Was Rita Hayworth of Spanish Romani / Gitano descendt?

[Mortimer]

I heard that before, but then I saw others, like Spaniards but also Americans saying that is nonsense and she was Spanish. So Im not sure anymore what to believe, If it is really true it is cool.

https://i.ibb.co/X2r7d85/Rita-Hayworth.jpg (https://ibb.co/98kbft4)

[Mortimer]

https://i.ibb.co/SP2DyLs/Rita-Hayworth-Father.jpg (https://ibb.co/G0Xfphx)

[gixajo]

It could be that they were, but I think that the Cansino family did not have any gypsy ancestry, it could be an American thing that directly relates Flamenco and Andalusian origins with gypsies.

That family had run a bakery in their hometown for generations, if they dedicated themselves to dance professionally was a casual thing. In fact there are those who attribute the Cansino of that village of the province of Seville with Sephardic Jews, but not with gypsies.

[Mortimer]

It could be that they were, but I think that the Cansino family did not have any gypsy ancestry, it could be an American thing that directly relates Flamenco and Andalusian origins with gypsies.

That family had run a bakery in their hometown for generations, if they dedicated themselves to dance professionally was a casual thing. In fact there are those who attribute the Cansino of that village of the province of Seville with Sephardic Jews.

I saw Spaniards denying the Romani origin. Why would Romani not run a bakery? Or some of them.

[Mortimer]

It could be that they were, but I think that the Cansino family did not have any gypsy ancestry, it could be an American thing that directly relates Flamenco and Andalusian origins with gypsies.

That family had run a bakery in their hometown for generations, if they dedicated themselves to dance professionally was a casual thing. In fact there are those who attribute the Cansino of that village of the province of Seville with Sephardic Jews, but not with gypsies.

Cristiano Viejo claimed that Penelope Cruz is half Gypsy Spaniard. Do you think that is true? Another great Hollywood actress of Spanish Gypsy origin if it is true. Ritas mum was Irish, so her red hair, but her father looked dark.

[Mortimer]

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[Gallop]

Cristiano Viejo claimed that Penelope Cruz is half Gypsy Spaniard. Do you think that is true? Another great Hollywood actress of Spanish Gypsy origin if it is true. Ritas mum was Irish, so her red hair, but her father looked dark.

You got confused, a grandfather of Penelope Cruz was a gypsy is not the same as saying that Penelope is half gypsy. The Valencian Inma Cuesta also has gypsy ancestry, I do not remember now exactly from which member.


About Rita not having gypsy ancestry, something was said about some Sephardic ancestry, which also seems to me quite strange since it is not often that someone can remember something like that and that it can be proven documentarily would be a difficult task in Spain for historical reasons added to the subsequent destruction of the archives during the preambles of the Spanish Civil War.

[Gallop]

I saw Spaniards denying the Romani origin. Why would Romani not run a bakery? Or some of them.

The gypsies were very persecuted, if mixed marriages must have occurred exceptionally, but for the gypsies in Andalusia or the rest of Spain it would have been very difficult for them to lead a normal life and to have a bakery, the way of selling that they had was itinerant.

Flamenco dancing is only mastered by 2% of the population and is shared by gypsies and non-gypsies and either expert can perfectly distinguish if the singer is gypsy or not by the style, apparently there are differences and the gypsy way of singing can only be done by gypsies and vice versa.

[gixajo]

I saw Spaniards denying the Romani origin. Why would Romani not run a bakery? Or some of them.

Yeah, Spaniards, Romanians, Serbians, Hungarians, it´s a fact that being gypsy is something that in all these countries is badly considered, not just in Spain.

They could have some gypsy ancestor or gypsy descent and not know it or hide it, that is always possible, but I think it is not the case.

As no DNA analysis was done, it is difficult to know, and the fact that they are Andalusian and flamenco dancers certainly does not imply that they have gypsy blood.

The fact that this family ran a bakery in a small town seems to me to be a good indication that they were not gypsies. Where I live in those times it would be very strange, in a town in Seville I don't know if it would be the same.

[Gallop]

In fact in Spain if any artist has or discovers that he has any gypsy ancestor he will immediately publish it because it is an added value in art, at least in Spain, so no Spanish artist with any gypsy ancestor would hide it but on the contrary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYuGDWVVMiA

5:22 Maria, are you a gypsy?

