Classify these European looking girls from Gilgit Baltistan Pakistan

[Oliver109]

Where do they pass best individually or as a group?
Caucasus
Balkans
Turkey
Iberia
Italy
Lebanon
Syria


https://scontent-lcy1-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/12065675_1687132064839089_2976335597134607577_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=e_aTQjkzObwAX89wbz9&tn=tyCTRxbOrXThh_OL&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-2.xx&oh=00_AfCZSUshTyjiskXzWwfjzwHJUWTRcsB8UTVPDBHOIaen aw&oe=63B42744

[Marshall Theodore]

European looking???

Pass better in Caucasus

[Avicenna]

They don't look European , rather there are many other ethnic groups they resemble before you get to Europe proper . Can they pass as European individually? Yes most likely in Bulgaria , Albania etc .

[Jingle Bell]

They look Caucasian imo

[Cristiano viejo]

UK, since Pakis already even rule Britain and is their homeland.

[Oliver109]

They don't look European , rather there are many other ethnic groups they resemble before you get to Europe proper . Can they pass as European individually? Yes most likely in Bulgaria , Albania etc .

Individuals don't but some seem more like tanned Whites one often would see in Greece etc the complexion isn't uneuropean at least by S Euro and even E Euro standards.

[Oliver109]

UK, since Pakis already even rule Britain and is their homeland.

I wish, our Pakistanis look more like this:
https://live.staticflickr.com/3369/3491848697_b227df400d_b.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

I wish, our Pakistanis look more like this:

I dont wish anything, it is a fact.

[Avicenna]

Individuals don't but some seem more like tanned Whites one often would see in Greece etc the complexion isn't uneuropean at least by S Euro and even E Euro standards.

These kids from KPk look more passing in euro places but still they pass Alot better in caucasus I reckon

https://i.ibb.co/cvHP410/Screenshot-20221204-141502.jpg (https://ibb.co/VNZdftR)

[Avicenna]

I wish, our Pakistanis look more like this:
https://live.staticflickr.com/3369/3491848697_b227df400d_b.jpg

No way lol, I know a shit load of pakis ( mirpuris Punjabis ) and they don't look like this , atleast majority of them don't . They have a distinct Indus look , these women look central / south Indian .

[Oliver109]

These kids from KPk look more passing in euro places but still they pass Alot better in caucasus I reckon

https://i.ibb.co/cvHP410/Screenshot-20221204-141502.jpg (https://ibb.co/VNZdftR)

Very mixed looks, boy looks like a young Imran Khan, girl below him looks quite British i.e brunnish, other girls look more mixed or S Euro.

[Cristiano viejo]

These kids from KPk look more passing in euro places but still they pass Alot better in caucasus I reckon

https://i.ibb.co/cvHP410/Screenshot-20221204-141502.jpg (https://ibb.co/VNZdftR)

Agreed, they all pass in UK. The man included.

[Avicenna]

Agreed, they all pass in UK. The man included.

The man is from London funny enough lol

[Eurafricanid]

They past in Caucasus and Iran the most

[Melonman]

these kids are 100% wakhis, pamiris who are most related to other pamiris from badakhshan, tajikstan.
Only 1 of the girls look euro, but the rest look like they can pass in turkey and caucasus.

[Melonman]

These kids from KPk look more passing in euro places but still they pass Alot better in caucasus I reckon

https://i.ibb.co/cvHP410/Screenshot-20221204-141502.jpg (https://ibb.co/VNZdftR)

i assume this is in chitral, right?

East iranic women and girls of badakhshan and of pamiri descent in general looks so euro(lots of them do though, others more like turkish)

[tk'es]

what part of caucasus are you talking about? they'd be mistaken either for gypsies or uzbeks in north caucasus, not sure about transcaucasus

[Avicenna]

i assume this is in chitral, right?

East iranic women and girls of badakhshan and of pamiri descent in general looks so euro(lots of them do though, others more like turkish)

You are very particular with your way of words , why do you keep mentiong pamiris wakhis etc but not tajiks or pashtuns ? Those looks among the children are found even in the southern deepest parts of Afghanistan where they live in vast lands with temperatures over 40C

Helmand

https://i.ibb.co/crMFSHm/Screenshot-20221204-175641.jpg (https://ibb.co/S3Wn48L)
https://i.ibb.co/mvsXRMM/Screenshot-20221204-175551.jpg (https://ibb.co/n32nw55)
https://i.ibb.co/9GcZYJs/Screenshot-20221204-175608.jpg (https://ibb.co/qx7J1zk)
https://i.ibb.co/F7Skw9j/Screenshot-20221204-175630.jpg (https://ibb.co/WKbNyQY)

