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Jingle Bell
11-23-2022, 10:45 PM
I did recently another calculator for ancient iberia, put i fixed now more thing and i think its better
The Link: https://pastebin.com/jKwaUH5N

This also have good native and ssa samples to latin americans/ mixeds use too

Here some results of iberians regions:
https://i.imgur.com/pRQRKCT.png

pls tell me the feedback and things to fix / aprimorate

Ty guys, have fun! :thumb001:

Eurafricanid
11-23-2022, 10:50 PM
My results:

Target: JoaoGabriel_scaled
Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162084
46.8 SSA
30.6 Ancient_Iberians
6.2 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
5.8 Greco-Roman
4.6 Ancient_Levant
2.6 Native_American
1.8 Arab_Al-Andalus
1.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts

Damião de Góis
11-23-2022, 11:06 PM
Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.9910% / 0.01990951
51.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
25.8 Ancient_Iberians
8.8 Ancient_Levant
6.8 Greco-Roman
5.4 Moors_and_Guanches
1.8 SSA

gixajo
11-23-2022, 11:23 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6327% / 0.01632722
56.8 Ancient_Iberians
15.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
14.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
10.2 Ancient_Levant
2.6 Moors_and_Guanches

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.7903% / 0.01790341
47.4 Ancient_Iberians
26.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
15.8 Greco-Roman
6.2 Moors_and_Guanches
4.0 Ancient_Levant
0.6 SSA

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.9829% / 0.01982877
66.0 Ancient_Iberians
27.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
4.2 Ancient_Levant
2.0 Moors_and_Guanches

Gallop
11-23-2022, 11:38 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.0306% / 0.02030571
54.0 Ancient_Iberians
15.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
11.6 Greco-Roman
9.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
7.8 Moors_and_Guanches
1.2 SSA

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.0630% / 0.02063009
56.4 Ancient_Iberians
22.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.0 Greco-Roman
8.4 Moors_and_Guanches
1.2 SSA

JamesBond007
11-24-2022, 12:00 AM
I did recently another calculator for ancient iberia, put i fixed now more thing and i think its better
The Link: https://pastebin.com/jKwaUH5N

This also have good native and ssa samples to latin americans/ mixeds use too

Here some results of iberians regions:
https://i.imgur.com/pRQRKCT.png

pls tell me the feedback and things to fix / aprimorate

Ty guys, have fun! :thumb001:

Too many samples for SSA and native american it seems like overfitting I never score 2.2 native American :


Target: jb007
Distance: 3.3806% / 0.03380555 | ADC: 0.25x RC
91.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
6.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
2.2 Native_American


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FKAv34WRSU

https://www.realmofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/goths-ancient-germanic-warriors-min-770x437.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs%3Adevice%2Frscb20-1

Kriptc06
11-24-2022, 12:04 AM
Target: Kriptc_23nme
Distance: 1.4174% / 0.01417381
30.0 Ancient_Iberians
23.2 Greco-Roman
14.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
13.2 Native_American
10.2 SSA
8.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi

Target: Kriptc_aunt
Distance: 2.8493% / 0.02849288
56.2 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
41.4 Greco-Roman
2.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
0.4 Native_American


I agree with James about the native

Coastal Elite
11-24-2022, 12:29 AM
Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 2.0587% / 0.02058682
61.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
20.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
16.4 Greco-Roman
1.6 Native_American

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 12:34 AM
Too many samples for SSA and native american it seems like overfitting I never score 2.2 native American :


Target: jb007
Distance: 3.3806% / 0.03380555 | ADC: 0.25x RC
91.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
6.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
2.2 Native_American


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FKAv34WRSU

https://www.realmofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/goths-ancient-germanic-warriors-min-770x437.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs%3Adevice%2Frscb20-1

Yeah, maybe the samples are lacking ANE, so instead this N euros are scoring soem native

i added many ssa samples bcs the slave trade was very diverse, slaves from West, East, Central and even south and horn of africa comes to america, so i added many samples to everyone gets a good distance

im sry by my error with natve, i will try fix

how u score without the dist col?

axel.aleman
11-24-2022, 12:43 AM
Target: Axel_scaled
Distance: 3.1935% / 0.03193476
25.6 SSA
18.6 Native_American
18.2 Ancient_Iberians
12.2 Yi
11.2 Greco-Roman
11.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
3.2 Arab_Al-Andalus


Target: Axel_scaled
Distance: 3.3129% / 0.03312852 | R5P
37.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
25.6 SSA
18.2 Native_American
11.8 Yi
7.4 Arab_Al-Andalus

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 12:46 AM
Target: Axel_scaled
Distance: 3.1935% / 0.03193476
25.6 SSA
18.6 Native_American
18.2 Ancient_Iberians
12.2 Yi
11.2 Greco-Roman
11.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
3.2 Arab_Al-Andalus


Target: Axel_scaled
Distance: 3.3129% / 0.03312852 | R5P
37.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
25.6 SSA
18.2 Native_American
11.8 Yi
7.4 Arab_Al-Andalus

Interesting result axel, u look kinda germanic shifted
what u think abt the calculator?

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 12:47 AM
My results with the Celts and Iberians separated:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.0768% / 0.01076797
46.8 SSA
19.0 Hipano-Celts
10.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
8.8 Greco-Roman
6.2 Ancient_Iberians
3.2 Arab_Al-Andalus
2.8 Native_American
2.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi



Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Celtiberian,0.121031968,0.1431899 37,0.0 63104263,0.013566,0.057138918,0.003532466,-0.00564,0.00761508,0.028428659,0.034625355,-0.0001624,0.007893173,-0.020564238,-0.012110891,0.007555172,-0.004641538,-0.007432455,0.00342036,0.00272381,-0.000666909,0.007070741,0.006841804,-0.008036,-0.004779099,-0.00464
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Astur_LBA,0.121791,0.147252,0.059 208,0. 008398,0.057241,-0.008646,-0.00329,0.006461,0.034974,0.04647,0.003085,0.00449 6,-0.039098,-0.024084,-0.0057,-0.013922,-0.016037,-0.006588,-0.007542,-0.012506,0.018842,0.000124,-0.018117,-0.018316,0.009221
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Vaccaei,0.1257745,0.155376,0.0631 675,0. 005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Lusit anian,0.108131999,0.152328995,0.05 1288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.00507699 9,0.036813999,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004195999,-0.022745001,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053001,-0.006025,-0.002874
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Indig etes,0.128619829,0.142174118,0.054 807686,0.020564334,0.042264583,0.004277999,-0.00047,0.002230239,0.022633775,0.030068944,-0.004058333,0.012391734,-0.021357541,-0.021238838,0.010269386,0.005701322,0.00669284,-0.000211167,0.003603104,-0.001416666,0.006571045,0.004162957,-0.003204842,-0.006104684,0.003074297
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Tarte ssian,0.121791,0.14319,0.05242,-0.009367,0.062165,-0.003068,0.002115,0.010153,0.042132,0.048293,0.004 06,0.009292,-0.027056,-0.022845,0.004479,0.011005,0.009388,-0.003547,0.003142,0.005628,0.011605,-0.002473,-0.005546,-0.023859,-0.006227
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Champagne,0. 1282787,0.1364871,0.0 579634,0.0362083,0.0468394,0.0101236,0.0049351,0.0 029537,0.0093057,0.0128659,-0.002793,0.0061146,-0.0125618,-0.0079547,0.0135177,-0.0033279,-0.0103785,0.0020523,0.0023128,-0.0002251,0.0049787,0.0040065,-0.0008751,-0.0010604,-0.0016526
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Hauts_De_Fra nce,0.12862,0.149283, 0.053174,0.031654,0.050163,0.014781,0.001645,-0.004615,0.01268,0.01057,-0.008444,0.009142,-0.018583,-0.007432,0.019137,-0.003315,-0.014081,0.014316,0.009176,0.002001,0.001622,-0.000866,0.002465,0.000964,0.000718
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Alsace,0.127 861333,0.147590333,0. 047265667,0.030039,0.037135,0.011156,0.002741667,0 .006845667,0.002591,0.015065,-0.000216333,-0.003646667,-0.008572667,-0.006927,0.008550333,0.012861333,-0.007214667,0.005321,0.010181333,-0.001834,-0.009524667,0.008944,-0.000821667,-0.013897333,0.003193333
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Occitanie,0. 132794,0.135404,0.056 316667,0.030469667,0.048829333,0.018685333,0.00125 3333,-0.003230667,0.01493,0.01628,0.002273667,0.01124,-0.015510333,-0.011606,0.019046333,0.006364,0.001564667,0.011106 333,-0.008840667,-0.009421,0.010731,0.001154,-0.006819667,-0.001084667,0.002155667

