Simulated G25 coordinates from various calculators - automatic script

[Lucas]

On Allelocator is added new script (author: Komintasavalta/ Nganasankhan) which allows creation G25 simulated coords from most Gedmatch / Admixture Studio calculators. It was posted on other forum before but on page which was impossible to find in Google.

https://allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html

You can use results from any calc from the list below:

Eurogenes K13
Eurogenes K15
Eurogenes K36
LM Genetics K47
MDLP K27
MDLP World 22
Michal World K25
Puntdnal K12
Harappa World
Dodecad K12B
Dodecad K7B
Dodecad World9
Dodecad globe13
Dodecad globe10
Dodecad Eurasia7
Tolan K7M1
Tolan K13M2
Tolan K14M1
Tolan K18M4
Tolan K25R1


Still first version based on K36 (author: vbknethio) is on-line too https://allelocator.ovh/K36horizontal.html

[Lucas]

Also there is improved version of 2-way Oracle model (autor: ngansankhan) on Allelocator. Previous version of vbknethio was much slower and he advised me to change.
It could work with any calculator oracle, not only G25.

https://allelocator.ovh/Oracle2way.html

[Jana]

this is amazing!!!!! Thanks!!!

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I have tried all the simulations and it seems that K36 from Genoplot/K36vertical comes closest to my actual coordinates.


Distance to: Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.01471649 allelocator.ovh/K36vertical.html Eurogenes_K36
0.01471649 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K36
0.01700324 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K13
0.01708993 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K36
0.02049918 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K15
0.02096966 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K15
0.02098962 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K13
0.02190278 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html HarappaWorld
0.02256583 genoplot.com HarappaWorld
0.02659453 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html MDLP_World-22
0.03217713 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_K12b
0.03959647 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_World9
0.04191658 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_K7b
0.37833848 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html puntDNAL_K12

[Lucas]

I have tried all the simulations and it seems that K36 from Genoplot/K36vertical comes closest to my actual coordinates.


Distance to: Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.01471649 allelocator.ovh/K36vertical.html Eurogenes_K36
0.01471649 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K36
0.01700324 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K13
0.01708993 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K36
0.02049918 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K15
0.02096966 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K15
0.02098962 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K13
0.02190278 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html HarappaWorld
0.02256583 genoplot.com HarappaWorld
0.02659453 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html MDLP_World-22
0.03217713 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_K12b
0.03959647 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_World9
0.04191658 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_K7b
0.37833848 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html puntDNAL_K12

It seems the more components, the better fit.

[Lucas]

But hey!

My simulated coords from K47 have much closer fit then original coords.

K47 simulated
Distance to: lukas
0.01611584 Russian_Smolensk
0.01684338 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.01739527 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.01751280 Belarusian
0.01823524 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.01886934 Polish
0.01991397 Russian_Voronez
0.02023936 Lithuanian_PA
0.02101961 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02113250 Lithuanian_VA


Original G25
Distance to: Lukasz_scaled
0.02332834 Russian_Smolensk
0.02503998 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02587988 Belarusian
0.02757543 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02835025 Russian_Voronez
0.02873264 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03021157 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03025788 Polish
0.03175334 Russian_Belgorod
0.03186200 Russian_Kaluga

[Ajeje Brazorf]

It seems the more components, the better fit.

Would you be able to modify the site so that more than 1 coordinate can be simulated at a time?

https://allelocator.ovh/K36horizontal.html

[Lucas]

Would you be able to modify the site so that more than 1 coordinate can be simulated at a time?

https://allelocator.ovh/K36horizontal.html

I had feeling it works like that but maybe not, ok I will.

[rothaer]

But hey!

My simulated coords from K47 (...)

Did you use all 47 values for the simulation or a smaller number?

[Lucas]

Did you use all 47 values for the simulation or a smaller number?

Ofc all, sims are with 25 coords always after.

