ANE ancestry in Andean people is as high as 42% on average

[HectorOfTroy]

Very interesting looking faces

https://culturavivaperu.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Sustainable-Tourism-Peru.jpg
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https://www.aracari.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/CCAC0ACD-4CE8-40C0-8DEC-1DA31F9538B0.jpeg

[ecptr]

What is the other 58% ?

[HectorOfTroy]

What is the other 58% ?

some archaic form of mongoloid

[Xacal]

Pseudo-Armenoid looking

[Marshall Theodore]

Both ANE and modern Andean people are mixed, the first one were far removed from both East and West Eurasian, but definitely not caucasoid.

[axel.aleman]

Pseudo-Armenoid looking

Yeah

[axel.aleman]

Eso explica su cráneo mesocefalico en promedio

[HectorOfTroy]

Both ANE and modern Andean people are mixed, the first one were far removed from both East and West Eurasian, but definitely not caucasoid.

Wrong. Tarim Basin mummies are ANE. They are caucasoids. Or else why do first wave native americans have much more caucasoid features than say the inuit who were influenced by later modern asian migrations.

[HectorOfTroy]

Both ANE and modern Andean people are mixed, the first one were far removed from both East and West Eurasian, but definitely not caucasoid.

Well it depends how far back you are willing to consider ANE and on the individual. Some ANE were probably more admixed with East Asian than others. And the ANE that were of haplogroup P (extremely old) were probably neither fully caucasoid nor fully mongoloid. I am referring to the ones that were present at the time that native americans mixed with (10-15k) and of haplogroup R (the original carrier of Q might've been ANE as well but I dont know)

[Marshall Theodore]

Wrong. Tarim Basin mummies are ANE. They are caucasoids. Or else why do first wave native americans have much more caucasoid features than say the inuit who were influenced by later modern asian migrations.

About ANE

These people haven't read the papers. It is clear that ANE is overwhelmingly derived from a clade basal to Kostenki14 and Sunghir, with an additional of 20% East Eurasian admixture related to Tianyuan.

[HectorOfTroy]

About ANE

Yes they are not pure caucasoids/undilluted with east asian. But they are caucasoids overall most likley, or else why do first wave native americans, US native tribes of those dry places and people such as andeans and some tehuelches look quite caucasoid? The only DNA remotley close to european that could've been in first wave native americans would be from ANE, since ANE are genetically much closer to modern europeans than modern east asians. (The theory that caucasoid DNA in paleoamericans is from continental europeans is history stealing low-IQ garbage, It's obviously from ANE, since they lived in close proximity back in Siberia)

https://i.postimg.cc/FRgcvWpF/20638319-1503668986336136-6963787663552552605-n.jpg

Look at Spirit Cave man, Kennewick, Horn Shelter, Paracas/Caral, and the mound builders.

[Marshall Theodore]

Yes they are not pure caucasoids/undilluted with east asian. But they are caucasoids overall most likley, or else why do first wave native americans, US native tribes of those dry places and people such as andeans and some tehuelches look quite caucasoid? The only DNA remotley close to european that could've been in first wave native americans would be from ANE, since ANE are genetically much closer to modern europeans than modern east asians. (The theory that caucasoid DNA in paleoamericans is from continental europeans is history stealing low-IQ garbage, It's obviously from ANE, since they lived in close proximity back in Siberia)

https://i.postimg.cc/FRgcvWpF/20638319-1503668986336136-6963787663552552605-n.jpg

Look at Spirit Cave man, Kennewick, Horn Shelter, Paracas/Caral, and the mound builders.

yep, that's what i meant, ANE werent pure caucasoid, but mixed and closer to west eurasians.

If im not mistaken, Dodecad V3 models ANE as 70% West Eurasian + 30% East Eurasian, equivalent to a modern castizo.

[Melonman]

some of them look like afghans

[Donhueas]

I'm not sure, but I think I've read that the first wave of Amerindians was similar to the Melanesians, lagid type.

[Donhueas]

Eso explica su cráneo mesocefalico en promedio

Almost all Andid-pueblidsskulls are Brachycephalic (some ultra-extreme)

[Donhueas]

Yes they are not pure caucasoids/undilluted with east asian. But they are caucasoids overall most likley, or else why do first wave native americans, US native tribes of those dry places and people such as andeans and some tehuelches look quite caucasoid? The only DNA remotley close to european that could've been in first wave native americans would be from ANE, since ANE are genetically much closer to modern europeans than modern east asians. (The theory that caucasoid DNA in paleoamericans is from continental europeans is history stealing low-IQ garbage, It's obviously from ANE, since they lived in close proximity back in Siberia)

https://i.postimg.cc/FRgcvWpF/20638319-1503668986336136-6963787663552552605-n.jpg

Look at Spirit Cave man, Kennewick, Horn Shelter, Paracas/Caral, and the mound builders.

