like that 25%red of his mother (thats if he even gets an equal amount of those) and how common would such a "low roll" be ?Finaly what determines which genes will be "hidden" and which not ? Or the whole concept in the way im describing it is wrong ?

Edit;I almost forgot to ask this,if the child has high percentages of blue,small percentages of yellow and goes with another one that has high percentages of blue but also has small percentages of yellow how much will that yellow end up being represented in their child ?

[Jingle Bell]

Basically the kid will get random 50% of each parent, if the mom is 50% Blue and 50% yellow she can get maybe 30% Blue/20% Yellow or 25%/25% or 35%/15% anyway its random, phenotype is even more random, a kid with a white grandparent can look 100% white bcs their phenotype its 100% random, some genes are Dominant and others are recessive, but things like the colour of skin is literally random, generally ppl who are 1/2 arab and 1/2 ssa have a dark-medium brown skin, but they can be fair, dark black skin, light brown and etc. . . And sometimes both the parents have the ancestry from a group, which can cause confusion, Ex: generally a half South Italian and half levantine ppl isnt 50% euro, generally they are 30 - 40% bcs S. Italians can have MENA ancestry, this dont mean the test is wrong. I hope it helped u, my english is a shit so i am trying my best

[Jana]

Living DNA is good for Brits and less so for the rest. Don't buy 23andme, it has terrible raw data quality, not worth the money.

AncestryDNA is your best option, by far.

[HunterKillerDrone]

Basically the kid will get random 50% of each parent, if the mom is 50% Blue and 50% yellow she can get maybe 30% Blue/20% Yellow or 25%/25% or 35%/15% anyway its random, phenotype is even more random, a kid with a white grandparent can look 100% white bcs their phenotype its 100% random, some genes are Dominant and others are recessive, but things like the colour of skin is literally random, generally ppl who are 1/2 arab and 1/2 ssa have a dark-medium brown skin, but they can be fair, dark black skin, light brown and etc. . . And sometimes both the parents have the ancestry from a group, which can cause confusion, Ex: generally a half South Italian and half levantine ppl isnt 50% euro, generally they are 30 - 40% bcs S. Italians can have MENA ancestry, this dont mean the test is wrong. I hope it helped u, my english is a shit so i am trying my best

Yes of course you did help :) So the corelation between phenotype and genotype is low ? I personally dont really believe that because i can see the exact same nose,skull and in general body shape and colours in my grandfather,my father and also me.Were not like 100% copies but for the most part we are very close.I believe that anthropological classifications can be good if you have enough pictures to go 2-3 generations back.If you only have one picture of a person born a few years back with no knowledge of parents and grandparents then you can only guess but never really know.

[HunterKillerDrone]

Living DNA is good for Brits and less so for the rest. Don't buy 23andme, it has terrible raw data quality, not worth the money.

AncestryDNA is your best option, by far.

If thats true then im gonna be saving near 100 euros worth of money.Does ancestry include haplogroups ? Or do they not matter that much when looking at the greater picture ?

[Jingle Bell]

Look, 23andme's test itself is much more complete and accurate, it has haplogroups, traces etc, but their raw data is quite average, Ancestry is accurate too (not as accurate as 23andme, but it's good) but the raw data of them is very good and your Gedmatch, g25 and etc results will be much better, so in General 23andme is better, but Ancestry is cheaper and has the raw data advantage, your GEdmatch and g25 results will be better and it is with them you will have a lot of fun, but g25 is paid (26.99 EU in Illustrative Dna + Results) so if you want to use results in various calculators (Ancient and modern) and have a good fun get Ancestry, but if you want extremely accurate results and haplogroups take 23andme, come to think of it I would really take ancestry, the g25 coordinates are as good as 23andme and are a lot of fun

[Jingle Bell]

A guy on reddit once told me that one of the biggest proofs that Genotype doesn't really relate to phenotype is the Cro-Magnon types in southern Europe, since many South Europeans have phenotypes sometimes full Cro-Magnon (WHG) but it's less than 15% WHG most of the time, it would make a lot more sense for them to be all Meds since they are more than 50% EEF usually, but the dna of only 15% WHG ends up dominating the phenotype, it's pretty random

[Jingle Bell]

double post

[JamesBond007]

Look, 23andme's test itself is much more complete and accurate, it has haplogroups, traces etc, but their raw data is quite average, Ancestry is accurate too (not as accurate as 23andme, but it's good) but the raw data of them is very good and your Gedmatch, g25 and etc results will be much better, so in General 23andme is better, but Ancestry is cheaper and has the raw data advantage, your GEdmatch and g25 results will be better and it is with them you will have a lot of fun, but g25 is paid (26.99 EU in Illustrative Dna + Results) so if you want to use results in various calculators (Antiogas and modern) and have a good fun get Ancestry, but if you want extremely accurate results and haplogroups take 23andme, come to think of it I would really take ancestry, the g25 coordinates are as good as 23andme and are a lot of fun

What is your opinion illustrativeDNA's or G25's modern closest populations ? Were they accurate for you ?

