Elevated Aegean Islands ancestry in Romani

[HerculesGB]

Hello people,

I am a Balkan Romani. Born in Bulgaria. My tribe identifies as Turkish Romani. We are called “yerli” from the Turkish word for “local” or “native” meaning our tribe was not nomadic but assimilated well into society and culture with the Ottomans, later with the Balkan states. My family occupation is trading, as we have clothing and coffee shops downtown.

So, the interesting part is that my AncestryDNA results and any G25 calculator shows that I have elevated Greek ancestry with little no none Balkan along with some west Asian and about 40% Indian ancestry.

Greek has influenced Romani language a lot as the Romani ethnicity as a whole was created in the Byzantine Empire as the migrating Indian population mixed with locals and with those along the way like Persians.

I have not seen a Romani who is not from Greece or Turkey and scores that much Aegean.

What do you guys think? :)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221120/1a0db64f64b7d8336fe52490287fecd7.png

[reboun]

Hello. AFAIK, pre Turkic Anatolians were genetically Aegean Islander like. Someone tell me if I am wrong. Maybe some of your ancestry became Aegean Islander like when Romanis mixed with pre Turkic Anatolians.

[HerculesGB]

Hello. AFAIK, pre Turkic Anatolians were genetically Aegean Islander like. Someone tell me if I am wrong. Maybe some of your ancestry became Aegean Islander like when Romanis mixed with pre Turkic Anatolians.

That’s what I think too. [emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Kaspias]

It is a combination of native admixtures through the migration route of Romani, from Iran to the Balkans. It does not necessarily mean actual Greek Islander ancestry, but rather a middle point representing the entire route.

[HerculesGB]

It is a combination of native admixtures through the migration route of Romani, from Iran to the Balkans. It does not necessarily mean actual Greek Islander ancestry, but rather a middle point representing the entire route.

The thing about Romani admixture and especially when they are not recently mixed as myself is that the populations would represent the ancient admixture.

Correct, I don’t have recent Greek islander ancestry yet Greek populations pop up in every test I take. I believe it is Byzantine Greek ancestry which is Aegean shifted. The same way I posses ancient Indian ancestry, not nowadays one.

I was wondering if other Romani score as much Aegean as I do because I never seen someone score as much as I do when I am not from Greece and being only distinctly related to Turkey. [emoji23]

[Eurafricanid]

When I was testing my model for West Eurasians (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?367851-West-Eurasian-Model-Updated-Final-Version-Works-for-all-Europeans-MENA-and-Latin-Americans), I did find exactly that as you can see here:

Target: Roma_Balkans
Distance: 1.2530% / 0.01252999
34.4 South_Indic
27.8 Greek_Mainland
23.2 Greek_Aegean
9.4 Balto-Slavic
5.2 West_Asian

[Kaspias]

The thing about Romani admixture and especially when they are not recently mixed as myself is that the populations would represent the ancient admixture.

Correct, I don’t have recent Greek islander ancestry yet Greek populations pop up in every test I take. I believe it is Byzantine Greek ancestry which is Aegean shifted. The same way I posses ancient Indian ancestry, not nowadays one.

I was wondering if other Romani score as much Aegean as I do because I never seen someone score as much as I do when I am not from Greece and being only distinctly related to Turkey. [emoji23]

Balkan Romani definitely have Balkan ancestry, that's what pulls that ancient native admixture westwards, making it closer to the Greek Islanders. Otherwise, you would score something like Indian + Assyrian. But yes, it's related to ancient ancestry.

[HerculesGB]

deleted

[HerculesGB]

deleted

[HerculesGB]

When I was testing my model for West Eurasians (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?367851-West-Eurasian-Model-Updated-Final-Version-Works-for-all-Europeans-MENA-and-Latin-Americans), I did find exactly that as you can see here:

Target: Roma_Balkans
Distance: 1.2530% / 0.01252999
34.4 South_Indic
27.8 Greek_Mainland
23.2 Greek_Aegean
9.4 Balto-Slavic
5.2 West_Asian

Interesting,

Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324801
38.4 South_Indic
35.8 Greek_Mainland
18.2 Greek_Aegean
6.2 West_Asian
1.4 Arabic

Here is another interesting calculator I found on this forum:
G25 Genoplot:

Distance: 1.7684% / 0.01768437
27.4 Greek_North_Aegean_simulated
15.2 Chamar_simulated
13.6 Paswan_simulated
12.4 Greek_Istanbul_simulated
10.4 Lebanese_Druze_simulated
7.4 Piramalai_Kallar_simulated
7.2 Bulgarian_Southeastern_simulated
2.8 Greek_Ionia_simulated
2.2 Lebanese_Christian_simulated
1.2 Arunthathiyar_simulated
0.2 German_Brandenburg_Outlier_Beeskow_simulated



https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?363966-G25-Genoplot-calculator-post-your-results&p=7610405#post7610405

[HerculesGB]

Balkan Romani definitely have Balkan ancestry, that's what pulls that ancient native admixture westwards, making it closer to the Greek Islanders. Otherwise, you would score something like Indian + Assyrian. But yes, it's related to ancient ancestry.

It does not only make us closer to Aegean ancestry, we do have that ancestry from Byzantine time, at least some of us like me otherwise I would not be about 40% Aegean. :)

In my case, I do not think I have that much Balkan ancestry. AncestryDNA shows only 4% Greece Albania plus 3% Balkan = 7%.

[Jana]

Makes sense, I noticed Roma don't have much Slavic ancestry which is one of main ingredients of Balkanic DNA. You guys have more south Balkan ancestry which is Greek/Vlach like I guess and that would make sense historically.

[HerculesGB]

Makes sense, I noticed Roma don't have much Slavic ancestry which is one of main ingredients of Balkanic DNA. You guys have more south Balkan ancestry which is Greek/Vlach like I guess and that would make sense historically.

There are some who are higher in Balkan. I am low in Balkan but high in Aegean. Some are high in Anatolian/Iranian. It depends on the tribe I guess. :)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221120/28d9427da2fcea4ae0c1834cd31d2e7b.jpg
Here is a DNAmatch with higher Balkan.