WowCaral Man doesn't look like Amerindian, it looks like something in between ANE and Amerindian

[Zanzibar]

Wrong. Tarim Basin mummies are ANE. They are caucasoids. Or else why do first wave native americans have much more caucasoid features than say the inuit who were influenced by later modern asian migrations.

Indeed they are Caucasoids but Tarim Mummies have around 10-20% additional Eastern Asian input though despite being 80-90% ANE. And if ANE is around 75% Western Eurasian and 25% Eastern Eurasian, that could mean that they are closer to 60-68% Western and 32-40% Eastern. Thus, the reverse of Kyrgyz and Kazakh in terms of Mongoloidness-Caucasoidness.

On a Global East-West PCA, Tarim mummies were a bit more eastern-shifted than the Uzbeks who are close to being 40% Mongoloid.

[Applesandoranges]

interesting

[HectorOfTroy]

Indeed they are Caucasoids but Tarim Mummies have around 10-20% additional Eastern Asian input though despite being 80-90% ANE. And if ANE is around 75% Western Eurasian and 25% Eastern Eurasian, that could mean that they are closer to 60-68% Western and 32-40% Eastern. Thus, the reverse of Kyrgyz and Kazakh in terms of Mongoloidness-Caucasoidness.

On a Global East-West PCA, Tarim mummies were a bit more eastern-shifted than the Uzbeks who are close to being 40% Mongoloid.

Where'd you see that. Tarim mummies do not even look mongoloid at all.

[Donhueas]

Where'd you see that. Tarim mummies do not even look mongoloid at all.

Why don't they look mongoloids? (Honest question)

[HectorOfTroy]

Why don't they look mongoloids? (Honest question)

Have you not seen pics? What about them looks mongoloid. High and prominent rounded cheekbones is not exclusively a mongoloid trait, every race has a phenotype or two that has high prominent rounded cheekbones.

prominent sharp nose, prominent mid face, pointy chin, eyes are not wide set, eyes are deep set, rectangular eye sockets, eyes don't appear to have an epicanthic fold either. Combination of all these traits is definitely not mongoloid. They look like non-baltid slavs/some russians, which is pretty close to what they are genetically.

[HannibaltheGreat]

Yes they are not pure caucasoids/undilluted with east asian. But they are caucasoids overall most likley, or else why do first wave native americans, US native tribes of those dry places and people such as andeans and some tehuelches look quite caucasoid? The only DNA remotley close to european that could've been in first wave native americans would be from ANE, since ANE are genetically much closer to modern europeans than modern east asians. (The theory that caucasoid DNA in paleoamericans is from continental europeans is history stealing low-IQ garbage, It's obviously from ANE, since they lived in close proximity back in Siberia)

https://i.postimg.cc/FRgcvWpF/20638319-1503668986336136-6963787663552552605-n.jpg

Look at Spirit Cave man, Kennewick, Horn Shelter, Paracas/Caral, and the mound builders.Naia looks black. Like a san woman. And luzia also. This is weird.

But the others do look asiatic siberian.

[Zanzibar]

Where'd you see that. Tarim mummies do not even look mongoloid at all.

Only in terms of genetics. My bad, Tarim Mummies are as Caucasoid as the average Bashkir and Uzbek who are around 35-40% East Eurasian. Look at this PCA and where the mummies (Tarim Basin EMBA) are plotted:
https://i.imgur.com/77SGlTU.png

Phenotype wise, they do look vaguely Caucasoid or Europid indeed. But genotype does not equal phenotype.

[Immanenz]

Have you not seen pics? What about them looks mongoloid. High and prominent rounded cheekbones is not exclusively a mongoloid trait, every race has a phenotype or two that has high prominent rounded cheekbones.

prominent sharp nose, prominent mid face, pointy chin, eyes are not wide set, eyes are deep set, rectangular eye sockets, eyes don't appear to have an epicanthic fold either. Combination of all these traits is definitely not mongoloid. They look like non-baltid slavs/some russians, which is pretty close to what they are genetically.

It will show on soft tissue features for sure- like eye shape. (maybe not on eveybody but on many) Not necessary canthal folds though, but enough to make them look not fully Caucasian

also she aproached Central Asian looks for example:
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[Petalpusher]

Yeah even some Mansi can look quite Caucasian/West Eurasian at first glance, yet they are more Mongoloid shifted than Tarim, so no surprise some might have looked like that. Overall they were leaning a bit more towards West Eurasian, some more or less than other phenotypically as usual.

[HannibaltheGreat]

Feels good be a quarter andean. [emoji41]
Ancestral North Eurasian

[HelloGuys]

Source?

[HectorOfTroy]

Source?

