Is America the dumbest continent? why is so leftist if not?

[Cristiano viejo]

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[zebruh]

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[Cristiano viejo]

You could at least have a key legend to indicate what the colors mean

Thanks, you just proved the title of the thread :picard1:

[JamesBond007]

North America does not have any real leftist political parties unlike Europe and America is an oligarchy. Also, Parts of Europe also have a proportional representation system meaning minority left etc... parties can still get into government.


More intelligent people are statistically significantly more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to the human species in evolutionary history. Specifically, liberalism and atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity correlate with higher intelligence, a new study finds.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

[zebruh]

Thanks, you just proved the title of the thread :picard1:So I dont get it. Are you saying the American Continent is dumb for being right wing ? Because it says 2022 they shifted to the right.

[sean]

Leftist tyranny is on its last days.

https://i.imgur.com/2rEzhfv.jpg
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Meanwhile in Spain:

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[B01AB20]

Leftist tyranny is on its last days.

Meanwhile in Spain:

https://imgur.com/8JbU2k0.gif

That's from August 2017. And you know who was in goverment in Spain at that date?. No I guess.
Let me enlighten you, :cool: , it was PP party, a very conservative and right-wing party.

The rethoric anti illegal immigration in right wing parties is louder than it is in leftists, that's right. But the facts and numbers of illegal immigrants when right-wing parties are in charge are more or less the same.

And more... Thanks to the leftist Pedro Sanchez who valued more the containment of illegal immigration than the cause of independence of western Sahara and achieved a agreement with Morocco, today Spain receives the smaller part of illegals who arrive through the Mediterranean.

Italy, Greece and Croacia supports much more traffic of illegals.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

The U.S.A. and Canada are not governed by left-wing politics\parties by any stretch of imagination. In Europe the Democrats would be a liberal centre-right party at most, which for some Americans it might seem "left-wing" because they are completely unaware of the reality outside of their bubble and live in a system that has always been bipartisan. Some people have a hard time realizing that yes, liberal parties can advocate socially "woke" measures without being necessarily left-wing parties.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The U.S.A. and Canada are not governed by left-wing politics\parties by any stretch of imagination. In Europe the Democrats would be a liberal centre-right party at most, which for some Americans it might seem "left-wing" because they are completely unaware of the reality outside of their bubble and live in a system that has always been bipartisan. Some people have a hard time realizing that yes, liberal parties can advocate socially "woke" measures without being necessarily left-wing parties.

We're well aware Western Europe is imploding. Canada and Latin America are lost causes. We in the US want the opposite of failing.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

We're well aware Western Europe is imploding. Canada and Latin America are lost causes. We in the US want the opposite of failing.

You cannot implode something that already imploded last century, when Europe lost its empires and the role of world leader was revoked to the US. This is another typical analysis of those who live in a bubble and can not realize that the USA is more likely to be on the verge of losing its hegemony in the foreseeable future and facing an unprecedented crisis. And I don't say this with any mockery or gloating, I see the US as an ally but it's reality, the fall is always worse when you lose number one on the podium than when you go from tenth place to fifteenth.

[Eliades]

Western Europe, Australia, and Canada are all way more left wing than the US. Unless, you're maybe referring to the American west coast.

[Tooting Carmen]

The U.S.A. and Canada are not governed by left-wing politics\parties by any stretch of imagination. In Europe the Democrats would be a liberal centre-right party at most, which for some Americans it might seem "left-wing" because they are completely unaware of the reality outside of their bubble and live in a system that has always been bipartisan. Some people have a hard time realizing that yes, liberal parties can advocate socially "woke" measures without being necessarily left-wing parties.

Bingo.

[Tooting Carmen]

We're well aware Western Europe is imploding. Canada and Latin America are lost causes. We in the US want the opposite of failing.

When it comes to poverty, crime and, yes, immigration (both legal and illegal), the US goes well beyond 'imploding' Western Europe. (Not that multiracialism bothers me in the way it does lots of other forum members, but nevertheless even London and Paris are nowadays still a lot whiter than many major US cities).

[Cristiano viejo]

The U.S.A. and Canada are not governed by left-wing politics\parties by any stretch of imagination.

lolololololololol :wohoo:

[Teutone]

lolololololololol :wohoo:

jajajajajajajajaj :jump0000:


:victory0:
bras esta loco

:naughty:

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

You cannot implode something that already imploded last century, when Europe lost its empires and the role of world leader was revoked to the US. This is another typical analysis of those who live in a bubble and can not realize that the USA is more likely to be on the verge of losing its hegemony in the foreseeable future and facing an unprecedented crisis. And I don't say this with any mockery or gloating, I see the US as an ally but it's reality, the fall is always worse when you lose number one on the podium than when you go from tenth place to fifteenth.

Losing your empires wasn't the problem (Portugal, UK, etc. colonies quickly became a financial burden.) You're imploding with your policies that punishes hard work and entrepreneurship. Western Euros are basically adults who want to be children. They want the state to be their parent and when you have adults who want to be children you get a disaster.

[Tooting Carmen]

Also, if the Americas were so leftist (in an economic sense), then why is Latin America the most unequal region on Earth? For that matter, the US is more unequal than most developed countries too.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

When it comes to poverty, crime and, yes, immigration (both legal and illegal), the US goes well beyond 'imploding' Western Europe. (Not that multiracialism bothers me in the way it does lots of other forum members, but nevertheless even London and Paris are nowadays still a lot whiter than many major US cities).

Did you just inadvertingly admit demographic differences is an issue? TC, when did you become such a racist?

Western Euros don't have the economies to be sucking the nipple without serious consequences down the road. It may be better to be poor in Euroland today but that's not a positive. You just create Chav-like people.

We have hope here in that the red wave is coming and Dems will be out in the streets. I don't see much hope for Euros. Their right wing is just as ignorant about economics as the left wing.

[Tooting Carmen]

Did you just inadvertingly admit demographic difference is an issue? TC, when did you become such a racist?

I didn't, I have always been very conscious of ethnic differences. (Note, however, how difference is NOT the same thing as hierarchy). And while demographics has its part to play, there are plenty of poor White Americans as well, especially in the Appalachians and some Southern states. Also, when Cernunnos posted a video about homelessness in California, I was surprised by how many of them were White, especially veterans and elderly people.


Western Euros don't have the economies to be sucking the nipple without serious consequences down the road. It may be better to be poor in Euroland and that's a totally not positive. You just create Chav-like people.

You're saying this as if White trash don't exist in the US. (Quite apart from the high rates of poverty and unemployment among Blacks and Hispanics, of course). Btw, I was researching this the other day, and even when comparing Whites from both countries, a higher percentage of Brits than Americans are in Professional, Managerial and Technical occupations. In other words, per capita the middle-class is bigger in the UK than the US, and your points about the dangers of welfareism are a bit redundant.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Losing your empires wasn't the problem (Portugal, UK, etc. colonies quickly became a financial burden.) You're imploding with your policies that punishes hard work and entrepreneurship. Western Euros are basically adults who want to be children. They want the state to be their parent and when you have adults who want to be children you get a disaster.

Losing the colonies was a disaster. In 1973, Portugal was the "largest" country in Europe, excluding the Soviet Union. In 1974, it became one of the smallest. The only country that anticipated and planed a decolonization process without haste was the United Kingdom with the creation of the Common Wealth. Even without the former empire the UK continues to benefit from that same strategic alliance, even expanding it to countries who weren't a former colony. In the Portuguese case, things were more abrupt and relations with our former colonies are good but unstable.

The welfare state will implode in Europe, it is a matter of time. In Portugal they are already drastically reducing pensions, it is not possible to maintain them with an ageing population. But once again you fail to understand that while the welfare state is slowly dying in Europe, you in the US are trying to slowly implement it. So what you hate in Western Europe is (trying to be) replicated in your country, while here there is a resurgence of populist, conservative and liberal movements. If only the votes of young people counted, in Portugal it would have been the Liberal party to win in the last elections, not the Socialists.

[Tooting Carmen]

Losing the colonies was a disaster. In 1973, Portugal was the "largest" country in Europe, excluding the Soviet Union. In 1974, it became one of the smallest. The only country that anticipated and planed a decolonization process without haste was the United Kingdom with the creation of the Common Wealth. Even without the former empire the UK continues to benefit from that same strategic alliance, even expanding it to countries who weren't a former colony. In the Portuguese case, things were more abrupt and relations with our former colonies are good but unstable.

You're extremely naive if you think there aren't tensions and resentments even between the White members of the Commonwealth, let alone the non-white ones (both towards the White members and each other).


The welfare state will implode in Europe, it is a matter of time. In Portugal they are already drastically reducing pensions, it is not possible to maintain them with an ageing population. But once again you fail to understand that while the welfare state is slowly dying in Europe, you in the US are trying to slowly implement it. So what you hate in Western Europe is (trying to be) replicated in your country, while here there is a resurgence of populist, conservative and liberal movements. If only the votes of young people counted, in Portugal it would have been the Liberal party to win in the last elections, not the Socialists.

While I agree there needs to be reform of the welfare state, that certainly isn't the same thing as saying it has to go altogether. Pensions, benefits for the sick and (hopefully temporarily) unemployed, free education and free healthcare are part of the modern, civilised package. (This is why even the Tories can only privatise parts of the NHS in a slow and piecemeal fashion - they know it would cause uproar and possibly even riots if they did away with it altogether). A further package of government welfare to precisely ease if not avoid the ageing population you are rightly concerned about would be to offer pro-natalist policies - whether in the form of free nursery care as in France, or generous maternity AND paternity leave as in Sweden (along with immigration, these policies explain why the birth rates in those two countries are not as low as in most other developed countries).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You're extremely naive if you think there aren't tensions and resentments even between the White members of the Commonwealth, let alone the non-white ones (both towards the White members and each other).



While I agree there needs to be reform of the welfare state, that certainly isn't the same thing as saying it has to go altogether. Pensions, benefits for the sick and (hopefully temporarily) unemployed, free education and free healthcare are part of the modern, civilised package. (This is why even the Tories can only privatise parts of the NHS in a slow and piecemeal fashion - they know it would cause uproar and possibly even riots if they did away with it altogether). A further package of government welfare to precisely ease if not avoid the ageing population you are rightly concerned about would be to offer pro-natalist policies - whether in the form of free nursery care as in France, or generous maternity AND paternity leave as in Sweden (along with immigration, these policies explain why the birth rates in those two countries are not as low as in most other developed countries).

When it comes to customs agreements and economic partners, what people resent or not matters little at the end of the day.

In Europe people have grown accustomed to the welfare state and any kind of cuts are unpopular among some groups. Meanwhile in the US they are too used to their Laissez-Faire system, and any implementation of welfare is seen as the advent of Communism.

Personally I think the welfare state should end all together, progressively and in stages. At least in the Portuguese case there is an extreme need to reinvent the economy to make it more competitive, it is extremely dependent on the state.

[Tooting Carmen]

When it comes to customs agreements and economic partners, what people resent or not matters little at the end of the day.

It does actually matter a lot. Remember how, for example, South Africa was isolated from the Commonwealth due to Apartheid; more recently, Zimbabwe was isolated due to Mugabe's anti-British/anti-White rhetoric and bungled land reform programme. And even among existing members, there are severe tensions - look at how there is precious little trade and travel between Pakistan and either India or Bangladesh, because of past and present religious and territorial disputes and grievances.


In Europe people have grown accustomed to the welfare state and any kind of cuts are unpopular among some groups. Meanwhile in the US they are too used to their Laissez-Faire system, and any implementation of welfare is seen as the advent of Communism.

An oversimplification, but I know what you mean.


Personally I think the welfare state should end all together, progressively and in stages. At least in the Portuguese case there is an extreme need to reinvent the economy to make it more competitive, it is extremely dependent on the state.

Does this mean you support the privatisation of schools and hospitals, or are you only referring to pensions and benefits? Either way, from what I have read, it was 'right-wing' Salazar who made education and literacy widespread for the first time in Portugal, and he implemented an albeit small-scale system of benefits and pensions. Furthermore, it is the dominance of unaccountable global corporations that is the real threat to both the sovereignty and prosperity of different countries, especially with such absurd proposals like the TTIP.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It does actually matter a lot. Remember how, for example, South Africa was isolated from the Commonwealth due to Apartheid; more recently, Zimbabwe was isolated due to Mugabe's anti-British/anti-White rhetoric and bungled land reform programme. And even among existing members, there are severe tensions - look at how there is precious little trade and travel between Pakistan and either India or Bangladesh, because of past and present religious and territorial disputes and grievances.