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 01:16 AM
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.5420% / 0.01542013
30.0 SSA:Nigeria:Yoruba
23.2 Ancient_Iberians:East_Iberian_Average
13.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
11.6 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Megiddo_IA
7.4 SSA:West_African:Mandenka
6.4 SSA:South_Africa:Ronga
3.4 Moors_and_Guanches:Guanches_Average
2.4 Native_American:South_Amerindian:Karitiana
0.8 SSA:South_Africa:Ju_hoan_North
0.6 SSA:Central_African_Hunter-Gatherers:Mbuti
0.4 SSA:West_Africa:Fulani
0.2 Native_American:Amazonian:Bolivian_LaPaz

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.5411% / 0.01541144
45.6 SSA
22.8 Ancient_Iberians
14.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
11.2 Ancient_Levant
3.8 Moors_and_Guanches
2.6 Native_American

looks very similar to my illustrativedna results, im kinda surprised by the fact im only 37% Celto Iberian and the rest mena, im basically a morisco ;)

celticdragongod
11-24-2022, 01:16 AM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.04034597 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
0.04208069 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
0.04915117 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Visigoth_Iberia
0.07064775 Ancient_Iberians:Celtiberian_Average
0.09044719 Ancient_Iberians:East_Iberian_Average
0.15155828 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
0.15547978 Greco-Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.16566387 Greco-Roman:Ancient_Greek_Average
0.17243317 Greco-Roman:GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.17370384 Greco-Roman:Roman_Latin_Average
0.17690248 Greco-Roman:Latin_Imperial_Average
0.21776837 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Ashkelon_LBA
0.21934006 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Megiddo_IA
0.22264233 Ancient_Levant:Phoenician_Civilisation:Levant_Sido n_MBA
0.22313919 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinA
0.22538291 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
0.25439868 Moors_and_Guanches:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Africa_ MA
0.25517478 Moors_and_Guanches:Guanches_Average
0.26636842 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinB
0.40499806 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Eritrean
0.41372949 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Ethiopian
0.42295703 SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.42846788 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Cree
0.43018050 SSA:Beta_Israel:Ethiopian_Jew
0.48476779 SSA:Somalia:Somali

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.7371% / 0.02737124
52.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
46.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
1.0 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Chipewyan
0.4 Greco-Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 01:18 AM
My results with the Celts and Iberians separated:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.0768% / 0.01076797
46.8 SSA
19.0 Hipano-Celts
10.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
8.8 Greco-Roman
6.2 Ancient_Iberians
3.2 Arab_Al-Andalus
2.8 Native_American
2.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi



Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Celtiberian,0.121031968,0.1431899 37,0.0 63104263,0.013566,0.057138918,0.003532466,-0.00564,0.00761508,0.028428659,0.034625355,-0.0001624,0.007893173,-0.020564238,-0.012110891,0.007555172,-0.004641538,-0.007432455,0.00342036,0.00272381,-0.000666909,0.007070741,0.006841804,-0.008036,-0.004779099,-0.00464
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Astur_LBA,0.121791,0.147252,0.059 208,0. 008398,0.057241,-0.008646,-0.00329,0.006461,0.034974,0.04647,0.003085,0.00449 6,-0.039098,-0.024084,-0.0057,-0.013922,-0.016037,-0.006588,-0.007542,-0.012506,0.018842,0.000124,-0.018117,-0.018316,0.009221
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Vaccaei,0.1257745,0.155376,0.0631 675,0. 005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Lusit anian,0.108131999,0.152328995,0.05 1288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.00507699 9,0.036813999,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004195999,-0.022745001,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053001,-0.006025,-0.002874
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Indig etes,0.128619829,0.142174118,0.054 807686,0.020564334,0.042264583,0.004277999,-0.00047,0.002230239,0.022633775,0.030068944,-0.004058333,0.012391734,-0.021357541,-0.021238838,0.010269386,0.005701322,0.00669284,-0.000211167,0.003603104,-0.001416666,0.006571045,0.004162957,-0.003204842,-0.006104684,0.003074297
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Tarte ssian,0.121791,0.14319,0.05242,-0.009367,0.062165,-0.003068,0.002115,0.010153,0.042132,0.048293,0.004 06,0.009292,-0.027056,-0.022845,0.004479,0.011005,0.009388,-0.003547,0.003142,0.005628,0.011605,-0.002473,-0.005546,-0.023859,-0.006227
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Champagne,0. 1282787,0.1364871,0.0 579634,0.0362083,0.0468394,0.0101236,0.0049351,0.0 029537,0.0093057,0.0128659,-0.002793,0.0061146,-0.0125618,-0.0079547,0.0135177,-0.0033279,-0.0103785,0.0020523,0.0023128,-0.0002251,0.0049787,0.0040065,-0.0008751,-0.0010604,-0.0016526
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Hauts_De_Fra nce,0.12862,0.149283, 0.053174,0.031654,0.050163,0.014781,0.001645,-0.004615,0.01268,0.01057,-0.008444,0.009142,-0.018583,-0.007432,0.019137,-0.003315,-0.014081,0.014316,0.009176,0.002001,0.001622,-0.000866,0.002465,0.000964,0.000718
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Alsace,0.127 861333,0.147590333,0. 047265667,0.030039,0.037135,0.011156,0.002741667,0 .006845667,0.002591,0.015065,-0.000216333,-0.003646667,-0.008572667,-0.006927,0.008550333,0.012861333,-0.007214667,0.005321,0.010181333,-0.001834,-0.009524667,0.008944,-0.000821667,-0.013897333,0.003193333
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Occitanie,0. 132794,0.135404,0.056 316667,0.030469667,0.048829333,0.018685333,0.00125 3333,-0.003230667,0.01493,0.01628,0.002273667,0.01124,-0.015510333,-0.011606,0.019046333,0.006364,0.001564667,0.011106 333,-0.008840667,-0.009421,0.010731,0.001154,-0.006819667,-0.001084667,0.002155667


Ur results looks good :)

Our % of celtoiberian dna is very similar basically around 37% too, rating 1 to 10, how u would rate this calculator (be sincere pls :D)

celticdragongod
11-24-2022, 01:23 AM
My results with the Celts and Iberians separated:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.0768% / 0.01076797
46.8 SSA
19.0 Hipano-Celts
10.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
8.8 Greco-Roman
6.2 Ancient_Iberians
3.2 Arab_Al-Andalus
2.8 Native_American
2.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi



Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Celtiberian,0.121031968,0.1431899 37,0.0 63104263,0.013566,0.057138918,0.003532466,-0.00564,0.00761508,0.028428659,0.034625355,-0.0001624,0.007893173,-0.020564238,-0.012110891,0.007555172,-0.004641538,-0.007432455,0.00342036,0.00272381,-0.000666909,0.007070741,0.006841804,-0.008036,-0.004779099,-0.00464
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Astur_LBA,0.121791,0.147252,0.059 208,0. 008398,0.057241,-0.008646,-0.00329,0.006461,0.034974,0.04647,0.003085,0.00449 6,-0.039098,-0.024084,-0.0057,-0.013922,-0.016037,-0.006588,-0.007542,-0.012506,0.018842,0.000124,-0.018117,-0.018316,0.009221
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Vaccaei,0.1257745,0.155376,0.0631 675,0. 005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Lusit anian,0.108131999,0.152328995,0.05 1288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.00507699 9,0.036813999,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004195999,-0.022745001,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053001,-0.006025,-0.002874
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Indig etes,0.128619829,0.142174118,0.054 807686,0.020564334,0.042264583,0.004277999,-0.00047,0.002230239,0.022633775,0.030068944,-0.004058333,0.012391734,-0.021357541,-0.021238838,0.010269386,0.005701322,0.00669284,-0.000211167,0.003603104,-0.001416666,0.006571045,0.004162957,-0.003204842,-0.006104684,0.003074297
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Tarte ssian,0.121791,0.14319,0.05242,-0.009367,0.062165,-0.003068,0.002115,0.010153,0.042132,0.048293,0.004 06,0.009292,-0.027056,-0.022845,0.004479,0.011005,0.009388,-0.003547,0.003142,0.005628,0.011605,-0.002473,-0.005546,-0.023859,-0.006227
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Champagne,0. 1282787,0.1364871,0.0 579634,0.0362083,0.0468394,0.0101236,0.0049351,0.0 029537,0.0093057,0.0128659,-0.002793,0.0061146,-0.0125618,-0.0079547,0.0135177,-0.0033279,-0.0103785,0.0020523,0.0023128,-0.0002251,0.0049787,0.0040065,-0.0008751,-0.0010604,-0.0016526
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Hauts_De_Fra nce,0.12862,0.149283, 0.053174,0.031654,0.050163,0.014781,0.001645,-0.004615,0.01268,0.01057,-0.008444,0.009142,-0.018583,-0.007432,0.019137,-0.003315,-0.014081,0.014316,0.009176,0.002001,0.001622,-0.000866,0.002465,0.000964,0.000718
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Alsace,0.127 861333,0.147590333,0. 047265667,0.030039,0.037135,0.011156,0.002741667,0 .006845667,0.002591,0.015065,-0.000216333,-0.003646667,-0.008572667,-0.006927,0.008550333,0.012861333,-0.007214667,0.005321,0.010181333,-0.001834,-0.009524667,0.008944,-0.000821667,-0.013897333,0.003193333
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Occitanie,0. 132794,0.135404,0.056 316667,0.030469667,0.048829333,0.018685333,0.00125 3333,-0.003230667,0.01493,0.01628,0.002273667,0.01124,-0.015510333,-0.011606,0.019046333,0.006364,0.001564667,0.011106 333,-0.008840667,-0.009421,0.010731,0.001154,-0.006819667,-0.001084667,0.002155667


Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03448685 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Champagne
0.04161612 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Hauts_De_Fra nce
0.05179128 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Occitanie
0.05387413 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Alsace
0.06304175 Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Indig etes
0.07064775 Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Celtiberian
0.07985176 Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Lusit anian
0.08750670 Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Vaccaei
0.10399099 Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Astur_LBA
0.10798875 Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Tarte ssian

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.4349% / 0.03434900
88.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Champagne
11.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Hauts_De_Fra nce

Kriptc06
11-24-2022, 01:31 AM
My results with the Celts and Iberians separated:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.0768% / 0.01076797
46.8 SSA
19.0 Hipano-Celts
10.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
8.8 Greco-Roman
6.2 Ancient_Iberians
3.2 Arab_Al-Andalus
2.8 Native_American
2.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi



Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Celtiberian,0.121031968,0.1431899 37,0.0 63104263,0.013566,0.057138918,0.003532466,-0.00564,0.00761508,0.028428659,0.034625355,-0.0001624,0.007893173,-0.020564238,-0.012110891,0.007555172,-0.004641538,-0.007432455,0.00342036,0.00272381,-0.000666909,0.007070741,0.006841804,-0.008036,-0.004779099,-0.00464
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Astur_LBA,0.121791,0.147252,0.059 208,0. 008398,0.057241,-0.008646,-0.00329,0.006461,0.034974,0.04647,0.003085,0.00449 6,-0.039098,-0.024084,-0.0057,-0.013922,-0.016037,-0.006588,-0.007542,-0.012506,0.018842,0.000124,-0.018117,-0.018316,0.009221
Hipano-Celts:Iberian_IA:Vaccaei,0.1257745,0.155376,0.0631 675,0. 005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Lusit anian,0.108131999,0.152328995,0.05 1288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.00507699 9,0.036813999,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004195999,-0.022745001,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053001,-0.006025,-0.002874
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Indig etes,0.128619829,0.142174118,0.054 807686,0.020564334,0.042264583,0.004277999,-0.00047,0.002230239,0.022633775,0.030068944,-0.004058333,0.012391734,-0.021357541,-0.021238838,0.010269386,0.005701322,0.00669284,-0.000211167,0.003603104,-0.001416666,0.006571045,0.004162957,-0.003204842,-0.006104684,0.003074297
Ancient_Iberians:Ancient_Iberians:Iberian_IA:Tarte ssian,0.121791,0.14319,0.05242,-0.009367,0.062165,-0.003068,0.002115,0.010153,0.042132,0.048293,0.004 06,0.009292,-0.027056,-0.022845,0.004479,0.011005,0.009388,-0.003547,0.003142,0.005628,0.011605,-0.002473,-0.005546,-0.023859,-0.006227
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Champagne,0. 1282787,0.1364871,0.0 579634,0.0362083,0.0468394,0.0101236,0.0049351,0.0 029537,0.0093057,0.0128659,-0.002793,0.0061146,-0.0125618,-0.0079547,0.0135177,-0.0033279,-0.0103785,0.0020523,0.0023128,-0.0002251,0.0049787,0.0040065,-0.0008751,-0.0010604,-0.0016526
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Belgae_Hauts_De_Fra nce,0.12862,0.149283, 0.053174,0.031654,0.050163,0.014781,0.001645,-0.004615,0.01268,0.01057,-0.008444,0.009142,-0.018583,-0.007432,0.019137,-0.003315,-0.014081,0.014316,0.009176,0.002001,0.001622,-0.000866,0.002465,0.000964,0.000718
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Alsace,0.127 861333,0.147590333,0. 047265667,0.030039,0.037135,0.011156,0.002741667,0 .006845667,0.002591,0.015065,-0.000216333,-0.003646667,-0.008572667,-0.006927,0.008550333,0.012861333,-0.007214667,0.005321,0.010181333,-0.001834,-0.009524667,0.008944,-0.000821667,-0.013897333,0.003193333
Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gallic_IA:Gallic_Occitanie,0. 132794,0.135404,0.056 316667,0.030469667,0.048829333,0.018685333,0.00125 3333,-0.003230667,0.01493,0.01628,0.002273667,0.01124,-0.015510333,-0.011606,0.019046333,0.006364,0.001564667,0.011106 333,-0.008840667,-0.009421,0.010731,0.001154,-0.006819667,-0.001084667,0.002155667


Target: Kriptc_23nme
Distance: 1.1805% / 0.01180531
22.4 Greco-Roman
20.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
13.6 Hipano-Celts
13.0 Native_American
10.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
10.4 SSA
9.0 Ancient_Iberians
0.8 Moors_and_Guanches

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 01:34 AM
Ur results looks good :)

Our % of celtoiberian dna is very similar basically around 37% too, rating 1 to 10, how u would rate this calculator (be sincere pls :D)

It's a pretty solid calculator in my opinion, I'd say an 8.5/10

alnortedelsur
11-24-2022, 07:24 AM
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.7392% / 0.01739196
30.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
25.6 Greco-Roman
24.2 Ancient_Iberians
7.4 Moors_and_Guanches
6.6 Native_American
5.8 SSA



Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.08954142 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
0.08957674 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Visigoth_Iberia
0.09052316 Ancient_Iberians:Celtiberian_Average
0.09667342 Ancient_Iberians:East_Iberian_Average
0.10414017 Greco-Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.10757204 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
0.11755810 Greco-Roman:Ancient_Greek_Average
0.12302105 Greco-Roman:Latin_Imperial_Average
0.12655693 Greco-Roman:GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.12802789 Greco-Roman:Roman_Latin_Average
0.12804858 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
0.14630712 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinA
0.15834265 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Megiddo_IA
0.15934734 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Ashkelon_LBA
0.16020905 Ancient_Levant:Phoenician_Civilisation:Levant_Sido n_MBA
0.16723961 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
0.17096520 Moors_and_Guanches:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Africa_ MA
0.17141251 Moors_and_Guanches:Guanches_Average
0.20075065 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinB
0.32718154 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Eritrean
0.33586767 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Ethiopian
0.34579150 SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.35385395 SSA:Beta_Israel:Ethiopian_Jew
0.38857563 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Cree
0.41048394 SSA:Somalia:Somali
0.44399958 SSA:Somalia:Rendille
0.47032214 SSA:West_Africa:Fulani
0.52736560 SSA:Southern_East_Africa:Ogiek
0.53098324 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Chipewyan
0.53740963 SSA:East_African_Nilo-Saharan:Masai
0.53740963 SSA:Southern_East_Africa:Masai
0.55043046 Native_American:Indigenous_North_America:Amerindia n_North
0.55043046 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Amerindian_North
0.57761041 Native_American:Indigenous_South_America:Quechua
0.59271928 Native_American:Mesoamerica:Mixtec
0.59271928 Native_American:Central_Amerindian:Mixtec
0.59842629 Native_American:Central_Amerindian:Mayan
0.59978545 Native_American:Central_Amerindian:Nahua
0.62462349 Native_American:Amazonian:Bolivian_LaPaz
0.64096240 Native_American:South_Amerindian:Aymara

Grace O'Malley
11-24-2022, 09:33 AM
This is my result with those samples.

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.6902% / 0.02690242
62.2 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
36.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
1.2 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Chipewyan

Russki
11-24-2022, 09:51 AM
Target: Russki

Distance: 7.2169% / 0.07216912

94.2 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
4.0 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Chipewyan
1.8 Greco-Roman:GRC_Marathon_Rom

Dušan
11-24-2022, 09:59 AM
Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 4.3900% / 0.04390031
58.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
22.8 Greco-Roman
17.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
1.6 Native_American

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 05:04 PM
Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.1954% / 0.01195408
48.2 Ancient_Iberians:East_Iberian_Average
16.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
13.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
11.8 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Africa_ MA
3.2 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
2.4 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Ashkelon_LBA

wow so fucking cool i love it

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 05:06 PM
Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.1954% / 0.01195408
48.2 Ancient_Iberians:East_Iberian_Average
16.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
13.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
11.8 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Africa_ MA
3.2 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
2.4 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Ashkelon_LBA

wow so fucking cool i love it

Im happy thats works for u! :thumb001:

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 05:11 PM
other family members:

mother:
Target: MamaK13
Distance: 1.2831% / 0.01283127
50.6 Ancient_Iberians
17.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
15.0 Ancient_Levant
14.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
2.4 Moors_and_Guanches
0.2 Greco-Roman

grandma:
Target: AbuelaK13
Distance: 1.3080% / 0.01307984
42.2 Ancient_Iberians
19.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
17.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
11.0 Ancient_Levant
7.0 Greco-Roman
2.8 Moors_and_Guanches

grandfather:
Target: AbueloK13
Distance: 1.4948% / 0.01494785
52.8 Ancient_Iberians
18.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
16.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
9.8 Ancient_Levant
1.8 Greco-Roman
0.2 Moors_and_Guanches

father:
Target: PapaK13
Distance: 1.3655% / 0.01365521
54.6 Ancient_Iberians
15.8 Greco-Roman
12.2 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
10.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
3.6 Moors_and_Guanches
3.0 Ancient_Levant

it's very nice

Kriptc06
11-24-2022, 05:44 PM
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.7392% / 0.01739196
30.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
25.6 Greco-Roman
24.2 Ancient_Iberians
7.4 Moors_and_Guanches
6.6 Native_American
5.8 SSA



Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.08954142 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:France_IA_Average
0.08957674 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Visigoth_Iberia
0.09052316 Ancient_Iberians:Celtiberian_Average
0.09667342 Ancient_Iberians:East_Iberian_Average
0.10414017 Greco-Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.10757204 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
0.11755810 Greco-Roman:Ancient_Greek_Average
0.12302105 Greco-Roman:Latin_Imperial_Average
0.12655693 Greco-Roman:GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.12802789 Greco-Roman:Roman_Latin_Average
0.12804858 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
0.14630712 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinA
0.15834265 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Megiddo_IA
0.15934734 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Ashkelon_LBA
0.16020905 Ancient_Levant:Phoenician_Civilisation:Levant_Sido n_MBA
0.16723961 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
0.17096520 Moors_and_Guanches:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Africa_ MA
0.17141251 Moors_and_Guanches:Guanches_Average
0.20075065 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinB
0.32718154 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Eritrean
0.33586767 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Ethiopian
0.34579150 SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.35385395 SSA:Beta_Israel:Ethiopian_Jew
0.38857563 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Cree
0.41048394 SSA:Somalia:Somali
0.44399958 SSA:Somalia:Rendille
0.47032214 SSA:West_Africa:Fulani
0.52736560 SSA:Southern_East_Africa:Ogiek
0.53098324 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Chipewyan
0.53740963 SSA:East_African_Nilo-Saharan:Masai
0.53740963 SSA:Southern_East_Africa:Masai
0.55043046 Native_American:Indigenous_North_America:Amerindia n_North
0.55043046 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Amerindian_North
0.57761041 Native_American:Indigenous_South_America:Quechua
0.59271928 Native_American:Mesoamerica:Mixtec
0.59271928 Native_American:Central_Amerindian:Mixtec
0.59842629 Native_American:Central_Amerindian:Mayan
0.59978545 Native_American:Central_Amerindian:Nahua
0.62462349 Native_American:Amazonian:Bolivian_LaPaz
0.64096240 Native_American:South_Amerindian:Aymara


Did you test your father? I have the impressing my overall genetic makeup may be similar to his, my native and SSA is practically double % of yours.

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 06:33 PM
Jgab602 give me better samples so i added they in the model
now we are getting better distances using iberian samples

special thanks to u guy! :loveheart:

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 07:15 PM
My results:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.1347% / 0.01134703
46.8 SSA
16.0 Hispano/Para-Celts
12.4 Ancient_Iberians
8.8 Greco-Roman
8.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
3.4 Arab_Al-Andalus
2.6 Native_American
1.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi

Damião de Góis
11-24-2022, 07:21 PM
What did you use for Gaul_and_Early_Celts?

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 07:25 PM
What did you use for Gaul_and_Early_Celts?

Its a average of samples from France Ia (Gauls and others tribes like Belgae)
They were very similar to the Proto-Celts (La Tene)

If i not wrong i used 13 or 15 samples, something like that

Damião de Góis
11-24-2022, 07:29 PM
Its a average of samples from France Ia (Gauls and others tribes like Belgae)
They were very similar to the Proto-Celts (La Tene)

If i not wrong i used 13 or 15 samples, something like that

Then i think i should never have 51% of it when iberian samples are present. The iberian samples in your model are probably basques.

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 07:29 PM
What did you use for Gaul_and_Early_Celts?

U if are interested i can send in ur pv the samples which i used :thumb001:

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 07:33 PM
Then i think i should never have 51% of it when iberian samples are present. The iberian samples in your model are probably basques.

No, all the samples which i used are ancient samples, i dont used any modern
Celts and Germanic overlap a bit, but its normal score a lot of celt bcs mostly iberians are descendants of Northern iberians who repopulated gter the reconquita, and the North especially NW of iberia were heavily Celt

The iberian samples are from East iberia in the IA period, they clusters with basque but they are a lot more ENF shifted

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 07:33 PM
Then i think i should never have 51% of it when iberian samples are present. The iberian samples in your model are probably basques.