Kandahar

https://i.ibb.co/pX1nV5m/Screenshot-20221204-175333-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/WKHs8jT)
https://i.ibb.co/Bnm79Rp/Screenshot-20221204-175353-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/0skWx37)
https://i.ibb.co/J7Z1M7N/Screenshot-20221204-175408-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/mqpjMqm)
https://i.ibb.co/3Rvjt8k/Screenshot-20221204-175204-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/wc7PDbY)
https://i.ibb.co/svDRRNP/Screenshot-20221204-175258-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/0jW226X)
https://i.ibb.co/B4XZJgZ/Screenshot-20221204-175320-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/rbC6hZ6)
https://i.ibb.co/BwMsbxM/Screenshot-20221204-175423-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/XVRJ1gR)

Let alone in the mountains of Afghanistan where pashtuns / tajiks / nuristanis / pashayis inhabit

https://i.ibb.co/zrpbNBN/Screenshot-20221204-181303-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/9N62G1G)

Laghman, east afghanistan ( I think )


https://youtu.be/QAvP1-cAIy8

Kabul ( a melting pot of afghan ethnicities)


https://youtu.be/fkDOXAv1jnQ

Wardak


https://youtu.be/sgWz-VyuCrY

Kapisa


https://youtu.be/U4ITZcSamig

Just a side note , all of these people including the euro passing ones will always be foreign to Europe , because their culture , way of life , traditions and everything in between is foreign to any European country .

[Rumata]

Isn't Baltistan in north-eastern Europe?

[Avicenna]

Isn't Baltistan in north-eastern Europe?

That's Baltic's

[Avicenna]

Isn't Baltistan in north-eastern Europe?

That's Baltic's

[Rumata]

That's Baltic's
Yes. The great place. Very free and democratic.

[Melonman]

You are very particular with your way of words , why do you keep mentiong pamiris wakhis etc but not tajiks or pashtuns ? Those looks among the children are found even in the southern deepest parts of Afghanistan where they live in vast lands with temperatures over 40C

Helmand

https://i.ibb.co/crMFSHm/Screenshot-20221204-175641.jpg (https://ibb.co/S3Wn48L)
https://i.ibb.co/mvsXRMM/Screenshot-20221204-175551.jpg (https://ibb.co/n32nw55)
https://i.ibb.co/9GcZYJs/Screenshot-20221204-175608.jpg (https://ibb.co/qx7J1zk)
https://i.ibb.co/F7Skw9j/Screenshot-20221204-175630.jpg (https://ibb.co/WKbNyQY)

Kandahar

https://i.ibb.co/pX1nV5m/Screenshot-20221204-175333-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/WKHs8jT)
https://i.ibb.co/Bnm79Rp/Screenshot-20221204-175353-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/0skWx37)
https://i.ibb.co/J7Z1M7N/Screenshot-20221204-175408-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/mqpjMqm)
https://i.ibb.co/3Rvjt8k/Screenshot-20221204-175204-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/wc7PDbY)
https://i.ibb.co/svDRRNP/Screenshot-20221204-175258-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/0jW226X)
https://i.ibb.co/B4XZJgZ/Screenshot-20221204-175320-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/rbC6hZ6)
https://i.ibb.co/BwMsbxM/Screenshot-20221204-175423-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/XVRJ1gR)

Let alone in the mountains of Afghanistan where pashtuns / tajiks / nuristanis / pashayis inhabit

https://i.ibb.co/zrpbNBN/Screenshot-20221204-181303-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/9N62G1G)

Laghman, east afghanistan ( I think )


https://youtu.be/QAvP1-cAIy8

Kabul ( a melting pot of afghan ethnicities)


https://youtu.be/fkDOXAv1jnQ

Wardak


https://youtu.be/sgWz-VyuCrY

Kapisa


https://youtu.be/U4ITZcSamig

Just a side note , all of these people including the euro passing ones will always be foreign to Europe , because their culture , way of life , traditions and everything in between is foreign to any European country .

double

[Melonman]

You are very particular with your way of words , why do you keep mentiong pamiris wakhis etc but not tajiks or pashtuns ? Those looks among the children are found even in the southern deepest parts of Afghanistan where they live in vast lands with temperatures over 40C