Here Jesús Quintero asks María Jiménez if she is a gypsy and she answers that her paternal grandfather was a gypsy and that she learned about it as an adult because her father had hidden it from her all her life due to family disagreements. She also says that when she sang in a local the gypsies told her that she was gypsy that the non-gypsies do not sing this way and she answered them that she was not gypsy, after many years she found out that her grandfather was gypsy, but other gypsy singers already knew it by technical questions of her at the time of singing.

When asked, she could have hidden it, but she didn't because she knows that in the artistic world it adds up.

[Grace O'Malley]

Cristiano Viejo claimed that Penelope Cruz is half Gypsy Spaniard. Do you think that is true? Another great Hollywood actress of Spanish Gypsy origin if it is true. Ritas mum was Irish, so her red hair, but her father looked dark.

Her father was Andalusian and her mother was approx half Irish, also with smaller amounts of English, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Czech, Dutch, and German. Rita was a natural brunette and dyed her hair red. The Celebrity Ethnicity site could not find any evidence of Romani ancestry. Her father was also said to have some Sephardic Jewish ancestry which while possible has not been verified so only the Spanish ancestry is verified for her father.

[gixajo]

In fact in Spain if any artist has or discovers that he has any gypsy ancestor he will immediately publish it because it is an added value in art, at least in Spain, so no Spanish artist with any gypsy ancestor would hide it but on the contrary.

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That is quite true, the world of music and dance is one of the few areas in which being or having gypsy blood is something considered positive, since always.

Moreover, there could even be cases in which self-proclaimed gypsy in these areas would bring prestige to a person.

[Mortimer]

Yeah, Spaniards, Romanians, Serbians, Hungarians, it´s a fact that being gypsy is something that in all these countries is badly considered, not just in Spain.

They could have some gypsy ancestor or gypsy descent and not know it or hide it, that is always possible, but I think it is not the case.

As no DNA analysis was done, it is difficult to know, and the fact that they are Andalusian and flamenco dancers certainly does not imply that they have gypsy blood.

The fact that this family ran a bakery in a small town seems to me to be a good indication that they were not gypsies. Where I live in those times it would be very strange, in a town in Seville I don't know if it would be the same.

Why the Wikipedia article claims he was of Romani origin certainly he must be a well documented person I do not think they would just claim it

[Grace O'Malley]

Why the Wikipedia article claims he was of Romani origin certainly he must be a well documented person I do not think they would just claim it

Wikipedia is not reliable. Anyone can add on there and I've found wrong information numerous times. I have added correct information there myself. Celebrity Ethnicity is more accurate and does try to check actual records.

[Mortimer]

Her father was Andalusian and her mother was approx half Irish, also with smaller amounts of English, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Czech, Dutch, and German. Rita was a natural brunette and dyed her hair red. The Celebrity Ethnicity site could not find any evidence of Romani ancestry. Her father was also said to have some Sephardic Jewish ancestry which while possible has not been verified so only the Spanish ancestry is verified for her father.

If i posted someone like her father and he is not famous they would say he is a Gypsy. But i guess we can not know by look he could be sephardi too. They should carry out a DNA test I do not why Wikipedia would claim he is roma if he is not

[gixajo]

Why the Wikipedia article claims he was of Romani origin certainly he must be a well documented person I do not think they would just claim it

I don´t know why they say that, but it could be related to what we are discussing, a way of selling abroad, adding an exotic touch to their ancestry, a way of appropriating the prestige that gypsies have in the world of dance and music, or simply an American thing of always relating Andalusian and flamenco with gypsies.

In the Spanish wikipedia I have not read anything about possible gypsy ancestry, however they do comment on a supposed Jewish ancestry, at least related to the last name Cansino, since even if it is true after 500 years of mixing, I do not know if there would be some genetically Jewish left.

wikipedia is not the best of sources, you know?

[Mortimer]

Wikipedia is not reliable. Anyone can add on there and I've found wrong information numerous times. I have added correct information there myself. Celebrity Ethnicity is more accurate and does try to check actual records.

If you put there wrong information without any actual sources they would delete it Wikipedia is moderated certainly there must be a source for it what does ethnicelebs say I did not read it?