An oversimplification, but I know what you mean.



Does this mean you support the privatisation of schools and hospitals, or are you only referring to pensions and benefits? Either way, from what I have read, it was 'right-wing' Salazar who made education and literacy widespread for the first time in Portugal, and he implemented an albeit small-scale system of benefits and pensions. Furthermore, it is the dominance of unaccountable global corporations that is the real threat to both the sovereignty and prosperity of different countries, especially with such absurd proposals like the TTIP.

I was always talking about the benefits from the ex-colonizer's point of view. The decolonization process was done in such a way that the United Kingdom maintained privileged relations with the former colonies. Strained relations between Pakistan and India or other "black sheep" are not enough to tip the benefits of the balance.

I think the future lies in more private hospitals and schools and an adoption of insurance. I personally have three insurances at the moment and many companies already offer insurance to their employees as well. Pensions and benefits too but as I said it would have to be progressive. You can't take away pensions from current pensioners who have paid a lifetime's contribution. Our generation and younger generations should be told straight away that there will be no benefits or pensions when we reach that age. The trade-off would be a sharp fall in our taxes so we could save more. No politician will say it because it is unpopular but it is the truth. Anyone who is not saving or investing for the future and expects to live off their pension in 50 years time is being naive in my opinion. The chances of the welfare system collapsing by then are extremely high.

[Tooting Carmen]

I was always talking about the benefits from the ex-colonizer's point of view. The decolonization process was done in such a way that the United Kingdom maintained privileged relations with the former colonies. Strained relations between Pakistan and India or other "black sheep" are not enough to tip the benefits of the balance.

Well I think you'll find that many Commonwealth countries - notably Australia and NZ - have rather more trade with China than with Britain nowadays, and it'll be towards the modern Middle Kingdom that they and the rest of the world will increasingly look towards.


I think the future lies in more private hospitals and schools and an adoption of insurance. I personally have three insurances at the moment and many companies already offer insurance to their employees as well. Pensions and benefits too but as I said it would have to be progressive. You can't take away pensions from current pensioners who have paid a lifetime's contribution. Our generation and younger generations should be told straight away that there will be no benefits or pensions when we reach that age. The trade-off would be a sharp fall in our taxes so we could save more. No politician will say it because it is unpopular but it is the truth. Anyone who is not saving or investing for the future and expects to live off their pension in 50 years time is being naive in my opinion. The chances of the welfare system collapsing by then are extremely high.

This sounds too much like a US extreme right-wing libertarian fantasy to me.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Well I think you'll find that many Commonwealth countries - notably Australia and NZ - have rather more trade with China than with Britain nowadays, and it'll be towards the modern Middle Kingdom that they and the rest of the world will increasingly look towards.



This sounds too much like a US extreme right-wing libertarian fantasy to me.

Almost every country in the world today has China as one of their major trading partners, it does not necessarily translate into a failure of the Common Wealth.

It sounds like a fantasy to you perhaps because you probably never realized that I am in favor of a borderline laissez-faire economy. A planned economy will never workout.

[Tooting Carmen]

Almost every country in the world today has China as one of their major trading partners, it does not necessarily translate into a failure of the Common Wealth.

Not so much that it is a failure as it is increasingly an irrelevance, due to massive changes in the global economic order.


It sounds like a fantasy to you perhaps because you probably never realized that I am in favor of a borderline laissez-faire economy. A planned economy will never workout.

(1) There is such a thing as a "Third Way" between the extremes of communism and laissez-faire, whether in its social democratic or fascistic forms. (2) All countries that developed did so through varying degrees of protectionism and state intervention (again, NOT in the Soviet and Maoist sense, but in the sense of a selective mixture of tarrifs, patents, subsidies etc). (3) Furthermore, guaranteeing that everyone can go to school or see the doctor regardless of their socioeconomic circumstances is a major marker of what makes a country civilised. It is places like Kenya and Pakistan that have school and hospital fees as a normal part of everyday life. (4) IMHO the best type of economy would be something like Singapore, which combines both low tax and regulation AND a high degree of State ownership of services and industries. There, the state derives the bulk of its revenue from being the direct owner of transport, utilities, banks and having shares in several other companies, in contrast to Western countries where the State increasingly depends overwhelmingly on taxation.

[gixajo]

Many more variables are needed to specifically situate modern ideological positions than just left and right.

It is all much more complex than painting countries red and blue.

In any case, all this ideological struggles don't make much sense, after all they are nothing more than a resource of those who rule so that the masses fight for them.

In other words, those at the top are only interested in continuing to live off of us and maintain power. They have no real ideological differences between them, but if those who rule make enemies between them (generally because others intend to take away their influence over the masses they control, which would imply taking away part of their power), they will move the masses they control against their enemies using the ideology.

And why would someone want to be on top of the pyramid and have power? Because only those who have power can be truly free.The more power you have, the more freedom you have.

The rest of us are bound to enjoy the spaces of individual freedom that the political regime of the territory in which we have had the good fortune or misfortune to live allows us.

I'm sorry for the political digression, at this time of night I usually get into this type of monologues.:)

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Losing the colonies was a disaster. In 1973, Portugal was the "largest" country in Europe, excluding the Soviet Union. In 1974, it became one of the smallest.

I don't see how size is relevant. Portugal had these colonies from the 17th to much of the 20th century and Portugal wasn't a major player.


The only country that anticipated and planed a decolonization process without haste was the United Kingdom with the creation of the Common Wealth.

This is my point:


In narrowly economic terms, counting the costs of conquest and administration against the profits and taxes extracted from the colonies, together with other economic pluses and minuses, Britain as a whole did not benefit economically from the colonies. Individual investors might make fortunes but the British taxpayers bore the heavy costs of maintaining the empire.

Link (https://books.google.com/books?id=2wM3EAAAQBAJ&pg=PT97&lpg=PT97&dq=In+narrowly+economic+terms,+counting+the+costs+ of+conquest+and+administration+against+the+profits +and+taxes+extracted+from+the+colonies,+together+w ith+other+economic+pluses+and+minuses,+Britain+as+ a+whole+did+not+benefit+economically+from+the+colo nies.+Individual+investors+might+make+fortunes+but +the+British+taxpayers+bore+the+heavy+costs+of+mai ntaining+the+empire.&source=bl&ots=RMgzwCGadr&sig=ACfU3U1vG-jg3oYCvzKC0TUmrn0DTbV_9w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyob23kY77AhW7EVkFHcSoAEoQ6AF6BAgGEAM#v =onepage&q=counting%20the%20costs%20of%20conquest%20and%20a dministration%20against%20the%20profits%20and%20ta xes&f=false)

It's the same story with Portugal and Africa. The whole quote is not in google books.

Losing your colonies was the best thing to happen to you and should have been given up sooner and not only because of the financial cost but to avoid needless deaths of young Portuguese men (and Africans).


Even without the former empire the UK continues to benefit from that same strategic alliance, even expanding it to countries who weren't a former colony. In the Portuguese case, things were more abrupt and relations with our former colonies are good but unstable.

You think Portugal would matter more on the international scene because of a few African colonies despite such colonies not making Portugal relevant centuries prior? The benefit of the Commonwealth is that it's global: from North America to the Pacific. Nor do I understand why Portugal's former colonies would want positive relations with Portugal. It wasn't exactly happy times. The slave trade to Brazil from Angola ruined the area for centuries in the same way overfishing can cause damage (dark humor...). There was more of an incentive for former British colonies to have good relations with the UK even if they're disgusted by poor British oral hygiene.




The welfare state will implode in Europe, it is a matter of time. In Portugal they are already drastically reducing pensions, it is not possible to maintain them with an ageing population. But once again you fail to understand that while the welfare state is slowly dying in Europe, you in the US are trying to slowly implement it.

I'm quite aware.


So what you hate in Western Europe is (trying to be) replicated in your country, while here there is a resurgence of populist, conservative and liberal movements.

What I see generally in Western Europe is a growing nationalist sentiment for obvious reasons (immigration and reacting against the EU). It doesn't mean they don't view the state as a surrogate parent.


If only the votes of young people counted, in Portugal it would have been the Liberal party to win in the last elections, not the Socialists.

Iniciativa Liberal? I can't find much on them but except they believe in universal healthcare (which jacks up medical costs), social security (influences inflation because it's not based on labor), student loans (which jacks up the price of university tuition), etc. Some of the other things are good but... 15% flat tax rate is great but if you'll have universal healthcare and social security it's not going to work.

I guess that's better than nothing...

[Tooting Carmen]

Actually, CFG does have a point. In supposedly 'right-wing' France, whenever a President, be it Macron, Hollande or anyone else tries to increase the pension age by even a couple of years, it leads to mass demonstrations and disruption.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Not so much that it is a failure as it is increasingly an irrelevance, due to massive changes in the global economic order.



(1) There is such a thing as a "Third Way" between the extremes of communism and laissez-faire, whether in its social democratic or fascistic forms. (2) All countries that developed did so through varying degrees of protectionism and state intervention (again, NOT in the Soviet and Maoist sense, but in the sense of a selective mixture of tarrifs, patents, subsidies etc). (3) Furthermore, guaranteeing that everyone can go to school or see the doctor regardless of their socioeconomic circumstances is a major marker of what makes a country civilised. It is places like Kenya and Pakistan that have school and hospital fees as a normal part of everyday life. (4) IMHO the best type of economy would be something like Singapore, which combines both low tax and regulation AND a high degree of State ownership of services and industries. There, the state derives the bulk of its revenue from being the direct owner of transport, utilities, banks and having shares in several other companies, in contrast to Western countries where the State increasingly depends overwhelmingly on taxation.

You pay school and hospital fees too, just like in Kenya and Pakistan, it is deducted every month from your social security contributions regardless if you attend public schools and hospitals or not. Singapore is a micro-state, there's a reason why micro-states like Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Monaco and what not have insanely high earnings per capita which are not applicable or possible to replicate to larger states most of the time due to several specifications. Singapore might be a well-managed dictatorship but they have not the same expenditure on infrastructure, defense and administration as a large countries. Micro-nations can support themselves off of the jobs generated by a handful of multinationals but a handful of multinational wouldn't suffice the workforce of the UK.

[gixajo]

And again the same thing over and over again, the usual paths lead to the usual places...

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I didn't, I have always been very conscious of ethnic differences.

Yes, you're very racially/ethnically minded. One would almost think you have some baggage.



(Note, however, how difference is NOT the same thing as hierarchy). And while demographics has its part to play, there are plenty of poor White Americans as well, especially in the Appalachians and some Southern states.

Most poor Appalachian Whites are unwilling to move to where there are employment opportunities. Their ancestors were miners. Mines have closed. Some move to find work and others go on welfare and what a shocker when we see serious social problems. Work is important for someone's psychological well-being. You see this in Puerto Rico as well where people begin using alcohol and drugs because they have no direction. It's an empty life filled with pleasures that destroy the people and families around them.


Also, when Cernunnos posted a video about homelessness in California, I was surprised by how many of them were White, especially veterans and elderly people.

What do I care about a video? Unfortunately, many families have been hit hard by the COVID-affected economy but most homeless people are still crazy people and drug addicts. Many veterans, also, because of PTSD. Although you get a lot of people pretending to be veterans to get money from you.


You're saying this as if White trash don't exist in the US.

I don't approve of your use of a racial slur. How would you like it if I call you half-a-spic? Please refrain from using racial slurs.


(Quite apart from the high rates of poverty and unemployment among Blacks and Hispanics, of course). Btw, I was researching this the other day, and even when comparing Whites from both countries, a higher percentage of Brits than Americans are in Professional, Managerial and Technical occupations. In other words, per capita the middle-class is bigger in the UK than the US, and your points about the dangers of welfareism are a bit redundant.

You have to understand I think you're incompetent. Make a thread about your 'research.'

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, you're very racially/ethnically minded. One would almost think you have some baggage.

I wouldn't say I have 'baggage'. But I do have very varied ancestry myself, and I grew up in one of Britain's most multiracial cities, so ethnicity has always been an ever-present thought in me.


Most poor Appalachian Whites are unwilling to move to where there are employment opportunities. Their ancestors were miners. Mines have closed. Some move to find work and others go on welfare and what a shocker when we see serious social problems.

