Full genome test

[HunterKillerDrone]

Would the answers i would get from a full genome test as far as ancestry goes be totally different to a more standard one (coupled with GEDmtach) or they would be negligible and i would just get more information that has to do with personal traits and medical stuff ?

[HunterKillerDrone]

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[Slavic Italian]

You would get more personal traits and medical stuff. This level of testing is very overrated. You want to do yourself a favor? Do Big Y testing. Autosomal testing is messy and the truth is it goes back only one generation. They do not want you to know that. You want the details? You need to do FTDNA Big Y and join every project that relates to you. They are free.

[oszkar07]

You would get more personal traits and medical stuff. This level of testing is very overrated. You want to do yourself a favor? Do Big Y testing. Autosomal testing is messy and the truth is it goes back only one generation. They do not want you to know that. You want the details? You need to do FTDNA Big Y and join every project that relates to you. They are free.

I did the Big Y with FTDNA years ago.
In my experience it was a total rip off.
I also did the Mtdna with them which has some interesting results.
None of my Y Haplo or Mtdna matches were close.
All very distant matches even though I did the test in 2016.


Personally I prefer autosomal DNA results.
The Ydna haplogroup that I have does not have that much significance in terms of my Paternal autosomal ethnic background. My Ydna Hap is probably early Germanic
but my Paternal heritage is east central european and there is no recent or significant Germanic ancestors or strong cultural affiliations so whilst it is still interesting it is only 1 component and who knows how long ago that particuliar paternal ancestor individual was Germanic. I will give you another example there are although very rare even people in the middle east that can have my haplogroup I have seen this in the Yhaplo project groups on FTDNA maybe they had an ancestor from the crusades. But point is doesnt really make them German if they are predominantly autosomally say Palestinian.
For me FTDNA has not been great , my Origins result has changed significantly over the updates since I tested in 2016. The current update of Myorigins for me is pretty weird. My Ancestry and 23me result much more realistic.

[oszkar07]

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[Jingle Bell]

Yeah i agree, i alr saw a Italian with E1b1a, but he scored like 89% Italian and the rest majority Frech and German with few West Asian and NA, have a SSA haplogroup dont makes him African or anything, i have both my Ydna and Mtdna of SSA origin, but i am mostly West Eurasian and almost 45% European :coffee:

[Slavic Italian]

I did the Big Y with FTDNA years ago.
In my experience it was a total rip off.
I also did the Mtdna with them which has some interesting results.
None of my Y Haplo or Mtdna matches were close.
All very distant matches even though I did the test in 2016.


Personally I prefer autosomal DNA results.
The Ydna haplogroup that I have does not have that much significance in terms of my Paternal autosomal ethnic background. My Ydna Hap is probably early Germanic
but my Paternal heritage is east central european and there is no recent or significant Germanic ancestors or strong cultural affiliations so whilst it is still interesting it is only 1 component and who knows how long ago that particuliar paternal ancestor individual was Germanic. I will give you another example there are although very rare even people in the middle east that can have my haplogroup I have seen this in the Yhaplo project groups on FTDNA maybe they had an ancestor from the crusades. But point is doesnt really make them German if they are predominantly autosomally say Palestinian.
For me FTDNA has not been great , my Origins result has changed significantly over the updates since I tested in 2016. The current update of Myorigins for me is pretty weird. My Ancestry and 23me result much more realistic.

I have found several close matches including two immediate family members in Poland. Autosomal testing is garbage. G25 is a joke too. I can plug in several different ethnicities and come up with very similar distances.

[oszkar07]

I have found several close matches including two immediate family members in Poland. Autosomal testing is garbage. G25 is a joke too. I can plug in several different ethnicities and come up with very similar distances.

The opposite has been the case for me.
I have got some close and recognisable family members through autosomal matches.
I have been able to discern more info about my family tree through conversing and seeing family tree's of
autosomal matches.
Big Y for me has not been fruitfull but some autosomal calculators either gedmatch type or G25 have correctly discerned correctly my ethnic admixture.

[HunterKillerDrone]

You would get more personal traits and medical stuff. This level of testing is very overrated. You want to do yourself a favor? Do Big Y testing. Autosomal testing is messy and the truth is it goes back only one generation. They do not want you to know that. You want the details? You need to do FTDNA Big Y and join every project that relates to you. They are free.