[Mortimer]

I don´t know why they say that, but it could be related to what we are discussing, a way of selling abroad, adding an exotic touch to their ancestry, a way of appropriating the prestige that gypsies have in the world of dance and music, or simply an American thing of always relating Andalusian and flamenco with gypsies.

In the Spanish wikipedia I have not read anything about possible gypsy ancestry, however they do comment on a supposed Jewish ancestry, at least related to the last name Cansino, since even if it is true after 500 years of mixing, I do not know if there would be some genetically Jewish left.

wikipedia is not the best of sources, you know?

He looks not White to me though and spanish will try to deny roma ancestries and claim her just like croats claim tesla it is easy to deny any roma ancestries in assimilated mixed people and even if they say themselfes they are gypsies people will claim they do it for Prestige

[Grace O'Malley]

If i posted someone like her father and he is not famous they would say he is a Gypsy. But i guess we can not know by look he could be sephardi too. They should carry out a DNA test I do not why Wikipedia would claim he is roma if he is not

What people say on here is just their opinions. Unless it can be verified by records then it is just speculation and not fact. How many actors come out and say they have something unusual in their background and then when it is checked it is not true. A good example is all the Americans claiming non-existent Native American.

You can look at the links on Wiki. Some of the links are just information copied from somewhere and it hasn't been verified. Celebrity Ethnicity at least looks up birth and census records. Wiki is not always accurate.

[Mortimer]

What people say on here is just their opinions. Unless it can be verified by records then it is just speculation and not fact. How many actors come out and say they have something unusual in their background and then when it is checked it is not true. A good example is all the Americans claiming non-existent Native American.

I think that if you are colonial it is highly likely you do have native ancestries but it is different if someone with 1 percent native and looks like prince harry claims to be full blooded native to me ritas father does not look white but as if he can be fully gitano nothing unusual

[Grace O'Malley]

I think that if you are colonial it is highly likely you do have native ancestries but it is different if someone with 1 percent native and looks like prince harry claims to be full blooded native to me ritas father does not look white but as if he can be fully gitano nothing unusual

Not all colonials mixed with NAs so no it doesn't mean you have NA. Most didn't mix with NAs. It very odd how dna tests and also records don't support this Native American ancestry. Rita's father is quite within the range for a Spanish person but records don't appear to have any mention of his Romany ancestry.

This is some of the information on Rita's paternal side from Celebrity Ethnicity.


Rita’s patrilineal ancestry can be traced back to her sixth great-grandfather, Juan Cansino [Pérez], who was likely from Carmona, Seville.

Rita’s paternal grandfather was Juan Antonio Anselmo de los Dolores Cansino Avecilla (the son of Joaquín Cansino Espinal and María del Rosario Avecilla Ojeda). Joaquín was the son of Vicente Cansino Hoyos and Clara Espinal. María del Rosario was the daughter of Miguel Avecilla and Bárbara Ojeda.

Rita’s paternal grandmother was Carmen Reina Montero (the daughter of José Reina Sánchez and Reyes Montero Espinal). José was the son of José Reina Calderón and Juana Sánchez. Rita’s great-great-grandfather José’s maternal great-grandfather, Cristóbal Elías Calderón Barrionuevo y de Orbaneja, was a Knight of the Order of Santiago. Reyes was the daughter of Antonio Montero and Dolores Espinal.


https://ethnicelebs.com/rita-hayworth

I'll give you an example of Wikipedia having the incorrect ethnicity information for someone.

Carroll Baker.

It says Baker is of Irish and Polish descent. She has no Polish ancestry whatsoever.


Baker was born and raised in Johnstown, Pennsylvania into a Catholic family, the daughter of Edith Gertrude (née Duffy) and William Watson Baker, a traveling salesman.[5] Baker is of Irish and Polish descent,[6] which has given rise to a rumor that her birth name was Karolina Piekarski,[a] though this currently cannot be substantiated by known records.[b] Her parents separated when she was eight years old, and she moved with her mother and younger sister, Virginia, to Turtle Creek, Pennsylvania.[8]

Even though her father is named Baker which is verified by records. Her actual ancestry is Irish, English, some German.

[Mortimer]

Not all colonials mixed with NAs so no it doesn't mean you have NA. Most didn't mix with NAs. It very odd how dna tests and also records don't support this Native American ancestry. Rita's father is quite within the range for a Spanish person but records don't appear to have any mention of his Romany ancestry.