(Partly playing Devil's advocate): maybe because they have attachments to family, community and place regardless of economic opportunities? And the other big question is: why do companies avoid investing in the Appalachians in the first instance?


Work is important for someone's psychological well-being. You see this in Puerto Rico as well where people begin using alcohol and drugs because they have no direction. It's an empty life filled with pleasures that destroy the people and families around them.

Agreed.


What do I care about a video? Unfortunately, many families have been hit hard by the COVID-affected economy but most homeless people are still crazy people and drug addicts. Many veterans, also, because of PTSD. Although you get a lot of people pretending to be veterans to get money from you.

You're missing the point: even looking specifically at White Americans, there is still a lot of poverty and social decay. To say that the differences between the US and Europe are mainly due to Blacks and Hispanics is a half-truth at best.


I don't approve of your use of a racial slur. How would you like it if I call you half-a-spic? Please refrain from using racial slurs.

My apologies, but my basic point stands that the White working-class/underclass is as much a feature of life in the US as in Europe, regardless of differences in how generous welfare payments are.


You have to understand that I think you're incompetent. Make a thread about your 'research.'

Voila: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?367299-Employment-and-race-ethnicity-in-the-UK-and-the-US-compare-and-contrast

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

btw, California has a housing problem. There are people who make good money for UPS and are living in tents because they can't afford to be close to their job. This is the fault of leftists who won't allow for building.

California has been ruined by leftists and hence why people are fleeing to Texas, Arizona, etc. NYC is also seeing a major flight of people because of excessive taxation.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I don't see how size is relevant. Portugal had these colonies from the 17th to much of the 20th century and Portugal wasn't a major player.



This is my point:



It's the same story with Portugal and Africa. The whole quote is not in google books.

Losing your colonies was the best thing to happen to you and should have been given up sooner and only because of the financial cost but to avoid needless deaths of young Portuguese men (and Africans).



You think Portugal would matter more on the international scene because of a few African colonies despite such colonies not making Portugal relevant centuries prior? The benefit of the Commonwealth is that it's global: from North America to the Pacific. Nor do I understand why Portugal's former colonies would want positive relations with Portugal. It wasn't exactly happy times. The slave trade to Brazil from Angola ruined the area for centuries in the same way overfishing can cause damage (dark humor...). There was more of an incentive for former British colonies to have good relations with the UK even if they're disgusted by poor British oral hygiene.





I'm quite aware.



What I see generally in Western Europe is a growing nationalist sentiment for obvious reasons (immigration and reacting against the EU). It doesn't mean they don't view the state as a surrogate parent.



Iniciativa Liberal? I can't find much on them but except they believe in universal healthcare (which jacks up medical costs), social security (influences inflation because it's not based on labor), student loans (which jacks up the price of university tuition), etc. Some of the other things are good but... 15% flat tax rate is great but if you'll have universal healthcare and social security it's not going to work.

I guess that's better than nothing...

Size is very relevant, specifically in terms of population. Portuguese colonies were for the most part not heavily populated throughout most of the Empire. Angola in the 50's had less population than Portugal, now it is projected to have at least 200 million inhabitants by the end of the century. You likely do realize that the US wouldn't be what it is with a population of 30 million inhabitants.

The irony is that Portugal was unable to take advantage of the resources of its former colonies because they were only discovered a few years before or after independence. Oil only really began to be exploited in Angola in the 1960s. Angola turned out to be the second largest oil producer in Africa. Mozambique holds roughly 100 trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves. Timor-Leste currently exports hundreds of millions of dollars of oil and gas, yearly. So yes, I think it would make Portugal more relevant despite not having done so centuries prior according to your perspective (I do not fully agree though, Portugal left its obvious mark and impact globally).

Iniciativa Liberal is the closest to the Democrats you will find in here. They would be seen as "left-wing" by the average joe in America probably, whereas in Portugal among the actual left-wing they are seen as a right-wing party due to their liberal views on the economy (comparatively to what we have had in the last 50 years).

[Tooting Carmen]

Size is very relevant, specifically in terms of population. Portuguese colonies were for the most part not heavily populated throughout most of the Empire. Angola in the 50's had less population than Portugal, now it is projected to have at least 200 million inhabitants by the end of the century. You likely do realize that the US wouldn't be what it is with a population of 30 million inhabitants.

The irony is that Portugal was unable to take advantage of the resources of its former colonies because they were only discovered a few years before or after independence. Oil only really began to be exploited in Angola in the 1960s. Angola turned out to be the second largest oil producer in Africa. Mozambique holds roughly 100 trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves. Timor-Leste currently exports hundreds of millions of dollars of oil and gas, yearly. So yes, I think it would make Portugal more relevant despite not having done so centuries prior according to your perspective (I do not fully agree though, Portugal left its obvious mark and impact globally).

Iniciativa Liberal is the closest to the Democrats you will find in here. They would be seen as "left-wing" by the average joe in America probably, whereas in Portugal among the actual left-wing they are seen as a right-wing party due to their liberal views on the economy (comparatively to what we have had in the last 50 years).

Call me old-fashioned, but the primary beneficiaries of a place's resources should be the people who actually live there. Also, re your last sentence, would you agree that, in many ways, you are more of an American-type right-winger rather than a more traditional continental European-type right-winger?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Call me old-fashioned, but the primary beneficiaries of a place's resources should be the people who actually live there. Also, re your last sentence, would you agree that, in many ways, you are more of an American-type right-winger rather than a more traditional continental European-type right-winger?

We are not discussing who the primary beneficiaries should be or not but the premisse if Portugal would be a bigger global player with its former colonies or not. Also, as someone who has lived and worked before in Angola I can tell you that the people who actually live there are anything but benefiting from their resources...a cooperation under the guidance of Portugal with several levels of autonomy granted would have likely benefited every player better.

I don't know about traditional right-wingers in Europe but the ones that ressurge in recent years in Portugal or Spain (Chega\Vox) are liberal in their economic principles, at least compared to what we were used to.

[Tooting Carmen]

We are not discussing who the primary beneficiaries should be or not but the premisse if Portugal would be a bigger global player with its former colonies or not. Also, as someone who has lived and worked before in Angola I can tell you that the people who actually live there are anything but benefiting from their resources...a cooperation under the guidance of Portugal with several levels of autonomy granted would have likely benefited every player better.

I don't know about traditional right-wingers in Europe but the ones that ressurge in recent years in Portugal or Spain (Chega\Vox) are liberal in their economic principles, at least compared to what we were used to.

OK, but in most of Europe (including Iberia) the Right in its various forms has usually been more corporatist than laissez-faire in economics. As you've been saying yourself, Americans and Europeans have different ideas as to what is Left or Right.

[coolfrenchguy]

North America does not have any real leftist political parties unlike Europe and America is an oligarchy. Also, Parts of Europe also have a proportional representation system meaning minority left etc... parties can still get into government.
More intelligent people are statistically significantly more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to the human species in evolutionary history. Specifically, liberalism and atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity correlate with higher intelligence, a new study finds.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm


unfortunatly american citizens had never truly heritate from the second bill of rights,something than where ,we ,in our european democraties and sometimes called "welfare states" ,have directly heritate from ,like the social security, an equivalent of the medicare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States) of the forgotten Lyndon Baines Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson, now,unfortunatly for us the ultra-liberal globalists have taken the lead like these useless individuals, like jeff bezos and his insane travels in space,where in 2021, about 37.93 million people were living below the poverty line in the United States, an increase from the previous year. The number of people living in poverty peaked in 2014, but had been trending downwards until the year of the COVID-19 pandemic began.


The Second Bill of Rights or Bill of Economic Rights was proposed by United States President (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) Franklin D. Roosevelt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt) during his State of the Union Address on Tuesday, January 11, 1944 (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt%27s_Eleventh_State_of_th e_Union_Address).[1] In his address, Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognise and should now implement, a second "bill of rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_rights)". Roosevelt argued that the "political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution) and the Bill of Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights) had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_Liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_Happiness)". His remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" to guarantee these specific rights:


Employment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_employment) (right to work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_work)[notes 1])
An adequate income (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage) for food, shelter, and recreation
Farmers' rights to a fair income
Freedom from unfair competition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_competition) and monopolies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly)
Decent housing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_housing)
Adequate medical care (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care)
Social security (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security)
Education (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_education)

These rights have come to be known as economic rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_rights); although not to be enshrined within the constitution, the hope of advocating the policy was that it would be 'encoded and guaranteed by federal law'.[2] Roosevelt stated that having such rights would guarantee American security and that the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)' place in the world depended upon how far the rights had been carried into practice. This safety has been described as a state of physical welfare, as well as "economic security, social security, and moral security" by American legal scholar Cass Sunstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein).[3] Roosevelt pursued a legislative agenda to enact his second bill of rights by lending Executive Branch personnel to key Senate committees. This tactic, effectively a blending of powers, produced mixed results and generated a backlash from Congress which resulted in passage of the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_Reorganization_Act_of_1946). This Act provided funding for Congress to establish its own staffing for committees.[4]
Background[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Bill_of_Rights&action=edit&section=1)]

In the runup to the Second World War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), the United States had suffered through the Great Depression (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression) following the Wall Street Crash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash) of 1929. Roosevelt's election at the end of 1932 was based on a commitment to reform the economy and society through a "New Deal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal)" program. The first indication of a commitment to government guarantees of social and economic rights came in an address to the Commonwealth Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_to_the_Commonwealth_Club) on September 23, 1932, during his campaign. The speech was written with Adolf A. Berle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_A._Berle), a professor of corporate law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_corporate_law) at Columbia University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University). A key passage read:
As I see it, the task of government in its relation to business is to assist the development of an economic declaration of rights, an economic constitutional order. This is the common task of statesman and business man. It is the minimum requirement of a more permanently safe order of things.

Throughout Roosevelt's presidency, he returned to the same theme continually over the course of the New Deal. Also in the Atlantic Charter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Charter), an international commitment was made as the Allies thought about how to "win the peace" following victory in the Second World War. The US' commitment to non-interventionism in World War II ending with the 1941 Lend-Lease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) act, and later Pearl Harbor attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor), resulted in the mobilisation of the war state. The generous terms of the act, in conjunction with the economic growth of the US were key in allowing the US to establish new global order with the help of Allied powers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II) in the aftermath of war. This motivation to establish a new global order provided the infrastructure for the implementation of an international standard of human rights, seen with the Second Bill of Rights and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights). Akira Iriye (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_Iriye)'s proposition that the US desired to transform the post war Pacific after their own image is representative of the wider desire to raise global standards to that of the US, feeding into ideals of American Exceptionalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism).[5] The effect of wider democratisation and social reform is divulged upon in Francis Fukuyama's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama) The End of History and the Last Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man).[6]
Roosevelt's speech[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Bill_of_Rights&action=edit&section=2)]

During Roosevelt's January 11, 1944, message (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt%27s_Eleventh_State_of_th e_Union_Address) to the Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) on the State of the Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_Union), he said the following:[7]
It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living) higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.
This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. "Necessitous men are not free men."[8] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:


The right to a useful and remunerative job (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_work) in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage) to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_competition) and domination by monopolies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly) at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_housing);
The right to adequate medical care (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_health) and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security);
The right to a good education (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_education).

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.



but ,even i'am not marxist or communist ,you need to know and understand first what is capitalism is: a social alienation :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_alienation

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

OK, but in most of Europe (including Iberia) the Right in its various forms has usually been more corporatist than laissez-faire in economics. As you've been saying yourself, Americans and Europeans have different ideas as to what is Left or Right.

When it comes to economy I am definitely more leaning to the American model.

[Tooting Carmen]

When it comes to economy I am definitely more leaning to the American model.

Well I have to say that our mass privatisation programme in the 80s and 90s has had rather mixed results, to say the least. Our trains and buses are far more expensive than most other countries', as are our utilities to some extent too. After all, private monopolies have the same operating costs State monopolies do, plus they also have to make a profit for their shareholders, which actually makes them more expensive and less value for money for the customer. (Quite apart from the strategic issues of not being able to own your own electricity and water supplies).

[axel.aleman]

Yes, you're very racially/ethnically minded. One would almost think you have some baggage.