Is it true that they only go one generation back ? If thats true then why isnt that enough to know where you came from ? In the end if you know anthropology,have pictures of two to three generations back and combine it with your results you can easily tell whats going on.I have pictures three generations back and i can tell you not much has changed apart from maybe the color but im skeptical of that too (im talking about my fathers side).Of course im not gonna rely solely on any DNA company but have my raw data analyzed by GEDmatch too,does that also only go one generation back ?

When i said full genome tests i meant something like what Nebula does where they pass your DNA 1000 times through the machine and do a "deep ancestry" thing that costs 1000 euros.

I have also asked this question again in another thread,how much do you think phenotype corelates with genes ? I believe that unless someone is ultra mixed then theres not that much of a difference but ill wait on your answers

One of you sais do Y DNA the other autosomal which one should i believe :) ?

My final question,do you people identify yourselfs with your phenotype or your genotype ?

[Slavic Italian]

Is it true that they only go one generation back ? If thats true then why isnt that enough to know where you came from ? In the end if you know anthropology,have pictures of two to three generations back and combine it with your results you can easily tell whats going on.I have pictures three generations back and i can tell you not much has changed apart from maybe the color but im skeptical of that too (im talking about my fathers side).Of course im not gonna rely solely on any DNA company but have my raw data analyzed by GEDmatch too,does that also only go one generation back ?

When i said full genome tests i meant something like what Nebula does where they pass your DNA 1000 times through the machine and do a "deep ancestry" thing that costs 1000 euros.

I have also asked this question again in another thread,how much do you think phenotype corelates with genes ? I believe that unless someone is ultra mixed then theres not that much of a difference but ill wait on your answers

One of you sais do Y DNA the other autosomal which one should i believe :) ?

My final question,do you people identify yourselfs with your phenotype or your genotype ?

With Big Y I have traced back to the 1300s. No autosomal testing would have led me this far back. Phenotypes don't mean shit. Me and my brother do not even look related. We have two totally different body types and different faces.

[HunterKillerDrone]

With Big Y I have traced back to the 1300s. No autosomal testing would have led me this far back. Phenotypes don't mean shit. Me and my brother do not even look related. We have two totally different body types and different faces.

How much does a Y DNA cost ? What about the maternal side ? I dont believe that phenotypes mean shit and i very rarely have a problem with understanding where someone is from with a picture of them and their father and mother.At least when it comes to Balkans and southern Europe everything above i just call it norther,western or eastern European.If i have a picture of their grandparents then i can be even more accurate.Unless the people im looking at are very disgenic or very very mixed it really is not hard.The only people i have problem finding is jews assimilated by Europeans but usually just by searching their past you can find what groups they belonged to.Why is anthropolgy hated so much in these forums anyway ?

[Slavic Italian]

How much does a Y DNA cost ? What about the maternal side ? I dont believe that phenotypes mean shit and i very rarely have a problem with understanding where someone is from with a picture of them and their father and mother.At least when it comes to Balkans and southern Europe everything above i just call it norther,western or eastern European.If i have a picture of their grandparents then i can be even more accurate.Unless the people im looking at are very disgenic or very very mixed it really is not hard.The only people i have problem finding is jews assimilated by Europeans but usually just by searching their past you can find what groups they belonged to.Why is anthropolgy hated so much in these forums anyway ?

Come to the USA. Lets see how many people you identify by their phenotypes other than the obvious. There are many of you who overestimate their worth as far as ancestry is concerned. You can get your maternal DNA tested as well. I have done both and gotton more out of them than any autosomal test.

[JamesBond007]

I have found several close matches including two immediate family members in Poland. Autosomal testing is garbage. G25 is a joke too. I can plug in several different ethnicities and come up with very similar distances.

G25 has a steep learning curve and you are doing it wrong. You probably don't have enough skill to model yourself using Iron Age and Medieval or middle age samples. IllustrativeDNA uses G25:

"I have a positive opinion of Illustrative DNA, in large part because they try to run your coordinates against targeted ancient populations that would make sense based on your recent ancestry. IMHO that is the way G25 should be used, 'cause if you just let the tool run wild, without human inspection and tweaking, it very often will give you implausible and impossible results.

Of course, this is still mostly for fun and curiosity, though. Sometimes people tend to overestimate what G25 can do, and look at this tool as if it were the most advanced thing out there, when in reality it can often be less accurate than some older Eurogenes tools, such as K15 and K36, and is still definitely not at the same level as some major companies such as 23andme and AncestryDNA when it comes to recent ancestry."

