Why i score so much Basque?

[Jingle Bell]

Hi Guys, some time ago i get my g25 coordinates and i realized that in all the calculators I used I was modeled as Basque, I found it very strange since Basques are very unique genetically and it is very difficult to confuse them with Portuguese and Galician, here are some results of mine in several calculators g25, illustrativeDna and in genera (A Brazilian genomic ancestry company like 23andme):

K100 g25: (4x)
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Wow, how i got 30% Basque???

Standart Model: 4x
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A very high WHG but a very low Yamnaya (Typical in Basques and South Occitans) for someone who is 40% - 45% Unknown Iberian

Lm K47 Genetics: 4x
115631
Again, 27% Basque . . .

G25 Known Vs Unknown Ancient Model:
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If u thinked for 1 sec: "Wait, he scored 0% Basque" wait to see how Basques are modeled in this calculator:
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Basically 1/2 Sardinian + 1/2 Celto-Germanic, and i scored basically 18% Sardinian and 18% Celto-Germanic . . .

World 6BC: This say to use R5 and 0.25 so i used
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Wait? Sardinian (Carthage is Sardinian + Mena) + NW Euro? . . . Again, basically 3/8 Basque + 1/8 MENA + 4/4 SSA + some Native . . . .

Genera (Genera use ur saliva, so isnt by Raw Dta, and i got my raw data for g25 in genera)
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First i am only 47% caucasian? Strange but ok, but my European part is mostly Iberian 12% + 8% North Italian + 7% Sardinian + 4% Basque and etc. . .so again i get sardo-Basque

IllustrativeDna (Ancient Mode with all Populations)
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Now Modern Mode with All populations:
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115641
and 0.2 Siberia
As u can see, again 1/3 of who i am is modeled as Basque. . . again . . .

Gedmatch Dodecad K12b
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A very high Altanto-Med but low North European, like a Basque. . .(Ignore the MENA, comes from my jewish ancestors)
Oracle-4:
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Prob 30% - 40% Iberian (Prob Basque) bcs the jews from NA have a large % of Iberian and Italian Dna

So yeah, of my 4 surnames 1 comes from a slave owner, 1 North portugal, 1 form South portugal and 1 Iberian but unknown
In wiki looks like the colonizers of my region were mostly North portugueses, galicians and Madeirans (Its say nothing about Basque)
I am being modeled like basque because of my low steppe and high WHG? Or its prob basque related ancestry?
Or my ancestors were """"Pure""'" Iberians like the Basques genetically until when they mixed with my jewish and moricos ancestors?
Welp, this is very confusing and im losting my pacience?
Ty for having pacience and interest to read my text :loveheart:

[Tongio]

Basque + some morisco /sephardic jew/North african = portuguese.
These calculators are kinda shit , só dont take them too seriously/literaly. Me for example i score unusualy low WHG(6-9%) and typicaly Iberian steppe values 28-32%, being 13% non european (6% afro, 6%,Lebanese,<2% native)These are simulated g25 só the mistakes can bê in there too.

[Jingle Bell]

I dont trust in simulate bcs when i used they south-shifted me as hell, i was getting even 8% WHG! and 7 - 8% Yamnaya, now i score 6% WHG which still kinda high but now i score 11.8 - 13.6 which is ok for a ~40 Galician

[Jingle Bell]

Oh its true, a Portuguese can be modeled like 70% basque + 20% MEna + 10% Steppe in g25, and i have extra MENA so makes sense, i guess the Basque + MENA is closer to me bcs my WHG is high and my PIE is a little lower i am ~40 galatian so the median was i be somewhat like 3,5 - 4,5 bt i can score even 6% in some calculators, i guess this explain why i got a higher Luistan/Tartessian and lower Gaul celt/Hallsttat celt in some calculators