Most poor Appalachian Whites are unwilling to move to where there are employment opportunities. Their ancestors were miners. Mines have closed. Some move to find work and others go on welfare and what a shocker when we see serious social problems. Work is important for someone's psychological well-being. You see this in Puerto Rico as well where people begin using alcohol and drugs because they have no direction. It's an empty life filled with pleasures that destroy the people and families around them.



What do I care about a video? Unfortunately, many families have been hit hard by the COVID-affected economy but most homeless people are still crazy people and drug addicts. Many veterans, also, because of PTSD. Although you get a lot of people pretending to be veterans to get money from you.



I don't approve of your use of a racial slur. How would you like it if I call you half-a-spic? Please refrain from using racial slurs.



You have to understand I think you're incompetent. Make a thread about your 'research.'

You have killed Tooting Carmen

[Tooting Carmen]

You have killed Tooting Carmen

No he has not.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Well I have to say that our mass privatisation programme in the 80s and 90s has had rather mixed results, to say the least. Our trains and buses are far more expensive than most other countries', as are our utilities to some extent too. After all, private monopolies have the same operating costs State monopolies do, plus they also have to make a profit for their shareholders, which actually makes them more expensive and less value for money for the customer. (Quite apart from the strategic issues of not being able to own your own electricity and water supplies).

We experienced a wave of privatisations in the second half of the 1990s and yet we are still one of the EU member states with the greatest weight of the State in the business sector of the economy. A huge burden. Do you want to exchange your train system with ours? Ours is state-owned, every year there are at least a minimum of 20 strikes. Our state-owned flight company, also a huge suckers of tax payers money...if it depended on me, I would privatize all of it.

[Tooting Carmen]

We experienced a wave of privatisations in the second half of the 1990s and yet we are still one of the EU member states with the greatest weight of the State in the business sector of the economy. A huge burden. Do you want to exchange your train system with ours? Ours is state-owned, every year there are at least a minimum of 20 strikes. Our state-owned flight company, also a huge suckers of tax payers money...if it depended on me, I would privatize all of it.

I thought TAP Portugal had been privatised recently? Besides, I support the privatisation of airlines - unlike railways, where usually there is only one set of tracks so the idea of competition is silly, the sky is empty and thus you can have several airlines genuinely competing on the same routes. One thing I am proud of is how, even post-Beeching, our railways are still among the most extensive and frequent in the world. I do have experience of Portuguese railways: I tried to get a train from Porto to A Corunha, but it was a five or six-hour journey and it was very infrequent. Nonetheless, my main beef (and most people's) with British railways is how incredibly expensive the fares are, especially at peak time.

N.B. Since June, we have been having frequent strikes on our railways ourselves.

[axel.aleman]

No he has not.

Not literally

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I wouldn't say I have 'baggage'. But I do have very varied ancestry myself, and I grew up in one of Britain's most multiracial cities, so ethnicity has always been an ever-present thought in me.

Yes, I can tell from all your interracial posts. You crave the Black cock.


(Partly playing Devil's advocate): maybe because they have attachments to family, community and place regardless of economic opportunities?

It's not other people's obligation to pay so they can live there. What does Joe-Six-Pack working 12 hours a day at a steel mill in Lowell, Mass. give a fuck? That's not his concern.


And the other big question is: why do companies avoid investing in the Appalachians in the first instance?

Maybe because it's in the middle of nowhere in the fucking mountains. Do you know shipping goods has a cost?



You're missing the point: even looking specifically at White Americans, there is still a lot of poverty and social decay. To say that the differences between the US and Europe are mainly due to Blacks and Hispanics is a half-truth at best.

In the US you're rewarded for being competent. If your career is as a cashier at Target or working at McDonald's then you're going to be poor. What is to be done? Your financial reward matches what you produce. I'm sure people with an IQ of 90 are better off in Western Euroland but that comes to a financial cost to your society.




My apologies, but my basic point stands that the White working-class/underclass is as much a feature of life in the US as in Europe, regardless of differences in how generous welfare payments are.

Appalachian Whites are not going to give me a Glasgow smile. I will rather be around Appalachian Whites than your Chavs. Appalachian Whites are pretty much bros.


Voila: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?367299-Employment-and-race-ethnicity-in-the-UK-and-the-US-compare-and-contrast

Lolz

I rather be a plumber in the US than an professional/managerial/whatever in the UK. Earnings matter. Feel free to convert pounds to dollars.

Voila!

https://i.imgur.com/SVXEWMG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FL9nDk7.jpg

The US chart includes both men and women together.

This reminds me. When Ylla spoke about nursing I compared UK wages with American wages by state. Conclusion: if you live in the UK and you're a nurse immigrate to the US because the difference in pay is huge.

US for the win.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

No he has not.

You're done, man. You're done.

Not since the Gillies-Hospodar fight has there been so much blood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrYqvPVNWKM

The Frenchman has irritated me with the FDR nonsense. It's too much. I'm going to do push-ups. You people, I swear.

[Insuperable]

In the US you're rewarded for being competent. If your career is as a cashier at Target or working at McDonald's then you're going to be poor. What is to be done? Your financial reward matches what you produce. I'm sure people with an IQ of 90 are better off in Western Euroland but that comes to a financial cost to your society.

Why does the US import so many competent foreigners? Is it because it's not able to find them at 'home' in order to sustain its current development or is it something else?


This reminds me. When Ylla spoke about nursing I compared UK wages with American wages by state. Conclusion: if you live in the UK and you're a nurse immigrate to the US because the difference in pay is huge.US for the win.

Well the US is a richer country. At least Brits, Germans, Spainiards, Swedes, Austrians, Swiss or whatever made the their countries what they are now. Can't say the same for modern America. Bragging about mongrel country which is brain draining countries all over the world.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Why does the US import so many competent foreigners? Is it because it's not able to find them at 'home' in order to sustain its current development or is it something else?

In many cases, it is because companies want to pay their employee less with less benefits. An Indian IT guy costs less than an American, for example.

In some instances, the demand rises too quickly. For example, the US for a period of time was in great need of nurses because of the growth in the elderly population.




Well the US is a richer country. At least Brits, Germans, Spainiards, Swedes, Austrians, Swiss or whatever made the their countries what they are now. Can't say the same for modern America.

Hopefully, the mongrels that you need to sustain your economy to avoid an economic collapse will appreciate your efforts if they don't choose to murder you in your sleep. Well, not you. You're in Croatia. You're not in a relevant European nation.


Bragging about mongrel country which is brain draining countries all over the world.

Don't piss me off, bro. I'll buy your town and burn it to the ground for the lolz.

Go try to be relevant.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Anyway, when doing the comparison between US and UK salary cost of living is important and should be noted.


The average cost of living in the United Kingdom ($1804) is 15% less expensive than in the United States ($2112). the United Kingdom ranked 16th vs 6th for the United States in the list of the most expensive countries in the world.
https://livingcost.org/cost/united-kingdom/united-states#:~:text=The%20average%20cost%20of%20living, expensive%20countries%20in%20the%20world.

This has to be factored in as well.

[JamesBond007]

Most poor Appalachian Whites are unwilling to move to where there are employment opportunities. Their ancestors were miners. Mines have closed. Some move to find work and others go on welfare and what a shocker when we see serious social problems. Work is important for someone's psychological well-being. You see this in Puerto Rico as well where people begin using alcohol and drugs because they have no direction. It's an empty life filled with pleasures that destroy the people and families around them.





What do I care about a video? Unfortunately, many families have been hit hard by the COVID-affected economy but most homeless people are still crazy people and drug addicts. Many veterans, also, because of PTSD. Although you get a lot of people pretending to be veterans to get money from you.



Over two million Americans are estimated to be dependent on opioids, and an additional 95 million used prescription painkillers in 2019 etc... – more than used tobacco. Drug overdoses are now the leading cause of death among Americans under 50.

To understand why one person is in pain, you need to know their story. To understand why millions of people are in pain, you need to know their social conditions.

While capitalism makes work difficult to tolerate, the unemployment it creates is unbearable. For every 1 percent increase in unemployment in America, deaths from opioid overdose rise nearly 4 percent, and emergency department visits for opioid overdose rise 7 percent.

There is clearly a link between economic distress, working-class representation, and drug, alcohol, and suicide mortality. Nationally, mortality rates are lowest in the least economically distressed counties and highest in the most economically distressed counties.

The capitalist class are responsible for creating this economic distress and the resulting pain. They establish profitable industries, destroy the environment in the process, then relocate to more profitable areas, abandoning entire regions to rot. This happened in Detroit, the former heart of the American auto industry. It happened in the Industrial Midwest, now called the Rust Belt, and it happened in Appalachia, a former mining and metalworking region known as ‘Ground Zero’ of the opioid epidemic.

In these places, good jobs and the dignity of work have been replaced by suffering, hopelessness, and despair, the feeling that America isn’t so great anymore, and the belief that people in power don’t care about them or their communities.



Work is important for someone's psychological well-being.


“For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” --Karl Marx




...but most homeless people are still crazy people....

The capitalists have made progress in the art of hiding the distress of the working-class.
—Frederich Engels (1820-1895)

Turning economic contradictions into psychological problems is one of the standard tricks of bourgeois ideology.--Lucien Sève


Suffering is a painful, inescapable part of life. Intense suffering can make it difficult, even impossible, for a person to function. In caring, cooperative societies, people who are incapacitated by pain are provided what they need to recover. This does not happen under capitalist rule.

The capitalist class can neither acknowledge nor remedy mass suffering without ending their pursuit of profit and putting themselves out of business. Instead, they insist that suffering is not a social or systemic problem, but a medical problem requiring intervention at the individual level.

While capitalists and their supporters have done an excellent job of selling this concept to the public, much doubt remains. When people ask, “Is mental illness real?”, they are asking if mental suffering is a medical condition with a physical cause that can be identified by tests and treated in the same way that diseases like cancer or arthritis are treated.

Distressed people need support. While some are helped by the ‘mental-health’ industry, many others are made worse. The capitalist class offer no alternative.


The ‘mental-health’ industry was not established to support people, but to individualize and medicalize the social misery created by capitalist rule. A United Nations report concluded,

"The longstanding biomedical tradition of medicalizing various forms of psycho-social distress and human suffering has cast a long shadow over the importance of addressing the social and underlying determinants of health."

The U.N. recommends shifting the focus away “from chemical imbalances to power imbalances.” However, the medical model of suffering dominates society precisely because it conceals the social sources of suffering.


In 2011, Ronald Pies, editor-in-chief emeritus of the Psychiatric Times, stated, “In truth, the ‘chemical imbalance’ notion was always a kind of urban legend—never a theory seriously propounded by well-informed psychiatrists.” And in 2013, Thomas Insel, then director of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), offered a harsh rebuke of the DSM, announcing that because the DSM diagnostic system lacks validity, the “NIMH will be re-orienting its research away from DSM categories.”

Published in the journal Neuron, Raymond Dolan—considered one of the most influential neuroscientists in the world—co-authored “Functional Neuroimaging in Psychiatry and the Case for Failing Better,” concluding, “Despite three decades of intense neuroimaging research, we still lack a neurobiological account for any psychiatric condition.”

Reflecting on the more than 16,000 neuroimaging articles published during the last 30 years, Dolan and his co-authors concluded: “It remains difficult to refute a critique that psychiatry’s most fundamental characteristic is its ignorance. . . . Casting a cold eye on the psychiatric neuroimaging literature invites a conclusion that despite 30 years of intense research and considerable technological advances, this enterprise has not delivered a neurobiological account (i.e., a mechanistic explanation) for any psychiatric disorder, nor has it provided a credible imaging-based biomarker of clinical utility.”

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, when doing the comparison between US and UK salary cost of living is important and should be noted.



This has to be factored in as well.

Now this does really surprise me. I thought that housing in particular would be cheaper in the US, given the much greater abundance of land.

[Insuperable]

In many cases, it is because companies want to pay their employee less with less benefits. An Indian IT guy costs less than an American, for example.

In some instances, the demand rises too quickly. For example, the US for a period of time was in great need of nurses because of the growth of elderly population.

Nice cope. Not saying there is not a bit truth to what you wrote. I don't remember the last time I read some scientific news without chingchong or brahmapurti doctoral or postdoctoral student at your most prestigious universities who are on their way of founding next big companies at Silicon Valley like they have been doing for several decades by now. I sometimes just keep wondering where are all the homeboys like yourself at.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM

I don't know about Eastern Europe, but I am pretty sure that in Western Europe competent and hard-working people are rewarded the same as in the US.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Nice cope. Not saying there is not a bit truth to what you wrote. I don't remember the last time I read some scientific news without chingchong or brahmapurti doctoral or postdoctoral student at your most prestigious universities who are on their way of founding next big companies at Silicon Valley like they have been doing for several decades by now. I sometimes just keep wondering where are all the homeboys like yourself at.