Helmand

https://i.ibb.co/crMFSHm/Screenshot-20221204-175641.jpg (https://ibb.co/S3Wn48L)
https://i.ibb.co/mvsXRMM/Screenshot-20221204-175551.jpg (https://ibb.co/n32nw55)
https://i.ibb.co/9GcZYJs/Screenshot-20221204-175608.jpg (https://ibb.co/qx7J1zk)
https://i.ibb.co/F7Skw9j/Screenshot-20221204-175630.jpg (https://ibb.co/WKbNyQY)

Kandahar

https://i.ibb.co/pX1nV5m/Screenshot-20221204-175333-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/WKHs8jT)
https://i.ibb.co/Bnm79Rp/Screenshot-20221204-175353-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/0skWx37)
https://i.ibb.co/J7Z1M7N/Screenshot-20221204-175408-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/mqpjMqm)
https://i.ibb.co/3Rvjt8k/Screenshot-20221204-175204-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/wc7PDbY)
https://i.ibb.co/svDRRNP/Screenshot-20221204-175258-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/0jW226X)
https://i.ibb.co/B4XZJgZ/Screenshot-20221204-175320-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/rbC6hZ6)
https://i.ibb.co/BwMsbxM/Screenshot-20221204-175423-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/XVRJ1gR)

Let alone in the mountains of Afghanistan where pashtuns / tajiks / nuristanis / pashayis inhabit

https://i.ibb.co/zrpbNBN/Screenshot-20221204-181303-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/9N62G1G)

Laghman, east afghanistan ( I think )


https://youtu.be/QAvP1-cAIy8

Kabul ( a melting pot of afghan ethnicities)


https://youtu.be/fkDOXAv1jnQ

Wardak


https://youtu.be/sgWz-VyuCrY

Kapisa


https://youtu.be/U4ITZcSamig

Just a side note , all of these people including the euro passing ones will always be foreign to Europe , because their culture , way of life , traditions and everything in between is foreign to any European country .

I already thought that was the case for shamali tajiks too(just didnt mentio), i seen pics of them, their children looks very pamiri or chechen often. Just saw even more pamiris look like that.

But i have seen pics of pashtuns too. I dont remember this many look like that.

https://www.dawnnews.tv/news/1007198
https://www.sbs.com.au/language/pashto/en/podcast-episode/in-kpk-pakistan-nearly-2-5-million-pashtun-kids-are-out-of-schools/yqz8skqtz
https://twitter.com/PenPath1/status/1585343985518022656
https://twitter.com/matiullahwesa/status/1444752315999686658


The one with the kuchi is more suprising to me, since all the kids look like that, whereas the helmand one, around half of them look like that. I havent seen pics where all pashtun kids look like that.
i havent seen as many pashtun kids looking like that in one pic, this is why i asked if this was in chitral


Either way, i havent seen pics of group of pashtun women look like the one in OP, and especially like this:

https://www.facebook.com/ucentralasia/posts/pfbid0vgJFrLQcCAXXboYLuY6SYZsHA9jqdmuU95pcTE6MXFuk qaMqRhtvQhuCSDB6SbCXl


But i guess i cant really judge, since i havent seen enough pics of pashtun women(except ones from pakistan, and thats barely) look like the pamiris in the link?

[Oliver109]

Isn't Baltistan in north-eastern Europe?

No, Birmingham, home of the Balti curry

[Oliver109]

Isn't Baltistan in north-eastern Europe?

No, Birmingham, home of the Balti curry

[Avicenna]

Isn't Baltistan in north-eastern Europe?

That's Baltic's

[Rumata]

No, Birmingham, home of the Balti curry
My bad. I always forget where Birmingham is :D

[Rumata]

Turkey.

[Marshall Theodore]

Isn't Baltistan in north-eastern Europe?

Baltistan?

[Rumata]

Baltistan?
I mistakingly thought it was there but now I'm advised it's in Birmingham / Britain.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Estonia-latvia-lithuania-in-northern-europe.png

[tk'es]

https://youtu.be/U4ITZcSamig

Just a side note , all of these people including the euro passing ones will always be foreign to Europe , because their culture , way of life , traditions and everything in between is foreign to any European country .




astonishing, magnificent, impressive video. pamir-fergana phenotype has definitely a close tie with kavkazid

[Avicenna]

astonishing, magnificent, impressive video. pamir-fergana phenotype has definitely a close tie with kavkazid

These people are not pamiris . Kapisa is mainly a pashtun , Tajik and a pashayi province . Purely iranic no Turkic /Mongols.