This is some of the information on Rita's paternal side from Celebrity Ethnicity.



https://ethnicelebs.com/rita-hayworth

I see a few names nothing else I do not know if he ever mentioned himself to be Romani? Maybe he did how should we know by some names if there is any Romani ancestries I know a guy Robert Smith who is Englisch Romani and if we read robert Smith how should we know he is Romani or not that this appears must have a reason even if it is only a rumour dna tests dont show distant ancestries from colonial times but im sure that most americans did not made it up like richmondbread he has it well documented

[Grace O'Malley]

I see a few names nothing else I do not know if he ever mentioned himself to be Romani? Maybe he did how should we know by some names if there is any Romani ancestries I know a guy Robert Smith who is Englisch Romani and if we read robert Smith how should we know he is Romani or not that this appears must have a reason even if it is only a rumour dna tests dont show distant ancestries from colonial times but im sure that most americans did not made it up like richmondbread he has it well documented

We are going around in circles and I don't want to get into RichmondBread's personal circumstances. People can speculate but if it isn't verified then it can't be substantiated. What is strange with a lot of Americans is that SSA shows up in small amounts but NA is usually absent. French Canadians are much more likely to have Native American. Of course some Americans do but there are far more that claim it and it doesn't show up on their tests. They should test their parents and see if it shows up there.

[mitalit]

She is 0% gypsy. But the Sephardic Jew thing is true
Her grandpa Antonio Casino was the son of the famous horse breeder, descendant of Sefardí Jews and related to the father of the great Sevillian writer Rafael Cansino Assens (famous hebraist).

[gixajo]

He looks not White to me though and spanish will try to deny roma ancestries and claim her just like croats claim tesla it is easy to deny any roma ancestries in assimilated mixed people and even if they say themselfes they are gypsies people will claim they do it for Prestige

Her Spanish father was a relatively dark Spaniard? Yes. Was her father partially gypsy? We do not know.

The fact that he is dark, Spanish, Andalusian and dedicates himself to Flamenco does not mean that he is or has gypsy blood, but it could be that.

It does not seem to me that there are enough information to affirm it.

Maybe CV would say directly that the father is gypsy just because is a dark Spanish, I cannot affirming such a thing nor the opposite, but if I had to lean towards an option I would say that he was not.

If you want to include Rita Hayworth within your ethnicity, go for it. For my part I can only affirm that his father was Spanish.

[TheForeigner]

She was American from Brooklyn, New York. Her American mother was of Irish and English descent. Wikipedia says her Spanish father was really a Gypsy, but I know it use to say he was a regular Spaniard. I wonder if their sources are trustworthy.

[mitalit]

Her Spanish father was a relatively dark Spaniard? Yes. Was her father partially gypsy? We do not know.

The fact that he is dark, Spanish, Andalusian and dedicates himself to Flamenco does not mean that he is or has gypsy blood, but it could be that.

It does not seem to me that there are enough information to affirm it.

Maybe CV would say directly that the father is gypsy just because is a dark Spanish, I cannot affirming such a thing nor the opposite, but if I had to lean towards an option I would say that he was not.

If you want to include Rita Hayworth within your ethnicity, go for it. For my part I can only affirm that his father was Spanish.

There is no source that says she has gypsy blood. Can she have gypsy blood? Yes, in the same way that she can have italian or greenlandic blood. But it is flipping a coin.

[Gallop]

Of course Rita's father was white as we Andalusians are: Spaniards and European. :)

[TheForeigner]

Months ago British press claimed they have a letter from Charlie Chaplin that proved he was a Gypsy born in a Gypsy camp. Now wikipedia only claims he had one Gypsy grandmother. They used to claim that even Michael Caine has Gypsy ancestry, but they don't anymore. Wikipedia is edited by users and all sorts of false information with dubious sources are posted there and the British press is also notorious for publishing outright falsehoods. I guess there are people and not just Gypsies, who want to claim various noteworthy personalities for this people that has so little to show for itself.

[Mortimer]

Months ago British press claimed they have a letter from Charlie Chaplin that proved he was a Gypsy born in a Gypsy camp. Now wikipedia only claims he had one Gypsy grandmother. They used to claim that even Michael Caine has Gypsy ancestry, but they don't anymore. Wikipedia is edited by users and all sorts of false information with dubious sources are posted there and the British press is also notorious for publishing outright falsehoods. I guess there are people and not just Gypsies, who want to claim various noteworthy personalities for this people that has so little to show for itself.

