Classify Pretty Loud First Roma Girl Pop Group

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They are the first Roma Girl Pop Group and they are from Serbia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ezaPqeWwQ

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Indo-Europeans: too Indian to be European, too European to be Indian

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Indo-Europeans: too Indian to be European, too European to be Indian

Sidenote: They have too a huge westasian contribution, not only indian and european, that is why they are a unique ethnic group, you verbally genocide them because you call them indo-europeans, you call them punjabi sikhs, sometimes occassionally if they are more european as "europeans" but you never call them what they are, roma, a race, a ethncity. Even Punjabi Sikhs want a own state in India, and to protect their unique identity, not all indians are pan-indians, so why would roma be only or "just indians"?

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Sidenote: They have too a huge westasian contribution, not only indian and european, that is why they are a unique ethnic group, you verbally genocide them because you call them indo-europeans, you call them punjabi sikhs, sometimes occassionally if they are more european as "europeans" but you never call them what they are, roma, a race, a ethncity. Even Punjabi Sikhs want a own state in India, and to protect their unique identity, not all indians are pan-indians, so why would roma be only or "just indians"?

That was determined through?... "Genetic match" pseudoscience! If Gypsies in Europe have more West Asian than Indian:
- how come west asian phenotypes are even LESS present than in their area of origin (NW India)
- how come Romani language is almost entirely an Euro-Indian creole (NW Indian core hugely influenced by SE European languages: Greek above all) with little to no Iranic, Aramaic, Arabic, Turkic vocabulary influences
- it took about 200 years for them to wander from NW India to Byzantine empire then 700 years in Europe

To quote wikipedia:


After leaving the Indian subcontinent, Romani was heavily affected by contact with European languages.[26] The most significant of these was Medieval Greek, which contributed lexically, phonemically, and grammatically to Early Romani (10th–13th centuries).[26] This includes inflectional affixes for nouns, and verbs that are still productive with borrowed vocabulary, the shift to VO word order, and the adoption of a preposed definite article.

Why do Gypsies score absurdly high "Middle Eastern genetic" markers? Very small founder population liable to be affected by genetic drift over time: it just happened that a few of original founders had middle eastern markers and their legacy was maxed out.

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That was determined through?... "Genetic match" pseudoscience! If Gypsies in Europe have more West Asian than Indian:
- how come west asian phenotypes are even LESS present than in their area of origin (NW India)
- how come Romani language is almost entirely an Euro-Indian creole (NW Indian core hugely influenced by SE European languages: Greek above all) with little to no Iranic, Aramaic, Arabic, Turkic vocabulary influences
- it took about 200 years for them to wander from NW India to Byzantine empire then 700 years in Europe

To quote wikipedia:



Why do Gypsies score absurdly high "Middle Eastern genetic" markers? Very small founder population liable to be affected by genetic drift over time: it just happened that a few of original founders had middle eastern markers and their legacy was maxed out.

I think you are wrong about the language thing I think they do have iranic and middle eastern influences in their language that is what i read before as for phenotype that is highly biased by perception of yourself or the viewer nor do you know or take into account really all gypsies and the whole spectrum of diversity it makes logical sense that their journey from india to europe is also encoded in their dna and i think you are wrong about them being two hundred years in the middle east only when there are still turkish iranian syrian gypsies too

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There is no historical proof to clarify who the ancestors of the Romani were or what motivated them to emigrate from the Indian subcontinent, but there are various theories. The influence of Greek, and to a lesser extent of Armenian and the Iranian languages (like Persian) points to a prolonged stay in Anatolia, Armenian highlands/Caucasus after the departure from South Asia. The latest territory where Romani is thought to have been spoken as a mostly unitary linguistic variety is the Byzantine Empire, between the 10th and the 13th centuries. The language of this period, which can be reconstructed on the basis of modern-day dialects, is referred to as Early Romani or Late Proto-Romani.[33][34]

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That was determined through?... "Genetic match" pseudoscience! If Gypsies in Europe have more West Asian than Indian:
- how come west asian phenotypes are even LESS present than in their area of origin (NW India)
- how come Romani language is almost entirely an Euro-Indian creole (NW Indian core hugely influenced by SE European languages: Greek above all) with little to no Iranic, Aramaic, Arabic, Turkic vocabulary influences
- it took about 200 years for them to wander from NW India to Byzantine empire then 700 years in Europe

To quote wikipedia:



Why do Gypsies score absurdly high "Middle Eastern genetic" markers? Very small founder population liable to be affected by genetic drift over time: it just happened that a few of original founders had middle eastern markers and their legacy was maxed out.
This is vahaduo k13

Target: Roma_Balkans
Distance: 67.9954% / 0.67995427 | R3P
45.6 Greek_North
39.8 Dharkar
14.6 Lebanese_Christian

I don't know how many samples that is based on, there are also individual differences and outliers.

Why would DNA tests be pseudo science? These calculators are very accurate actually. If a random person from Hungary does a DNA test why does he end up scoring similar to other Hungarians? They do not create those results based on geography, Kiel (forum member from Hungary) is mostly German by ancestry and dna test shows he's genetically mostly German. I also scored more or less like how I expected. If those tests were fake you'd have random ethnic Hungarian people end up scoring like a Frenchman or an African, but it just does not happen.

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General look:

Iranid-Armenoid-Orientalid,Alpine-CM and Indo-Brachid/Melanid inputs.