I think you should take them out to see what happens to your other samples

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 07:47 PM
I think you should take them out to see what happens to your other samples

without gallic:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.2212% / 0.01221246
52.2 Ancient_Iberians
22.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
15.6 Ancient_Levant
4.8 Moors_and_Guanches
3.0 Greco-Roman
2.4 Hispano_Celt

(the hispano celt is the celtiberian sample re named)

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 07:48 PM
I think you should take them out to see what happens to your other samples

Exactly, when we take off the celts samples, iberians start to score a LOT of germanic, which dont makes ssense, they were a small elite who intermix few with natives

Look at celtiberians model:

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3759
Distance: 2.5489% / 0.02548910
75.6 Ancient_Iberians
24.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3758
Distance: 3.7415% / 0.03741464
63.0 Ancient_Iberians
37.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3758
Distance: 5.2427% / 0.05242698

52.4TUR_Barcin_N
26.4Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.2WHG
1.0MAR_Taforalt

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3759
Distance: 3.8530% / 0.03853015

53.8TUR_Barcin_N
25.6Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.8WHG
0.8Han

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 07:49 PM
without gallic:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.2212% / 0.01221246
52.2 Ancient_Iberians
22.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
15.6 Ancient_Levant
4.8 Moors_and_Guanches
3.0 Greco-Roman
2.4 Hispano_Celt

(the hispano celt is the celtiberian sample re named)

The MENA goes very high, Germanic its just unreal, i think makes more sense with gaul sample

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 07:51 PM
with para celtic sample:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3311% / 0.01331053
26.6 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.6 Ancient_Iberians
16.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.0 Greco-Roman
10.0 Ancient_Levant
7.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches
seems even better btw wich sample did u used for it?

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 07:51 PM
Exactly, when we take off the celts samples, iberians start to score a LOT of germanic, which dont makes ssense, they were a small elite who intermix few with natives

Look at celtiberians model:

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3759
Distance: 2.5489% / 0.02548910
75.6 Ancient_Iberians
24.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3758
Distance: 3.7415% / 0.03741464
63.0 Ancient_Iberians
37.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3758
Distance: 5.2427% / 0.05242698

52.4TUR_Barcin_N
26.4Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.2WHG
1.0MAR_Taforalt

Target: WesternEurope:Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA:I3759
Distance: 3.8530% / 0.03853015

53.8TUR_Barcin_N
25.6Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.8WHG
0.8Han
I was talking especifically to him, 'cause he was scoring 51% of Gaul

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 07:54 PM
with para celtic sample:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3311% / 0.01331053
26.6 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.6 Ancient_Iberians
16.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.0 Greco-Roman
10.0 Ancient_Levant
7.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches
seems even better btw wich sample did u used for it?

This one Jgab gave me, i think are also averages of France IA too

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 07:54 PM
with para celtic sample:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3311% / 0.01331053
26.6 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.6 Ancient_Iberians
16.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.0 Greco-Roman
10.0 Ancient_Levant
7.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches
seems even better btw wich sample did u used for it?
The Hispano/Para-Celts is a blend of all the hispano-celts and lusitanians (para-celts)

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 07:55 PM
The Hispano/Para-Celts is a blend of all the hispano-celts and lusitanians (para-celts)

Where is that lusitan sample from? Iberia West BA? IA? I never found any lusitan sample

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 07:56 PM
This one Jgab gave me, i think are also averages of France IA too

seems more a good celtiberian sample the distances compared in my calculator:

Distance to: Hispano/Para-Celts
0.01836856 Celtiberian:Celtiberian
0.01917936 Celtiberian:Vaccaei
0.01927488 Vasconic:Vasconic
0.01985275 Aquitania:Aquitania
0.02154998 Celtiberian:Celtiberians
0.02652047 Lusitanian:Lusitanian
0.02898512 Iberian:Iberes_Central
0.03218281 Vasconic:Vasconic
0.03407644 Celtiberian:Astur_LBA
0.03606986 Celtiberian:CelticIberian
0.03623894 Celtiberian:Celtiberian_200BC
0.03687021 Iberian:Indigetes
0.04196046 Iberian:Tartessian
0.04492359 Iberian:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.04805451 Iberian:Andalusia_Visigoth_Era
0.04834377 Iberian:Iberia_IA:Iberia_East_IA:I12410
0.05559262 Gallic:Gallic_Occitanie
0.05559953 Gallic:Belgae_Champagne
0.05778153 Gallic:Belgae_Hauts_De_France
0.05884370 Visigothic:Visigoth_Iberia
0.06358410 Balkanic:Illyrian:HRV_MBA
0.06492367 Gallic:Gallic_Alsace
0.06509153 Germanic:Medieval_Frank
0.07025424 Germanic:Viking_nordic_Poland
0.07367232 Etruscan

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 07:58 PM
:rolleyes::icon_ask:

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 07:59 PM
Where is that lusitan sample from? Iberia West BA? IA? I never found any lusitan sample

i have this one: Lusitanian:Lusitanian,0.108131999,0.152328995,0.05 1288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.00507699 9,0.036813999,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004195999,-0.022745001,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053001,-0.006025,-0.002874

i don't remember where did i get it lol

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 08:00 PM
i have this one: Lusitanian:Lusitanian,0.108131999,0.152328995,0.05 1288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.00507699 9,0.036813999,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004195999,-0.022745001,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053001,-0.006025,-0.002874

i don't remember where did i get it lol

Ty man! :thumb001:

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:01 PM
with lusitanians:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3297% / 0.01329661
23.8 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.4 Ancient_Iberians
15.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.6 Greco-Roman
9.4 Ancient_Levant
7.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches
3.0 Lusitanian

the calc seems better and better for me

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 08:02 PM
i have this one: Lusitanian:Lusitanian,0.108131999,0.152328995,0.05 1288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.00507699 9,0.036813999,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004195999,-0.022745001,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053001,-0.006025,-0.002874

i don't remember where did i get it lol

Target: Hispano/Para-Celts
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000002
25.0 Astur_LBA
25.0 Celtiberian
25.0 Lusitanian
25.0 Vaccaei

;):rolleyes::D:thumb001:

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 08:06 PM
with lusitanians:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3297% / 0.01329661
23.8 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.4 Ancient_Iberians
15.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.6 Greco-Roman
9.4 Ancient_Levant
7.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches
3.0 Lusitanian

the calc seems better and better for me

I think you shoudn't use Lustanians if you're not a portuguese, and at all, actually

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 08:07 PM
Imma try someting interesting rn :rolleyes:...

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:07 PM
I think you shoudn't use Lustanians if you're not a portuguese, and at all, actually

i have a great great grandfather who was half portuguese also my maternal grandma side was from wester Andalusian maybe is ok

Damião de Góis
11-24-2022, 08:22 PM
I tried the Lusitanian sample but it doesn't appear for me. Also the sources seem to have changed since i tried it in the first page, i now get (with the lusitanians):


Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.6498% / 0.01649786
43.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
33.0 Hispano/Para-Celts
10.2 Greco-Roman
5.6 Moors_and_Guanches
5.4 Ancient_Levant
2.0 SSA

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:24 PM
I tried the Lusitanian sample but it doesn't appear for me. Also the sources seem to have changed since i tried it in the first page, i now get (with the lusitanians):


Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.6498% / 0.01649786
43.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
33.0 Hispano/Para-Celts
10.2 Greco-Roman
5.6 Moors_and_Guanches
5.4 Ancient_Levant
2.0 SSA

me with the new samples added didn't changed to much:

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3310% / 0.01331021
26.6 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.4 Ancient_Iberians
16.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
12.4 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
9.8 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
7.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gaul
5.2 Moors_and_Guanches:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Africa_ MA

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 08:25 PM
You can test these toguether now, look at the galician sample before and after:

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8928% / 0.00892804
30.8 Hispano/Para-Celts
29.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
13.0 Greco-Roman
11.8 Ancient_Iberians
10.0 Moors_and_Guanches
4.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
0.6 Ancient_Levant


Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8927% / 0.00892725
36.6 Hispano/Para-Celts
24.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
13.0 Greco-Roman
11.6 Ancient_Iberians
9.8 Moors_and_Guanches
4.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
0.6 Ancient_Levant

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 08:31 PM
You can test these toguether now, look at the galician sample before and after:

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8928% / 0.00892804
30.8 Hispano/Para-Celts
29.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
13.0 Greco-Roman
11.8 Ancient_Iberians
10.0 Moors_and_Guanches
4.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
0.6 Ancient_Levant


Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8927% / 0.00892725
36.6 Hispano/Para-Celts
24.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
13.0 Greco-Roman
11.6 Ancient_Iberians
9.8 Moors_and_Guanches
4.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
0.6 Ancient_Levant

These here:



Hispano/Para-Celts:1,0.11918237,0.14953673,0.05919194,0.0084787 5,0.05621548,0.00008137,-0.00229125,0.00666314,0.03326066,0.03929471,-0.00087298,0.00635679,-0.02652968,-0.01549985,0.00796229,-0.00500551,-0.00946911,0.00199522,-0.00060742,-0.00490335,0.01048681,0.00294695,-0.00974263,-0.0113769,0.00023225
Hispano/Para-Celts:2,0.1219687,0.14752684,0.05734175,0.01392264 ,0.05290715,0.0037912,-0.00121906,0.00544923,0.02713562,0.03338916,-0.00039757,0.00571676,-0.02290764,-0.01394152,0.0094213,-0.00135096,-0.00780808,0.00354983,-0.00028798,-0.00508438,0.0080159,0.00347246,-0.00826214,-0.01040542,0.00084282

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:38 PM
deleted.

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:39 PM
These here:



Hispano/Para-Celts:1,0.11918237,0.14953673,0.05919194,0.0084787 5,0.05621548,0.00008137,-0.00229125,0.00666314,0.03326066,0.03929471,-0.00087298,0.00635679,-0.02652968,-0.01549985,0.00796229,-0.00500551,-0.00946911,0.00199522,-0.00060742,-0.00490335,0.01048681,0.00294695,-0.00974263,-0.0113769,0.00023225
Hispano/Para-Celts:2,0.1219687,0.14752684,0.05734175,0.01392264 ,0.05290715,0.0037912,-0.00121906,0.00544923,0.02713562,0.03338916,-0.00039757,0.00571676,-0.02290764,-0.01394152,0.0094213,-0.00135096,-0.00780808,0.00354983,-0.00028798,-0.00508438,0.0080159,0.00347246,-0.00826214,-0.01040542,0.00084282


Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3298% / 0.01329828
25.4 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.8 Ancient_Iberians
16.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.2 Greco-Roman
9.8 Ancient_Levant
5.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
5.0 Moors_and_Guanches
3.2 Lusitanian

i have this vasconic sample if someone wanna try it but i don't think it would be in general:

Vasconic:Vasconic,0.12997965,0.15121785,0.05672945 ,0.0109156,0.0569969,0.0013169,-0.0023631,0.00186655,0.03097855,0.04340165,-0.0069006,0.01097355,-0.0218771,-0.0163932,0.0155822,0.0008956,-0.00886335,0.00290045,-0.00126605,-2.24E-03,0.00947355,0.00248615,-0.007764,-0.00910345,0.00116685

and another Iberian: Iberian:Iberia_IA:Iberia_East_IA:I12410,0.132035,0 .146236,0.060339,-0.004845,0.066782,-0.005857,0,0.001385,0.034155,0.050115,-0.001137,0.012589,-0.025867,-0.012248,0.008822,0.012596,0.022687,-0.001014,-0.00729,0.008879,0.006239,0.007172,-0.009983,-0.013737,-0.001916

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 08:45 PM
Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 1.3298% / 0.01329828
25.4 Hispano/Para-Celts
22.8 Ancient_Iberians
16.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.2 Greco-Roman
9.8 Ancient_Levant
5.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
5.0 Moors_and_Guanches
3.2 Lusitanian

i have this vasconic sample if someone wanna try it but i don't think it would be in general:

Vasconic:Vasconic,0.12997965,0.15121785,0.05672945 ,0.0109156,0.0569969,0.0013169,-0.0023631,0.00186655,0.03097855,0.04340165,-0.0069006,0.01097355,-0.0218771,-0.0163932,0.0155822,0.0008956,-0.00886335,0.00290045,-0.00126605,-2.24E-03,0.00947355,0.00248615,-0.007764,-0.00910345,0.00116685

and another Iberian: Iberian:Iberia_IA:Iberia_East_IA:I12410,0.132035,0 .146236,0.060339,-0.004845,0.066782,-0.005857,0,0.001385,0.034155,0.050115,-0.001137,0.012589,-0.025867,-0.012248,0.008822,0.012596,0.022687,-0.001014,-0.00729,0.008879,0.006239,0.007172,-0.009983,-0.013737,-0.001916

This iberian one i used in my Ancient Iberian average

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:48 PM
This iberian one i used in my Ancient Iberian average

and this one: Iberian:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE,0.1141078,0.1454745,0.033941,-0.0063792,0.0375455,-0.001046,0.0001175,0.0031728,0.0259233,0.033076,-0.0032475,0.003859,-0.0118182,-0.0116978,0.0027482,-0.0012927,6.5e-05,-0.0040538,-0.00088,-0.0025325,0.004336,0.000371,-0.0001847,-0.0011747,-0.0003592

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 08:53 PM
and this one: Iberian:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE,0.1141078,0.1454745,0.033941,-0.0063792,0.0375455,-0.001046,0.0001175,0.0031728,0.0259233,0.033076,-0.0032475,0.003859,-0.0118182,-0.0116978,0.0027482,-0.0012927,6.5e-05,-0.0040538,-0.00088,-0.0025325,0.004336,0.000371,-0.0001847,-0.0011747,-0.0003592

Identical to modern iberians, clusters with modern ppl from Ibiza, Baleares
Interesting

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 08:54 PM
Identical to modern iberians, clusters with modern ppl from Ibiza, Baleares
Interesting
It's an medieval iberian sample, not usable

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:56 PM
Identical to modern iberians, clusters with modern ppl from Ibiza, Baleares
Interesting

yes ibiza was the only one with iberian population mallorca and menorca had different people that cluster curiosly in modern basque country and south france we call them the Talaiotic culture

Beowulf
11-24-2022, 08:58 PM
It's a medieval iberian sample, not usable

my mistake sorry :(

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 08:59 PM
We got any sample from pre-al andalus period? Just to compare to Late Roman Period samples and see if Germanics made a visible impact in genepool

Selene
11-24-2022, 09:11 PM
Not for me, but just for fun:

Target: Nixie
Distance: 3.9110% / 0.03910972
55.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
24.2 Greco-Roman
18.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
2.0 Native_American

PT Tagus
11-24-2022, 09:12 PM
Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.4086% / 0.01408635
48.0 Hispano/Para-Celts
19.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
10.4 Ancient_Levant
10.0 Greco-Roman
4.6 Arab_Al-Andalus
4.6 Moors_and_Guanches
2.6 SSA


Distanceto: Endovelicus_scaled
0.05889548 Hispano/Para-Celts
0.06412190 Ancient_Iberians
0.06495063 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Visigoth_Iberia
0.07193281 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gaul
0.07308740 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Belgae
0.08703047 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
0.09489540 Greco-Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.09758889 Greco-Roman:Ancient_Greek_Average
0.10885149 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
0.11359304 Greco-Roman:Latin_Imperial_Average
0.11561046 Greco-Roman:GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.11564254 Greco-Roman:Roman_Latin_Average
0.14913076 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinA
0.15194031 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Megiddo_IA
0.15199925 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Ashkelon_LBA
0.15288990 Ancient_Levant:Phoenician_Civilisation:Levant_Sido n_MBA
0.15620397 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
0.17898657 Moors_and_Guanches:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Africa_ MA
0.17937872 Moors_and_Guanches:Guanches_Average
0.19534341 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinB
0.34125874 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Eritrean
0.35044068 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Ethiopian
0.36055836 SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.36847595 SSA:Beta_Israel:Ethiopian_Jew
0.42732388 SSA:Somalia:Somali

