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Jana
10-19-2022, 03:53 PM
ethnicity unknown

https://i.imgur.com/KsV93Mp.jpg

Hektor12
10-19-2022, 04:23 PM
Black sea

Tooting Carmen
10-19-2022, 04:45 PM
German look

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 04:49 PM
med

rothaer
10-19-2022, 04:54 PM
German look

Actually not, except you consider a pure Lithuanian from East Prussia.

Besides this I consider him pure Russian or Ukrainian.

rothaer
10-19-2022, 04:55 PM
med

Your estimate is really, really way off.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:01 PM
Your estimate is really, really way off.
In what sense? I'm not guessing his ethnicity, that's obviously probably one of the countries that were in the Soviet union.

I have only seen this look in some middle-easterners and meds, but dunno what ME ethnicity.

rothaer
10-19-2022, 05:04 PM
In what sense? I'm not guessing his ethnicity, that's obviously probably one of the countries that were in the Soviet union.

I have only seen this look in some middle-easterners and meds, but dunno what ME ethnicity.

I mean that this guy is incompatible with any Mediterranean. And I don't state this just because I heard "Soviet".

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:05 PM
Jew?

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:13 PM
In what sense? I'm not guessing his ethnicity, that's obviously probably one of the countries that were in the Soviet union.

I have only seen this look in some middle-easterners and meds, but dunno what ME ethnicity.

your classification skills suckz.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:16 PM
your classification skills suckz.
So tell me, how is he not med, or at least mediterranoid?

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:19 PM
So tell me, how is he not med, or at least mediterranoid?

His facial structure isn't med let alone ME except thick black hair.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:19 PM
I mean that this guy is incompatible with any Mediterranean. And I don't stTe this just because I heard "Soviet".
How is he not compatible with north-atlantid/north-pontid and atlanto-med?
This look is atypical for eastern Europe, and def. not Slavic. It's a generic male model look.

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:19 PM
Actually not, except you consider a pure Lithuanian from East Prussia.

Besides this I consider him pure Russian or Ukrainian.

his name is apparently Barinov Nikolai Dmitrievich. that sounds pretty Russian/Slavic to me
but who knows

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:20 PM
His facial structure isn't med let alone ME except thick black hair.

I didn't say that it was ME, I said that I have noticed a few MEs having this look, but I'm not sure what their ethnicity is, and they are muslims from ME, not from Europe.

Immanenz
10-19-2022, 05:20 PM
I mean that this guy is incompatible with any Mediterranean. And I don't stTe this just because I heard "Soviet".


well, it does seem to affect you- dark hair, long, narrow faced, straigth+ long nosed, and judging only by head breath from the front he should be doli-meso - if there isnt sm like very wrong that happened to him. Now he is obviously Nordic-Mediterranenan, so he isnt not just a Med. But than some anthropologists claimed Ireland and Wales were full of these types of Meds.

Jingle Bell
10-19-2022, 05:21 PM
Hm. . . i guess Nordic - CM, i dont see baltic in him, not a typical russian but do not have a so uncommon look

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:22 PM
I didn't say that it was ME, I said that I have noticed a few MEs having this look, but I'm not sure what their ethnicity is, and they are muslims from ME, not from Europe.

they wish

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:22 PM
his name is apparently Barinov Nikolai Dmitrievich. that sounds pretty Russian/Slavic to me
but who knows
The genotype is inherited differently and the paternal side will not always express itself as the phenotype. He could possibly have Slavic blood, and Slavic surname, I'm just saying his looks are not typically eastern.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:23 PM
well, it does seem to effect you- dark hair, long, narrow faced, straigth+ long nosed, and judging only by head breath from the front he should be doli-meso - if there isnt sm like very wrong that happened to him. Now he is obviously Nordic-Mediterranenan, so he isnt not just a Med. But than some anthropologists claimed Ireland and Wales were full of these types of Meds.
Yupp, was thinking something similar. Although black&white pictures can sometimes make things more difficult.

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:24 PM
The genotype is inherited differently and the paternal side will not always express itself as the phenotype. He could possibly have Slavic blood, and Slavic surname, I'm just saying his looks are not typically eastern.

there are actually lot of Russians who don't look like the caricature ballon head some dumb westerners imagine
this guy has Pan Northern Euro look to me with touch of Med

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:25 PM
colored version using AI software

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU5PNrHXsAIa6iz?format=jpg&name=large

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:26 PM
His facial structure isn't med let alone ME except thick black hair.
His type of facial structure is very common throughout Europe.