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22349-Illustrative-DNA&p=768242&viewfull=1#post768242

[HunterKillerDrone]

Come to the USA. Lets see how many people you identify by their phenotypes other than the obvious. There are many of you who overestimate their worth as far as ancestry is concerned. You can get your maternal DNA tested as well. I have done both and gotton more out of them than any autosomal test.

The US is a mess but you can tell what someone is or at least you can see that he is atypical.100 years ago it was crystal clear what everyone was just by looking at them (apart from jews) so i believe that racemixing aside modern lifestyle changes us a lot.The more obvious the looks the "purer" the sample that are we are looking at as ive come to realize.Genes do corelate with looks to a great extend but not completely.You didnt really answer me though how much does a Y test cost ? Then comes the most problematic part of all this for me,what should i identify myself with ? We could go by looks,by autosomal or by Y DNA but what is the best one to choose ? I dont come from a background where everyone is one thing so the identity thing becomes even more complicated.In the end how much should anyone rely on these tests ? Could the results change a lot in a few years due to a breakthrough in science ? Im new to all this stuff so explain in detail if you can.

[oszkar07]

The US is a mess but you can tell what someone is or at least you can see that he is atypical.100 years ago it was crystal clear what everyone was just by looking at them (apart from jews) so i believe that racemixing aside modern lifestyle changes us a lot.The more obvious the looks the "purer" the sample that are we are looking at as ive come to realize.Genes do corelate with looks to a great extend but not completely.You didnt really answer me though how much does a Y test cost ? Then comes the most problematic part of all this for me,what should i identify myself with ? We could go by looks,by autosomal or by Y DNA but what is the best one to choose ? I dont come from a background where everyone is one thing so the identity thing becomes even more complicated.In the end how much should anyone rely on these tests ? Could the results change a lot in a few years due to a breakthrough in science ? Im new to all this stuff so explain in detail if you can.

The Ydna gives you an insight into what possible ethnicity your most distant male ancestor could have been...(so your Father's greatest Grandfather) If for example you are a southern slav and your Ydna Hap is one that is common for southern Slavs then you can conclude that on your Fathers line you have a direct long lineage
of South Slav paternal ancestors. But that in itself doesnt mean that those men had not mixed with other ethnicities because its not giving you their autosomal information but only what likely ancestor there greatest Grandfather was. Other way to explain it you could have a Y haplo that is Germanic but yet most of your autosomal genetics could be Slavic. So how much a person identifies with their Yhaplogroup depends on all these points. If you are autosomally Slavic and culturally Slavic and your Ydna Haplo is SLavic it probably seems logical to also identify strongly with that, however in that case if your Y Haplo was Scandinavian but all your automosmal DNA is Slavic and you are culturally Slavic then identifying with your Scandinavian Y Haplo seems a bit odd, however ofc a person may do that if they wish.

[mitalit]

This is my case. I have much more snps (23andme is kinda bad tho)

Full
https://i.gyazo.com/3f898cc6498c4872b13a93aa7e0adc78.png

23andme
https://i.gyazo.com/1e3122a615cfa0df4dc5ba9344c1e741.png

[HunterKillerDrone]

The Ydna gives you an insight into what possible ethnicity your most distant male ancestor could have been...(so your Father's greatest Grandfather) If for example you are a southern slav and your Ydna Hap is one that is common for southern Slavs then you can conclude that on your Fathers line you have a direct long lineage
of South Slav paternal ancestors. But that in itself doesnt mean that those men had not mixed with other ethnicities because its not giving you their autosomal information but only what likely ancestor there greatest Grandfather was. Other way to explain it you could have a Y haplo that is Germanic but yet most of your autosomal genetics could be Slavic. So how much a person identifies with their Yhaplogroup depends on all these points. If you are autosomally Slavic and culturally Slavic and your Ydna Haplo is SLavic it probably seems logical to also identify strongly with that, however in that case if your Y Haplo was Scandinavian but all your automosmal DNA is Slavic and you are culturally Slavic then identifying with your Scandinavian Y Haplo seems a bit odd, however ofc a person may do that if they wish.

I will just have an autosomal test and maybe in the future have a Y one but i think the autosomal will be enough.Again how much do Y ones cost ?

[HunterKillerDrone]

This is my case. I have much more snps (23andme is kinda bad tho)

Full
https://i.gyazo.com/3f898cc6498c4872b13a93aa7e0adc78.png

23andme
https://i.gyazo.com/1e3122a615cfa0df4dc5ba9344c1e741.png

Were they accurate for you ?