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 09:17 PM
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Beowulf
11-24-2022, 09:18 PM
We got any sample from pre-al andalus period? Just to compare to Late Roman Period samples and see if Germanics made a visible impact in genepool

not from iberia but here is a pure gothic sample from kowalewko: Goth:Gothic,0.129601699,0.128628296, 0.070194201,0.063413999,0.0407792,0.022368699,0.00 5429999,0.009020499,0.003015901,-0.0079066,-0.0034514,0.0045016,-0.0092687,-0.008651301,0.0226206,0.0071879,-0.006684,0.0019728,0.0026517,0.0057871,0.0084151,0 .0019783,0.000399701,0.0101653,-0.000605699

if u want to search there are some catalonian samples from visigothic era the andalusians one's aren't visigoths by genetic

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 09:21 PM
We got any sample from pre-al andalus period? Just to compare to Late Roman Period samples and see if Germanics made a visible impact in genepool
This sample is roman era, pre-alandalus


and this one: Iberian:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE,0.1141078,0.1454745,0.033941,-0.0063792,0.0375455,-0.001046,0.0001175,0.0031728,0.0259233,0.033076,-0.0032475,0.003859,-0.0118182,-0.0116978,0.0027482,-0.0012927,6.5e-05,-0.0040538,-0.00088,-0.0025325,0.004336,0.000371,-0.0001847,-0.0011747,-0.0003592

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 09:32 PM
This sample is roman era, pre-alandalus

This is from in max 8th century CE, the moors get in peninsula in 711 CE, its not before al andalus
Im saying abt idk, 5 or 6 CE

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 09:35 PM
This is from in max 8th century CE, the moors get in peninsula in 711 CE, its not before al andalus
Im saying abt idk, 5 or 6 CE

I'm dumb sometimes :picard1:

rothaer
11-24-2022, 09:36 PM
Also not for me, just for fun:

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 0.0331% / 0.03310289
63.3 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
33.3 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
2.2 Greco-Roman
1.2 Native_American

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 09:41 PM
I don't get what you're saying, it's 8-12 CE, so it's obviously before 711 CE, I think you're mixing up CE with BCE

This samples is from 800 - 1200 after christ, and i was wanting some sample before the moors (711)

But nvm, i alr found and ik going to see if there some great genepool changes, bcs if yes means the germanics made a visible impact :)

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 09:51 PM
IK you already found one, but there's this one here that i found



Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE,0.0792967,0.1458977,0.0169707,-0.033269,0.0377503,-0.0193363,-0.00188,0.0075383,0.029997,0.0365687,-0.004655,0.0036467,-0.006244,-0.0152303,0.006424,0.0057013,0.0072147,-0.005321,-0.011229,-0.0012087,0.001414,-0.0038333,0.0067787,-0.001165,-0.0035523

Not sure if this is a good one, but



Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL,0.127482,0.1366904,0.046 6122,0.023256,0.037853,0.0069724,0.004888,0.004384 4,0.00814,0.0118816,-0.0059108,0.0067138,-0.0126062,-0.0061654,0.006243,0.0053832,0.006128,0.0035474,-0.0013322,0.0048272,0.0065884,0.0019538,-0.0026868,0.0025546,-0.0028978

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 09:54 PM
https://i.imgur.com/yvfpPTf.png

looks like the iberians after the roman times were heavily MENA admixed, these guys prob mixed witha very Celtic/germanic shifted group and created the modern iberians

looks like the NA and Levantine dna of modern iberians dont comes from the moors.. .

https://i.imgur.com/geuqkKP.png

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 09:59 PM
From my model:
https://i.imgur.com/nJkc7Gd.png

They were heavily Mixed with North Africans and Romans, now we get the question, how the actual iberians get so many Celtic-Related dna in so few time? Porb this genetic change occour btw 600 - 800, maybe North Iberians repopulated the south and mixed with the guys? idk, what u guys think?

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 09:59 PM
It says 5-8, so they could be moriscos, but these 3-4 ones :eek:

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 10:03 PM
https://i.imgur.com/oEzzKK0.png
While the North was. . . the complete opossite, heavily Celto-Germanic
prob the North guys repopulated the south? damn i did not know thats huge change happened


Wow
https://i.imgur.com/dkIdcfv.png

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 10:03 PM
omg :eek:

Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I4054
Distance: 3.0099% / 0.03009945
43.8 Ancient_Iberians
36.4 Greco-Roman
17.8 Moors_and_Guanches
2.0 SSA



Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3983
Distance: 2.0207% / 0.02020706
42.6 Ancient_Iberians
25.6 Greco-Roman
21.8 Moors_and_Guanches
6.6 Ancient_Levant
2.6 Arab_Al-Andalus
0.8 SSA



Target: Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982
Distance: 2.1695% / 0.02169486
56.0 Hispano/Para-Celts
19.2 Moors_and_Guanches
17.8 Greco-Roman
4.8 Ancient_Levant
1.8 Arab_Al-Andalus
0.4 SSA

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 10:11 PM
https://i.imgur.com/1dDy8hv.png
damn, looks like was a huge replacement

Now i question myself, How? and Why?

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 10:15 PM
Looks like these Northerners were the unmixed ones and the modern iberians are the mixing of the two in a huge historical replacement called reconquista? or something? I'm not sure :thumb001:

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 10:17 PM
Just some more tests with samples also from SE iberia too but after 600 - 1200 years:

https://i.imgur.com/q9MR5zK.png
https://i.imgur.com/rrmFXzj.png

With more yamnaya dna but MENA admix still stronger than today, prob the replacement of reconquista made "Pure" North iberians mix with thy again and create modern iberians? Thats VERY interesting

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 10:18 PM
Looks like these Northerners were the unmixed ones and the modern iberians are the mixing of the two in a huge historical replacement called reconquista? or something? I'm not sure :thumb001:

Yeah something like that, but this happened before the reconquista, prob was 2 replacement, one before and one during the reconquista

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 10:29 PM
The 10-16 ones have waay less NA compared to 3-4 and 6-8, so it must have happened after 8 CE
"After a Muslim resurgence under the Almohads in the 12th century, the great Moorish strongholds in the south fell to Christian forces in the 13th century after the decisive battle of Las Navas de Tolosa (1212)—Córdoba in 1236 and Seville in 1248—leaving only the Muslim enclave of Granada as a tributary state in the south. After the surrender of Granada in January 1492, the entire Iberian peninsula was controlled by Christian rulers."

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 10:48 PM
Looks like these Northerners were the unmixed ones and the modern iberians are the mixing of the two in a huge historical replacement called reconquista? or something? I'm not sure :thumb001:

I just think how they get so much steppe genes? they are mroe north shifted than hallsttats, maybe they are early Visigots or Suebis? the time match

the Celtiberians were from NE iberia too but they were way less North shifted

Marshall Theodore
11-24-2022, 11:34 PM
looks like the NA and Levantine dna of modern iberians dont comes from the moors...

Tongio made a post saying something like that months ago, this NA must be from Romans, Phoenicians or Carthago (or all of them).

And a former Brazilian member (i don't remember If was Rocinante or other one) said that Romans brought NA to Iberians and extra West Asian to Northern Italians, if you notice, Italians (including those from the north) have the highest levels of West Asian in Europe on Gedmatch.