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:27 PM
His type of facial structure is very common throughout Europe.

exactly, nothing middle eastern about it.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:27 PM
they wish
No, I saw it with my own eyes. He had like dark hair and green eyes with light skin. He didn't look like a Swede but you wouldn't think he was ME.

Tooting Carmen
10-19-2022, 05:27 PM
He reminds me of English model Oliver Cheshire:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Oliver_Cheshire_.jpg/800px-Oliver_Cheshire_.jpg

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:28 PM
exactly, nothing middle eastern about it.
I meant that both nordids and meds can have it. There is a significant amount of meds in the ME.

Tooting Carmen
10-19-2022, 05:29 PM
Also, how about Sam Heughan and Cillian Murphy?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Outlander_premiere_episode_screening_at_92nd_Stree t_Y_in_New_York_08_%28crop%29.jpg/800px-Outlander_premiere_episode_screening_at_92nd_Stree t_Y_in_New_York_08_%28crop%29.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Cillianmurphy.jpg

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:29 PM
there are actually lot of Russians who don't look like the caricature ballon head some dumb westerners imagine
this guy has Pan Northern Euro look to me with touch of Med
No, more pan-western.

Russians look Proto-slavic, Baltid and other Slavic-influenced phenotypes. Even chechens have Slavic looks among them.

rothaer
10-19-2022, 05:32 PM
well, it does seem to affect you- dark hair, long, narrow faced, straigth+ long nosed, and judging only by head breath from the front he should be doli-meso - if there isnt sm like very wrong that happened to him. Now he is obviously Nordic-Mediterranenan, so he isnt not just a Med. But than some anthropologists claimed Ireland and Wales were full of these types of Meds.

Affect me?

I simply very much disagree with a "med" assessment. Imo he looks typical for Lithuania and Russia/Ukranine proper.

rothaer
10-19-2022, 05:35 PM
How is he not compatible with north-atlantid/north-pontid and atlanto-med?
This look is atypical for eastern Europe, and def. not Slavic. It's a generic male model look.

I totally disagree.

He looks close to specific Lithuanian/Russian. Which in turn excludes being anything like a typical "atlanto-med" from Western Europe.

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:36 PM
Also, how about Sam Heughan and Cillian Murphy?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Outlander_premiere_episode_screening_at_92nd_Stree t_Y_in_New_York_08_%28crop%29.jpg/800px-Outlander_premiere_episode_screening_at_92nd_Stree t_Y_in_New_York_08_%28crop%29.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Cillianmurphy.jpg

Cillian Murphy is my weakness. I love such types.

Sylvanas
10-19-2022, 05:37 PM
there are actually lot of Russians who don't look like the caricature ballon head some dumb westerners imagine
this guy has Pan Northern Euro look to me with touch of Med

Agree 100%

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:39 PM
I totally disagree.

He looks close to specific Lithuanian/Russian. Which in turn excludes being anything like a typical "atlanto-med" from Western Europe.
I don't know what your picture of typical Russian is, but I think we have very different pictures.

Atlanto-meds can be found even in eastern Europe, but they are obviously rare, just like his looks are atypical for Slavs.

Jana
10-19-2022, 05:39 PM
No, more pan-western.

Russians look Proto-slavic, Baltid and other Slavic-influenced phenotypes. Even chechens have Slavic looks among them.

he doesn't look really western but he can pass. you are just unfamiliar with non Baltid EE types.

rothaer
10-19-2022, 05:41 PM
Jew?

No. Nothing that I'd connect with that.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:43 PM
he doesn't look really western but he can pass. you are just unfamiliar with non Baltid EE types.
He looks western in the sense that meds look western. Obviously their origin is not the same as north-western types, since meds originated from northern Africa and ME.

He is clearly not 100% med, but clearly med is a strong component in him.

rothaer
10-19-2022, 05:43 PM
I don't know what your picture of typical Russian is, but I think we have very different pictures.

Atlanto-meds can be found even in eastern Europe, but they are obviously rare, just like his looks are atypical for Slavs.

Atypical for Slavs or not, this guy can imo essentially only be imagined in Eastern Europe.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:44 PM
he doesn't look really western but he can pass. you are just unfamiliar with non Baltid EE types.