How shocking... Intelligent people of the world are drawn to prestigious universities and companies. You call this a 'cope' while people with three-digit IQs call it natural. When you come from an irrelevant part of the world it must be difficult to understand why highly intelligent people want to congregate in universities and companies with other highly intelligent people in a nation that is relevant.


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Oh, Kaku. Pop science must be your thing.


I don't know about Eastern Europe, but I am pretty sure that in Western Europe competent and hard-working people are rewarded the same as in the US.

I accept your 'pretty sure' over statistics.

Are we done now? Or do you want to waste my time further?

[Insuperable]

If you actually had three digit IQ you would realize they are drawn primarily to fill STEM gaps in your country and then it's about what you have written.

Show me that statistics?

[Blondie]

Western Euros are basically adults who want to be children. They want the state to be their parent and when you have adults who want to be children you get a disaster.

That's very true, and true for East Europe too. Everyone wants everything from the "glorious" state instead of ambition and high level career. The state is licking everyones ass with welfare social policy and politicians treat peoples like kids. I hate it so much. Americans are 100% more independent in every way than europeans, its not a question. We can say USA is home of adult peoples, and EU is a kindergarten.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

I doubt any serious organization would go out and measure different IQs in other countries. It's more productive for, in this case the U.S., to offer visas for highly skilled workers, than to search for them. Some high skilled workers will naturally be drawn to the US because of the great amount of successfully established corporations.

You could at least have a key legend to indicate what the colors mean

Hehe :picard1:

So I dont get it. Are you saying the American Continent is dumb for being right wing ? Because it says 2022 they shifted to the right.

Lol, it's the fucking basis for logic to define things, in this case what this map indicates. You're not supposed to create your own logic. That's what the SATs are for. lol

Zebruh is approaching this issue correctly, by pointing out that there is insufficient data to prove anything in this case.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Losing your empires wasn't the problem (Portugal, UK, etc. colonies quickly became a financial burden.) You're imploding with your policies that punishes hard work and entrepreneurship. Western Euros are basically adults who want to be children. They want the state to be their parent and when you have adults who want to be children you get a disaster.
True. And I think it's the parents fault for not enlightening the entrepreneurial spirit in their kids. Here, everyone is supposed to be the same, like in a factory, and anomalies are not appreciated, but then how will you have inventions without the mindset of an inventor?
They only like it when it benefits them but when it doesn't they get rid of it, which tells you what kind of mindset they sanction, and it isn't the right one.

I suppose this is okay for many Swedes but not me. For me, meaning in life is to make a difference.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

If you actually had three digit IQ you would realize they are drawn primarily to fill STEM gaps in your country and then it's about what you have written.


I thought you were talking about academics and hence why you referenced 'chingchongs, brown people, etc.' publishing in 'scientific news.' You need to understand I'm not fluent in retard.

There is a gap in every relevant nation in the West that I looked at. I remind you (because you're retarded) this direction the thread has gone stems from your 'lolz Americans need foreigners cuz they iz stupid... lolololol... brown and chinky STEM.. lolololol... where's muh rooster?' argument and yet here we have two Western European nations (the most relevant ones) having an issue.

Germany


There are numerous STEM initiatives and the German national STEM forum (MINT) gathers together over 30 institutions and associations, such as the German Rectors' Conference, employers' associations, and the chambers of industry and commerce. Many experts point out that the relevant competences to fill the gap exist within an immigrant population.

Employment rates in STEM professions, over the course of the past two to three years, show the sharp increase in employment of foreigners, in particular from India and central and east Europe. This immigration influx has strongly contributed to safeguarding the skilled labour supply.
https://www.cedefop.europa.eu/en/news/germany-immigrants-fill-stem-gap

I don't speak Kraut and so I can't find specifics online.

UK


Following Brexit, the United Kingdom implemented reforms to improve the efficacy of its immigration system. This included excluding doctors and nurses from being counted under a visa cap, an action which opened slots within the cap for additional highly-skilled occupations including engineers and IT professionals. Beyond this, the UK Parliament issued a report titled, “An Immigration System that works for Science and Innovation” in 2018. The report accurately points out, “The science and innovation community is not homogeneous; people have different types and levels of skill, and are at different stages in their career, all of which will have an impact on their mobility. Several submissions set out the skills, and career stages, that an immigration system needs to support if it is to work effectively for science and innovation” [19]. One of the recommendations this report gave to the government was to loosen the requirements to qualify for the Tier-1 (exceptional talent) visa.

The government announced in January 2020 that it was replacing the Tier-1 visa with the Global Talent Visa to attract scientists, researchers, and mathematicians from around the world [20]. There is no cap on the number of visas issued in a year, further signaling the UK’s appetite for supporting talented individuals. UK Research and Innovation (UKRI) decided to endorse scientists and researchers for this visa, an unprecedented move. These visa changes went into effect in February 2020 and are aimed at providing researchers and their families a 3–5 year pathway to permanent residency in the UK..
https://sciencepolicyreview.org/2021/08/impact-international-scientists-engineers-students-us-research-output/

I couldn't find much else. Apparently, STEM isn't an acronym used much outside of the US? I don't have the patience to dig so deeply when the info isn't so quick to get but the above is enough to show there is an issue.

The US

https://i.imgur.com/waf9AMn.png


Show me that statistics?

You're quite the lazy fuck, aren't you? How about I slap you across the face with my virtual dick? Would you like that? Of course, you would. It's a big step up from whatever animal you can wrangle.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

True. And I think it's the parents fault for not enlightening the entrepreneurial spirit in their kids. Here, everyone is supposed to be the same, like in a factory, and anomalies are not appreciated, but then how will you have inventions without the mindset of an inventor?
They only like it when it benefits them but when it doesn't they get rid of it, which tells you what kind of mindset they sanction, and it isn't the right one.

I suppose this is okay for many Swedes but not me. For me, meaning in life is to make a difference.

Japanese are like that but somehow are always coming up with gadgets. People I know who have worked in Japan say their co-workers and management aren't keen on you finding a better way of doing something. Initiative is not promoted. Change comes from the top. The Japanese have a saying: "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Japanese are like that but somehow are always coming up with gadgets. People I know who have worked in Japan say their co-workers and management aren't keen on you finding a better way of doing something. Initiative is not promoted. Change comes from the top. The Japanese have a saying: "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."
Well, it doesn't stop a country from inventing, but I just don't like the mindset.

In my family my parents are sort of used to having kids who come up with all sorts of goofy things, but just as often they are also surprised by what their kids can achieve. I think that's an example of someone who takes full responsibility of what they stand for. But then again I have a grandfather who was an industrialist, which isn't the case for many people I meet (here in Sweden).
So it's the most natural for people in my family, and even my parents have come to accept this.
I think some parents would act less appropriate or find some kind of label to use if their kids acted like this.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I should take a shot at CV's retardation. Leftism is a major problem in Spain and those on the right aren't much better. It's just ironic to point a figure at the US. You can point a finger at Canada cuz that country is ghey as fuck now. There is no hope for Canada. But Spain isn't exactly sitting pretty. I can't help but blame soccer. If you play such a ghey sport it's only natural you'll be lame.

[TheForeigner]

I should take a shot at CV's retardation. Leftism is a major problem in Spain and those on the right aren't much better. It's just ironic to point a figure at the US. You can point a finger at Canada cuz that country is ghey as fuck now. There is no hope for Canada. But Spain isn't exactly sitting pretty. I can't help but blame soccer. If you play such a ghey sport it's only natural you'll be lame.

At least Spaniards play sports and do play 'soccer' well. You Americans sit your fat asses in front of your tv to watch negroes play basketball or American football.:picard2:

[Atlantic Reptilian]

At least Spaniards play sports and do play 'soccer' well. You Americans sit your fat asses in front of your tv to watch negroes play basketball or American football.:picard2:

Basketball is better than soccer

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Well, it doesn't stop a country from inventing, but I just don't like the mindset.

In my family my parents are sort of used to having kids who come up with all sorts of goofy things, but just as often they are also surprised by what their kids can achieve. I think that's an example of someone who takes full responsibility of what they stand for. But then again I have a grandfather who was an industrialist, which isn't the case for many people I meet (here in Sweden).
So it's the most natural for people in my family, and even my parents have come to accept this.
I think some parents would act less appropriate or find some kind of label to use if their kids acted like this.

I think this is the best manner of parenting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj2K4FrqTmw

And always have them doing something around the house: washing dishes, mowing lawn, sweeping the floor, hammering shingles on the roof, mason work, plumbing, guard duty, etc.

[TheForeigner]

Basketball is better than soccer

But white Americans don't play it much anymore, do they.

[Daco Celtic]

But white Americans don't play it much anymore, do they.

I'm still playing basketball. I will dunk on a mini Romanian.

[TheForeigner]

I'm still playing basketball. I will dunk on a mini Romanian.

But you won't dare compete with negroes dope. You worship them too much.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

At least Spaniards play sports and do play 'soccer' well.

The average Spaniard doesn't spend much time playing sports. I've seen a study.


You Americans sit your fat asses in front of your tv to watch negroes play basketball or American football.:picard2:

Your obsession with negroes, which always appears randomly, makes me think you and Tooting Carmen have something in common.

[Daco Celtic]

But you won't dare compete with negroes dope. You worship them too much.

They are scared of me too. I learned from Gheorghe Mureșan.

[TheForeigner]

The average Spaniard doesn't spend much time playing sports. I've seen a study.





Spaniards and Europeans are far less likely to be overweight than Americans or Mexicans though. At least they are more likely to be fit to play sports or do military service.

[TheForeigner]

They are scared of me too. I learned from Gheorghe Mureșan.

Are you serious or was this a joke?

[Daco Celtic]

Are you serious or was this a joke?

I've watched Muresan highlights everyday of my life since 1994. Transylvanian folk hero.


https://youtu.be/KhhQ2LTmTQc

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Spaniards and Europeans are far less likely to be overweight than Americans or Mexicans though. At least they are more likely to be fit to play sports or do military service.

Far less likely... You always speak in extremes and not surprisingly you're not accurate. The country you'll eventually illegally enter isn't far behind (UK). It's the same with Germany.

http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/rankings/14-Obesity.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Far less likely... You always speak in extremes and not surprisingly you're not accurate. The country you'll eventually illegally enter isn't far behind (UK). It's the same with Germany.

http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/rankings/14-Obesity.jpg

Wales the least obese part of the British Isles? Hmm whatever.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

It's been fun but I should really get a few hours of sleep.

Always remember...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-dI4Sl2rzE

[Vhugg]

Left or right they govern the same way so it's irrelevant. Neither the left in American countries is the same as the European left.

[Vhugg]

There is a joke that says that in Heaven the cooks are French, the policemen are English, the mechanics are German, the lovers are Italian and the bankers are Swiss - whereas in Hell the cooks are English, the policemen are German, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss and the bankers are Italian.
The Apricity must be in hell because here the third world immigrants have the best solutions about how to fix their first world host countries.

[Insuperable]

I thought you were talking about academics and hence why you referenced 'chingchongs, brown people, etc.' publishing in 'scientific news.' You need to understand I'm not fluent in retard.

I am talking about academia and everything.


There is a gap in every relevant nation in the West that I looked at. I remind you (because you're retarded) this direction the thread has gone stems from your 'lolz Americans need foreigners cuz they iz stupid... lolololol... brown and chinky STEM.. lolololol... where's muh rooster?' argument and yet here we have two Western European nations (the most relevant ones) having an issue.

If you enter into establishments of German drivers of economy you would see overhemingly native population. Foreigners mainly do labor works. Things are however changing in Western Europe too. On the other hand if you enter say MiT academia or Google or Intel you forget in which country you are at.


You're quite the lazy fuck, aren't you? How about I slap you across the face with my virtual dick? Would you like that? Of course, you would. It's a big step up from whatever animal you can wrangle.

Classical retarded CFG comment.

Most Western European countries are among the best countries in the world and are so called welfare states. You know there also exists an ethnic solidarity in European countries. Their system is working well since people there are for the most part consciousness. The problem in Western Europe is exploitation of welfare system by immigrants. It is funny when you give economic lessons to non other but to Western European countries and yet your country is dependent on high-skilled immigration, to a lot higher degree at least.