[Jingle Bell]

hey, if u want, try this source, even if u g25 is simulated i guess its wont be that bad
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ib2atnTV0s12P4FjuLrK7pBg9wfNDuwp9EwG9qAkXS0/edit?usp=sharing
i got other Ancient tribes samples:
Indo_European:Celt_Continental_Gaulish,0.1286181,0 .1405686,0.0552195,0.0323742,0.0450434,0.0102858,0 .0019185,0.003591,0.0110272,0.0156209,-0.0012466,0.0067967,-0.014011,-0.0097561,0.0146744,0.0033651,-0.0014434,0.0028745,0.0026281,0.0012137,0.0059257, 0.0033099,-0.0035572,-0.0001795,0.0008343
Non_Indo_European:Native_Tartessos_Turdetanians,0. 1200835,0.1497905,0.050534,-0.0134045,0.064166,-0.0133865,-0.0019975,0.0047305,0.046018,0.062416,-0.003735,0.012214,-0.022894,-0.013212,0.0059715,-0.0007955,-0.0037815,-0.003864,0.001571,0.003064,0.0146615,0.0007415,-0.00758,-0.0265095,0.002215
Non_Indo_European:Native_Iberian_&_Tartessian_(Prob_with_some_IE_Admixed),0.1269128, 0.1571532,0.055625,-0.0073482,0.0667815,-0.006763,-0.0067562,0.0053652,0.048063,0.0672453,-0.0018675,0.0116522,-0.0258298,-0.0177187,0.005225,0.0056685,0.0052478,-0.0016785,0.0006285,0.0003122,0.0087348,0.001082,-0.0048685,-0.0211775,-0.0010475
Indo_European:Lusitanian_Non_Celt,0.1225493,0.1455 593,0.052797,-0.001938,0.0672947,-0.0057637,-0.003525,0.0023077,0.0404277,0.0516943,-0.0036267,0.012489,-0.02557,-0.0227537,0.0090933,0.0160877,0.0200357,-0.0012247,-0.005908,0.0018757,0.0141003,-0.0013187,-0.0056693,-0.0140983,0.0057477

[Damião de Góis]

Basque + some morisco /sephardic jew/North african = portuguese.


That's a very simple model. Let's see how it works:


Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Sephardic_Jew,0.0907738,0.145094,-0.0233814,-0.0609662,0.0057318,-0.0219276,-0.0054344,-0.002596,0.0116579,0.0199775,0.004202,0.0001688,5. 56e-05,-0.0005678,-0.00436,-0.0065301,-0.0081814,-0.000475,-0.0013355,-0.0065658,-0.0048508,-0.0059044,0.001217,0.0025606,0.0024399
Moroccan_North,-0.0299735,0.1373221,-0.0030378,-0.0673993,0.0280564,-0.0319174,-0.0244542,0.0050512,0.0609822,0.0327317,0.0059091,-0.0065526,0.0185908,-0.0147102,0.0151403,-0.0105629,0.0012604,-0.0179828,-0.040747,0.0092961,-0.0121937,-0.0346297,0.0214382,-0.0055763,0.0043974


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 1.7587% / 0.01758655
69.4 Basque_Spanish
21.8 Sephardic_Jew
8.8 Moroccan_North

Now let me add a random, unrelated, northern european population just because:


Dutch,0.1274407,0.1341783,0.0602712,0.0440759,0.04 08435,0.0163974,0.0054023,0.0072633,0.0042087,0.00 19245,-0.0056347,0.0044274,-0.0098456,-0.0086761,0.01783,0.0056231,-0.0065161,0.0017477,0.0039087,0.0028161,0.00448,0. 0033848,-5.1e-06,0.0138921,-0.0006557

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.6938% / 0.00693821
48.8 Basque_Spanish
21.6 Dutch
18.6 Sephardic_Jew
11.0 Moroccan_North

The fit improved by a lot, so clearly something is missing in your model. How about trying to check things before making these claims? Is it asking a lot?

[Tongio]

That's a very simple model. Let's see how it works:


Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Sephardic_Jew,0.0907738,0.145094,-0.0233814,-0.0609662,0.0057318,-0.0219276,-0.0054344,-0.002596,0.0116579,0.0199775,0.004202,0.0001688,5. 56e-05,-0.0005678,-0.00436,-0.0065301,-0.0081814,-0.000475,-0.0013355,-0.0065658,-0.0048508,-0.0059044,0.001217,0.0025606,0.0024399
Moroccan_North,-0.0299735,0.1373221,-0.0030378,-0.0673993,0.0280564,-0.0319174,-0.0244542,0.0050512,0.0609822,0.0327317,0.0059091,-0.0065526,0.0185908,-0.0147102,0.0151403,-0.0105629,0.0012604,-0.0179828,-0.040747,0.0092961,-0.0121937,-0.0346297,0.0214382,-0.0055763,0.0043974