It does make sense though that several personalities were gypsies or part gypsies because gypsies lived long in europe and likely sometimes mixed and assimilated it is not far fetched to have Gypsy ancestries it is far fetched to be a dark romanian like many are and be zero Gypsy Stefan razvan ruler of wallachia was half Gypsy too is that true? And the british press always claimed Chaplin was part Gypsy or that his parents were half gypsies and Google his younger Pictures without the Hollywood make up

[TheForeigner]

It does make sense though that several personalities were gypsies or part gypsies because gypsies lived long in europe and likely sometimes mixed and assimilated it is not far fetched to have Gypsy ancestries it is far fetched to be a dark romanian like many are and be zero Gypsy Stefan razvan ruler of wallachia was half Gypsy too is that true? And the british press always claimed Chaplin was part Gypsy or that his parents were half gypsies and Google his younger Pictures without the Hollywood make up

Stefan Razvan was prince and ruler of Moldavia for a few months in 1595. Yes, his father was Muslim Gypsy and mother was Moldavian/Romanian. Presumably he was baptized or converted later to Orthodox Christianity. Don't know much about him, except that he was a soldier and mercenary before taking the throne. I agree that many really dark Romanians who claim to not have Gypsy ancestry, are hiding something. I don't think the British press knows well the ancestry of Charlie Chaplin and they make up stuff. What about Cary Grant? He was a bit dark and tanned and thought he might be Jewish, but never had any proof of it.

[Cristiano viejo]

Her father was Andalusian and her mother was approx half Irish, also with smaller amounts of English, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Czech, Dutch, and German. Rita was a natural brunette and dyed her hair red. The Celebrity Ethnicity site could not find any evidence of Romani ancestry. Her father was also said to have some Sephardic Jewish ancestry which while possible has not been verified so only the Spanish ancestry is verified for her father.
Point by point.

Never heard about her father was a Gypsy but Jewish but I start to doubt they really were Jews since as some users point it is very rare that in Spain in the century xx, almost 500 years later of their expulsion, someone self-name Jewish.

The father looked normal for a Spaniard, for sure not like a Gypsy at all
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXaI3ouR3_BqL3In2Ce9fY4RvbwQ6T-kFRyQ-D-zoDvve6oDHHdf5OS3C9CmQ8fstCcxo&usqp=CAU

[Mortimer]

Stefan Razvan was prince and ruler of Moldavia for a few months in 1595. Yes, his father was Muslim Gypsy and mother was Moldavian/Romanian. I agree that many really dark Romanians who claim to not have Gypsy ancestry, are hiding something. I don't think the British press knows well the ancestry of Charlie Chaplin and they make up stuff. What about Cary Grant? He was a bit dark and tanned and thought he might be Jewish, but never had any proof of it.

The british press probably does not know it but is his grandchildren who said that because of his letters maybe they are making that up maybe Chaplin did not know himself but the press is only reporting it

[Mortimer]

Point by point.

Never heard about her father was a Gypsy but Jewish but I start to doubt they really were Jews since as some users point it is very rare that in Spain in the century xx, almost 500 years later of their expulsion, someone self-name Jewish.

The father looked normal for a Spaniard, for sure not like a Gypsy at all
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXaI3ouR3_BqL3In2Ce9fY4RvbwQ6T-kFRyQ-D-zoDvve6oDHHdf5OS3C9CmQ8fstCcxo&usqp=CAU

In the pictures i posted he does in the pictures you posted he is older and people tend to look more ambigous with age and i know a gitano who resembles him he is my Facebook friend

[Mortimer]

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[gixajo]

It does make sense though that several personalities were gypsies or part gypsies because gypsies lived long in europe and likely sometimes mixed and assimilated it is not far fetched to have Gypsy ancestries it is far fetched to be a dark romanian like many are and be zero Gypsy Stefan razvan ruler of wallachia was half Gypsy too is that true? And the british press always claimed Chaplin was part Gypsy or that his parents were half gypsies and Google his younger Pictures without the Hollywood make up

I know some Romanians incredibly dark that deny any gypsy ancestry.