[Melonman]

These people are not pamiris . Kapisa is mainly a pashtun , Tajik and a pashayi province . Purely iranic no Turkic /Mongols.

pashayis arent exactly iranic. And i assume kapisa tajiks are a mix of persianised parachis and pashayis.
But i know what you mean. Just say aryan then.

[tk'es]

These people are not pamiris . Kapisa is mainly a pashtun , Tajik and a pashayi province . Purely iranic no Turkic /Mongols.



they are not pamiris, but pamiro-fergana race is what widely spread and native in those areas.. turkic/mongols are surely recent foreigners who moved to there

[Avicenna]

pashayis arent exactly iranic. And i assume kapisa tajiks are a mix of persianised parachis and pashayis.
But i know what you mean. Just say aryan then.

Pashayis are iranic in Origin, are Hungarians Turkic just because of their language ? Also, parachis were also eastern iranics . The term Tajik especially in the region's of panjshir, Kapisa panjshir etc are descendants of eastern Iranians like the pashtuns whose ancestors decided to switch to Persian .

[Melonman]

Pashayis are iranic in Origin, are Hungarians Turkic just because of their language ? Also, parachis were also eastern iranics . The term Tajik especially in the region's of panjshir, Kapisa panjshir etc are descendants of eastern Iranians like the pashtuns whose ancestors decided to switch to Persian .

I know parachis are east iranic, i meant that tajiks in kapisa would be persianised pashais and parachis, so also non-iranics

where you get from that pashayis are iranic in origin?

[Avicenna]

I know parachis are east iranic, i meant that tajiks in kapisa would be persianised pashais and parachis, so also non-iranics

where you get from that pashayis are iranic in origin?

What do you mean non iranics ? Where are you getting the idea that tajiks of Kapisa were persianised pashayis when Kapisa have their own community of pashayis? Where's the logic ? The term Tajik is very broad anyways which is why most tajiks refer to where they are from rather than say they are Tajik .

[Colan]

Surely they could pass as southern Europeans, although some deny it

[Melonman]

What do you mean non iranics ? Where are you getting the idea that tajiks of Kapisa were persianised pashayis when Kapisa have their own community of pashayis? Where's the logic ? The term Tajik is very broad anyways which is why most tajiks refer to where they are from rather than say they are Tajik .

Non-iranic as in nuristani and indo-aryan(in case of pashayis, indo-aryans, though apparently they were supposed to be their own classifiction according to linguists).
Kapisa today also got their own parachis, though no more than few villages, i dont see why its impossible for some tajiks to be persianised pashayis? I got this info from a kapisa tajik, regarding kapisa still having some few parachis left. Half of herat is pashtun, yet a handfull of pashtuns are persianised and now considered tajiks.



Apart from sarikolis and few wakhis, i havent heard anyone else refer themselves as tajik, and not been persianised completely.
Again, where did you get from that pashayis are from iranic origins?

[Avicenna]

Non-iranic as in nuristani and indo-aryan(in case of pashayis, indo-aryans, though apparently they were supposed to be their own classifiction according to linguists).
Kapisa today also got their own parachis, though no more than few villages, i dont see why its impossible for some tajiks to be persianised pashayis? I got this info from a kapisa tajik, regarding kapisa still having some few parachis left. Half of herat is pashtun, yet a handfull of pashtuns are persianised and now considered tajiks.



Apart from sarikolis and few wakhis, i havent heard anyone else refer themselves as tajik, and not been persianised completely.
Again, where did you get from that pashayis are from iranic origins?

Maybe because there are still pashayis to this day in Kapisa ? Persianised parachis ? Most likely . Pashayis ? Provide your evidence.

[Melonman]

Maybe because there are still pashayis to this day in Kapisa ? Persianised parachis ? Most likely . Pashayis ? Provide your evidence.

I have no evidence yet that any tajik are of pashayi origin, just like i dont have exactly of parachi origin either(except that there are barely any parachis yet)

But unless pashayis recently arrived to Kapisa, or people of pashayi origin(in case if pashayis are native to Kapisa) lived in districts that werent persianised, i dont see how there arent tajiks of pashayi origin?

[Demhat]

Between South Caucasus and Iran(more so North and West Iran)

[Demhat]

astonishing, magnificent, impressive video. pamir-fergana phenotype has definitely a close tie with kavkazid


I think if it wasn't for the noticeable ASI admixture, these people would collectively fit good into the Caucasus. But how they are here they look like South shifted slightly admixed Caucasians. Some look fully Caucasian while in other the ASI is little noticeable. It's almost like the Indo-Iranic core of these people was Caspian&Caucasus like.