[JamesBond007]

Japanese are like that but somehow are always coming up with gadgets. People I know who have worked in Japan say their co-workers and management aren't keen on you finding a better way of doing something. Initiative is not promoted. Change comes from the top. The Japanese have a saying: "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NsyTloPqJc

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AD3516/chelsea-pensioners-enjoy-a-day-at-royal-ascot-horse-races-chatting-AD3516.jpg

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/45-of-the-greatest-british-inventions-of-all-time

https://list25.com/25-most-incredible-japanese-inventions-throughout-history/

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1e4543fdbaca6ed3ac2c3ac8f9d07413-lq

[Vhugg]

Most Western European countries are among the best countries in the world and are so called welfare states. You know there also exists an ethnic solidarity in European countries. Their system is working well since people there are for the most part consciousness. The problem in Western Europe is exploitation of welfare system by immigrants.

This is like the nature vs nurture debate. Natives blame the state of their decaying Western countries on the changing demographics while immigrants blame ideology.
You won't get a low IQ individual to accept that his life sucks because he's retarded just like you won't get immigrants to accept that as they become more numerous in the host country it starts to resemble their countries of origin.

[JamesBond007]

In many cases, it is because companies want to pay their employee less with less benefits. An Indian IT guy costs less than an American, for example.






https://theincap.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/CEO.png


https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-53/Adobe.html

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/Microsoft.html


Twitter has major security problems that pose a threat to its own users’ personal information, to company shareholders, to national security, and to democracy, according to an explosive whistleblower disclosure obtained exclusively by CNN and The Washington Post


https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/23/tech/twitter-whistleblower-peiter-zatko-security/index.html

Google uses Linux for its web, network servers and Android while IBM has embraced Linux too :


Google's open security team has claimed the Linux kernel code is not good enough, with nearly 100 new fixes every week, and that at least 100 more engineers are needed to work on it.

Kees Cook, a Google software engineer who has devoted much of his time to security features in the Linux kernel, has posted about continuing problems in the kernel which he said have insufficient focus.

"The stable kernel releases ('bug fixes only') each contain close to 100 new fixes per week," he said. This puts pressure on Linux vendors – including those who support the countless products which run Linux – to "ignore all the fixes, pick out only 'important' fixes, or face the daunting task of taking everything," he said.

Cook partly blames the C programming language. "With Linux written in C, it will continue to have a long tail of associated problems," he said. He added that the Mitre CVE (Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures) list, used by professionals to assess the importance of bugs, is not up to the task since "not all security flaws have CVEs assigned, nor are they assigned in a timely manner."
....



https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/04/google_linux_kernel_security/




The British teenager who managed to hack into the online accounts of several high-profile US government employees sentenced to two years in prison on Friday.

Kane Gamble, now 18, hacked into email accounts of former CIA director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Deputy Director Mark Giuliano, and other senior FBI officials—all from his parent's home in Leicestershire.

Gamble, who went by the online alias Cracka, was just 15 at the time of carrying out those attacks and was the alleged founder of a hacking group calling themselves Crackas With Attitude (CWA).


https://thehackernews.com/2018/04/hacker-kane-gamble.html




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZvftsXI2mo

https://inteng-storage-us.s3.amazonaws.com/images/import/2016/06/ALAN-TURING-COVER.jpg

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/enigma-741309.jpg

https://s3.ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/cdn.deccanchronicle.com/sites/default/files/Untitled-2%20copy_19_0.jpg

[Blondie]

Most Western European countries are among the best countries in the world and are so called welfare states. You know there also exists an ethnic solidarity in European countries. Their system is working well since people there are for the most part consciousness. The problem in Western Europe is exploitation of welfare system by immigrants. It is funny when you give economic lessons to non other but to Western European countries and yet your country is dependent on high-skilled immigration, to a lot higher degree at least.

Not just that. Americans born to be free, this country was always democracy with maximal freedom. The situation is very different in Europe which ruled by dictators, kings, emperrors and other totalitarian leaders in the most history. This state oriented mindset is part of european people's mind, thats why europeans want strong state that do care about them. This is the root of them problem. This is the reason of welfare society and the welfare society is the reason of unlimited migration. They just want to enjoy our paradise, thats all. I have read a german article half years ago, 50% of new migrants dont work, and dont want to work and they dont wanna learn german language either. These are parasites.

I dont like lot of thing in USA but really, but there are many thing what they do much better. For example lack of socialism. Why should i care about other peoples? Why? Im responsible only for my own life, i dont wanna pay for others health insurance. This is the reason of european alcoholism and high smoking rate, because an average people thinks the state will heal me freely because we have free health care. I have talked about it with americans, the normal european alcohol consumption is alcoholism everywhere outside of Europe. I drink a glass of wine in every day after dinner, peoples drink 2 bottle of wine at party or 10 beer per person or they start to smoke cigarette at 13-16 years old age, and this is pretty normal here. And the reason of it the free health care, the peoples dont care about their own health.
Why should i pay higher taxes? The state just steal it as always, and i dont care others social life. The state should give free market, various jobs and universities and possibility for better carrier to reach the sky. Thats called american capitalism. In Europe the state is always limits the peoples life and their carrier. I dont wanna pay to poors for their better life. Its not my business, we are all responsible for our own life, and my money is my money not for parasites and lazy peoples.
Or the gun permit. Basically normal self defense doesnt exist in Europe because the glorious state will defend us... yeah in the reality tons of vulnerable people like women or elders dies because they cant defend themselves from the armed criminals and the state dont do anything.

The freedom has real meaning in USA, even the poor americans insist to it very much. In Europe the average people would vote for evey dictator who promise more food and "free" money. Yes europeans are kids, and they wanna be kids forever. State Daddy defends me from bad guys, gives me free money but not guns because its only for adults. State Daddy take me to the hospital if im krank just like when i was 10 years old. State Daddy protect me from the wind, and gives me a perfect safe space when i dont need to do anything for better life just voting the good candidate who gives me every social thing. This is Europe today and this is sucks, because this welfare state maked euros weakly cucks and these blacks, arabs, and other third worlders are not chiwawas like euros but trained predators with military experience and hard life. We have absolutely no chance against them in long way.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not just that. Americans born to be free, this country was always democracy with maximal freedom.

In theory, yes. However, this wasn't really the case for most Aframs and Native Americans, the latter trapped in reservations and the former subjected to Apartheid-like laws in most of the country.


The situation is very different in Europe which ruled by dictators, kings, emperors and other totalitarian leaders in the most history. This state oriented mindset is part of european people's mind, thats why europeans want strong state that do care about them.

To a large extent that is true. All the same, you seem to have changed your tune from praising the supposedly "great" Austro-Hungarian Empire, which nevertheless broke up precisely because many of its subjects found it oppressive. Furthermore, apart from Nazi Germany and the USSR, most of Europe's leaders have been authoritarian rather than totalitarian - there is a crucial difference.


This is the reason of welfare society and the welfare society is the reason of unlimited migration. They just want to enjoy our paradise, thats all. I have read a german article half years ago, 50% of new migrants dont work, and dont want to work and they dont wanna learn german language either. These are parasites.

(1) Even taking this argument on its own terms, as I said earlier in this thread the US has levels of both immigration and multiracialism well beyond anywhere in Europe. Even London, Paris and Amsterdam are still a lot whiter than NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Miami, LA, SF and doubtless many other major US cities. (2) Re the language issue, Brits and Americans in particular when moving abroad are hardly renowned for their willingness to learn the new language (whether European or not).


I dont like lot of thing in USA but really, but there are many thing what they do much better. For example lack of socialism. Why should i care about other peoples? Why? Im responsible only for my own life, i dont wanna pay for others health insurance.

Individualism is good in doses, but when it becomes the be all and end all principle it leads to selfishness and societal breakdown.


This is the reason of european alcoholism and high smoking rate, because an average people thinks the state will heal me freely because we have free health care. I have talked about it with americans, the normal european alcohol consumption is alcoholism everywhere outside of Europe. I drink a glass of wine in every day after dinner, peoples drink 2 bottle of wine at party or 10 beer per person or they start to smoke cigarette at 13-16 years old age, and this is pretty normal here. And the reason of it the free health care, the peoples dont care about their own health.

Americans may drink and smoke less than Europeans, but their obesity rates are higher than in most European countries and I think you'll find their rates of consumption of most illicit substances ranging from cannabis to cocaine and heroine are worse than in most of Europe.


Or the gun permit. Basically normal self defense doesnt exist in Europe because the glorious state will defend us... yeah in the reality tons of vulnerable people like women or elders dies because they cant defend themselves from the armed criminals and the state dont do anything.

American gun culture is one reason (though certainly not the only or even primary reason) why shootings and homicides are at substantially higher rates than in Europe.


The freedom has real meaning in USA, even the poor americans insist to it very much.

Again, it depends on who you ask. In addition to its history of quasi-Apartheid, it also took longer to legalise homosexuality than in the majority of (at least Western) Europe, and its laws regarding prostitution, pornography and other consensual activities in most states even today are more punitive and censorious than in most of Europe, quite apart from the recent rise in anti-abortion fanaticism. The US also has the world's highest incarceration rate and is the only high-income democracy aside from Japan to retain the death penalty. Furthermore, there are deeply banana republic-like practices such as legalised gerrymandering, the electoral college and the Supreme Court judges being directly appointed by the President.

[Blondie]

...

You forgot to reply the black predator words :coffee:

[Insuperable]

Not just that. Americans born to be free, this country was always democracy with maximal freedom. The situation is very different in Europe which ruled by dictators, kings, emperrors and other totalitarian leaders in the most history. This state oriented mindset is part of european people's mind, thats why europeans want strong state that do care about them. This is the root of them problem. This is the reason of welfare society and the welfare society is the reason of unlimited migration. They just want to enjoy our paradise, thats all. I have read a german article half years ago, 50% of new migrants dont work, and dont want to work and they dont wanna learn german language either. These are parasites.

Like I said immigration is a problem including intra-European immigration.


I dont like lot of thing in USA but really, but there are many thing what they do much better. For example lack of socialism. Why should i care about other peoples? Why? Im responsible only for my own life, i dont wanna pay for others health insurance. This is the reason of european alcoholism and high smoking rate, because an average people thinks the state will heal me freely because we have free health care. I have talked about it with americans, the normal european alcohol consumption is alcoholism everywhere outside of Europe. I drink a glass of wine in every day after dinner, peoples drink 2 bottle of wine at party or 10 beer per person or they start to smoke cigarette at 13-16 years old age, and this is pretty normal here. And the reason of it the free health care, the peoples dont care about their own health.

People smoke and drink because they retards. Beer and wine is unfortuantely part of a culture of many European countries. Healthcare in Western European countries is not free just like it's not in the United States.


Why should i pay higher taxes? The state just steal it as always, and i dont care others social life. The state should give free market, various jobs and universities and possibility for better carrier to reach the sky. Thats called american capitalism. In Europe the state is always limits the peoples life and their carrier. I dont wanna pay to poors for their better life. Its not my business, we are all responsible for our own life, and my money is my money not for parasites and lazy peoples. Or the gun permit. Basically normal self defense doesnt exist in Europe because the glorious state will defend us... yeah in the reality tons of vulnerable people like women or elders dies because they cant defend themselves from the armed criminals and the state dont do anything.

State does give free market and various possibilities. What are you talking about? In the US they need guns and they way things are going, immigration and all, guns are gonna be needed in European countries too. So, I am not against it where it's needed.


The freedom has real meaning in USA, even the poor americans insist to it very much. In Europe the average people would vote for evey dictator who promise more food and "free" money. Yes europeans are kids, and they wanna be kids forever. State Daddy defends me from bad guys, gives me free money but not guns because its only for adults. State Daddy take me to the hospital if im krank just like when i was 10 years old. State Daddy protect me from the wind, and gives me a perfect safe space when i dont need to do anything for better life just voting the good candidate who gives me every social thing. This is Europe today and this is sucks, because this welfare state maked euros weakly cucks and these blacks, arabs, and other third worlders are not chiwawas like euros but trained predators with military experience and hard life. We have absolutely no chance against them in long way.