The reality is that they have a completely normal life, both he and she work and the son is studying for a degree, but even other Romanians that lived here doubted that they were not.

They are a very nice couple, their son has been a friend of a relative of mine since he was a child.

[Mortimer]

I know some Romanians incredibly dark that deny any gypsy ancestry.

The reality is that they have a completely normal life, both he and she work and the son is studying for a degree, but even other Romanians that lived here doubted that they were not.

They are a very nice couple, their son has been a friend of a relative of mine since he was a child.

Yes and if you are half or quarter or just not extremely dark it is easy to denie it or for others to doubt it or denie it not all people with a degree of gypsies ancestries are dark

[Mortimer]

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[Cristiano viejo]

In the pictures i posted he does in the pictures you posted he is older and people tend to look more ambigous with age
More in my favour.

I have seen obviously more pictures of him and he looks everything, Martian even... but not Gypsy, sorry.

He just was ugly, that does not make him Gypsy or less Spanish-looking
https://biografiasehistoria.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/unnamed-1-2.jpg

https://sqsmaravillosa.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/hayworth_rita_3.jpg

https://images11.eitb.eus/multimedia/images/2018/10/16/2345581/20181016123453_rita-hayworth-su-padre-eduardo-cansino_amp_w1200.jpg

https://www.abc.es/xlsemanal/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/06/rita-hayworth-vida-gilda-actores-de-hollywood-4-get.jpg

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and i know a gitano who resembles him he is my Facebook friend
Nice.

[Mortimer]

More in my favour.

I have seen obviously more pictures of him and he looks everything, Martian even... but not Gypsy, sorry.

He just was ugly, that does not make him Gypsy or less Spanish-looking
https://biografiasehistoria.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/unnamed-1-2.jpg

https://sqsmaravillosa.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/hayworth_rita_3.jpg

https://images11.eitb.eus/multimedia/images/2018/10/16/2345581/20181016123453_rita-hayworth-su-padre-eduardo-cansino_amp_w1200.jpg

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Nice.

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[Cristiano viejo]

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[Mortimer]

He also resembles Italien Adriano Celentano though but that guy also looks Gypsy I do not know if he is

[Cristiano viejo]

He also resembles Italien Adriano Celentano though but that guy also looks Gypsy I do not know if he is

No idea who is that espagueti but the father of Rita Hayworth did not look Gypsy at all, assume it.

[gixajo]

Yes and if you are half or quarter or just not extremely dark it is easy to denie it or for others to doubt it or denie it not all people with a degree of gypsies ancestries are dark

Actually I don´t care about if they are gypsies or not, all of them are nice people.

If someone resembles something, whether he deny it or not, many will suspect that it is regardless of whether it is or not.

And if someone is actually something but he doesn't look like it, few will suspect anything if he decides to hide it.

That is so and it applies to any topic, but it does not help at all to determine if Rita Hayworth really has gypsy ancestry.

[Gallop]

In Andalusia it has never been said that Rita's father is a gypsy, not even a rumor and there is a lot of documentation and many researchers, documentaries have also been broadcast on Canal Sur and if anything had been known there would have been no problem in publishing it and if it has not been done it is because nothing has been found about it.

[lei.talk]

Carroll Baker.


Baker was born and raised in Johnstown, Pennsylvania into a Catholic family, the daughter of Edith Gertrude (née Duffy) and William Watson Baker, a traveling salesman.[5] Baker is of Irish and Polish descent,[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Baker#cite_note-6) which has given rise to a rumor that her birth name was Karolina Piekarski,[a] though this currently cannot be substantiated by known records.[b] Her parents separated when she was eight years old, and she moved with her mother and younger sister, Virginia, to Turtle Creek, Pennsylvania.[8]

It says Baker is of Irish and Polish descent. She has no Polish ancestry whatsoever.[citation needed] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability)
at the end of the sentence
describing her father's ancestry

is a numeral that references the source of the statement.

clicking on that numeral reveals:

Pula, James S. (2011). The Polish American Encyclopedia.
McFarland. p. 23. ISBN 978-0-786-43308-7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-786-43308-7)


clicking on the international standard book number
leads to many sources for that book.

the number of the page
substantiating the statement is in the reference.

exceeding that degree of reliability
would be challenging.