[Melonman]

I think if it wasn't for the noticeable ASI admixture, these people would collectively fit good into the Caucasus. But how they are here they look like South shifted slightly admixed Caucasians. Some look fully Caucasian while in other the ASI is little noticeable. It's almost like the Indo-Iranic core of these people was Caspian&Caucasus like.

Its rather the fact that these people are part local chitrali(dardic muslim, indo-aryan type, but not like punjabis. More like kalash) that can make some of them look more like that.

More pure pamiris from khorog, badakhshan, tajikstan, often look azeri, almost all of them

[Hungarian_master]

They look rather Pamiri than European.

[Melonman]

They look rather Pamiri than European.

They are pamiris

[Avicenna]

I think if it wasn't for the noticeable ASI admixture, these people would collectively fit good into the Caucasus. But how they are here they look like South shifted slightly admixed Caucasians. Some look fully Caucasian while in other the ASI is little noticeable. It's almost like the Indo-Iranic core of these people was Caspian&Caucasus like.
If you are referring to the video I posted , I think it's more Iranian neolithic adnxuire that gives them a southern shifted look of caucasus , not ASI since nobody in that video passes beyond the indus .

https://i.ibb.co/x3bCBmR/Screenshot-20221022-220606-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/st4mN5M)
https://i.ibb.co/FnCpttG/Screenshot-20221022-220459-com-google-android-youtube.jpg (https://ibb.co/pn5qppC)
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[Avicenna]

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[Demhat]

If you are referring to the video I posted , I think it's more Iranian neolithic adnxuire that gives them a southern shifted look of caucasus , not ASI since nobody in that video passes beyond the indus .

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I didn't said they would pass below the Indus River. Maybe I was not clear enough in my wording. I meant what makes them unique slightly distinct from looking like typical Caucasians(Caucasus) is possibly down to that ASI admixture which gives them their unique look. Definitely not Indian but also slightly different from Caucasians. Let me use a analogy. Turks look mostly like other West Asians but there is something that gives them a unique look which the Turks and others can spot. It is the little East Asian admixture. That doesn't mean any of them could pass as a real Mongolian, Chinese or even Kazakh.

Without knowing where they are from. If someone asked me if they are from below the Indus River or let's say Iran, Caucasus, Iraq or Turkey. And these were my only options. I would always chose the latter once without a doubt.

[Demhat]

I have seen enough Pashtuns, Tajiks, Punjabis and other Indian types. Especially in the Gym.

I can comfortably say that the claim there is more physical overlap between Punjabis and Pashtuns/Tajiks than to West Asian populations is absolutely a joke.

I have seen more Afghans which I confused even for Arabs than South Asians. Of course there were some exceptions.

However Punjabis and other Indian types I could almost always tell straight away that they are South Asians.

[Avicenna]

I didn't said they would pass below the Indus River. Maybe I was not clear enough in my wording. I meant what makes them unique slightly distinct from looking like typical Caucasians(Caucasus) is possibly down to that ASI admixture which gives them their unique look. Definitely not Indian but also slightly different from Caucasians. Let me use a analogy. Turks look mostly like other West Asians but there is something that gives them a unique look which the Turks and others can spot. It is the little East Asian admixture. That doesn't mean any of them could pass as a real Mongolian, Chinese or even Kazakh.

Without knowing where they are from. If someone asked me if they are from below the Indus River or let's say Iran, Caucasus, Iraq or Turkey. And these were my only options. I would always chose the latter once without a doubt.

I get it but maybe not ASI rather BMAC?

[Avicenna]

I have seen enough Pashtuns, Tajiks, Punjabis and other Indian types. Especially in the Gym.

I can comfortably say that the claim there is more physical overlap between Punjabis and Pashtuns/Tajiks than to West Asian populations is absolutely a joke.

I have seen more Afghans which I confused even for Arabs than South Asians. Of course there were some exceptions.

However Punjabis and other Indian types I could almost always tell straight away that they are South Asians.

Yeah I think that's a given , most people are just too ignorant and think Afghanistan// Pakistan . The afghans in my gym , myself included , except one guy , who I must admit I'm still convinced is a Pak pashtun because he looks super Pakistani / Punjabi , do not pass beyond the indus . From memory the afghans in my gym have brown / dark brown hair , pale / light olive skin with brown / green /blue eyes . Ironically , the other day I met two Iranians and a part of our convo was afghans , and they noted that they never realised afghan pashtuns ans tajiks looked so similar to them becauss they were exposed to hazaras. One was a kurd and the other was from gilan.