Wikipedia. Although ANE themselves were something like 1/4 mongoloid. Which makes Andean DNA more like 1/3 non mongoloid, somewhat fitting considering the looks of some of them.

[Roy]

Wrong. Tarim Basin mummies are ANE. They are caucasoids. Or else why do first wave native americans have much more caucasoid features than say the inuit who were influenced by later modern asian migrations.

How much ANE Inuits have?

[HectorOfTroy]

How much ANE Inuits have?

idk. probably pretty low


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[prohairesis]

Highest ANE in the world is found in brazilids like Karitiana and they look like this:

https://racismoambiental.net.br/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/gumercindo-2-750x410.jpg
https://s2.glbimg.com/MWoZ1EO1mYVoofi9qo2kgGSWwfs=/0x0:1199x652/984x0/smart/filters:strip_icc()/i.s3.glbimg.com/v1/AUTH_59edd422c0c84a879bd37670ae4f538a/internal_photos/bs/2019/L/l/U2Mo9mQBA6ts6CzHnfqg/sesc-divulgacao.png

Brazilids were also the first wave to cross, and most of them basically look like tanned 100% Mongoloids with huge heads, flat faces and noses, huge cheekbones.

Andids' narrow features were probably the result of selection due to their harsh environment, such features are definitely the exception among native Americans.

[Zanzibar]

Highest ANE in the world is found in brazilids like Karitiana and they look like this:

https://racismoambiental.net.br/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/gumercindo-2-750x410.jpg
https://s2.glbimg.com/MWoZ1EO1mYVoofi9qo2kgGSWwfs=/0x0:1199x652/984x0/smart/filters:strip_icc()/i.s3.glbimg.com/v1/AUTH_59edd422c0c84a879bd37670ae4f538a/internal_photos/bs/2019/L/l/U2Mo9mQBA6ts6CzHnfqg/sesc-divulgacao.png

Brazilids were also the first wave to cross, and most of them basically look like tanned 100% Mongoloids with huge heads, flat faces and noses, huge cheekbones.

Andids' narrow features were probably the result of selection due to their harsh environment, such features are definitely the exception among native Americans.

From what I have noticed, some Pueblids of Central Mexico and Plain Indians can have such traits as well.

[Italicus]

Native Americans are essentially mixed race.

[HectorOfTroy]

Highest ANE in the world is found in brazilids like Karitiana and they look like this:

https://racismoambiental.net.br/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/gumercindo-2-750x410.jpg
https://s2.glbimg.com/MWoZ1EO1mYVoofi9qo2kgGSWwfs=/0x0:1199x652/984x0/smart/filters:strip_icc()/i.s3.glbimg.com/v1/AUTH_59edd422c0c84a879bd37670ae4f538a/internal_photos/bs/2019/L/l/U2Mo9mQBA6ts6CzHnfqg/sesc-divulgacao.png

Brazilids were also the first wave to cross, and most of them basically look like tanned 100% Mongoloids with huge heads, flat faces and noses, huge cheekbones.

Andids' narrow features were probably the result of selection due to their harsh environment, such features are definitely the exception among native Americans.

Those guys are said to be ~ 44% (ish) percent on average, still majority mongoloid so the mongoloid features are going to be stronger. Compared to pure mongoloids this guy (top) has more protrusive midface and cheekbones

[HectorOfTroy]

Native Americans are essentially mixed race.

Most of them are like 20-30% ANE i think (average European is like 15-20%), some look really asian, others barely look monogoloid at all (talking about pure-mostly pure ones in terms of colonial admix) (this is rarer than the former though)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFAx6uUwFZWuqzJm-o85CdzS9YKIGB7JkO7Q&usqp=CAU

I wonder if the original carrier of y dna Q was ANE, or some kind of proto-mongoloid, or maybe neither (like too old to be classified into any living group)

My personal prediction is that the Q-patriarch was a more asian shifted ANE compared to the ANE that R came out of.

[Zanzibar]

Those guys are said to be ~ 44% (ish) percent on average, still majority mongoloid so the mongoloid features are going to be stronger. Compared to pure mongoloids this guy (top) has more protrusive midface and cheekbones

They are supposed to be approx 44%ish ANE along with Andeans who are 42% ANE+ although I think Andeans should have higher ANE than Amazonians based on how they look compared to the former, but in various PCAs, Amerindians behave more like 33-35% ANE aka 22-23% Western Eurasian/Caucasoid than 40%+ ANE population based on how they plotted even more eastern of Altaians who are around 25-27% West Eurasian. If they are around 40%+ ANE, they will plot with the Kyrgyz who are around 30% Western Eurasian. But maybe its the extreme genetic drift in American Indians that make them seem more Eastern Eurasian in PCAs than they really are.

https://i.imgur.com/SOtXkkq.png