[Nurzat]

site is down - any other tool to convert K13 to G25? (trying to get simulated G25 for Moldovan Csango K13)

Csango_K13,27.60,29.46,15.34,8.91,11.04,1.51,0.87, 1.07,2.64,0.81,0.47,0.15,0.15

[sage]

Maybe I got one wait a minute

[sage]

Nevermind it's doesn't work apparently. Shit

[Nurzat]

Nevermind it's doesn't work apparently. Shit

my mom has a strong Csango signal in K13, wanted to check vs G25:

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 383.8786% / 3.83878649
73.0 Romania_Moldova_Ukrainian
14.0 Ashkenazi
13.0 Tatar

Target: Nurzat_mom_phased
Distance: 1036.6349% / 10.36634909
94.6 Romania_Moldova_Vaslui
3.0 Tatar
2.4 Chamar


then when I add Csango:

Target: Nurzat_mom_phased
Distance: 888.2946% / 8.88294576
97.6 Romania_Moldova_Csango
2.4 Chamar
0.0 Ashkenazi
0.0 Romania_Moldova_Ukrainian
0.0 Romania_Moldova_Vaslui
0.0 Tatar


edit. I ran her again in Gedmatch and now the result is a bit different, which gives a 50-50 share for Csango and Moldovan_Vaslui and no Chamar. dunno why results get a bit different when re-running her kit on K13 in Gedmatch

coords:
Nurzat_mom_phased,26.26,27.04,20.73,13.96,7.8,0,2. 27,0.51,0.33,0.32,0.06,0,0.7
Nurzat_mom_phased_rerun,25.78,29.67,18.22,11.99,11 .78,0,1.35,0,1.22,0,0,0,0

[sage]

my mom has a strong Csango signal in K13, wanted to check vs G25:

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 383.8786% / 3.83878649
73.0 Romania_Moldova_Ukrainian
14.0 Ashkenazi
13.0 Tatar

Target: Nurzat_mom_phased
Distance: 1036.6349% / 10.36634909
94.6 Romania_Moldova_Vaslui
3.0 Tatar
2.4 Chamar


then when I add Csango:

Target: Nurzat_mom_phased
Distance: 888.2946% / 8.88294576
97.6 Romania_Moldova_Csango
2.4 Chamar
0.0 Ashkenazi
0.0 Romania_Moldova_Ukrainian
0.0 Romania_Moldova_Vaslui
0.0 Tatar

It's actually pretty normal for Moldovans to plot with csangos. I remember ion ( dorkymon) plotting with csangos

[Genetic_Median]

Hi thanks for showing this there seems to be an issue with Puntdnal K12 to G25 converter on Allelocator, I think I need to input the results in a different order to how Gedmatch shows it, do you know the correct order? My results come like this:

Sub-Saharan
Amerindian
South Asian
Near East
Siberian
European HG
Caucasus HG
South African HG
Anatolian NF
East Asian
Oceanian
Beringian

This order on Allelocator doesn't really work it gives a strange farmer breakdown, so I need to input in a different order.

Thanks 😊

[Genetic_Median]

I have tried all the simulations and it seems that K36 from Genoplot/K36vertical comes closest to my actual coordinates.


Distance to: Ajeje_Brazorf_scaled
0.01471649 allelocator.ovh/K36vertical.html Eurogenes_K36
0.01471649 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K36
0.01700324 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K13
0.01708993 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K36
0.02049918 genoplot.com Eurogenes_K15
0.02096966 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K15
0.02098962 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Eurogenes_K13
0.02190278 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html HarappaWorld
0.02256583 genoplot.com HarappaWorld
0.02659453 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html MDLP_World-22
0.03217713 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_K12b
0.03959647 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_World9
0.04191658 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html Dodecad_K7b
0.37833848 allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html puntDNAL_K12
Hi thanks for showing this there seems to be an issue with Puntdnal K12 to G25 converter on Allelocator, I think I need to input the results in a different order to how Gedmatch shows it, do you know the correct order? My results come like this:

Sub-Saharan
Amerindian
South Asian
Near East
Siberian
European HG
Caucasus HG
South African HG
Anatolian NF
East Asian
Oceanian
Beringian

This order on Allelocator doesn't really work it gives a strange farmer breakdown, so I need to input in a different order.

Thanks 😊