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 1.7587% / 0.01758655
69.4 Basque_Spanish
21.8 Sephardic_Jew
8.8 Moroccan_North

Now let me add a random, unrelated, northern european population just because:


Dutch,0.1274407,0.1341783,0.0602712,0.0440759,0.04 08435,0.0163974,0.0054023,0.0072633,0.0042087,0.00 19245,-0.0056347,0.0044274,-0.0098456,-0.0086761,0.01783,0.0056231,-0.0065161,0.0017477,0.0039087,0.0028161,0.00448,0. 0033848,-5.1e-06,0.0138921,-0.0006557

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.6938% / 0.00693821
48.8 Basque_Spanish
21.6 Dutch
18.6 Sephardic_Jew
11.0 Moroccan_North

The fit improved by a lot, so clearly something is missing in your model. How about trying to check things before making these claims? Is it asking a lot?

Well I aimed to give my take on why Jingle Bell's portuguese ancestry is being divided beetwen basque and mena, i did not claim it as the correct or accurate model.His references might bê missing a more corded/germanic sample as you said.Still the results in your calculator look wrong tho, the mena is still exagerated and i dare to say the germanic too.

[Jingle Bell]

He only spoke Basque + MENA only because I was just being modeled as Basque + MENA without any Germanic, he just said that the bascos (which are the closest to the Iberian Natives) + MENA Invaders since from Rome times created a mixture similar to Portuguese in my case, the germanic DNA is not really germanic it is a steppe DNA but it was modeled as such, if you go back a little on the Thread you will see that I said: "Oh its true, a Portuguese can be modeled like 70% basque + 20% MEna + 10% Steppe in g25, and i have extra MENA so makes sense" Dutch are ~1/2 Yamnya basically if a Portuguese is 20% Dutch he ill score more ~10% Steppe just like I said, serfadits are among 40 - 50% Europeans, so the Portuguese is modelated how have only ~10 Mena (Coming from the Serfadi sample) + the other 11% Moroccan = 21, just like I said, and the Basque dna would be like the whole Basque sample (50%) + 1 /2 Dutch (who are 1/2 steppe + 1/2 ENF and WHG like the Basques) + 1/2 of Serfadi, which gives ~71% of "Basque" DNA as I had said
I hope it was clear.:thumb001:

[Damião de Góis]

Well I aimed to give my take on why Jingle Bell's portuguese ancestry is being divided beetwen basque and mena, i did not claim it as the correct or accurate model.His references might bê missing a more corded/germanic sample as you said.Still the results in your calculator look wrong tho, the mena is still exagerated and i dare to say the germanic too.

My calculator wasn't supposed to be correct. It was to show how wrong your model was.

[Tongio]

He only spoke Basque + MENA only because I was just being modeled as Basque + MENA without any Germanic, he just said that the bascos (which are the closest to the Iberian Natives) + MENA Invaders since from Rome times created a mixture similar to Portuguese in my case, the germanic DNA is not really germanic it is a steppe DNA but it was modeled as such, if you go back a little on the Thread you will see that I said: "Oh its true, a Portuguese can be modeled like 70% basque + 20% MEna + 10% Steppe in g25, and i have extra MENA so makes sense" Dutch are ~1/2 Yamnya basically if a Portuguese is 20% Dutch he ill score more ~10% Steppe just like I said, serfadits are among 40 - 50% Europeans, so the Portuguese is modelated how have only ~10 Mena (Coming from the Serfadi sample) + the other 11% Moroccan = 21, just like I said, and the Basque dna would be like the whole Basque sample (50%) + 1 /2 Dutch (who are 1/2 steppe + 1/2 ENF and WHG like the Basques) + 1/2 of Serfadi, which gives ~71% of "Basque" DNA as I had said
I hope it was clear.:thumb001:

Yeah exactly i thought It was a problem with my explanation but since you understood exactly what i meant ... It was not.
Damião is just trying to find opurtunities to pick a fight , i think its love.

[Damião de Góis]

Damião is just trying to find opurtunities to pick a fight , i think its love.

Picking a fight? I'm replying to your posts about portuguese people, replying not posting.

If you post about amazonian monkeys i won't reply.

[Jingle Bell]

And I thought this time I could get a Thread without a fight if I was polite to everyone. . .I saw that I was wrong