[HunterKillerDrone]

Look, 23andme's test itself is much more complete and accurate, it has haplogroups, traces etc, but their raw data is quite average, Ancestry is accurate too (not as accurate as 23andme, but it's good) but the raw data of them is very good and your Gedmatch, g25 and etc results will be much better, so in General 23andme is better, but Ancestry is cheaper and has the raw data advantage, your GEdmatch and g25 results will be better and it is with them you will have a lot of fun, but g25 is paid (26.99 EU in Illustrative Dna + Results) so if you want to use results in various calculators (Ancient and modern) and have a good fun get Ancestry, but if you want extremely accurate results and haplogroups take 23andme, come to think of it I would really take ancestry, the g25 coordinates are as good as 23andme and are a lot of fun

I have come to realize that the most important tool in DNA analysis is GEDmatch and from what ive seen on various forums they only care about that.If i can pay 50 euros (ancestry) and have my data uploaded on GEDmatch and get the same results as if i pay 130 euros (23andME) then the answer is pretty obvious about which one ill choose

Edit;Why use and what is G25 ? I thought of just using K13,K15 and all that kind of stuff

[HunterKillerDrone]

A guy on reddit once told me that one of the biggest proofs that Genotype doesn't really relate to phenotype is the Cro-Magnon types in southern Europe, since many South Europeans have phenotypes sometimes full Cro-Magnon (WHG) but it's less than 15% WHG most of the time, it would make a lot more sense for them to be all Meds since they are more than 50% EEF usually, but the dna of only 15% WHG ends up dominating the phenotype, it's pretty random

I live in Southern Europe and i cant say i see many Cro-Magnons down here.I believe that phenotype is heavily depended on lifestyle

[Jingle Bell]

Yea, was very good, all my fits was under 5 and the calculators are amazing, and i got my real g25 too, IllustrativeDna is just very very good

[Jingle Bell]

U mean k25 or g25? G25 is one of the best calculators, bcs u just need your results to use in literally in any calculator of g25, and is very accurate, u can see one of my results in my signature (Under this reply) and this exactly match with my family history, u can get it with your illustrative results which are amazing too, like i just love Illustrative was the best of all calculators and g25 ill give u a lot of fun, u ill use modern, medieval, neolithic, paleolithic and many more calculators, both are just amazing, and with Ancestry raw data ill be a lot better too

[HunterKillerDrone]

U mean k25 or g25? G25 is one of the best calculators, bcs u just need your results to use in literally in any calculator of g25, and i very accurate, u can see one of my results in my signature (Under this reply) and this exactly match with my family history, u can get it with your illustrative results which are amazing too, like i just love Illustrative was the best of all calculators and g25 ill give u a lot of fun, u ill use modern, medieval, neolithic, paleolithic and many more calculators, both are just amazing, and with Ancestry raw data ill be a lot better too

I ment G25 sorry :)

[HunterKillerDrone]

U mean k25 or g25? G25 is one of the best calculators, bcs u just need your results to use in literally in any calculator of g25, and i very accurate, u can see one of my results in my signature (Under this reply) and this exactly match with my family history, u can get it with your illustrative results which are amazing too, like i just love Illustrative was the best of all calculators and g25 ill give u a lot of fun, u ill use modern, medieval, neolithic, paleolithic and many more calculators, both are just amazing, and with Ancestry raw data ill be a lot better too

I guess ill go with Ancestry then :D

[HunterKillerDrone]

One more question regarding all those tests,how much afraid should i be for my privacy ? Facebook,instagram,discord,google and all these companies gather a massive amount of data from people worldwide and at this point its not that much different from monitoring and spying.I doubt any of these DNA testing companies differ much but from what ive seen they do allow people to delete their data and theres even an option to ask for your sample to be destroyed.Even GEDmatch allows you do delete the data you uploaded at any time you want.My question is,does this really happen or do they keep backup files of my data in some place and just wisper sweet words about data deletion in my ears ?

[Jingle Bell]

This part is tricky because there is very little information revealed, as far as I know some companies like Gedmatch use their data to help the police solve crimes, but I don't know what crime and how they do it, in the end we are always deceived and we listen manipulated things, so I don't know the answer, I believe that Ancestry only uses your data for their results (Since it's a private company with no government involvement) but Gedmatch and a few others have data exchanges with government companies. . . if you don't trust Gedmatch very much (I don't feel very safe with them either) use YourDnaPortal and IllustrativeDna after your Ancestry results as they talk a lot about your results being protected and not being revealed to anyone and and not even to the government, but who knows? companies lie and lie to us, nowadays you can't trust anyone anymore. . .

[HunterKillerDrone]

I have seen multiple people talking about this in youtube and even a guy that traveled all the way to 23andMes labs where they showed him how they dispose and throw away the samples that people requested to be destroyed.The whole thing seemed fine but in the end we must have eyes even in our back as they say around here.I will just use a fake name,ask for data deletion and if the time comes for me to blow the parliament i will make sure to leave no DNA around :D :D

[Jingle Bell]

Lol it's true, we have to be aware of things related to our privacy

[HunterKillerDrone]

I guess this will be my final question,how much different would someones results be if he had a standart DNA test and if he had a full genome sequencing one ?

[Zoro]

I guess this will be my final question,how much different would someones results be if he had a standart DNA test and if he had a full genome sequencing one ?

Not much on sites like gedmatch or dna upload sites because their calculators have already been designed on Ancestry and 23andme SNPs before whole genome sequencing became affordable so even if you have wgs those calculators will only look at your ancestry and 23andme snps inside your wgs.

A whole lot of difference in formal scientific analysis though when done on whole genomes

[HunterKillerDrone]

Not much on sites like gedmatch or dna upload sites because their calculators have already been designed on Ancestry and 23andme SNPs before whole genome sequencing became affordable so even if you have wgs those calculators will only look at your ancestry and 23andme snps inside your wgs.

A whole lot of difference in formal scientific analysis though when done on whole genomes

Would the answers i would get from a full genome test as far as ancestry goes be totally different to a more standard one (coupled with GEDmtach) or they would be negligible and i would just get more information that has to do with personal traits and medical stuff ?

I would really like an answer to this

[HunterKillerDrone]

Would the answers i would get from a full genome test as far as ancestry goes be totally different to a more standard one (coupled with GEDmtach) or they would be negligible and i would just get more information that has to do with personal traits and medical stuff ?

I would really like an answer to this

Can someone please answer me this