The only thing European countries need is with everything else staying the same, a stronger sense of capitalism, like that in the US or in East Asian countries. I am not saying that it's not strong in Europe, but it's becoming weaker. European bureaucracy is sluggish. It's fast only when shit hits the fan, like in the recent crisis. Stronger transition between paper and production, that is, stronger connections between universities (research papers), government funding and production. But in my opinion hoping that I am wrong it's too late for that because there is a lack of human resources. Most of European politicians are retards to be honest. Let's take quantum computers for example. As I mentioned some time ago incentives on the EU and national level lagged behind the US and China in that matter despite the fact that years ago the first experimental prototypes of next-generation quantum computer (post superconducting quantum computer) were made in labs of certain German scientists (those of someone like Rainer Blatt I forgot). There were and still are also numerous start-up companies all over the EU asking for funds to build quantum computer. What happens in the end? Years after Germany buys American commerical quantum computers. On both EU and national level entry is late.

[Tooting Carmen]

You forgot to reply the black predator words :coffee:

Because I wasn't interested in responding to that part.

[Cristiano viejo]

Basketball is better than soccer
Well, in that Spain also highlights. Currently Spain is the champion of the world and of Eurobasket :D

[HectorOfTroy]

, it also took longer to legalise homosexuality than in the majority of (at least Western) Europe, and its laws regarding prostitution, pornography and other consensual activities in most states even today are more punitive and censorious than in most of Europe, quite apart from the recent rise in anti-abortion fanaticism.
Good
Those are degenerate activities. Porn addiction is linked to erectile dysfunction, worse psychological/emotional health, divorce, and greater increase in developing perverted fetishes. That's why most huge porn addicts have screwed up fetishes like futa. Prostitution is nothing but the complete dehumaniztion and objectification of women, same as porn.

[Tooting Carmen]

Good
Those are degenerate activities. Porn addiction is linked to erectile dysfunction, worse psychological/emotional health, divorce, and greater increase in developing perverted fetishes. That's why most huge porn addicts have screwed up fetishes like futa. Prostitution is nothing but the complete dehumaniztion and objectification of women, same as porn.

As a sign of its individualism, the US divorce rate is even higher than many (though not all) European countries. The point is that the US may look more clean-living on paper, but in terms of any measurement of social decay it is as bad or worse than much of the rest.

[HectorOfTroy]

As a sign of its individualism, the US divorce rate is even higher than many (though not all) European countries. The point is that the US may look more clean-living on paper, but in terms of any measurement of social decay it is as bad or worse than much of the rest.

You forgot to include the how much the media promotes living like selfish sexually immoral degenerate in the music and commercials and how huge porn is in the US.

[Dragoon]

In Europe the Democrats would be a liberal centre-right party at most, which for some Americans it might seem "left-wing" because they are completely unaware of the reality outside of their bubble and live in a system that has always been bipartisan.

False. Thats something mostly liberals and leftists from Western and North Europe like to believe. Its they who also live in a bubble. They have never been in Italy, Central Europe, or East Europe and definitely have no clue on politics there.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

False. Thats something mostly liberals and leftists from Western and North Europe like to believe. Its they who also live in a bubble. They have never been in Italy, Central Europe, or East Europe and definetly have no clue on politics there.


I am not sure if that was a hint to me but I am not a leftist and I am only liberal when it comes to the economy. I have been to every place you mentioned and beyond, I would even bet that I am easily one of the most traveled members in the forum but it absolutely means zero as far as this issue is concerned. We are talking about political concepts and if one has some knowledge of the political landscape of Europe in the last hundred years, one will easily realize that the American parties traditionally advocate policies (particularly in the economy) without any kind of precedent in most European countries. It is a completely different reality, not even the Liberal parties in Europe are as liberal as the traditional American parties when it comes to the economy and they are traditionally associated with the right or centre-right in Europe.

Particularly your example of Italy was especially poor, it would be amusing to see the principles of a traditional American party being applied there, especially in the south where literally three million people receive some form of subsidies. The entire region would implode and likely call upon the newly implemented "despotic" and "tyrannical" social-economic measures and I am certain they wouldn't be seen as "left-wing" measures.

Also North Euros and Westerns Euros are way more likely to have been in Italy, Central Europe or Eastern Europe than the other way around, they are wealthier on average and able to travel abroad more often and therefore less likely to have never left their "bubble".

[Rædwald]

The next decade will be very interesting.

[zebruh]

Basketball is better than soccer[emoji106] true

[zebruh]

Well, in that Spain also highlights. Currently Spain is the champion of the world and of Eurobasket :DYeah but I bet you can't play basketball at all and is trash at it. So....

[capocannoniere]

Basketball is better than soccer

https://nitter.lacontrevoie.fr/pic/orig/media%2FFbxbq28WQAEHkRB.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Yeah but I bet you can't play basketball at all and is trash at it. So....

I am quite good at basket, football and specially chess, my favourite sport. As you are black your favourite sport is theft. Or was drug traffick? :):)

[zebruh]

I am quite good at basket, football and specially chess, my favourite sport. As you are black your favourite sport is theft. Or was drug traffick? :):)No...
You are trash.
I used to play basketball. I used to do basketball tricks and cross people all the time.
I used to cross people doing these basket all tricks

https://youtu.be/wEzFxD9ESwY
In a few days I will post a video doing tricks. You are garbage. I used to dribble both left and right. And 2 at the same time. Yes the cross over that hes on the ground, ive crossed people like that before. Its called the slip n slide. I played streetball but I also played friends who played league but I never had ambition to play league. I only enjoyed the sport itself and to do high level tricks in actual basketball games on people.
I used to practice dribbling religiously. Where I lived I was known for this in my years. And I was known by different nicknames. I practiced this very early during and 1. My first and1 mix tape was and1 mixtape volume 2. And when mix tape 3 came out it was a new level. This is when I started very religiously practicing. I would destroy you in person even if I havnt played in years. I would just need 1 week of practice to catch up and destroy you.

[Cristiano viejo]

No...
You are trash.
I used to play basketball. I used to do basketball tricks and cross people all the time.
Not sure what is more comical, if you claiming you are a descendant of Cristóbal Colón or you claiming you play in NBA :laugh2:

[zebruh]

Not sure what is more comical, if you claiming you are a descendant of Cristóbal Colón or you claiming you play in NBA :laugh2:Are you retarded? I clearly said I never had ambition to play league.
I would destroy you. You are 99 percent surely a bum who cant even dribble both handed under your leg or even 1 handed between your legs. I would destroy you very easily.


Also to add. The video is not NBA
It says and1. Smh

This is how I know you dont really know anything about basketball
And i dont even watch nba.
But you dont even know the difference between nba and And1

[Cristiano viejo]

Are you retarded? I clearly said I never had ambition to play league.
I would destroy you. You are 99 percent surely a bum who cant even dribble both handed under your leg or even 1 handed between your legs. I would destroy you very easily.


Also to add. The video is not NBA
It says and1. Smh

This is how I know you dont really know anything about basketball
And i dont even watch nba.
But you dont even know the difference between nba and And1

ok Jordan :laugh:

[zebruh]

ok Jordan [emoji23]I never said I dunked. I did lay ups and jumpshots but I was mostly known for dribbling. Where as you think you actually have skill. Post a video of yourself doing tricks or practicing.
I will on a few days.

If You ever come to NYC you can ask and I will visit you to embarass you in the court. I dont have the time to visit spain.

[luc2112]

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Is America the dumbest continent? why is so leftist if not?

Beware of European egocentrism (we are right and everyone else is wrong, or it's someone else's fault)

The epicenter of the left (to call it socialist would be a compliment, as it is not) is western Europe.

https://cms.evangelicalfocus.com/upload/imagenes/5fae5daa429f8_P043853-976734.jpg

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https://ogimg.infoglobo.com.br/in/25211457-030-7b2/FT1086A/95410123_Swedish-climate-activist-Greta-Thunberg-speaks-to-demonstrators-taking-part-in-a-Friday.jpg

In Latin America more than half is hopeful waiting for a Messiah "father of the poor", but traditionally they do not support US and Western Europe, but globalists will insist.
Trojan horse corrupt "communism" is also supported by Russia and China in Latam.

[zebruh]

2nd most revolutionary basketball player of all time

Lmao i remember practicing infront the mirror also when I didnt have a basketball being yelled at to stop dribbling with a beach ball.

Outkast so fresh so clean. Most favorite portion of the mixtape.


https://youtu.be/mWyZwYd7g5A

[B01AB20]

I am quite good at basket, football and specially chess, my favourite sport. :):)

:eek:

Pasmao me dejas.
I have the chess APP lichess in my phone but I only do 'exercices, what's the best move?', 4 or 5 moves on all phases of a game, but especially final.

[zebruh]

God dam I feel so much nastalgia watching these old and1 clips

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Well, in that Spain also highlights. Currently Spain is the champion of the world and of Eurobasket :D

I was thinking more the NBA. I'm not very familiar with Euro Basket :)

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Yeah but I bet you can't play basketball at all and is trash at it. So....

Now that's a real pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miu-7R5Dq8k

[Cristiano viejo]

:eek:

Pasmao me dejas.
¿Por qué?


I was thinking more the NBA. I'm not very familiar with Euro Basket :)
Basket is forbiden in Sweden it seems :D

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Basket is forbiden in Sweden it seems :D
No, it's just not very popular. Also, the NBA looks more pro.

[B01AB20]

¿Por qué?

Porque pensaba que para ti el ajedrez sería 'una mariconada'. Te tengo encasillado se ve, pero quizá el encasillado soy yo.

[Ranger0075]

It is going to be red definitely, just check how average zoomer aka netflix/tiktok watcher see world issues.

Unfortunately for new world right wingers politicians their own governments, in a bad lucky point of view, started to increase something before covid pandemics. So they got all economic crisis linked to them

China did a wonderful job as you can see. Now they have allies like everywhere.

[Cristiano viejo]

Porque pensaba que para ti el ajedrez sería 'una mariconada'. Te tengo encasillado se ve, pero quizá el encasillado soy yo.

No me conoces de nada pero me tenías encasillado xD

[Florin Radu]

...

[TheForeigner]

[QUOTE=Florin Radu;7602362]The British cockney class want to slander the Romanians in their press but we have far cleaner cities.

Do you even know what cockney means? They are working class Britons from London. They don't own newspapers!

[Florin Radu]

[QUOTE=Florin Radu;7602362]The British cockney class want to slander the Romanians in their press but we have far cleaner cities.

Do you even know what cockney means? They are working class Britons from London. They don't own newspapers!

meant for British thread

[Ruggery]

Well, in Argentina there are chances with Milei, he is libertarian but at least better than the socialists, in the US they still have time to react but other countries are screwed, the situation in Europe does not look much better, we will have to see how they progress.

[zebruh]

Now that's a real pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miu-7R5Dq8k I would kill you CV in the court. First time playing basketball at least once in 2 years. Last time regularly playing basketball was like 7 years ago.

[zebruh]

Now that's a real pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miu-7R5Dq8kI would kill you and CV in the court. First time touching a basketball at least once in 2 years. Last time regularly playing basketball was like 7 years ago. Last time more then 4 times in a month was also 7 years

Come to New York suckers. I would defeat you with 2 weeks of practice.
Normally i just need 1 week to recover but I work full time and do schooling now again.

https://youtu.be/QnNu8EH5ReI

Things I say are true. I know much of ancestors and CV doesn't. He is a bastard.
Im still better than CV will ever be in his whole life

[Cristiano viejo]

ç

Things I say are true. I know much of ancestors and CV doesn't. He is a bastard.
Im still better than CV will ever be in his whole life

A negro claiming he knows his ancestors :laugh2:

[zebruh]

A negro claiming he knows his ancestors :laugh2:Alot more then you.
You are a bastard who knows nothing.
I have paper trail and DNA evidence.

[Cristiano viejo]

Alot more then you.
hehe, you wish. It is a well known fact that descendant of slaves can not know their genealogy at all, who do you want to deceive, negro??



You are a bastard who knows nothing.
Stop inventing fairy tales, negrito :p


I have paper trail and DNA evidence.
Juas, paper trail and overall DNA evidence :lol:

So you did a DNA test and now you pretend you know who your ancestors were :bump2::bump2::bump2:

[Marshall Theodore]

sure, specially latin america

[Ruggery]

sure, specially latin america

And Canada.

[Roy]

A lot of logical fallacies are exhibited by the OP, colour me surprised, lol

[zebruh]

hehe, you wish. It is a well known fact that descendant of slaves can not know their genealogy at all, who do you want to deceive, negro??