Pedro Ruben
11-24-2022, 11:40 PM
Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.4894% / 0.01489408
38.6 Hispano/Para-Celts
15.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
15.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
11.4 Greco-Roman
9.2 Moors_and_Guanches
5.8 Ancient_Levant
3.4 SSA
1.0 Native_American

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.7845% / 0.01784462 | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.8 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
27.2 Hispano/Para-Celts
15.0 Moors_and_Guanches
10.8 Arab_Al-Andalus
1.2 Greco-Roman

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.3746% / 0.01374596
38.8 Hispano/Para-Celts
30.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
15.4 Moors_and_Guanches
6.6 Greco-Roman
3.8 Ancient_Levant
2.8 SSA
1.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
1.0 Native_American

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7618% / 0.01761764
33.2 Hispano/Para-Celts
25.4 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
11.8 Greco-Roman
9.0 Ancient_Iberians
8.6 Moors_and_Guanches
8.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
2.4 SSA
1.2 Ancient_Levant
0.4 Native_American

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 11:47 PM
Tongio made a post saying something like that months ago, this NA must be from Romans, Phoenicians or Carthago (or all of them).

And a former Brazilian member (i don't remember If was Rocinante or other one) said that Romans brought NA to Iberians and extra West Asian to Northern Italians, if you notice, Italians (including those from the north) have the highest levels of West Asian in Europe on Gedmatch.

Ty for the add :)
yeah, the post roman SE iberian average is ~1/2 native iberian +1/4 roman + 1/4 NA
the NE from goth period are prob Frank or Visigoths with some native iberian admixture (they have more ENfdna than germanics and have 3 samples very celtiberian like)

this huge roman and NA dna of the s. iberia were diluted by the mix with the christians settler in pos-reconquista, who i presume were mostly descendats of Hispano-Celts as Jgab said, i think now makes more sense
after this we got some more internal migrations from the interior to the big centers and this originated modern iberians

Gallop
11-24-2022, 11:49 PM
Tongio made a post saying something like that months ago, this NA must be from Romans, Phoenicians or Carthago (or all of them).

And a former Brazilian member (i don't remember If was Rocinante or other one) said that Romans brought NA to Iberians and extra West Asian to Northern Italians, if you notice, Italians (including those from the north) have the highest levels of West Asian in Europe on Gedmatch.

It's something I don't understand how I get in Gedmatch 6.42 from West Asian when my father gets 1.41

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 11:52 PM
It's something I don't understand how I get in Gedmatch 6.42 from West Asian when my father gets 1.41

its from ur mom, no?

Jingle Bell
11-24-2022, 11:57 PM
Tongio made a post saying something like that months ago, this NA must be from Romans, Phoenicians or Carthago (or all of them).

And a former Brazilian member (i don't remember If was Rocinante or other one) said that Romans brought NA to Iberians and extra West Asian to Northern Italians, if you notice, Italians (including those from the north) have the highest levels of West Asian in Europe on Gedmatch.

Sry for ask, but u alr demonstrated u are a expert in history and genetics, what u think abt the calculator? i mean u think the results make historical sense?
i will be thankful if i got some feedback :)

Eurafricanid
11-24-2022, 11:58 PM
Now, this calculator is so good that it's a 9/10 (maybe even higher than that), tbh

Gallop
11-24-2022, 11:59 PM
its from ur mom, no?


Evident, but the Italian ancestor came out in 23andMe through my father; although I did not test my mother.

Marshall Theodore
11-25-2022, 12:04 AM
It's something I don't understand how I get in Gedmatch 6.42 from West Asian when my father gets 1.41

How much steppe you and your parents have? If your mother has more steppe, then she has more WA than your father and your 6% comes from her.

Yamnaya were at least 25% WA

Gallop
11-25-2022, 12:07 AM
How much steppe you and your parents have? If your mother has more steppe, then she has more WA than your father and your 6% comes from her.

Yamnaya were at least 25% WA

OK

Jingle Bell
11-25-2022, 12:20 AM
Now, this calculator is so good that it's a 9/10 (maybe even higher than that), tbh

Only with ur help the calc get so good :thumb001:

Beowulf
11-25-2022, 08:00 AM
https://i.imgur.com/1dDy8hv.png
damn, looks like was a huge replacement

Now i question myself, How? and Why?

then that means that the visigoths had a real impact? that would be cool

Jingle Bell
11-26-2022, 06:39 PM
then that means that the visigoths had a real impact? that would be cool

Looks like yes, not a rly huge but something visible, i think the medium impact its prob something btw 0% - 15% depending on place, looks like the East have more than West, and North have more than the South

Beowulf
02-06-2024, 12:25 PM
with real coordinates:



Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0138% / 0.01384297
36.5 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
23.1 Ancient_Iberians
21.8 Greco-Roman
14.7 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
2.0 Ancient_North_Africans
1.7 Ancient_Levant
0.2 Hispano/Para-Celts

Kess
02-06-2024, 12:32 PM
Distance to: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
0.09043265 Greco-Roman:Latin_Imperial_Average
0.09084499 Greco-Roman:GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.09539495 Greco-Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.09547058 Greco-Roman:Roman_Latin_Average
0.11760506 Greco-Roman:Greek_Colonies_Average
0.11964392 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Ashkelon_LBA
0.12457935 Greco-Roman:Ancient_Greek_Average
0.12534435 Ancient_Levant:Phoenician_Civilisation:Levant_Sido n_MBA
0.12676388 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Megiddo_IA
0.13253655 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Visigoth_Iberia
0.13262385 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinA
0.14612966 Ancient_Levant:South_Cananeite_Civilisations:Levan t_Yehud_IBA
0.14670702 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Gaul
0.15224550 Gaul_and_Early_Celts:Belgae
0.16081545 Ancient_Iberians
0.16794672 Hispano/Para-Celts
0.17176651 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi:Germanic_Migration:Sueb i
0.18869523 Arab_Al-Andalus:BedouinB
0.22391074 Ancient_North_Africans:Guanches_Average
0.22463629 Ancient_North_Africans:Fatimid_Caliphate:North_Afr ica_MA
0.35320605 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Eritrean
0.36181817 SSA:Ethiopian_Eritrea:Ethiopian
0.37222342 SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.38043703 SSA:Beta_Israel:Ethiopian_Jew
0.40337558 Native_American:North_Amerindian:Cree

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 6.5065% / 0.06506463
62.6 Greco-Roman
16.0 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
12.4 Ancient_Levant
8.2 Native_American
0.8 SSA

Kess
02-06-2024, 12:34 PM
with real coordinates:



Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0138% / 0.01384297
36.5 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
23.1 Ancient_Iberians
21.8 Greco-Roman
14.7 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
2.0 Ancient_North_Africans
1.7 Ancient_Levant
0.2 Hispano/Para-Celts

Gallop is proud of you.

:viking1:

Solitude
02-06-2024, 01:37 PM
Target: NightmareCity_scaled
Distance: 1.9856% / 0.01985620
37.0 Ancient_Iberians
20.2 Bantu-West
15.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
8.6 Ancient_North_Africans
5.8 Greco-Roman
5.8 South_Amerindian
2.4 Amerindian
2.2 Luhya_Kenya
1.4 Karitiana
0.8 Arab_Al-Andalus
0.2 Native_Brazilian

Kenshiro
02-06-2024, 03:57 PM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.1665% / 0.02166522
58.4 Greco-Roman
27.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
12.4 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
1.4 Native_American
0.8 SSA
You can call me also this
126628

CrGrt
02-07-2024, 04:44 PM
Target: CR_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.0360% / 0.01035989
31.0 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
22.6 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
18.0 Ancient_Iberians
14.4 Hispano/Para-Celts
14.0 Greco-Roman

Athalafuns
02-17-2024, 09:25 AM
Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.4891% / 0.01489106
44.4 Ancient_Iberians
19.2 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
15.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
7.2 Ancient_North_Africans
6.8 Greco-Roman
6.2 Ancient_Levant
0.4 SSA

djipon
02-17-2024, 12:34 PM
Target: djipon_scaled
Distance: 3.0514% / 0.03051432
40.8 Visigothic_Frank_and_Suebi
40.4 Greco-Roman
12.6 Gaul_and_Early_Celts
4.0 Ancient_Levant
1.8 Native_American
0.4 SSA