Btw , if you come across mestizo / mexican looking afghans , these people ARE NOT INDEGINOUS FULLY. I can see why people always alienate afghans because those phenotypes are truly alien .

[Demhat]

I get it but maybe not ASI rather BMAC?


Where the ASI came from is unimportant. It's the ASI I think.
BMAC is a ancient Bronze Age culture not really one of the ancestral genetic components. Proto BMAC was predominantly Iran-Chalcolithic from what I know. But some outlier individuals had Indus Valley (Iran-Neo+ ASI) admixture and are believed to have been Harrapa migrants. The large majority of the samples from BMAC where simply Iran-Chalcolithic with some extra Iran_Neolithic and Steppe admixture.

ASI, Iran-Meso/Neo, Anatolian Neo, EHG. WHG are the ancestral components I talk about.

[dviz]

none of them look European

[Demhat]

Yeah I think that's a given , most people are just too ignorant and think Afghanistan// Pakistan . The afghans in my gym , myself included , except one guy , who I must admit I'm still convinced is a Pak pashtun because he looks super Pakistani / Punjabi , do not pass beyond the indus . From memory the afghans in my gym have brown / dark brown hair , pale / light olive skin with brown / green /blue eyes . Ironically , the other day I met two Iranians and a part of our convo was afghans , and they noted that they never realised afghan pashtuns ans tajiks looked so similar to them becauss they were exposed to hazaras. One was a kurd and the other was from gilan.

Btw , if you come across mestizo / mexican looking afghans , these people ARE NOT INDEGINOUS FULLY. I can see why people always alienate afghans because those phenotypes are truly alien .

Most of the Tajik, Pashtuns here have dark hair and eyes. But their facial structure and even physics (body) is different from the Indian/Punjabi persons.

Some of the Afghans also have very curly Levant/Arabian like hair. which made me confuse them first for some sort of Jordanians, Palistinians or Egyptians.

I actually mistook once one of the other Afghans for a Kurd.

There are also Hazaras around here. They usually look like Tajiks or Pashtuns crossed with some Kazakh blood.

[AA_Excellence]

UK, since Pakis already even rule Britain and is their homeland.

Don't you ever get tired of being a jerk? All these threads about Spaniards being dark are must be getting to you.

[Rumata]

Hungarian isn't Turkic. It belongs to the same group they use in the Baltistanian province of Estonia.

[Avicenna]

Most of the Tajik, Pashtuns here have dark hair and eyes. But their facial structure and even physics (body) is different from the Indian/Punjabi persons.

Some of the Afghans also have very curly Levant/Arabian like hair. which made me confuse them first for some sort of Jordanians, Palistinians or Egyptians.

I actually mistook once one of the other Afghans for a Kurd.

There are also Hazaras around here. They usually look like Tajiks or Pashtuns crossed with some Kazakh blood.

Which region are you talking about if you don't mind me asking ?

[Grace O'Malley]

Where do they pass best individually or as a group?
Caucasus
Balkans
Turkey
Iberia
Italy
Lebanon
Syria


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They are children. Children's features aren't fully formed. Children no matter where they are from have more rounded features that change when they mature.

[turbosat]

i mean... i don't have south asian genes, but i look very south asian/Indian. What do you think?

You do have a resemblance towards Indian/South Asian but your face is wide compared to most South Asians/Indians who might otherwise look kind of like you.

[turbosat]

Wtf...
what does it mean? my face is not very wide

If my face wasn't wide, I might be typical all over India. are you trying to say that?

I didn't say you look typical all over India. By most, I meant only those who might look kind of like you, but again you still seem to have a wider face than any of them probably. I don't know what you look like in person. I can only say from how you look to me in your photo. Maybe you think, nobody in India can look like you, which is fine if you think that.

[tk'es]

I think if it wasn't for the noticeable ASI admixture, these people would collectively fit good into the Caucasus. But how they are here they look like South shifted slightly admixed Caucasians. Some look fully Caucasian while in other the ASI is little noticeable. It's almost like the Indo-Iranic core of these people was Caspian&Caucasus like.



like a former banned kurdish forum member guti said it is a caucaso-iranic thing, our people are close to each other than to anyone else more than we think

[Human10101]

but still afghans have tons of AASI. they can be modeled as half Tamil

You honestly have nothing better to do than troll on a forum? Is your life honestly that sad, that spewing nonsense brings you joy?

[Demhat]

Which region are you talking about if you don't mind me asking ?

I don't want to give more informations as they are private.