Stop inventing fairy tales, negrito [emoji14]


Juas, paper trail and overall DNA evidence [emoji38]

So you did a DNA test and now you pretend you know who your ancestors were :bump2::bump2::bump2:

I have papar trail like I said for my ancestors I know, many up to the early 1700s. The colon de luyando and colon de torrrs trace back to diego ramos colon de luyando. Colon de torres line was named after his mother who was the daughter of a military person named garcia torres and the wife had a name ortiz de pena. Probably related the oidor of guatamala in the colonial era but my ortiz de pena stayed in puerto rico. I am also related to ortiz de pena through other lineages.

Most ancestors that were non white were pardos and already free by then.
I found one that was a slave and became freed then their child married a white spanish.
Another one from haiti was a free black woman who had a child with the son of a french military officer. This child then married a girrafe 1/4 white 3/4 black person and from mirabalais haiti migrated to san cristobal. Then forward my line ended up in bani which is right next to san cristobal. This line then married a de lara. Then next, My great grand mother had a family with my great grand father in cotui. From then my grandmother was born married my grand father (direct paternal) and moved to santo domingo.
My direct paternal grandfather is the son of Jose Dolores Coste Bueno.
Jose is the son of Jose Antonio Coste and maria del carmen bueno
Jose Antonio coste is the son of Jose Coste Rodriguez and Maria Alonzo
You are a bastard.
I quite easily have paper trail. Not of everyone but I definitely have more record than you do.



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[JamesBond007]

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The recent mid-term election results which many people predicted would be a “red wave” throughout the U.S. proved at best to be a red drizzle. It was not what many political conservatives wanted although, in fairness, the Democrats lost several seats in the House of Representatives where the GOP will have a slim majority.

Many have rightly wondered why there wasn’t a greater displacement of Democrat incumbents when Biden’s presidency has been such a dismal failure? What didn’t the American people see?

We are now facing a serious recession, and things don’t look like they’ll improve anytime soon. Crime in our major cities is at skyrocketing levels, and seemingly none of our elected leaders want to face the reality of Black criminality. Our southern border is daily overridden by illegals, and the current administration is simply processing and busing them to various cities throughout the country (landing many of them in the Whitest parts too!).

We are also engaged in a proxy war on behalf of Ukraine against Russia – a country that has largest nuclear stockpile in the world (approximately 4,300 compared to America’s 3,600 nuclear missiles). Why would any rational nation instigate conflict with another nation that not only has a larger nuclear arsenal, but which in the end could lead to the extinction of all human life? Despite Trump’s faults, none of this would have occurred under his presidency.

Yet apparently half the country refused to eject incumbent democrats who, along with President Biden, are largely the source of so many of our national problems. The republicans, of course, have their own set of troubles. But they are not bent on radicalizing the country as the democrats are.

How, then, could Americans not see what is so patently obvious?

I’ve tried to make sense of this, and I keep coming back to the hard truth that most Americans are still too wealthy, well-fed and comfortable. They have not yet felt the consequences of their voting decisions. Their voting thought process is very much theoretical and ideological. Little if any of it is down-to-earth, real-life, and practical. It’s nearly impossible for many Americans to think their vote will lead to destructive consequences that will directly affect them and the entire nation when they still have jobs, can still meet their mortgage demands, take their annual vacation, purchase a new car, plan for their retirement, and still have food on the table.

It’s easy to virtue signal when one is not required to sacrifice anything of themselves. It’s easy to support the violence that Black Lives Matter thugs and Antifa engage in when it’s not occurring in one’s own city. It’s easy to support progressive social policies when one is detached from its immediate consequences and has the wealth and resources to move somewhere else if necessary. It’s easy to support open borders policies when one is not directly impacted by illegal aliens and the sorts of problems they bring. Wealth, comfort, and the generally American good life can easily lull us into a false sense of security, a feeling that we are immune from the impact of our voting choices.

This is perhaps the greatest problem with accumulating wealth, materialism, and having abundance. It blinds us to reality. It clouds our vision from the truly important things in life. It’s not that possessing riches is a bad thing by itself, but only that it has negative intoxicating effects when we allow them to consume us.

This may partly explain why so many Americans failed to vote against Democrats in this most recent election. Their lives, apparently, had not been impacted by Biden’s buffoonery, poor decisions, and failed leadership. The Democrats took no responsibility for the economy, their handling of the Covid pandemic, nor for the burning and looting that occurred in the Summer of George which they spurred on as a means of ridding the nation of President Trump.

And that’s where the crux of the matter seems to be. When voters do not directly feel the effects of their poor voting habits, there is no reason to believe they will change them. Yet the substantial change in outlook that we envision for White Americans will likely not occur until massive numbers of our people have suffered great losses in terms of finances and overall comfort. The kind of lifestyle they’ve become accustomed to must be radically altered if we expect the greater majority to hear our message.

When their pensions are reduced or taken from them altogether, when they can no longer afford their mortgages, when they’re denied employment because they are seen as the “White oppressor class,” when everything they have worked for has been taken from them, when they feel a complete sense of despair – then and only then will their eyes start to open in ways we have envisioned.

Their noses must be rubbed in the feces of ‘diversity’ dogma, and most need to experience being robbed and beaten by a Black thug on a public transit bus before they will come to their racial senses.


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Whites will not come to our views en masse based on racial statistics. They will not do so no matter how much evidence we provide proving Jewish political power, influence and cultural subversion. No matter how much we expose Democrat corruption, they will not believe us. The deception is much too deep among White Americans, especially when one realizes that we have been daily propagandized to hate ourselves and our country for the past 70 years.

Take away their comforts, however, including their wealth, their sense of security, their personal safety – and then the pitchforks start to come out. But not until then. We are still much too comfortable. We still have too much food on our tables. We still have money (although even that is starting to diminish). We are still supportive of the very ‘system’ that hates us and seeks to replace us. We haven’t seen the ‘Beast’ for who and what it is.

Yet this is what it takes to awaken a people who have been daily demoralized since the end of World War II. This is what it takes to awaken Whites who have willingly allowed themselves to be duped by endless wealth and materialism. This is what it takes to open the eyes of White people who believe that Blacks and illegal aliens are “just like us.” This is what it takes to racially motivate Whites addicted to Black sports and mind-numbing entertainment.

Inconvenient facts either don’t matter or matter very little to a people who are so gullible as to believe that “all humans and cultures are equal.” These kinds only learn by being stomped on, by feeling the boot on their face – and even then, there are no guarantees.

Yet this is probably what needs to happen. Wealth and comfort won’t do it. Only the sobriety that poverty, denial of rights as Americans, “cultural enrichment” that come from Black beatdowns, the complete collapse of the American dollar, the loss or reduction of our 401k retirement plans, and the like. This will accomplish what no racial crime statistics or racial IQ data could ever do.

The German people did not come to their senses regarding the parasites among them until the end of World War I (e.g., the great ‘stab-in-the-back’). It was only after suffering poverty, great monetary loss, and starvation that the German people came to their senses. It was only after Germans were forced to beg, and to sell themselves and even their children as prostitutes that they started to awaken from their prior slumber. It was only after their currency became worthless that the German people began to see what they should have seen years earlier.


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I fear this is what must happen to White Americans if they are to change their current predicament. I do not wish it. I don’t want to see anyone suffer. But it seems inevitable since nothing else has awakened them. And it will be all the more difficult because of the massive numbers of non-Whites imported in recent decades.

So, as much as I was disappointed by the mid-term elections, I realized that not enough White people throughout the nation have suffered in the ways I have expressed in this article. When this occurs, the scales over their eyes that currently cloud their vision will fall off (at least for most).

This is because most White liberal Democrats and racially naïve Republicans still possess a sense of personal survival. Granted, many of them do not, and they will fall by the wayside. But most do. The problem is that this inherent sense of survival has not yet been fully tested.

But that day is rapidly approaching.

All the virtue signaling, Black worship, and Jew obeisance will largely end when White Americans have real issues to be concerned about – namely, where their next meal is going to come from, how to pay their costly mortgages, how to secure employment, affordable health care, and not being robbed my marauding Black criminals in their cities.

There is, however, still some good news that came out of the mid-term elections – namely, the continuance of government gridlock which would largely prevent Democrats from accomplishing all they want. Greg Johnson at the ‘Counter Currents’ website explains:


“The wrong kind of red wave would actually be bad for whites. Under Joe Biden, millions of whites have been radicalized. They now recognize that the Left is an implacable enemy committed to the degradation, dispossession, and ultimate destruction of white America. But they do not fully see what a weak and traitorous opposition the Republicans are. Thus, a red wave would make these people feel safe again. It would lull them back to sleep. This would allow the Great Replacement to continue unabated, but under Republican leadership. But the failure of the red wave and the continuation of partisan gridlock will keep these white voters angry, agitated, and receptive to our message. That’s the best possible outcome for White Nationalists” (“Why White Nationalists Don’t Want a Red Wave,” Nov. 11, 2022).

If the Democrats continue their campaign to destroy America by crashing its economy, by ignoring or excusing soaring crime rates, by promoting the most deviant and soul-destroying social trends, and by seeing “white supremacy” as their greatest threat, then it’s possible they will make life for all of us so unbearable that a republican presidency is practically guaranteed.

The only question is: Will White Americans learn anything from it?


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https://www.unz.com/article/the-change-we-need-will-not-occur-until-we-have-nothing-left-to-lose/

[TheForeigner]

Isn't Ron Unz a Jewish businessman? How come his website publishes stuff that is so radical and anti-Jewish too? I have no problem with the message of the above article, but I am not optimistic about White Americans ever waking up. Actually I don't like how the article suggests Hitler and Nazis were a good thing for Germany. They were in fact one of the worst things that ever happened to Germany, Europe and the whole Western world.

[JamesBond007]

Isn't Ron Unz a Jewish businessman? How come his website publishes stuff that is so radical and anti-Jewish too? I have no problem with the message of the above article, but I am not optimistic about White Americans ever waking up. Actually I don't like how the article suggests Hitler and Nazis were a good thing for Germany. They were in fact one of the worst things that ever happened to Germany, Europe and the whole Western world.


On Ron there are four possible reasons :

1.) The website is a honeypot (that possibility is the reason I don't post comments there)

2.) The Jews like to hedge their bets so they a toe or two, if not a whole foot, in the door, supporting right wing commentary

3.)Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group.
The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world...
the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity...
--- Albert Einstein, quoted in Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938

4.) He is dedicated to the truth no matter whose ox gets gored in the process

I don't think the stuff on his website is radical because I am not brainwashed by the largely Jewish owned media and I am not a millenial :

The particular political belief system Millennials were programmed with has an “auto-immune” type of virus in it that prevents them from acknowledging their past mistakes and salvaging what they can of their future. Core to this is victimhood politics which is prevalent throughout most left-flavored political ideologies. So if you’re a victim and everything is out of your control and you are completely helpless to stop it, then…



It’s not your fault you majored in “Translesbian Greek Sculpture Diversity Studies.”
It’s not your fault you spent $200,000 attending an overpriced liberal arts college.
It’s not your fault you didn’t learn to code or do well at math.
It’s not your fault you spent your student loans on an expensive flat.
it’s not your fault you had 4 illegitimate children.



It’s the (fill in the blank)_________________.



a) White people’s fault

b) Male’s/patriarchy’s fault

c) My parents’ fault

d) The Corporation’s

e) CIS Gendered people’s fault

f) Republican’s fault

g) Reagan, Bush, GW, Trump’s fault

h) Christian’s fault

i) Capitalist’s fault

j) The Russians

k) Aliens

l) Roving Bands of Monkeys Named “Steve’s” fault

m) Whoever your professor and teachers told you it was fault



Criticisms of leftist politics aside, this is the real damage being caused by the victimhood/AIDS like aspect of Millennial politics. The Millennial political religion is programmed completely and entirely around protecting their ego, abdicating them of responsibility, and protecting their feelings, thus making them immune to any constructive criticism. This in turn prevents them from ever identifying their problems, solving them, turning their lives around, and actually attaining success and happiness in what remains of their life. Thus, while their Millennial politics are indeed sweet-tasting lies, these lies damn them to a life of failure, financial strife, and misery.

Also, about the reference to Germany it is because modern America resembles Weimar Republic Germany since history doesn't repeat but often rhymes you are missing the point.