I am very much familiar with non-baltid EE types. I'm quite unfamiliar with baltid types TBH

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 05:44 PM
Atypical for Slavs or not, this guy can imo essentially only be imagined in Eastern Europe.

Do you have other examples of EE with this look?

Creoda
10-19-2022, 05:50 PM
Passes best in an 80s western New Wave band.

Immanenz
10-19-2022, 06:02 PM
Affect me?

I simply very much disagree with a "med" assessment. Imo he looks typical for Lithuania and Russia/Ukranine proper.

This is a classification forum not geography class . And classifcation is overrated when it comes to where somebody passes, but Nordic-Med mixes (North Atlantid/ north Pontid) are found even in Finland, but much more in Lithuania, and Russia. So this argument does not count.


Also, how about Sam Heughan and Cillian Murphy?


He reminds me of English model Oliver Cheshire:


He is much more closer to guys like Jonathan Rhys Meyers. But enough creeping on an old Soviet poster- it makes it really likely that he isnt ethnically fully Russian (joke).

rothaer
10-19-2022, 06:27 PM
Do you have other examples of EE with this look?

Yes, just consider the young Leonid Breshnev f. i.:

https://i.imgur.com/UoPSnkf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WMmGAgs.jpg

Atlantic Reptilian
10-19-2022, 06:51 PM
Yes, just consider the young Leonid Breshnev f. i.:

https://i.imgur.com/UoPSnkf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WMmGAgs.jpg

Hmm, interesting. I would personally say that they only look similar in pigmentation.

Flashball
10-19-2022, 07:14 PM
Doesn't look mediterranean in the north african and levantine sens / non european face.

Freeroostah
10-19-2022, 07:24 PM
North Pontid imo

Batman_
10-19-2022, 07:26 PM
Looks gay.

HectorOfTroy
10-19-2022, 08:10 PM
No, I saw it with my own eyes. He had like dark hair and green eyes with light skin. He didn't look like a Swede but you wouldn't think he was ME.

Must've been someone with heavy IE/Indo-Aryan or ANE influence. Not typical for ME except in pockets.

HectorOfTroy
10-19-2022, 08:21 PM
He looks Nordo-med with something about the eyes looks slavic or something exotic-eastern to me. I'd assume he's of Eastern European + Turkic descent with some nordic thrown in on first glance without knowing any background information.

Azerbaijani/Turk with nordic Slav admixture.

Norb
10-19-2022, 08:36 PM
https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article27302470.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/6_JS257756440.jpg
Tommy Fury is similar. NOT 100% EUROPEAN, so Aryan/Corded/MED mix = Hallstatt

Jana
10-19-2022, 08:38 PM
He looks Nordo-med with something about the eyes looks slavic or something exotic-eastern to me. I'd assume he's of Eastern European + Turkic descent with some nordic thrown in on first glance without knowing any background information.

Azerbaijani/Turk with nordic Slav admixture.

I tought he could be Russian-Volga Tatar mix for example.

Tooting Carmen
10-19-2022, 08:59 PM
https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article27302470.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/6_JS257756440.jpg
Tommy Fury is similar. NOT 100% EUROPEAN, so Aryan/Corded/MED mix = Hallstatt

Rhys Webb looks like a depigmented version of him. xD
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article19817701.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_JS223210756.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Rhys_Webb._Wales_Grand_Slam_Celebration%2C_Senedd_ 19_March_2012.jpg

rothaer
10-19-2022, 09:21 PM
Here young Brezhnev (better embedded):

https://i.imgur.com/RBAbcwx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/suYp7RF.jpg

Immanenz
10-19-2022, 09:31 PM
Here young Brezhnev (better embedded):



He looked like a mix between a Georgian and a Balt- in old age he became more chinky. Neo Danubian (Med/Nordic/Ladogan mix) is a common phentoype in Russia, so this aint surprising. i do not see any Ladogan/ East Baltic admix in the Soldier though we are talking about one pic and it would be hard to see that from here in this two photos Brezhnev as well.

Atlantic Reptilian
10-20-2022, 06:02 AM
Must've been someone with heavy IE/Indo-Aryan or ANE influence. Not typical for ME except in pockets.

Probably. Looked like one of those Indo nordics that I have seen examples of. But his family members weren't tall, more like medium height.